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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: Fermenter Zym on May 15, 2012, 01:57:29 am
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Hello all,
The digestive pain I have been experiencing since beginning RP has been identified by my naturopath as gall-bladder pain. It seems that I simply cannot digest all the fats I am eating and/or perhaps I have gallstones. Does anyone have any suggestions to help this?
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whats your life like right now zym?
work, money, emotional etc.....stressors?
what is your diet like, a typical day?
get some digestive enzymes, solaray makes a good pancreatin that is not so expensive
are you eating refined fats like butters, oils etc?
can you come up with four small, simple and nourishing meals you can eat each day that have enough calories and are easy to digest and do those for two weeks?
are you taking any digestive bitters or herbs for the gallbladder? i would suggest oregon grape root tea as a drink during the day.
do you take any vitamin c or lecithin? a good and easy to digest fat that is also a source of lecithin is egg yolks.
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I don't know if this will work for you - but it erased my mother's gall stones and sludge completely. I watched it happen in sonograms and it was her only treatment. I gave her a mixture of tincture and essential oil of peppermint in water. Peppermint is usually very gentle for people, is a digestive and dissolves the cholesterol that makes gall stones.
All Jessica said is going to the cause rather than the symptom. Peppermint goes to the symptom - but better than just about anything else including the surgery that was in the planning. Just don't let the doctors remove that gall bladder! You need that.
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Liver flush. Duh.
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I second on the liver flush. What people don't realize is like, ok we have all been on good diets for maybe a few years? I don't know about you, but the first 22 years of my life i ate a ton of junk food, alcohol, bad fats, carbs, cheese, fried food, you name it. I think that eating great is a big help but sometimes our bodies need help getting the accumulated "gunk" out of our systems so the "GOOD" food/nutrition can work its magic. We are what we absorb, not what we we eat =) Gearing up for liver flush 4 next week.
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Liver flushes are more intense than peppermint - some people can't tolerate them well - but they work!
How did your first 3 go Joe? Did you reverse gall bladder disease? What was your experience?
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I second on the liver flush. What people don't realize is like, ok we have all been on good diets for maybe a few years? I don't know about you, but the first 22 years of my life i ate a ton of junk food, alcohol, bad fats, carbs, cheese, fried food, you name it. I think that eating great is a big help but sometimes our bodies need help getting the accumulated "gunk" out of our systems so the "GOOD" food/nutrition can work its magic. We are what we absorb, not what we we eat =) Gearing up for liver flush 4 next week.
Im exactly the same except 20 years worth instead of 22. None of the herbs tinctures and stuff did anything for me compared to the flushes. I hate using such drastic measures and every single aspect of the liver flush is so unpleasant that I hate to do it but it works well and I think if you are in a lot of pain you should do it. Any damage done would be negligible since your healing time go up whenever your gallbladder becomes more efficient and you will definitly be better than ever.
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Liver flushes are more intense than peppermint - some people can't tolerate them well - but they work!
How did your first 3 go Joe? Did you reverse gall bladder disease? What was your experience?
Have you had success with them too, Dorothy?
Im exactly the same except 20 years worth instead of 22. None of the herbs tinctures and stuff did anything for me compared to the flushes. I hate using such drastic measures and every single aspect of the liver flush is so unpleasant that I hate to do it but it works well and I think if you are in a lot of pain you should do it. Any damage done would be negligible since your healing time go up whenever your gallbladder becomes more efficient and you will definitly be better than ever.
I'm definitely considering it. I wanted to check with my naturopath first, though.
Do any of you know if gallbladder problems can cause pain on the left side of the body as well? I have pain on both sides on the front under the abdominal area as well as on both sides of my body so I'm curious if I am just having digestive issues from a lack of gut flora to digest raw meat.
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Fermenter - I've used milk thistle, dandelion and burdock in the past and that was I all the help I needed when I was more congested. Now I think of peppermint as so gentle and powerful that I feel no need at all to do an uncomfortable flush and my Mom was incapable of withstanding a liver flush. It was so impressive to watch the scans and the doctors mystified that I have that permanently in my minds eye when it comes to the gall bladder now. I also happen to LOVE my peppermint drinks and crave them. It's tincture with some food grade peppermint essential oil mixed in and squirted into a glass of water. But not everyone can deal with the cooling nature of peppermint.
The gall bladder meridian runs up and down both sides of the body - I mean really the SIDES - the outsides of the leg and the torso. Just thought I'd add that tidbit in for you.
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I think im gonna try to finish off my healing with herbs since I dont need to take time off to do that like with the flushes.
I think if you are able though you should just flush because it will get things going a lot faster either way.
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You know - I read GS's liver flush with egg yolks, oil and lemon and it sounded kind of like a nice breakfast. I eat those three ingredients separately and together often so thought it might be fun to try that flush with 2/3 of the mixture (since I only usually eat two egg yolks at time) to find out if my liver/gall bladder have anything left in them to flush. I like doing experiments like that At this point in the game I doubt it could do me much harm or be very difficult for me - but it will be interesting to see! I need some jump starting lately. Nothing is as important as that good old liver, pancreas, gall bladder thang working right. It's how we get rid of toxins.
Troll - did it knock you out for days or something?
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The egg yolk liver flush wasnt too pleasant either in my opinion. I didnt need any recovery time for that.
the other liver flushes didnt knock me out but the forceful nature of it takes a lot out of you. Theres a lot of nausea involved whenever I do it that takes about a day after im done to go away.
The egg yolk flush did nothing for me compared to the other flushes. It just wasnt strong enough for me. My liver was probably really messed up.
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What were the flushes that you did troll? Did you do coffee enemas?
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i did this one once, and it worked the best
Liver Cleanse Recipe by The Liver Flush Man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5s1g4ZtH5Y#)
i also did the hulda clark one about 5 times and that worked great but not as well. I think the coffee and niacin isnt as bad as the epsom. the epsom is one of the worst things iv ever consumed next to the olive oil lemon juice mix.
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Oh my!
The part I couldn't do is the coffee. I remember ages ago I tried a coffee enema and it made me wired! I've been totally off coffee and caffeine too long to go putting that stuff up my butt. I have to admit though that I'm enough of an addict that if the only way I could get a cup of coffee is that way - it's still tempting. ;)
I'm not having any problems so something as extreme as enemas is not warranted - but I understand the logic of why they should work.
I had three egg yolks for breakfast today. I think I'm going to try the simple egg, lemon and oil breakfast dish first. Hey - that's kind of like having lemon mayonnaise for breakfast. hee hee.
Do you know what the purpose of the different elements are? Why lemon and why oil in all the cleanses? The niacin sounds like a really good precaution.
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Im pretty sure there are different liver flushes but what liver flush are you guys speaking of?Ingredients?
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The one in the video above.
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ok,just saw it,thanks
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I use grapefruit in my liver flushes. They taste pretty good. I actually look forward to the oil/citrus mixture after eating nothing all day and those amazingly tasty epsom salt water drinks =)
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Do these flushes have to be so extreme in amounts? I guess I don't really understand the process. I mean - this morning I had three egg yolks in my soup mix in which there was a little lemon and olive oil. Would less lemon and oil still do a little cleansing - or is the whole point to make it extreme in order for it to work at all?
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I use grapefruit in my liver flushes. They taste pretty good. I actually look forward to the oil/citrus mixture after eating nothing all day and those amazingly tasty epsom salt water drinks =)
this has to be a joke, you are talking about the top 2 most vile things I have ever tasted. I cant believe this
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Do these flushes have to be so extreme in amounts? I guess I don't really understand the process. I mean - this morning I had three egg yolks in my soup mix in which there was a little lemon and olive oil. Would less lemon and oil still do a little cleansing - or is the whole point to make it extreme in order for it to work at all?
i think they do have to be so extreme, the point of a flush is that it forces things out with the force of the flush. You need a large amount of the liquid with which youre flushing in order to create the force in the flush. Think about a toilet flushing without all that water, you need a lot of water for the flush to do its work.
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Too bad.
Do these flushes even work without the coffee enemas ya think?
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yeah, if you use epsom salts, but I think thats way worse.
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Haha, troll what can i say.
Dorothy, yea i think its the extreme factor. Basically its no fat the whole day. Then you dump a huge amount of fat/citrus into the system all at once and your liver goes WOAH and shoots out real strong. I have done both flushes and coffee enemas. I think the enemas work in mild cases and i plan on doing those in the future for maintenance, but i don't think they will get the liver moving if you have really blocked up liver.
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From AV: GALLSTONES are deposits of crystallized resins and minerals, the same as kidney stones but combined with bile in the gall bladder.
Along with the suggestions for Kidney Stones, see page 282, eating foods containing a lot of minerals, that is, fresh raw vegetable juices, raw eggs, raw milk (preferably fullfat), raw plain kefir, tomatoes, melons, nosaltadded raw cheeses and fresh raw fish, especially raw oysters and clams with raw fat soothes the condition. Drinking 2 ounces of fresh raw beet juice mixed in other vegetable juices and eaten with nosaltadded raw cheese once daily speeds the process. A raw milk eggnog made by blending 2 raw eggs, 1?2 cup raw milk and 1?4 banana (nutmeg isn’t necessary) works just a little bit slower but sometimes is more soothing.
Source: http://www.wewant2live.com/2012/03/29/index-wwtl-draft/ (http://www.wewant2live.com/2012/03/29/index-wwtl-draft/)
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KIDNEY STONES are crystallized cooked vegetablefat resins and crystallized hydrogenated fats and oils, and mineral salts that collect and form into clusters and clumps in the kidneys. I have had many kidney stones analyzed. Most were composed of food additives such as flavor and fragrance oils. Many were composed of crystallized oils from syrups and candies.
Most stones are formed during sleep. Kidney stones cause pain originating in the middle back that reaches around to the lower abdominal area, increased urination that sometimes contains blood or pus, sometimes sharp pains in the kidneys, and nausea and vomiting.
Two to three hours before sleep, abstaining from solid food and drinking a mixture of 1 cup warm raw milk with 4 tablespoons raw cream and 2 tablespoons unheated honey relaxes kidneys during sleep. Drinking a blended mixture of 1?2 cup raw unripe pineapple, 1 tablespoon raw unpasteurized apple cider vinegar, 3 tablespoons fresh raw lemon juice and 4-6 tablespoons raw coconut cream helps gradually dissolves kidney stones. Or 6-8 tablespoons of fresh raw lemon or lime juice mixed with 6 tablespoons fresh raw beet juice, 2 ounces fresh raw carrot juice and 4-6 tablespoons raw coconut cream 2-3 hours before sleep gradually dissolves kidney stones. Eating at least 1/2 cup of raw fat (for instance, avocado or unsalted raw butter) daily usually prevents large kidney stones.
When stones are being dissolved, there may be some discomfort. Drinking plenty of raw milk to which you have added 4-6 tablespoons raw cream and 2 tablespoons unheated honey per 28 ounces of raw milk, and staying in bed for 1-2 days allows the body to use all of its accessible nutrients and energies for dissolving stones, making the process easier.
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Hmmmm - a different take than the medical explanation... but ok....
Hey, whatever actually works, works - whatever definition you use I guess.
Be careful with beet juice - that can make the liver detox so fast it can make your head spin like in the Exorcist - I mean really it.... Go slow with that stuff with a clogged up liver. Do a little first and see what happens.
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Hmmmm - a different take than the medical explanation... but ok....
Hey, whatever actually works, works - whatever definition you use I guess.
Be careful with beet juice - that can make the liver detox so fast it can make your head spin like in the Exorcist - I mean really it.... Go slow with that stuff with a clogged up liver. Do a little first and see what happens.
Yeah, I'm not planning on really doing anything he says lol, but just thought I should share it. I have heard from another source that I trust (that source being Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride) that green juices help dissolve gallstones.
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celery juice mixed with a bit of water always settled my stomach.