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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Hot Topics => Topic started by: Dorothy on November 28, 2011, 08:13:11 am
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Sorry if this is a repeated subject but the search engine here needs all words to be 2 letters.
Cherimoya suggested vitamin D in another thread in which I posted links to detailed information on it, but I thought here I'd post a video that has the doctor who wrote the articles along with another video by a doctor too. These are short and to the point.
The Real Story on Vitamin D (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeg-5NDyJ84#)
Obesity And Vitamin D, What's The Connection? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwNPx_-m2eQ#ws)
Btw, different people produce more Vit. D for the same amount of time in the sun not only because of fat but genetics as well. But, if you are outside for 15 minutes in the sun people generally produce about 10,000 IU (if I remember that data point correctly). Not much to fear about toxicity me thinks with that kind of production being natural.
Hubbie didn't feel any results for a couple of weeks after starting 5,000 IU and this was with already taking 400 - 1000 daily for a long time before jumping it to 5,000 - so you might have to be patient if you are fighting a disease and want to see if vit D will help.
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In what form do members of this board take vitamin D?
I've heard of cod liver oil being a good source. Are there others?
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that first vid sounds sooo much like a selling talk. I do take vit d though and the same brand as shown in the beginning of the video(solgar). I really believe in vitamin d importance and noticed big improvements last winter. didn't take any this summer. Just started again.
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I don't believe in the need for vitamin D supplements, supplements are mostly useless and are often harmful being so artificial. I do anyway eat raw fish and raw shellfish from time to time which are both rich in vitamin D, so I am not worried.
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I posted a video somewhere else that explained why cod-liver oil is not a good source of vitamin D according to docs. Vitamin A interferes with it's absorption and cod liver oil is very high in vitamin A.
Of course the natural source is always better. The problem really is our unnatural lifestyles indoors working during the day. But unless people can quit their jobs or move to warm sunny places during the winter, there's not much choice. I'm hoping to get to a point in our work that when it warms up we can get outside in the middle of the day for 20 minutes. Hubbie has had great benefits from supplementation. I think it's the dose. He was taking 1,000 IU and it wasn't enough. It took 5,000 IU for weeks for it to build up to really beneficial levels.
The guy in the first video isn't selling anything. He's just a doctor that did research into the subject as far as I know. He wrote long articles that I posted elsewhere and this was a newsy interviewy kinda thing where they always make it sound like your selling things. Kind of annoying I know, but that's the director.
If anyone wants me to find the more detailed articles and post them here I'll do that. Most people rather have the short video version I suspect though.
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In what form do members of this board take vitamin D?
Now brand soft gel capsules, 5000 IU per capsule.
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Oh, yeah, brand. We got Jarrow 5,000 because it has extra virgin olive oil as the base. Badly processed with high heat, vegetable or possibly rancid oils we avoid like the plague.
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So what are some ways to get a healthy and high dose of vitamins A and D from wild sources? Is there a food source that secures 5,000 IU of vitamin A and D? Does FCLO provide that much for you Citrus High?
Also, Citrus High, do you use Green Pasture (http://www.greenpasture.org/) FCLO and FSLO?
I tried searching for a local source of FCLO and couldn't find one. I would prefer not to have to rely on a food product I have to order over the internet, but I don't know of other sources of vitamin A and D.
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Zeno, from what I understand the body can synthesize vitamin A from beta carotene and there are many vegetable sources of beta carotene including carrots and greens. Carrot juice gives a big hit of vitamin A and that's why the Gerson folks juice so much carrots as cancer is one of the outcomes of vitamin A deficiency (and vitamin D and C too).
Cod liver oil from what I understand is extremely high in vitamin A because liver is so high in vitamin A. You can just eat liver and you will get tons of it that way too.
They say that fish is high in vitamin D, but I think it would be hard to eat enough. The sun is really the best source. I'm interested in the tanning bed idea. There are tanning salons all over the place here.
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Supplements are neither raw nor palaeo. This topic belongs in the hot topics forum. Moved there now.
As far as vitamin D is concerned, the toxicity threshold is cited as being anywhere between 10,000 IU to 40,000 IU/day.
IMO, it's far better to eat raw seafood and other iodine-rich foods and expose as much skin as possible in the summer. The body needs only tiny trace amounts of the vitamin anyway.
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The body needs only tiny trace amounts of the vitamin anyway.
Is this also in your opinion or have you read this somewhere?
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Is this also in your opinion or have you read this somewhere?
Both.
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Vitamin D is made from cholesterol that has been exposed to UV rays under the skin. Perhaps the real problem with vitamin d deficiency begins with a cholesterol deficiency along with lack of sunshine. People have become so afraid of cholesterol that they don't realize how essential it is for optimal health.
There are also probiotic bacteria that live on the skin that produce other proto vitamin substances that allow for better absorbing of vitamin D through the skin. People who take antibiotics or over-wash with antibacterial agents will lose the ability to to make and absorb vitamin d from the sun.
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There are also probiotic bacteria that live on the skin that produce other proto vitamin substances that allow for better absorbing of vitamin D through the skin. People who take antibiotics or over-wash with antibacterial agents will lose the ability to to make and absorb vitamin d from the sun.
Intense! The implications are profound!
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There are also probiotic bacteria that live on the skin that produce other proto vitamin substances that allow for better absorbing of vitamin D through the skin. People who take antibiotics or over-wash with antibacterial agents will lose the ability to to make and absorb vitamin d from the sun.
Do you mean lose completely the ability to make vitamin D from the sun? Probably you mean reduced ability right? Losing the ability completely is a very big statement. Very interesting points about low cholesterol diets and washing! So much of what we have to do to keep healthy is just because we aren't living naturally.
Tyler - where did you read that we only need a tiny bit of vitamin d. I read that we make a LOT naturally when we are exposed to the sun. Why would we make so much when if we need so little?
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Do you mean lose completely the ability to make vitamin D from the sun? Probably you mean reduced ability right? Losing the ability completely is a very big statement. Very interesting points about low cholesterol diets and washing! So much of what we have to do to keep healthy is just because we aren't living naturally.
Tyler - where did you read that we only need a tiny bit of vitamin d. I read that we make a LOT naturally when we are exposed to the sun. Why would we make so much when if we need so little?
Perhaps we need to ingest so little precisely because it is assumed that we take in a little bit from the sun as well, for a little bit each year. Whatever the case, excess vitamin D is dangerous to one's health.
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Perhaps we need to ingest so little precisely because it is assumed that we take in a little bit from the sun as well, for a little bit each year. Whatever the case, excess vitamin D is dangerous to one's health.
Oh, I get it, you are referring to the recommendations for how much to get in the diet. I guess that's the point of the doc in the first video - that the recommendations are way too low with how little time modern people spend in the sun.
Taking too much, I would think, would be hard if you aren't out in the sun like most Westerners though (not usually paleos probably who are trying to live more naturally).
How much we need (from diet) also depends on how much fat we have in our bodies and (besides how much sun we get) apparently how much cholesterol we eat and make and how much we wash and if we've taken antibiotics. It's also dependent on the color of our skins. Lots of variables it seems.
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Both.
Really Ty? Can you point us to that source. Because I call BS. Vit D, for most of us in northern lats is just plain tough to to get. And it's used by sooooo many genes for so many functions. Thanks!
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Whatever the case, excess vitamin D is dangerous to one's health.
Yeah, meanwhile, I am improving my sleep quality, stopping teeth-grinding during sleep, reducing dental plaque, strengthening my teeth, controlling my dermatitis/dandruff, and improving my emotional calm....with vitamin D supplements.
I don't really trust supplements any more than you do....but it really works for me. I'd be happy to get it all from diet and sunbathing if I could get foods that had enough, and lived somewhere that had enough direct sunlight in the winter. I can't and I don't, though. That's why I supplement, because it controls so many symptoms.
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Maybe the excess is not as bad as A and E because D is not really a vitamin but a steroid (or more precisely steroid-like).
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Really Ty? Can you point us to that source. Because I call BS. Vit D, for most of us in northern lats is just plain tough to to get. And it's used by sooooo many genes for so many functions. Thanks!
First of all, unlike with some other substances, excess vitamin D can be quite serious, causing mental retardation in infants, for example:-
http://www.marmaramedicaljournal.org/text.php3?id=410 (http://www.marmaramedicaljournal.org/text.php3?id=410)
Another paper claims that only old people really need vitamin D supplementation, and even then it suggests that no more than 600 IU a day is necessary, and then only if old people don't expose their bodies to the sun or eatvtaimin D rich foods in their diet:-
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7879731 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7879731)
The pdf file version is more explanatory:-
"The recommended dietary allowance (RDA) for vitamin D is 5 !.Lg (200 IU) (40). It is likely, however, that without casual exposure to sunlight, the RDA for vitamin D is at least two to three times more, or
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Caveman didnt have any COD LIVER OIL nor the pdfs to read and see which foods to eat, yet he did just fine on his 1 or 2 meals a day diet, lots of sunshine exposure and vigorous exercise such as hunting!
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Animals ingest and manufacture vitamin D, too. Cod fish get vitamin D in their livers through the food chain. IIRC (from third grade science class), the sun is the source of energy, and all living things on earth either manufacture nutrients directly from the sun and earth, or ingest a food that has turned sun and earth into nutrients. As long as I am eating appropriate food, I can't help ingesting all the nutrients I need. My cave brain thinks this should be enough.
My cosmopolitan brain says, "Slow down! You do not need to fix everything overnight with supplements. In fact, sudden results indicate an opposite imbalance (pendulum swing). That does not mean that balance has been achieved. Stay on the right course and you will attain balance and be well."
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if you care about having proper D levels you need to get it elsewhere than food. period. which means year round full body sun, sunbeds or supplements, no question about it. Its physically impossible to get above even medically deficient levels through eating ANY amount of whole foods without regular sun exposure, tan beds or supplements. Vit D was meant to be absorbed almost entirely through sun and not food, so barring sun there is pretty much one way to look at this issue.
http://gizmodo.com/5823058/tanning-can-cause-cancer-but-not-tanning-could-cause-a-lot-worse (http://gizmodo.com/5823058/tanning-can-cause-cancer-but-not-tanning-could-cause-a-lot-worse)
here is a basic, easy to understand non-science article. There are plenty of scientific papers suggesting the same. ALL conclusively that you cannot absorb toxic amounts of D from the sun which can get in the 20,000 IU to 30,000 IU or more! daily. This is regulated by skin pigmentation to avoid toxic absorption. 1 kilo of the highest D seafood daily is 1/10 this amount.
As per usual, people arguing about what-should-happen-when, instead of measuring their actual intake/blood level/performance etc... This particularly making no sense, as even Inuits get year round sun exposure and consume tons of animal D and have evolved a specific and much different regulatory system for vid D than whites. Even this wild-food megadose and sun tends to work out to having moderate, not best levels - and that is mostly due to their high fat diet. For a modern person, anything short of daily sun, or massive sun in summer (Higher levels are needed for storing D in winter months) and sunny vacations its either low (or dangerously low) levels of D - which slows down a variety of vital process - or some other tactic.
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my vitamin d was extremely low just after last winter and was higher, but still quite low at the end of the summer. my doctor gave me a prescription for 50,000 IU once per week that i took for eight weeks, then got retested. my levels are now normal, not even high. i have been advised to remain on 2,000 IU daily, and i'm planning to do this.
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My wife was sick as a child. She had chronic recurring infections and wasn't thriving. She had a University of Kentucky hospital insurance plan and was seen by dozens of doctors and it wasn't until her pinkie fingers began to grow crooked and ridges formed on her teeth that one doctor finally diagnosed vitamin D deficiency. Then all he did about it was tell my mother in law to give her a multi vitamin without any other recommendation. This is a complete travesty, and one that I believe is currently ongoing for millions of young children as well as adults in the industrial world.
I have researched vitamin D roughly enough to be certain that there must be ways to insure one has a natural abundance of it, as well as all the other internally synthesized vitamin compounds. My wife thinks I am crazy and is always discouraging my scientific endeavors, but since there seems there is a good audience of like minded people here, I would like to present my million dollar discoveries, too. I was going to keep it all a secret and try to develop my treatments for profit $$$, but since I decided to raise a family on a working mans wage, I just won't be able to set up the lab animal experiments necessarily to get scientific validations.
SO, I have decided to offer my ideas to all, free of charge, (all modesty aside). Perhaps with the help and insight of others here, we can form a symposium that will lead to eventual discovery and establishment of real and effective treatments for the many problems that involve Vitamin D deficiency.
First one must look at the evolutionary history and understand the biology which makes it necessary for land vertebrates to need such large amounts of vitamin D to thrive. There are plenty of evidence that photosynthesis of vitamin D is absolutely necessary to produce enough vitamin D for numerous functions it is needed for.
There is no justification for trying to bypass the natural skin synthesis of vitamin D. So what if you work in doors or it's culturally unacceptable to spend so much time lying half naked in the sun; it is needed for optimal health. Artificial supplementation is not the boon that many people have been led to believe. Sure it will give you benefits and may normalize your levels and give temporary results, but I am skeptical of how ingesting supplemental vitamin D can give you the full spectrum, synergistic benefits of vitamin D generated in the skin and absorbed through the body as evolution intended. My new theory is that when vitamin D is ingested in large amounts it could even alter the bio feedback signals which regulate the bodies natural production of vitamin D , so that the body falsely believe that its supply is adequate so it shuts off its own production.
An alternative view of the body's surface is needed. Think about the inside of the gut and how so much press has been given to "gut ecology" and how bacterial flora and bodily enzymes form a bio film that protect the gut and alow for optimal digestive function. Then apply the same principal to the body's skin ecology. Our skin was designed by nature to live and thrive under certain environmental conditions. I hypothesize that the skin of Paleo man had a natural layer of bio film that was composed of dead skin, various strains of probiotic organisms and the substances they secreted, melanin.... etc, these substances covered the surface of the skin dissolved in a matrix of natural body oil, and constituted a vitamin rich protective layer that was evolved to cope with exposure to the elements.
Within that unadulterated bio matrix of Paleo Mans skin you will find all the elements needed for optimal vitamin D production. Not only that but this surface layer also protected ones skin from the damaging effects of the suns rays, and in fact exposure to natural sunlight strengthened and revitalized Paleo man by stimulating the production of Vitamin D as well as other hormones like serotonin. Even with limited exposure to the sun one can assume that even paleo man of northern latitudes was still able to produce enough Vitamin D to survive, and in arctic conditions I presume that the Eskimos ate enough sea animals and organ meats to not need as much vitamin D from the sun.
There are still many variables but the theory seems sound.
Understanding the nature of vitamin D and how it is produced will help one understand how easily that delicate balance can be disrupted by a number of factors. People of the modern world usually bath regularly and wash away much of that bio matrix that is necessary for the gestation of pre vitamin D compounds. They also cover themselves even when the weather is pleasant, out of modesty. There is also internal factors like diet and nutrition. If one does not get enough of cholesterol and other building blocks of the proto vitamins then it wont have the raw materials necessary for optimal vitamin synthesis.
Without the bio-matrix protecting ones skin combine with the lack of vital levels of cholesterol and animal fat, many people have lost their ability to develop healthy levels of melanin in order to protect themselves from the suns rays for long enough to begin to build up their Vitamin D levels.
That's where my million dollar Idea fits into it.
There must be a natural way build up ones ability to produce vitamin D, even from limited sun exposure. To restore the skins natural bio matrix, and the bodies levels of cholesterol and probiotic bacteria that work synergistically to produce optimal levels of many of the bodies endocrines and vitamins.
It may take some time to devise a complete regiment, but I am attempting to frame a basic outline that could possible be the cure for 90% of most non age related illness, even cancer.
To restore proper skin ecology I am sure that science could develop a type of natural lotion made with animal fat, cholesterol, with some clinically tested proto vitamin producing probiotic bacteria. (My million dollar idea)
Anyone want to invest in a paleo friendly vitamin D promoting skin salve?
Once properly salved up then you can begin the treatment with full body sun exposure (for as long as the individual can tolerate without burning).
For optimal results it will be necessary to custom fit each patient with a more paleoish diet, along with a regiment of moderate exercise, and a few other protocol.
I could write a book based on some of these simple steps that would be a blueprint for optimal health.
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Without the bio-matrix protecting ones skin combine with the lack of vital levels of cholesterol and animal fat, many people have lost their ability to develop healthy levels of melanin in order to protect themselves from the suns rays for long enough to begin to build up their Vitamin D levels.
the thing is, is that most people (even "raw paleo" people) will never change to getting the proper amount of sunshine daily. Its true that bathing after sun exposure is known to halt some D production but its more or less proven that bathing days after does next to nothing in terms of how that previous D was absorbed. It could be that sustained non-bathing has some additional bonus, but its clearly not necessary for people say - living in California - to get abundant D, so you are stretching somewhat above in terms of what is needed to get D from the sun. What you are saying could have other more dramatic health bonuses, then again there are legitimate criticisms against non bathing for modern people (removing toxins from the environment - or exiting internal stuff - contained in the skin)
Its true that many people (particularly those that refuse to supplement) will burn when there D is low and less so if they slowly build up their levels naturally or with supplements. Even Northern Caucasians, if they have already decent serum levels, shouldn't burn in the high sun - which you are right that extended exposure then is usually necessary for cultivating the most D. The Inuit did in fact get quite a bit of this D from the sun. Regular low sun (winter or non peak times) is still helpful, and of course traditional peoples of all locales got tons of that.
It sounds like your marketing idea (being a lotion that goes on the skin - which is usually seen as a no no) probably would be snubbed in the same way by most natural health people that would snub supplements, of course also repulsive to veg folks. If it worked and you could have it made cheaply with ingredients that were relatively unprocessed it could be something I could see the larger paleo community perhaps being into. Then again it sounds pretty expensive to cover ones body with such ingredients regularly. Soft-gels are like $10 a year and represent a very small amount of matter entering your body in contrast.
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How wonderful that you have put so much mind power into this issue Sabertooth! You've given some great food for thought.
What came to my mind when I read your idea was two things that I have read in other places: 1. The "average" person makes 10,000 IU of vit d in 15 minute mid-day full sun exposure - yet few do it. Your cream would necessitate changing the very activity that is the problem in the first place. Granted, it could make it so that even less time or days in the sun is needed and therefore be a help to some. 2. I read that there are a BILLION people in the west that are vitamin d deficient. Thems is lots of customers! But, the big issue is getting out in the middle of the day without much clothing which is hard enough at work, and then you are adding putting on a lotion. What people might be willing to do is put it on their face and arms so that they don't have to take off clothing and then wash it off when they go back into the building to work again (or not if it absorbs well, feels good and smells good). If you also prove that it is a moisturizer and will keep skin young and supple - that would be a really big boost to openness in our society. Your idea I think would be most popular with the non-paleo regular folk. Creams are popular in general, but not so much with paleos - except maybe this one if they understand that it is for when they must shower every day and so it's a compromise. Hint - make it one of the socially accepted smells like lavender etc. - but only from pure essential oils that are good for the skin.
I for one probably would buy it. I don't like sitting around basking - I like to move and work outside. When I am outside gardening even in the hottest summer weather I wear long light pants to protect from the large array of nasty bugs here. My getup all year round is long pants and a tank top or a tee shirt and only in the real cold part of the year a long-sleeve shirt. I would buy the cream to put on my arms to help them make more vitamin d while I am working outside or walking place to place since I simply do not get full body sun. In short, your cream could help people to get more out of their partial exposures. Makes me wonder about even New Yorkers walking around getting more than they could otherwise.
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Sabertooths salve may not be destined for mass production nor is its creator likely to get a noble prize in medicine, but it could be made in small batches and used among extreme health enthusiast. I stand by my belief that regular sun bathing can be extremely good for overall health, as long as its done responsibly. Optimizing the condition of the skins surface for optimal vitamin synthesis prior to sun bathing seems a reasonable idea.
Hypothetically( My product is made from.)
Sun dried egg yolks from highmeat fed chickens. Whipped with blended animal fat, and sabertooths very own skin shavings.
Who wouldn't want to cover themselves with that concoction?
The whole appeal of my product is that it replenishes some of the elements that promote vitamin D production and protect the skin, that are removed by regular bathing. City life is toxic, so bathing is nessisary for many people and we are often herded indoors and see very little sun each Day. My product could be used to help Normal people( in the alternative health community) maximize the benefits of what limited sun exposure they receive, and minimize whatever risk there may be with UV exposure.
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Hypothetically( My product is made from.)
Sun dried egg yolks from highmeat fed chickens. Whipped with blended animal fat, and sabertooths very own skin shavings.
Who wouldn't want to cover themselves with that concoction?
Well, I have egg yolks from my chickens (but they don't get high meat - just regular old fish and bugs) and I have suet that I'm a little mystified what to do with. The only thing I don't have is your skin shavings Sabertooth! Is that supposed to be for the bacteria?
Has anyone determined what bacteria is on the human skin when not showering that helps with vitamin D production?
I could add my own essential oils - but lavender I realized wouldn't be good since it is such a good bacteria fighter. Maybe vanilla or coconut oil!
I've never tried yolks and suet on the skin. Has anyone? What does it feel like? Mabye yolks and coconut oil would be another choice. Doesn't that fat and oil though block some of the sun's rays?
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how about just don't shower, use a skin brush instead..............
you do get this extra skin thing going on, i swear when i shower i feel sick and vulnerable(in city water at least) hot springs is amazing though:)
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Isn't Sabertooth talking about never showering and building his skin stuff over years? I do shower now and then - but not nearly as often as most. Baths and showers can be an almost spiritual cleansing experience for me when I really want one. Hot springs would be better of course, but I don't have a hot spring.
I love brushing my skin -- more than my hair! :o :)
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Well, I have egg yolks from my chickens (but they don't get high meat - just regular old fish and bugs) and I have suet that I'm a little mystified what to do with.
It's not the most interesting tasting stuff, but I find fresh grassfed suet to provide me with the most health and well-being benefits and best skin treatment I have ever tried (and I have tried many foods and skin treatments--yes, including EVCO, jojoba, etc.). I find that cocoa butter, which is another largely-saturated fat, works well on my skin too.
I also find that if I let the suet air out for a number of days and chew it extensively before swallowing it, that it maximizes the pleasure and provides a bit of a cinnamon flavor and the most well-being. The saying "chew the fat" doesn't exist for nothing. ;D
Interestingly, I find that mixing raw eggs with raw marrow and raw fermented honey also produces a mild cinnamon flavor.
I've never tried yolks and suet on the skin. Has anyone? What does it feel like? Mabye yolks and coconut oil would be another choice. Doesn't that fat and oil though block some of the sun's rays?
Absolutely. Raw grassfed suet is the best stuff on my skin that I've tried yet, and yolks are good too. The suet feels quite a bit like cocoa butter. I like how suet and cocoa butter absorb wonderfully into my skin and don't leave a greasy film like most commercial skin lotions. Suet and cocoa butter are my two favorite skin treatments so far, and I have tried many. It's not surprising, really, given that the human subcutaneous layer contains plenty of saturated fat.
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I also find that if I let the suet air out for a number of days and chew it extensively before swallowing it, that it maximizes the pleasure and provides a bit of a cinnamon flavor and the most well-being. The saying "chew the fat" doesn't exist for nothing. ;D
Interestingly, I find that mixing raw eggs with raw marrow and raw fermented honey also produces a mild cinnamon flavor.
The suet feels quite a bit like cocoa butter. I like how suet and cocoa butter absorb wonderfully into my skin and don't leave a greasy film like most commercial skin lotions.
Thanks for the tip about sitting out for a few days and chewing extensively on the suet. I'm going to try that - and especially about mixing the suet with marrow, egg yolks and honey. Sounds very yummy. If the cinnammon flavor isn't strong enough I just made the kick-ass cinnamon tincture that I can add a drop of to the mix. :D That sounds amazing.
Coconut oil doesn't seem to absorb well enough for me but maybe suet would be better. I'm going to try that for sure after my next shower. Thanks a big bunch Phil!
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mixing the suet with marrow, egg yolks and honey
I don't mix in suet with those others, as suet isn't soft enough. I tend to cut the suet into short, small strips, like I do when I have some raw cheese.
Coconut oil doesn't seem to absorb well enough for me but maybe suet would be better. I'm going to try that for sure after my next shower. Thanks a big bunch Phil!
One thing about suet is that it is a bit crumbly (although the wild deer suet I had was less crumbly) and a little sticky when first applying, but it seems to absorb even better than cocoa butter and produce slightly better results. I tend to use cocoa butter outside the house, and suet, cocoa butter or less-greasy-than-avg lotion inside the house. Suet is a convenient skin product in the house--when I'm eating it I can just rub some on me. Wouldn't do that in public, though. LOL
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Now I just have to eat raw suet and take some and rub it on me in public one day! :o
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I have a tiny question about Vitamin D and maybe someone can answer this:
It seems my skin needs a lot of day light to be healthier and more clear. So I was guessing I am lacking Vit. D. and started supplementing, which helps some, but when I spend the day outside my skin is even better.
I am wondering if I need more Vitamin D., or if my supplement is maybe not the most potent type, not absorbed right? I take 5000 IU a day.
I know from past test results that my vitamin D. level was always extremely low, so I want to add more Vit. D rich foods as well as supplement, but I am wondering "how much is too much"?..
What about Zinc oxide based Sunscreen? I use it sparingly since Sun can also cause damage and aging.
Staying out all day is really not an option, too hot in summer ( I am getting too tan ), too cold in winter. Long walks don't seem to be enough, as well as 20 mins. of outdoors breakfast without sunscreen.. tried that. -\
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Eating high-fat/low-carb seems to help with increasing the effectiveness of vitamin D. Try that.
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I have a tiny question about Vitamin D and maybe someone can answer this:
It seems my skin needs a lot of day light to be healthier and more clear. So I was guessing I am lacking Vit. D. and started supplementing, which helps some, but when I spend the day outside my skin is even better.
I am wondering if I need more Vitamin D., or if my supplement is maybe not the most potent type, not absorbed right? I take 5000 IU a day.
I know from past test results that my vitamin D. level was always extremely low, so I want to add more Vit. D rich foods as well as supplement, but I am wondering "how much is too much"?..
What about Zinc oxide based Sunscreen? I use it sparingly since Sun can also cause damage and aging.
Staying out all day is really not an option, too hot in summer ( I am getting too tan ), too cold in winter. Long walks don't seem to be enough, as well as 20 mins. of outdoors breakfast without sunscreen.. tried that. -\
My internet research taught me that we can't get much vit d from any kind from food although some people will disagree with that. I'm just going by what the number one researcher that I trust says. 15 minutes of sun in summer however can generate 15,000 IU of vit D. But if you aren't producing due to a physiological problem or can't get the sun then supplementation seems to be the best option. It's hard to overdose with vitamin D UNLESS you don't have enough magnesium. Learned that one the hard way with Brian. So if you are going to supplement make sure that you take magnesium too and that you eat some fat like Cheri said so that the D can be absorbed.
Most people with your skin tone won't have to spend the whole day outdoors - just a matter of minutes unless you have a biological impairment with producing or absorbing vitamin D.
Brian's allergies have been helped tremendously from vitamin D supplementation.
As far as skin health - I think there is more to sun than just vitamin D. But it is true that you would generate as much vitamin D as you need in the sun whereas your pill has a limit. That's the beauty of using the real sun instead of a supplement.... if you can.
I don't know about zinc oxide. I know that regular suntan lotion is a total catastrophe and should be avoided totally. Anyone know about using zinc oxide to prevent sun exposure and what effects it would have on the body?
Suiren - have you gotten your vitamin D tested since starting on 5000 IU?
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Eating high-fat/low-carb seems to help with increasing the effectiveness of vitamin D. Try that.
I am eating a higher amount of carbs for the weight gain and dealing with hypoglycemia. Both are big problems. I get most of my carbs from carrots, since these are readily available and affordable.
Dorothy
So 15 000 IU is not too much then huh? :o I have only seen supplements that provide up to 10 000 IU.
I have not gotten my vitamin D. tested in a while, but maybe I should...I "need" to see a doctor for a bunch of things but I don't feel like going (thyroid levels, pituitary tumor)
I read somewhere that people with thyroid conditions, specifically Hashimoto's can have a harder time producing Vitamin D. I don't have Hashimoto's anymore, just a few anti bodies left last time I was checked, but maybe it can still be hard for me to produce Vitamin D? It could take more time for me to heal.
As far as my skin color goes - it reacts different to sun than most would expect. I know light people tend to burn quickly and probably need less sun, but my skin won't burn unless I spend a long time in the direct sun, during a hot day. Instead it will very gradually get more and more yellow ( :P) and then develop a tan that can get not only get very dark (it looks horrible, like dark toast) but also lasts literally forever...I will still have last summers tan the next year.
If I "avoid" sun however, wear sun screen...I will stay pretty light with just a hint of yellow.
Not sure what causes this, and if it is just normal for me...
I try to make sure I don't get too much sun, since I have seen on people around me that it can also cause significant damage (a friend of mine has a very weird, blotchy, red and brown skin tone with little broken blood vessels, ONLY where the sun hits all the time, since she wears low cut shirts and spends a lot of time in the sun... :()
The zinc based sunscreen seemed good according to what I researched. It is a physical sun block, does not enter the first skin layers, does not need reapplication, does not have any chemicals that would cause an unnatural, deeper penetration of the substances into the skin. It also has aloe, coconut oil, olive oil...I liked all the ingredients and I use it as a moisturizer since my skin needs to be balanced a bit, at least right now (oily and dry)
I know the harm regular sun screens can do. :/
And true, there must be more to Sun than Vit. D. Is there maybe a thread about the sun and health already? It would be interesting to find out more and debunk that recent myth, that sun is just ALL bad.
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Eating high-fat/low-carb seems to help with increasing the effectiveness of vitamin D. Try that.
Especially away from grains and gluten etc. I think many people do well for a while making D in their skin.. eating a lot of fruit if they have enough of the other nutrients.
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Now I just have to eat raw suet and take some and rub it on me in public one day! :o
I ate a big plate full of primal diet's (raw slimy sticky smelly fermented) highmeat in public in my home town here in a bustling stripmall. Don't ask..but it all went very well. You can do it Dorothy!
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I don't think my hair's seen a brush since the late seventies.
I know a very little about dry skinbrushing. If using marrow or other RPF skin "cream" in the sun does it change the skinbrushing?
Isn't Sabertooth talking about never showering and building his skin stuff over years? I do shower now and then - but not nearly as often as most. Baths and showers can be an almost spiritual cleansing experience for me when I really want one. Hot springs would be better of course, but I don't have a hot spring.
I love brushing my skin -- more than my hair! :o :)
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Especially away from grains and gluten etc. I think many people do well for a while making D in their skin.. eating a lot of fruit if they have enough of the other nutrients.
Yes, no grains and gluten either, I get carbs from Paleo foods. Not all perfectly Raw Paleo but nothing too bad. :)
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What about Zinc oxide based Sunscreen? I use it sparingly since Sun can also cause damage and aging.
Hi Suiren,
I've been using Keys Solar RX for a number of years now. I suggest you check it out. I think it's the BEST Sunblock on the market! It's excellent for Problem Skin too! I use it everyday, rain or shine. It's excellent for the skin and it's ALL Natural.
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Suiren - the body ITSELF can make 15,000 IU in a short time in the sun - but that doesn't mean you should ever take a supplement that high! The body knows how much it needs. The problem with taking a pill is that it's not controlled by the body and you can overdose. Very rarely does anyone suggest more than 5,000 IU - especially without being tested regularly. Also, if there isn't enough magnesium you can make for real problems when the body doesn't have enough magnesium to work with that vit d supplement. That's why it's better to get out in the sun if you can and even then make sure you have enough magnesium.
When it comes to high fat - I think the trick is to make sure you eat some fat when you take your supplement. A little hunk of suet or an egg yolk is pretty convenient and easy for this.
Sounds like you have a unique skin-type. I wonder if it will change as you move forward with your raw paleo diet?
When it comes to suntan lotions besides perhaps the kind that Cheri posted (thanks for that link btw!) they have recently figured out that suntan lotions block the good rays that make vitamin d and let in the harmful rays. That's why skin cancer rates have soared since the advent of suntan lotions. l) Vitamin d deficiency has been linked to cancer in study after study.
For women I think that perhaps the best kind of sun protectant (if you are going to use one at all) for the face would be mineral makeup. It's just ground up rocks (the good brands that is) and it is a natural sun protectant. It can also be very purdy - as it's not like regular makeup. It kind of works it's way in with your natural oils changing to your skin color and adapting to your skin - even different areas of your skin.
For me, all I have to do is get myself into the sun every day increasing it just a little at a time. I'm not convinced that it will ruin skin if you are eating a good diet. It just feels too good to be as bad as they make it out to be. I'm also much more interested in the insides of my body than the outside. A lot of good having pretty skin will do me in a coffin because I don't have enough vitamin d! ;) I really am working on being a bit more vain - or maybe I should say - having basic self esteem/care. Part of the problem is that what I've been taught my whole life to be "taking care of myself" just feels bad. It's really nice that we are discussing healthier forms of self-care. I remember once when I was 100% raw putting on suntan lotion and feeling sick for three days after.
I finally went out and bought a suit for sun bathing but was just a little too late in the season to find a lounger to lay on. The chickens make it impossible to lay on the ground. ;) Still searching!
I would highly suggest keeping away from any suntan lotion you find in your regular store ESPECIALLY when you are breast feeding. I'm even concerned about the vitamin d supplementation when breast feeding. Have you looked into this Suiren? Is there some part of your body that you wouldn't mind exposing to the sun even if it did turn it yellow and dark? I know it sounds silly to go out into the sun with makeup on your face and other parts of your body and expose others - but you gotta work with what your reality is. When you get dark you need even more time in the sun of course. That's the big problem for dark-skinned people. They need much more sun to make the same amount of vit d as me. I'm very light-skinned and can burn very easily if I don't work my way up to a base tan slowly.
Good luck with your vitamin d Suiren. Please do keep me posted if you get your levels checked. It's probably a really good idea with the issues you have had - especially the pre-cancerous cells. You want to make sure your supplementation is working.
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I ate a big plate full of primal diet's (raw slimy sticky smelly fermented) highmeat in public in my home town here in a bustling stripmall. Don't ask..but it all went very well. You can do it Dorothy!
Ha ha - well if you can do THAT - what's a little suet? lol.
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I don't think my hair's seen a brush since the late seventies.
I know a very little about dry skinbrushing. If using marrow or other RPF skin "cream" in the sun does it change the skinbrushing?
My guess is that if the fats etc. that are placed on the body are fully absorbed - then it would not effect skin brushing. You wouldn't want to skin brush I would think right after applying a fat though.
You just brush towards your heart. That's what they say anyway. Feels real good.
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My internet research taught me that we can't get much vit d from any kind from food although some people will disagree with that.
There are some kinds of fatty fish that have a lot of vitamin D. That's about it, as far as I know, though.
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Raw Atlantic Herring provides the most vitamin D with 1628IU (1667% DV) per 100 gram serving. It is followed by Pickled Herring with 680IU (113% DV) per 100g serving .... Raw wild caught Eastern Oysters provide 320IU (80% DV) per 100 gram serving, 269IU (67% DV) in six medium oysters. http://www.healthaliciousness.com/articles/high-vitamin-D-foods.php (http://www.healthaliciousness.com/articles/high-vitamin-D-foods.php)
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The problem is that they are also so high in Vitamin A that the D is supposedly not able to be used according to what I read, so not to be depended upon as a vitamin D source.
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Suiren - the body ITSELF can make 15,000 IU in a short time in the sun - but that doesn't mean you should ever take a supplement that high! The body knows how much it needs. The problem with taking a pill is that it's not controlled by the body and you can overdose. Very rarely does anyone suggest more than 5,000 IU - especially without being tested regularly. Also, if there isn't enough magnesium you can make for real problems when the body doesn't have enough magnesium to work with that vit d supplement. That's why it's better to get out in the sun if you can and even then make sure you have enough magnesium.
Makes sense! My mistake! :o Can it just be regular magnesium from like a health food store? I know there is differences in potency for Zinc, so I wonder if it would be the same.
When it comes to high fat - I think the trick is to make sure you eat some fat when you take your supplement. A little hunk of suet or an egg yolk is pretty convenient and easy for this.
Will try that! I used to take it before bed time.
Sounds like you have a unique skin-type. I wonder if it will change as you move forward with your raw paleo diet?
Yes, I wonder about the changes too. Maybe it will absorb Vitamin D. better even?
Btw. I know of many eastern Asians like Japanese, that can be very light, but usually don't burn fast and just tan gradually.
My son seems to be a slow tanner too haha, but he is darker ;D
When it comes to suntan lotions besides perhaps the kind that Cheri posted (thanks for that link btw!) they have recently figured out that suntan lotions block the good rays that make vitamin d and let in the harmful rays. That's why skin cancer rates have soared since the advent of suntan lotions. l) Vitamin d deficiency has been linked to cancer in study after study.
Yes, those are the ones I was referring too. Unlike a physical sun block, that stays on the outside of the skin, these actually penetrate and cause a reaction that also creates carcinogens.
For women I think that perhaps the best kind of sun protectant (if you are going to use one at all) for the face would be mineral makeup. It's just ground up rocks (the good brands that is) and it is a natural sun protectant. It can also be very purdy - as it's not like regular makeup. It kind of works it's way in with your natural oils changing to your skin color and adapting to your skin - even different areas of your skin.
I have tested a few brands and it made me break out. I also was never able to make it look natural since my skin gets really dry from it despite moisturizer. So I ended up looking like a cookie :P.
I have heard many good things about it though and I like mineral eye shadow.
Which is the good brand you are speaking of?
For me, all I have to do is get myself into the sun every day increasing it just a little at a time. I'm not convinced that it will ruin skin if you are eating a good diet. It just feels too good to be as bad as they make it out to be. I'm also much more interested in the insides of my body than the outside. A lot of good having pretty skin will do me in a coffin because I don't have enough vitamin d! ;) I really am working on being a bit more vain - or maybe I should say - having basic self esteem/care. Part of the problem is that what I've been taught my whole life to be "taking care of myself" just feels bad. It's really nice that we are discussing healthier forms of self-care. I remember once when I was 100% raw putting on suntan lotion and feeling sick for three days after.
Yes, that is true! I love this healthy approach on looking good, and I hate how the beauty industry makes it seem like you just need product X to fix all your problems. Most products don't work.
I would highly suggest keeping away from any suntan lotion you find in your regular store ESPECIALLY when you are breast feeding. I'm even concerned about the vitamin d supplementation when breast feeding. Have you looked into this Suiren?
Pediatricians and (natural) mothering websites recommend adding Vitamin D. since we just can't get enough from our diet and the sun (nowadays). My body would give all the Vitamin D. to my son, so there would not be much left for me.
When I started supplementing I slowly increased the amount until my skin looked healthy again (before I had many small breakouts and inflammation from not enough Vitamin D., but only since he got older and my milks compositions changed to a more fatty one, I think he just needs more as he gets bigger.)
Is there some part of your body that you wouldn't mind exposing to the sun even if it did turn it yellow and dark? I know it sounds silly to go out into the sun with makeup on your face and other parts of your body and expose others - but you gotta work with what your reality is. When you get dark you need even more time in the sun of course. That's the big problem for dark-skinned people. They need much more sun to make the same amount of vit d as me. I'm very light-skinned and can burn very easily if I don't work my way up to a base tan slowly.
Most of the time, I only wear sun screen on my face ( and maybe neck or shoulders). I get out my umbrella if I have to be in the sun longer than feels comfortable for me. Like if I feel the burn of the sun, I think my body has had enough. I also read somewhere that a good indicator of when you need a break from the sun is the point where you would tan, since tanning is a defense mechanism of the skin. Not sure if that is true though, but I have kept it this way so I only have a very light tan always.
Good luck with your vitamin d Suiren. Please do keep me posted if you get your levels checked. It's probably a really good idea with the issues you have had - especially the pre-cancerous cells. You want to make sure your supplementation is working.
True that! Wouldn't want any more problems with it. :/
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Hi Suiren,
I've been using Keys Solar RX for a number of years now. I suggest you check it out. I think it's the BEST Sunblock on the market! It's excellent for Problem Skin too! I use it everyday, rain or shine. It's excellent for the skin and it's ALL Natural.
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It sounds good, I like the ingredients too. It is quite similar to the one I am using right now, although mine has more ingredients, mostly oils and extracts, but not chemicals. I searched far and wide for a good sun screen years ago.
I will take a look at the price of the keys moisturizer ;D sadly many of the better products can be pricey.
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Can it just be regular magnesium from like a health food store? I know there is differences in potency for Zinc, so I wonder if it would be the same.
Brian just gets citric magnesium in a low dose and keeps on increasing it until his stools start to get loose. Citric is supposed to be one of the better forms as to how the body uses it. You can google "what's the best form of magnesium" and get lots of info
Yes, I wonder about the changes too. Maybe it will absorb Vitamin D. better even?
Btw. I know of many eastern Asians like Japanese, that can be very light, but usually don't burn fast and just tan gradually.
I do bet that with the good raw fats and minerals it would get better. It's important not to shower after exposure to sun so that the d has time to be produced and absorbed. I forgot how long. Anyone remember?
Do you have some Asian heritage?
Yes, those are the ones I was referring to. Unlike a physical sun block, that stays on the outside of the skin, these actually penetrate and cause a reaction that also creates carcinogens.
Yep - those things feel like nasty chemicals going into the body through the skin to me.
I have tested a few brands and it made me break out. I also was never able to make it look natural since my skin gets really dry from it despite moisturizer. So I ended up looking like a cookie :P.
I have heard many good things about it though and I like mineral eye shadow. Which is the good brand you are speaking of?
Ha ha - Cookie Brand makeup. ;) I so rarely use it that I've only bought it a couple of times. The first time it was a brand new thing from a specialty catalog. Later - they became the rage and I bought one from a regular store and it was obviously filled with junk. The one I used to buy I couldn't find again. Only a few years ago I bought some from a local lady that would actually make it! I wonder if I will be able to find her again later either. It lasts forever and ever and doesn't go bad because it's just rocks. It very well could just be good for my skin type?
I hate how the beauty industry makes it seem like you just need product X to fix all your problems. Most products don't work.
I'd go even one step further and say that most products are really bad for you besides not working.
Pediatricians and (natural) mothering websites recommend adding Vitamin D. since we just can't get enough from our diet and the sun (nowadays). My body would give all the Vitamin D. to my son, so there would not be much left for me.
When I started supplementing I slowly increased the amount until my skin looked healthy again (before I had many small breakouts and inflammation from not enough Vitamin D., but only since he got older and my milks compositions changed to a more fatty one, I think he just needs more as he gets bigger.)
I guess they wouldn't be looking at the minutia of how vitamin d produced in the lab can have other elements - just about vitamin d in general. But, it's such an important hormone for you that any risks have to be outweighed by the importance of getting enough for both of you.
Most of the time, I only wear sun screen on my face ( and maybe neck or shoulders). I get out my umbrella if I have to be in the sun longer than feels comfortable for me. Like if I feel the burn of the sun, I think my body has had enough. I also read somewhere that a good indicator of when you need a break from the sun is the point where you would tan, since tanning is a defense mechanism of the skin. Not sure if that is true though, but I have kept it this way so I only have a very light tan always.
That does make a lot of sense - but for me that would mean that I could stay outside where I live for a whole 3 minutes before running back inside. ;) My skin type is designed for gleaning every bit of vitamin d I can from the Slavic skies - not for Texas! I want to be able to spend more time outside gardening - but without a good base tan it's dangerous here. A tan here for me is like insurance. I burn so darn easily without a slowly built base and I think burning is not such a good thing. I got a really bad burn last MARCH! I bet for me the downside of sometimes not getting quite enough because of a tan is better than the risk of burning whenever I go outside. My father was hospitalized for burns in New York (which is not exactly intense sun) after 15 minutes at the beach without protection. I take after him.
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I do bet that with the good raw fats and minerals it would get better. It's important not to shower after exposure to sun so that the d has time to be produced and absorbed. I forgot how long. Anyone remember?
Do you have some Asian heritage?
Oh, interesting...When wash day comes around I usually do it right in the morning or late at night. Not mid-day, so I think my Vitamin D never gets washed off ;D
And yes, I have Japanese heritage with some Ainu.
Ha ha - Cookie Brand makeup. ;) I so rarely use it that I've only bought it a couple of times. The first time it was a brand new thing from a specialty catalog. Later - they became the rage and I bought one from a regular store and it was obviously filled with junk. The one I used to buy I couldn't find again. Only a few years ago I bought some from a local lady that would actually make it! I wonder if I will be able to find her again later either. It lasts forever and ever and doesn't go bad because it's just rocks. It very well could just be good for my skin type?
My skin just tends to be flaky when I put something on it and foundation never went on well. I might have also used a not so natural brand of mineral make up? (Everyday minerals).
I'd go even one step further and say that most products are really bad for you besides not working.
>D I have been preaching that to my family for ages, but I would even go further and say that whoever is behind the chemicals it it, knows about the harm they cause and either does not care or wants it to be this way.
That does make a lot of sense - but for me that would mean that I could stay outside where I live for a whole 3 minutes before running back inside. ;) My skin type is designed for gleaning every bit of vitamin d I can from the Slavic skies - not for Texas! I want to be able to spend more time outside gardening - but without a good base tan it's dangerous here. A tan here for me is like insurance. I burn so darn easily without a slowly built base and I think burning is not such a good thing. I got a really bad burn last MARCH! I bet for me the downside of sometimes not getting quite enough because of a tan is better than the risk of burning whenever I go outside. My father was hospitalized for burns in New York (which is not exactly intense sun) after 15 minutes at the beach without protection. I take after him.
Oh yeah of course, it is different depending where you live. I have never been to Texas, but I had friends there and it must be VERY hot. I was more referring to Germany or the Mediterranean. In Germany, I don't have to worry about burning unless it gets very hot...further south I need to be more careful, and I found that New York can get pretty hot too. San Diego had the strongest sun and the most sun shine out of any places that I have ever seen. I was praying for rain all day :P
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This is a quote from Mercola:
"New evidence shows it takes up to 48 hours before you absorb the majority of the vitamin D that was generated by exposing your skin to the sun!
Therefore, if you shower with soap, you will simply wash away much of the vitamin D3 your skin generated, and decrease the benefits of your sun exposure. So to optimize your vitamin D level, you need to delay washing your body with soap for about two full days after sun exposure.
Now not many people are not going to bathe for two full days.
However you really only need to use soap underneath your arms and your groin area. , so this is not a major hygiene issue. You’ll just want to avoid soaping up the larger areas of your body that were exposed to the sun."
San Diego is freezing weather compared to here Suiren! We were actually thinking of moving there recently to move to a cooler place. ;)
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Lol! I thought San Diego was very dry and hot ;D
Shower and Soap...I have not used soap in ages, anywhere 8) and I shower less often than every two days. I never stank or sweat much before changing my diet even, but now it is just crazy...I guess I shower just to do it now :P
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I think the soap is worse but even the water removes - but since you don't shower all that much - no problems there!
For Cherimoya I think though who showers every day this might be part of the vitamin D absorption issue maybe?
Just thought it would be good to post. I sure didn't know that showering within 48 hours washed away the vitamin D!
I've discovered Suiren that weather is all relative!
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I think the soap is worse but even the water removes - but since you don't shower all that much - no problems there!
For Cherimoya I think though who showers every day this might be part of the vitamin D absorption issue maybe?
Just thought it would be good to post. I sure didn't know that showering within 48 hours washed away the vitamin D!
I've discovered Suiren that weather is all relative!
I shower about once or twice a month.
Yeah, I wish it was that simple. :)
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That was bad tracking on my part Cheri - I thought in another thread you had said you showered every day. I must have gotten you confused with someone else. Sorry about that. Yeah - that would have been nice and simple eh?
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That was bad tracking on my part Cheri - I thought in another thread you had said you showered every day. I must have gotten you confused with someone else. Sorry about that. Yeah - that would have been nice and simple eh?
Completely off-topic, I would go 2 or 3 months without showering when I was a raw fruitarian. Now I like to shower at least every month.
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I shower about once or twice a month.
I hope you bathe in-between!
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I hope you bathe in-between!
I don't need to. A lack of body odor is genetic in my family. My mother has no discernable body odor either.
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Does anyone here supplement with mega doses of vitamin D3? I have now brand soft gel caps, each cap containing 5000 IU. But 5000 IU seems like nothing compared to what the body can synthesise when exposed to sunlight in the summer months. I am considering experimenting with maybe 15000 to 25000 IU per day for a while, if I get no negative symptoms. Can anyone think of a particular reason why I should not supplement at this dosage? Is there anybody that would argue that a dosage higher than 25000 IU would be even better?
I am aware that mega doses of vitamin D (eg. 50,000 IU three times per week for a month, followed by a 2000 IU per day maintenance dosage) are commonly used by doctors to treat vitamin d deficiency; however, my query concerns people who are not vitamin d deficient.
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Does anyone here supplement with mega doses of vitamin D3? I have now brand soft gel caps, each cap containing 5000 IU. But 5000 IU seems like nothing compared to what the body can synthesise when exposed to sunlight in the summer months. I am considering experimenting with maybe 15000 to 25000 IU per day for a while, if I get no negative symptoms. Can anyone think of a particular reason why I should not supplement at this dosage? Is there anybody that would argue that a dosage higher than 25000 IU would be even better?
I am aware that mega doses of vitamin D (eg. 50,000 IU three times per week for a month, followed by a 2000 IU per day maintenance dosage) are commonly used by doctors to treat vitamin d deficiency; however, my query concerns people who are not vitamin d deficient.
I have done that in the past. You just have to see if it works for you or not. For me personally, as long as I'm eating some carbs/fruit daily, it's pretty much impossible to overdose on vitamin D. If I'm high-fat/low-carb, it's definitely possible to overdose.
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I have done that in the past. You just have to see if it works for you or not. For me personally, as long as I'm eating some carbs/fruit daily, it's pretty much impossible to overdose on vitamin D. If I'm high-fat/low-carb, it's definitely possible to overdose.
Thanks for the input. I am high fat/very low-carb, so I will keep an extra careful eye out for negative symptoms, and keep the dosage within reasonable limits.
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Thanks for the input. I am high fat/very low-carb, so I will keep an extra careful eye out for negative symptoms, and keep the dosage within reasonable limits.
One of the most common symptoms of vitamin D overdose is nausea. If you start to suddenly feel more nauseous than usual, back off for a week or so.
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I take a sublingual vit d supplement. i make it a point to take 6000 to 10 000 IU daily.
It's way too important of a vit according to many recent studies and i just cant get enough of it considering my current life style.
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More on Washing Away Vitamin D
www.vitamindcouncil.org/blog/washing-away-vitamin-d/ (http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/blog/washing-away-vitamin-d/)
Cold water bathing would be best for D, then warm, with all over body soaping worst.
I only use soap on my smelly parts that don't get sun. I now have an old water tank as a plunge pool to get cold therapy and a D safe wash. Still sunny here so sunbathing now making fresh D :-)
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Ive known about this for some time.
I grew up in a culture where children where bathed with soap and water every day, and parents made sure that they were covered head to toe with sunscreen if they were out in the sun.
What I do is put on coconut oil before going out into the sun, and then if I get dirty , just rinse most of my body off with plain water.
There must be ways of sealing in the vitamin D secretions for optimal absorption, although it may not be appealing to everyone.
Coconut oil is my personal favorite, but I wonder about using raw animal fat, or even raw egg yolks. Substances in egg yolk like cholesterol when exposed to sunlight convert into Vitamin D and other proto vitamine compounds which may be very beneficial.
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to shower once a month is completely disgusting. this is how diseases and sickness is spread.
Showering is soooo not paleo!
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Showering is soooo not paleo!
Not necessarily. I am sure that palaeo tribesmen would happily go under waterfalls or dip themselves in flowing streams all the time.
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I hear you TD, and agree that traditional bathing in naturally occurring streams and water holes is perfectly paleo.
My bathing bashing must be taken in the context as a response to the belligerent statement made by the pp.
Showering in the modern sense of the word with hot chlorinated water and astringent soapy substances is not very paleo-esque