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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: achillezzz on July 25, 2011, 02:56:29 am
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http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/health-care/8294-walnuts-are-drugs-says-fda
FDA = Bunch of nazis!!
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http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/health-care/8294-walnuts-are-drugs-says-fda
FDA = Bunch of nazis!!
Doesn't surprise me. The government is corrupt and nothing they do is in our favor. It's all for their gain.
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They are going real Mad at super fast rate I mean they promote "heart healthy" potato chips and take all the real food out of reach for health seeking people.... they ban supplements and already banned raw milk they pasteurize orange juice they are the devil
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It seems to me that its getting harder and harder to find real food anymore, and the FDA is doing nothing to address the actual threats to public health. In fact they are the ones authorizing the use of experimental chemical agents at the behest of the chemical companies that seem to dominate the food production industry.
Chemical companies in charge of the food supply is a blatant conflict of interest that will not be resolved in the foreseeable future.
Its horrible whats going on, corruption out in the open. Why doesn't the FDA begin an all out investigation on the revelations that GMO poisons are accumulating in people and in every animal study these substances cause serious problems.
The pesticides that are still being used today are proven to cause brain dysfunction in children who test positive for the chemical residues, and yet there are no further efforts being made to correct such atrocity. You hardly even hear it mentioned at all.
They are not doing their job, and instead the entire organization has been hijacked by special interest who don't even bother to investigate any relevant food issues, and instead propagate witch hunts against the few healthy and unadulterated foods that are left.
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How will I be able to smoke my walnuts without getting a bad rap now?
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They are going real Mad at super fast rate I mean they promote "heart healthy" potato chips and take all the real food out of reach for health seeking people.... they ban supplements and already banned raw milk they pasteurize orange juice they are the devil
I have to agree, they are the devil, undercover. Most people don't notice what the FDA is actually doing.
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http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/health-care/8294-walnuts-are-drugs-says-fda
FDA = Bunch of nazis!!
Why does it affect you so much when you live in Russia?
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The FDA does its best to make anything that helps to prevent or cure cancer illegal. There are hundreds. This I have watched. The cancer business is big bucks. I could make you a long list of the things that the FDA outlawed or are trying to outlaw that are simple, cost-effective, natural and easily obtainable things that affect cancer. If you claim that anything prevents cancer or makes the body better able to fight cancer it is the fastest way to get it outlawed. The hoaxes tend to stay and the things that are the most effective natural cures are gone after with the most vehemence - ESPECIALLY when the general public starts to recognize the effectiveness. It's one of my hobbies at this point thinking through cancer cures that can't be outlawed. There are some. Not many - but there are some. The FDA might be able to make all foods be pasteurized eventually and all herbs illegal and growing your own fruits and vegetables illegal - or at least Monsanto might make growing non-mutant stuff impossible. But there are a few things that I just can't imagine ever being illegal. Not many - but a few. The FDA is in bed with Monsanto and The American Cancer Society. It's just the way it is.
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The FDA does its best to make anything that helps to prevent or cure cancer illegal. There are hundreds. This I have watched. The cancer business is big bucks. I could make you a long list of the things that the FDA outlawed or are trying to outlaw that are simple, cost-effective, natural and easily obtainable things that affect cancer. If you claim that anything prevents cancer or makes the body better able to fight cancer it is the fastest way to get it outlawed. The hoaxes tend to stay and the things that are the most effective natural cures are gone after with the most vehemence - ESPECIALLY when the general public starts to recognize the effectiveness. It's one of my hobbies at this point thinking through cancer cures that can't be outlawed. There are some. Not many - but there are some. The FDA might be able to make all foods be pasteurized eventually and all herbs illegal and growing your own fruits and vegetables illegal - or at least Monsanto might make growing non-mutant stuff impossible. But there are a few things that I just can't imagine ever being illegal. Not many - but a few. The FDA is in bed with Monsanto and The American Cancer Society. It's just the way it is.
Please see if they can outlaw my cancer cure methods at http://www.myhealthblog.org/2011/03/20/is-there-a-cure-for-cancer-yes-everyone-can-do-this/
I'd want to make videos and e-books for in-their-faces to stop this cancer scam.
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The sad thing is that in the US they might very well be able to stop paleo except for people that can hunt and forage. It likely will get more and more difficult They have been quite successful at outlawing raw milk which then made Johanna Budwig's exceptional cure for cancer very difficult - to say the least - which seems crazy to me - so I can easily imagine raw meat being outlawed if it becomes something that people start to eat raw. The FDA told the man I met yesterday that raises his own grass-fed cows that he makes into hamburgers at his hamburger joint here in town that if he cooked a burger "rare" he had to get every customer who buys one to sign the receipt and then he had to keep that receipt for THREE YEARS or he can be closed down.
They outlawed many raw foods as a matter of fact. They might be successful at pasteurizing all eggs in the near future. They have made it almost impossible to get raw almonds and soon you might not be able to get any raw nuts. They made raw peach and apricot kernels illegal except to be sold for cosmetic use. Almost all fruits that are imported to this country are irradiated. They are now trying to pass laws where it will be illegal for you to save seeds from your own plants. They work at entrapping small farmers and any vendor. They set up sting operations to make examples of the small fries so others won't try. They went after an Amish farmer because one of his young daughters took some money for raw milk even though not one person ever got sick from that farm - if anything they were the spitting images of health - and they only had a small group of people coming to the farm for milk.
All it would take, I think, is for a large enough quantity of people claiming to be cured of cancer and never feeling better in their lives by eating raw meat and then one person (maybe even paid to say it) saying they felt sick from eating some raw meat - for suddenly no one in America to be able to buy raw meat in a store again. It could all be processed with some chemical or be flash-pasteurized.
Think about how hard it is to buy grass-fed animals or to get free-range eggs. The reason most Americans can't get raw milk is because if people were able to get it - soon the big dairy businesses would not be able to compete with the quality so the big businesses use their big bucks to squash the small guy any way they can. It happens constantly. What a fight there is here in Texas. And - the cattle industry is very strong here so if they think that natural grass-fed cattle is gong to steal the business from their feed-lots and the only way they can fight it is to make all meat toxic by law - you can bet they would use their MASSIVE power, connections, money and powerful lawyers to achieve that - quickly and easily.
Ok - so I'm a cynic - but I've been watching this whole thing for too long. I can't believe how fast our supply of decent food is being destroyed in front of my eyes. So even if a cure is based on being able to get decent food from a store...... I don't keep it as part of my list of cures that they can't outlaw. The small group of paleos are better off actually NOT being too mainstream, having gurus and big press or too many people realizing its power. Sad - so sad - but I think it's true. :'(
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Why does it affect you so much when you live in Russia?
I live in israel and one day I wanna live in the us!
and some countries follow the FDA way...
Raw milk is banned in israel its ilegall! why? because its how its in the US.....
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I live in israel and one day I wanna live in the us!
and some countries follow the FDA way...
Raw milk is banned in israel its ilegall! why? because its how its in the US.....
Maybe you need to wake up and change your mind about living in the US.
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The FDA is not, of itself, evil; it simply reflects the majority opinion in the US. Since the middle of the nineteenth century, medicine has been the national deity. and bacteria has been the arch-enemy. In a nation where the majority rules, we have only to look at the majority opinion to see why things are the way they are. It is not only so in the US.
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The FDA is not, of itself, evil; it simply reflects the majority opinion in the US. Since the middle of the nineteenth century, medicine has been the national deity. and bacteria has been the arch-enemy. In a nation where the majority rules, we have only to look at the majority opinion to see why things are the way they are. It is not only so in the US.
No majority votes on the actions of the FDA, they are a power-wielding bureaucracy, created by government fiat. Yes, the federal government fills its positions of power through a semi-democratic process (the tyranny of the majority). Yet, the root of the government system is based on politics (might makes right), not on voluntary association. This is obvious if you look at history and study the origins of Federal power: a small group of men got together and made a document, which they supposed was binding upon everyone both then, and everyone into the future, forever ("The Constitution"). But this is hardly a voluntary and free participatory system. There is no opting out, and to do what the "founders" did would be considered today illegal, probably a punishable offense. We are basically enslaved at birth by our political masters in the US.
See:
http://www.lysanderspooner.org/node/44
Of course, if by "no, of itself, evil" you are referring to the individuals that are part of the FDA, I agree. But they have their marching orders just like so many other government parasites.
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The FDA is not, of itself, evil; it simply reflects the majority opinion in the US.
But who gives the majority their opinion? They didn't come to it by themselves...
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I was just reading about the Wai Diet (I have so much to learn about RAF!). At the Wai World site it said that meat is now all irradiated. Is this true?
If it is true then what I predicted regarding paleo diets has already happened. Fruits grown anywhere except the US are irradiated (that much I have learned) and if all meat even if it is produced in the US is irradiated before shipping to the store, then it's already over.
I can still get non-irradiated meat and fruit from the Farmer's Market (at least I am assuming so) - but the FDA is even cracking down on that market. It is quite difficult for instance to get eggs that have not been refrigerated or washed at the market - and the market we have here is better than most places in the country. I can get grass-fed local meats - rarely unfrozen - but at least not pasteurized. Even this could change though because I cannot get raw milk or raw soft cheeses from the raw dairy farmer that comes to the market. -\
Children are sent to school to make them good citizens - which means not to think for themselves, ask too many questions, be in their bodies or challenge the status quo. This, combined with diet that deadens the mind, is what allows us to be so easily brain-washed and manipulated. Most of the time we are being manipulated because of greed and because we have been very well-trained to "eat" anything we are fed physically or intellectually.
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So true there Mag. Good post.
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From what I understand, irradiation only kills the bacteria in the meat, and does no other harm.
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From what I understand, irradiation only kills the bacteria in the meat, and does no other harm.
Sorry TD, but it's not at all my understanding. A typical answer from proponents of food irradiation is that "it's no more harmful than cooking". Well, we can agree on that statement! ;)
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It's ironic that the FDA is wasting time and money cracking down on Amish farmers and people growing gardens in their yards while the global economy plummets and gov't debt is massive. We may need farms and gardens now more than ever.
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It's ironic that the FDA is wasting time and money cracking down on Amish farmers and people growing gardens in their yards while the global economy plummets and gov't debt is massive. We may need farms and gardens now more than ever.
They aren't a business so why should they be interested in serving customers? The waste of time and money sums up all government activity.
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http://www.ftcldf.org/fda-true-colors-walls.htm
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Sorry TD, but it's not at all my understanding. A typical answer from proponents of food irradiation is that "it's no more harmful than cooking". Well, we can agree on that statement! ;)
It seems only an electronic method to kill bacteria. Any proof that it disrupts other processes?
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It seems only an electronic method to kill bacteria. Any proof that it disrupts other processes?
They use gamma rays, electron beams and x rays to irradiate food, raw meat ... Got that from cdc.gov. Also it kills all the microbes, e coli etc. Afaic x rays do not belong anywhere near anything that comes in contact with my body, and my body seriously needs aerobic bacteria to the point I am best off not eating anything treated.
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I thought bacteria quickly infest anything that has had bacteria removed from it.
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I thought bacteria quickly infest anything that has had bacteria removed from it.
Usually.
You could be right. Or .. maybe without the bacteria the irradiated food would get fungus, mutated bateria and viruses?
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There's a rather comprehensive article about food irradiation in Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_irradiation
In a nutshell, it plays havoc in the living matter by breaking organic molecules and damaging the DNA. The bacteria naturally present on the food are killed. Other kind of bacteria can replace them, but it may be prevented by enclosing the food in a tightly sealed package.
It’s a mode of sterilization equivalent to others such as pasteurization. Perhaps the damage done by those processes is not as great as a thorough cooking, but it’s similar. Killing bacteria means killing the cells as well, therefore the food is dead.
Selected excerpts:
Food irradiation acts by damaging the target organism's DNA beyond its ability to repair. Microorganisms can no longer proliferate and continue their malignant or pathogenic activities. Spoilage-causing microorganisms cannot continue their activities. Insects do not survive, or become incapable of reproduction. Plants cannot continue their natural ripening processes.[1]
The energy density per atomic transition of ionizing radiation is very high; it can break apart molecules and induce ionization, which is not achieved by mere heating. This is the reason for both new effects and new concerns. The treatment of solid food by ionizing radiation can provide an effect similar to heat pasteurization of liquids, such as milk. The use of the term "cold pasteurization" to describe irradiated foods is controversial, since pasteurization and irradiation are fundamentally different processes.
Food irradiation using cobalt-60 is the preferred method by most processors, because the deeper penetration enables administering treatment to entire industrial pallets or totes, reducing the need for material handling.[30] A pallet or tote is typically exposed for several minutes to hours depending on dose. Radioactive material must be monitored and carefully stored to shield workers and the environment from its gamma rays. During operation this is achieved by substantial concrete shields. With most designs the radioisotope can be lowered into a water-filled source storage pool to allow maintenance personnel to enter the radiation shield. In this mode the water in the pool absorbs the radiation. Other uncommonly used designs feature dry storage by providing movable shields that reduce radiation levels in areas of the irradiation chamber.
One variant of gamma irradiators keeps the cobalt-60 under water at all times and lowers the product to be irradiated under water in hermetic bells. No further shielding is required for such designs.
Concerns and objections include the possibility that food irradiation might do any of the following:
* Mask spoiled food
* Discourage strict adherence to good manufacturing practices
* Preferentially kill "good" bacteria and encourage growth of "bad" bacteria
* Devitalize and denature irradiated food
* Impair flavor
* Not destroy bacterial toxins already present
* Cause chemical changes that are harmful to the consumer
* Be unnecessary in today's food system[73]
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