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Raw Paleo Diet to Suit You => Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach => Topic started by: Poncho on January 11, 2013, 01:20:49 am
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So I just started raw a few days ago. Ive been having raw eggs every morning, they make me feel so good. Well, made? This morning I had my raw eggs, I stopped at 2 instead of 3 this time, just because I thought it would be smart for some reason. I started getting increasingly more and more nauseas soon after. I had to lie down, I was lying there and it eased it a little. Then I felt like I was going to throw up, this surprised me. (I never throw up). I went to the washroom, threw up over and over. Now I feel good. My boyfriend had the same eggs, hes fine. Theyre organic and free range. What do I do now? Do I have to fear raw eggs now?
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If you fill too much gas in your car's tank, it will overflow. ;)
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It was empty though! I just had 2 eggs! Normally 3. Im really freaked out here
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When I ate nothing but raw eggs for weeks/months on end, I got a gag reflex eating them after a while. I take that as my body getting sick of eggs, and wanting something else.
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Its been literally just days of having eggs just in the morning and other raw meats for my second meal. I also have vegetables and minimal fruit.
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It's peculiar. I have no real explanation.
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Possibly some kind of detoxification symptom? Before I started this, I was eating so much candy everyday, all day. Chocolate bars especially. Desserts. Lots of unhealthy starches. The cravings Ive been getting have been completely outrageous. Id sit up in bed imagining every detail of a a cake, then a cheeseburger, and then Id find myself planning the quickest way to obtain these things. But I never gave in.
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Possibly some kind of detoxification symptom? Before I started this, I was eating so much candy everyday, all day. Chocolate bars especially. Desserts. Lots of unhealthy starches. The cravings Ive been getting have been completely outrageous. Id sit up in bed imagining every detail of a a cake, then a cheeseburger, and then Id find myself planning the quickest way to obtain these things. But I never gave in.
Sounds normal. There's a lot of changes going on in your body.
You're replacing cooked nutrients with raw nutrients. The microbes in your digestive tract are changing. Those cravings are normal. If they become to much for you, usually a cooked piece of meat with no additives will help. I recommend just getting through it though, and not going for cooked food.
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It was empty though! I just had 2 eggs! Normally 3. Im really freaked out here
Yes, but you said you ate 3 eggs every morning during several days before. You filled your body needs for eggs in a few days, probably having eaten enough eggs for a while.
There might be other explanations, but this one is the first to consider. You seem to have somehow unconsciously felt that you had eaten enough of them because you stopped after 2, and then tried to rationalize a feeling that you didn't want to consciously accept.
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Possibly some kind of detoxification symptom? Before I started this, I was eating so much candy everyday, all day. Chocolate bars especially. Desserts. Lots of unhealthy starches. The cravings Ive been getting have been completely outrageous. Id sit up in bed imagining every detail of a a cake, then a cheeseburger, and then Id find myself planning the quickest way to obtain these things. But I never gave in.
For God's shake, eat some sweet, delicious fruits then. Otherwise you'll sooner or later fallback into cooked food again.
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I ate one piece of candied salmon, fresh and local, that completely satisfied me. I realized that it was too much stress on my body to not give in to anything. The fruit just wasnt cutting it.
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raw egg white would make me throw up for sure. you might have just irritated your gallbladder after all those eggs. although not in a bad way, in a cleansing way, egg yolks are super good for the gallbladder, but too much could force it into hyperactivity, gallbladder issues make me sneeze and then feel like vomiting! also they have a lot of sulphur compounds that are easy to overload. in my instinctive mind i always go for grapefruit when things are too heavy and i want sweet, and can only eat less then a forth but it does the trick
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okay, thank you! fruit doesnt do it for me haha. I have always had such a sweet tooth, and never much cared for salty savoury things when I was craving. So, it was a shock to me that my strongest cravings are for the meaty salty things. I can just wait out my sugar cravings easily. I cant deny the savoury yet.
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Yes, but you said you ate 3 eggs every morning during several days before. You filled your body needs for eggs in a few days, probably having eaten enough eggs for a while.
There might be other explanations, but this one is the first to consider. You seem to have somehow unconsciously felt that you had eaten enough of them because you stopped after 2, and then tried to rationalize a feeling that you didn't want to consciously accept.
This sounds the most likely to me.
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damn it haha I missed that post! I hadnt seen it. Yes it sounds likely for sure. Ill lay off the eggs and see if I do better
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I eat raw eggs nearly every day without any gag reflex unless I leave broken eggs sitting around for too long and they get warm and slightly off-tasting. When I do get a gag reflex it doesn't trouble me in the slightest. If I continue to get it from strong-tasting eggs, I sometimes cook them lightly to get rid of the strong taste, rather than throw them out. YMMV
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It wasnt my gag reflex, I had to induce vomiting because the nausea got outrageous. It was VERY easy to do, so Im assuming I would have thrown up anyways soon after.
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I've never experienced it [to that extent] from eggs, but I did after consuming other foods: expeller-pressed coconut oil, raw coconut, and some fermented cod liver oil that tasted like it had gone bad (though there was another potential culprit food at the time). I still eat these foods (except for eating centrifuged coconut oil, which is less heated and less prone to cause nausea, instead of expeller-pressed). The way I thought about the fish oil was along the lines of "Cool! It looks like I may have consumed some seriously tainted fish oil and survived with just a bad bought of vomiting, and feel good again soon after. I wonder how much bad bacteria was in it and how much I can tolerate these days?" Regarding those and other coconut foods, I kept at it and found types and amounts I could tolerate and have gradually increased my tolerance for coconut fat.
Sometimes I do get tired of eggs and don't eat them until I feel like it again. One time I forced myself to eat some anyway, as I was in a bit of a rush, and not only got a gag reflex, but a bit of nausea and partial-upchuck, but it soon passed and I avoided eggs for a day or two, I think, with no probs when I started eating them again.
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I've never experienced that from eggs, but I did after consuming other foods: expeller-pressed coconut oil, raw coconut, and some fermented cod liver oil that tasted like it had gone bad (though there was another potential culprit food at the time). I still eat these foods (except for eating centrifuged coconut oil, which is less heated and less prone to cause nausea, instead of expeller-pressed). The way I thought about the fish oil was along the lines of "Cool! It looks like I may have consumed some seriously tainted fish oil and survived with just a bad bought of vomiting, and feel good again soon after. I wonder how much bad bacteria was in it and how much I can tolerate these days?" Regarding those and other coconut foods, I kept at it and found types and amounts I could tolerate and have gradually increased my tolerance for coconut fat.
It sounds to me like you can't tolerate heated and/or rancid fats. Fish oil is (I think) always heated. In fact, from my understanding. It used to be a waste product of making canned tuna that someone decided they'd capitalize on and make a supplement. I believe the same is true for whey from yogurt making.
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It was Green Pastures Blue Ice raw fermented cod liver oil (which is centrifuged, to minimize heat, though there's likely still a small amount of heat involved, if you're a super-purist), and I've never had a problem with it since. You can read about it here: http://www.westonaprice.org/cod-liver-oil/update-on-cod-liver-oil-manufacture (http://www.westonaprice.org/cod-liver-oil/update-on-cod-liver-oil-manufacture)
I've been consuming raw CLO long enough now that I like the unflavored raw CLO/raw butter oil combination, which would have tasted really bad to me years ago.
I've even seen a whey powder advertised as raw, though I didn't investigate it thoroughly, as I wasn't much interested in buying it.
As for alleged potential harm from "rancid" fish oils, check out this:Some Things Fishy: Oxidized Fish Oil Totally Benign!? Plus: The Inflammatory Side of EPA and Peroxide & Alkenal Levels in Commercial Fish and Vegetable Oils.
by German physicist Adel Moussa
http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2011/12/some-things-fishy-oxidized-fish-oil.html (http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2011/12/some-things-fishy-oxidized-fish-oil.html)
"The ingestion of 8g of oxidized [aka "rancid"] (peroxide value: 18mEq/kg; ansidine value: 9) fish oil (1.6g EPA+DHA) did not have any unfavorable short term-effects in previously healthy individuals."
And that's likely a heated fish oil they're talking about. :o
I've only noticed improvements in raw foods that are fermented (not nearly as much with heated fermented foods). The combination of raw and fermented seems to be almost magical. Many of the world's reputedly healthiest foods are raw fermented (and often people aren't even aware that they are raw fermented).
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Yes, but you said you ate 3 eggs every morning during several days before. You filled your body needs for eggs in a few days, probably having eaten enough eggs for a while.
There might be other explanations, but this one is the first to consider. You seem to have somehow unconsciously felt that you had eaten enough of them because you stopped after 2, and then tried to rationalize a feeling that you didn't want to consciously accept.
I started out with raw eggs too, and the exact same thing happened to me as well after some time. I didn't throw up, but felt a bit sick. I just backed off on the eggs, my instincts just told me I was sorta done with them now. This was after like 3 eggs, every morning for months. From time to time I'll eat lightly cooked eggs now (and still give them to my ferrets on occasion, who love the shit out of them).
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haha so no eggs? They make me feel so good though. Well.
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You'd better separate the white and the yolk anyway, to check every time if you need the yolk, the white or both. One may eat for example 6 yolks and 2 whites — or no whites at all.
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I guess my instincts told me that I still need eggs because I've since had no problems with them and I feel great when eating plenty.
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So I just started raw a few days ago. Ive been having raw eggs every morning, they make me feel so good. Well, made? This morning I had my raw eggs, I stopped at 2 instead of 3 this time, just because I thought it would be smart for some reason. I started getting increasingly more and more nauseas soon after. I had to lie down, I was lying there and it eased it a little. Then I felt like I was going to throw up, this surprised me. (I never throw up). I went to the washroom, threw up over and over. Now I feel good. My boyfriend had the same eggs, hes fine. Theyre organic and free range. What do I do now? Do I have to fear raw eggs now?
My guess is after many mornings of raw eggs, you finally were able to flush your liver and your liver may have dumped some old poisons in your stomach. This is why you felt really bad and threw up.
I do not know your health history enough.
But I have an egg yolk liver flush protocol so you might understand what I think may have happened.
http://www.curemanual.com/detox-protocols-and-treatments/liver-gall-bladder-flush/edwins-egg-yolk-liver-flushing/ (http://www.curemanual.com/detox-protocols-and-treatments/liver-gall-bladder-flush/edwins-egg-yolk-liver-flushing/)
IF liver flushing was the case, I suggest you eat an apple or a few apples a day to continue with your liver cleansing.
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Who knows really, but looks like you're in Canada, have to wonder about the eggs you get in the first place. Free range in the winter in canada? They're eating corn and soy. And the free range may be inside a wharehouse.. But then maybe the eggs are imported from a warmer place. One way to tell is how orange are they? If they are only a light yellow, they are merely corn and soy transformed into egg.
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Hmm okay maybe its the egg whites? I noticed that since the third day eating eggs, I stopped finishing the whites each time. Id just toss the remainder down the sink after taking a big gulp that included the yolk. Ill check out that site, thanks
Also, the eggs are extremely orange. Much more orange than Im used to. Some brands are even more orange than that here, should I go for those?
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I didn't mention the quality of the eggs because it's already been discussed several times. Yes, it's a big problem, so much that I finally put up my own poultry.
I don't think the color of the yolks is a sufficiently reliable indicator. It may be ok at the beginning to eat a few "organic" and "free range" raw eggs, but if you like them to the point of regularly eating many and once you're into completely raw nutrition, you'd better find totally suitable eggs from birds receiving no wheat, no hot dried grain and no cooked leftovers. I give some raw soaked oats and millet every evening to mine. Other cereals than wheat are acceptable in reasonable amount because birds are grain-eaters, unlike cattle.
Sorry GS, I don't understand this "liver flushing" thing... I can't believe that we could "flush" our organs!
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I guess Im getting chickens again. No problem there, I really do love them haha. Raccoons ate my last ones. Snatched them up in broad daylight. I was furious
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Who knows really, but looks like you're in Canada, have to wonder about the eggs you get in the first place. Free range in the winter in canada? They're eating corn and soy. And the free range may be inside a wharehouse.. But then maybe the eggs are imported from a warmer place. One way to tell is how orange are they? If they are only a light yellow, they are merely corn and soy transformed into egg.
Canada is a country of many climates. I left Ontario -15 Celsius and am in BC @ 5 degrees C. Free range does not mean they are out roaming on the range where the deer and the antelope play ;D no matter where you live. All chickens are raised in some sort of coop which may be a section of backyard or an eggmobile. All free range means is that there is a door on the coop, which may never be used. Chickens are by their very nature 'chicken'. That translates into not being brave enough to leave the coop, unless one learns bravery and then they all have that quality of going outside. Chickens are descended from Africa so they are made for a warm climate, but have adapted. When you buy any food you are at the mercy of farmers and so it is hard to know what they are fed, unless you grow them yourselves.
Poncho you have the right idea, grow your own.
All chickens have been bred to do what nature never intended to do which is to continuously produce eggs.
I used to eat a lot of eggs but now I just have one when the spirit strikes.
I just poke a couple of holes in with a pin and suck it all out. Somehow they taste better and go down very nicely. I cannot eat them if the egg is broken and it is put into a bowl. I also avoid eating more than one at a time.
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What! Im in BC too haha. Just visiting. The fish here is making me feel amazing, so I think Ill stick with it until I feel I should stop for a bit. I dont live here right so I cant raise my chickens yet.
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Chickens are descended from Africa so they are made for a warm climate, but have adapted.
Err, no, chickens originally are descended from jungle fowl in South East Asia:-
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/9432623/All-chickens-descend-from-south-east-Asia.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/9432623/All-chickens-descend-from-south-east-Asia.html)
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Both places are warm though, right? So same idea. Jungle chickens sound more hardcore though
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Sorry GS, I don't understand this "liver flushing" thing... I can't believe that we could "flush" our organs!
The raw paleo diet norm is organ cleansing be done via diet... gradually.
But for non raw paleos, and those dying of critical illnesses, we healers do this all the time. Clean out colon, kidneys, livers.
And it just so happens that raw fats, citrus and apples are the keys to cleaning livers.
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It's rarely discussed, but raw egg whites contain rather valuable rare nutrients. AFAIK, raw egg whites are the only easily-obtainable single food that contains all three glutathione precursors: glutamyl, cysteine and glycine. The glutamyl and cysteine are in the form of glutamyl-cysteine, a rare nutrient found in the beta-lactoglobulin and serum albumin of egg whites (and the whey portion of raw dairy). Glycine is pretty common, but perhaps eating it together with the glutamyl-cysteine better enables glutathione production.
When people talk about egg whites, most focus on avidin (reduced in fertilized eggs and more than offset by the biotin in a diet rich in biotin-rich foods like chicken liver, pastured yolks, beef liver, animal skin/gelatin, berries, leafy greens and other Paleo foods) and salmonella (overhyped hysteria) instead of glutathione precursors.
"Aajonus Vonderplanitz, a strong proponent of raw eggs, credits, in part, a diet rich in raw eggs to saving his life."
Sources:
> Raw Eggs and Glutathione, http://www.amazing-glutathione.com/raw-eggs.html (http://www.amazing-glutathione.com/raw-eggs.html;)
> The Biochemical Magic of Raw Milk and Other Raw Foods: Glutathione by Chris Masterjohn http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/2010/09/11/the-biochemical-magic-of-raw-milk-and-other-raw-foods-glutathione (http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/2010/09/11/the-biochemical-magic-of-raw-milk-and-other-raw-foods-glutathione,)
> Determination of the biotin content of select foods using accurate and sensitive HPLC/avidin binding, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1450323 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1450323)
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What! Im in BC too haha. Just visiting. The fish here is making me feel amazing, so I think Ill stick with it until I feel I should stop for a bit. I dont live here right so I cant raise my chickens yet.
Wow. We're looking around Comox to relocate. Deal breaker will be access to raw dairy.
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only one thing you can do really. start up a dairy pasture
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It's rarely discussed, but raw egg whites contain rather valuable rare nutrients.
Interesting. Makes me understand why I like eggs' whites. Contrary to most people, I can eat a lot of eggs' whites, so much so that my ex-girl friend (who didn't like them) kept them for me. I drank plenty at once, just like water. :)
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Yes, I've come to like raw whites over time too, and raw duck egg whites tasted reasonably good from the start. Even chicken egg whites now taste slightly sweet to me, which suggests that the brain eventually connects the nutrients in the whites to their taste and provides good taste signals to encourage eating them, as with other nutritious foods that have an acquired taste. Granted, humans and wild animals do tend to prefer the taste of yolks, which are more nutritious, but they will eat whites too. Raw egg whites taste better to me than cooked. Cooked egg whites are bland and boring to me. Near tasteless.
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It was my belief that they were completely and inarguably tasteless haha
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yolks have a nice taste.
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I cant eat apples, at least not right now. My stomach hates fruit right now and bloats really bad. Its so weird. I do well with berries though
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Who knows really, but looks like you're in Canada, have to wonder about the eggs you get in the first place. Free range in the winter in canada? They're eating corn and soy. And the free range may be inside a wharehouse.. But then maybe the eggs are imported from a warmer place. One way to tell is how orange are they? If they are only a light yellow, they are merely corn and soy transformed into egg.
Yes, these eggs, at least the ones I buy from Canada, are certainly not nearly as optimal as they should be. Its for this reason partly I have cut back a lot, but I always get the Omega 3 eggs (although I have to wonder if these are even any better?) Anytime I get them they're nice and orange and taste better. Regular eggs are always so much more yellow its striking the difference.
I really don't have a lot of faith in eggs anymore, unless they're as natural as you can get them. I haven't looked in to anything like that so far, but for the spring and summer maybe I'll try and seek out the highest quality available to me here, which I'm sure would be so good for me.
It'd be neat one day to have a range of eggs available from several different species, including lizards and the like!
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It'd be neat one day to have a range of eggs available from several different species, including lizards and the like!
Iguana's eggs, but I don't know why I never found any in Sri lanka, where iguanas abound. I'm also wondering why I don't lay eggs myself ;D ;D ... ah, perhaps because it's only the female iguanas who lay eggs?
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You made yourself throw up not the raw eggs. Nausea is a normal part of detoxification as your body dumps toxins into your stomach. If your anything like me youll get a bunch of symptoms as you start this diet that will all go away once your body has cleared it out. Toxins entering your blood stream to leave your body is no fun but it has to be done.
All of the symp toms I had that made me switch to rpd actually peaked about 3 or 4 months into the diet and then continually began going away up till about a year and a half later now where I feel phenomenal all of the time.
You just need to get through the initial detox period. Smoking pot helped with my nausea.
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You there, Troll. I like what you have to say.
Good to hear it so bluntly put, thats the best way to give me information for some reason.
I feel relieved now haha
I think I did need to throw up just that once though, I get nauseous at least a few times a day after eating certain raw foods. Thats fine, I deal with it. But that one time was extreme and my body didnt want what was in it.
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Two whole eggs a day should be no problem I think. Perhaps it is the consistency of the raw food that makes you want to puke? If that is the case it is likely psychosomatic.
Or if it is the method you are eating them, then try eating eggs different ways. I like to poke two holes (pinky nail sized top and pin hole sized bottom) and suck little bits of egg through the top.
Or if you are still having the high protein low fat diet problem it could be a starvation response. I know if I am feeling hungry on a fast I will want to throw up even though I have not eaten anything.
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I threw up only once. They usually make me a bit nauseous for a little while though. I think the toxins emptying into my stomach thing makes sense. And that time, it was just a lot of toxins. My body didnt want them in it at all, maybe? It was within the first 4-6 days of me cutting out processed foods and almost all sugar.
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throwing up is still getting rid of the toxin once they dumped into ur stomach.it doesnt matter which end they come out really.just sounds to me like you got rid of some prettynasty stuff which means the eggs did their job almost too well.