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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: Joy2012 on March 12, 2013, 01:38:06 pm
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And please briefly give the reasons why a food item is good for bone health.
I think SALMON is good for bone health because each 4 oz. serving provides 264.7% DV of vitamin D.
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=104 (http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=104)
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Id say high calcium vegetables, salmon (or any animal good that still had the edible bone in it. Also having a healthy environment in the body will prevent bone loss.
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Vitamin K2 foods. Activator X.
Foods high in magnesium.
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DaBoss and GS, thanks.
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From my reading, Vitamin K2 is most important -- the weakest link -- in a mineral rich diet. Even though I eat the best eggs I can get, and lots of raw butter and as much kidney and liver as I can stand, I'm still not getting enough vitamin K2. I know because tarter builds up on my lower front teeth. However, if I supplement with 2 drops of Thorne's MK4, my teeth stay perfectly clean and I no longer need to spend money at the dentist for teeth cleaning. If calcification is building up on the teeth where it's not supposed to go, then I'm assuming it's not going into the bones like it should.
Also, don't miss out on these following factors:
SILICA
http://www.healingteethnaturally.com/biological-transmutation-calcium-from-horsetail-silica.html (http://www.healingteethnaturally.com/biological-transmutation-calcium-from-horsetail-silica.html)
Silica is what the body uses to turn magnesium and other minerals into the calcium in bones. If our animals sources are deficient, you may need to supplement with the herb, horsetail powder. NOTE: dietary calcium is not necessary for bones. This article is very interesting reading.
COLLAGEN
http://vitaminmonkey.net/blog/241/collagen-supplement-maintains-bone-size-and-shape/#more-241 (http://vitaminmonkey.net/blog/241/collagen-supplement-maintains-bone-size-and-shape/#more-241)
Collagen is also very important -- eat your gristle! For me, it's hard to eat that part of the animal like my ancestor's probably did, so I supplement with gelatin/hydrolsized collagen. Of course, our body makes collagen from the meat's amino acids, but I've found that the collagen I've been supplementing ( sorry to all the purests out there) has made a distinct difference in my joint flexibility. I'm now a believer. So I assume it would be helping the bone too.
Here's the bulletproof executive demonstrating extreme joint flexibility from, so he claims, eating alot of collagen.
http://youtu.be/j2E5rFhMftQ#t=25m50s (http://youtu.be/j2E5rFhMftQ#t=25m50s)
MAGNESIUM & VITAMIN D
http://drcarolyndean.com/2013/03/too-much-vitamin-d/ (http://drcarolyndean.com/2013/03/too-much-vitamin-d/)
Caution with vitamin D. Often the often publicized vitamin D deficiency so popular today is really just a symptom of magnesium deficiency. I've read where people who require high amounts of vitamin D supplement can dramatically lower their dosages when they improve their magnesium status. Magnesium is much more important than calcium for many reasons, including activiating the vitamin D used in the body. And -- it's one of those things deficient in our soil, and this deficient in land animals. I wish I ate more seafood, but it is the most expensive thing.
I do supplement with a few things because I cannot get the quality of food that my ancestors ate.
I read ( sorry, can't find link) somewhere from the leading osteoporosis researcher in the world, that ALL the current tests, including bone density tests, are not predictive for individuals. The so-called 'bone density' does not predict fractures, only broad risks applicable to large groups. In other words, some people with the worst bone scans have the strongest bones. What I am learning from all this is that bone strength is the most important thing -- and like some of the springy chicken bones we eat, a resilient, spring-like bone will be hard to break. That strength is not from something brittle and rigid, like calcium, but rather from the collagen matrix and other factors that are strong and bend a little.
In my mind, it comes down to just being really healthy. For instance, cortisol and stress responses will do more damage to one's bones than a poor diet. Such is my contribution. I hope it helps in your search.
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dogman333, many thanks.
Natto (fermented soybeans; available in Korean supermarkets in the freezer section) provides 1103 mg of K2 per 100 grams. As a comparision, calf liver provides 5mg of K2 per 100 grams. I am starting to eat natto daily. Just a heaping tablespoon is adequate.
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Raw zero carb plus the iodine protocol to fill in the inevitable deficiencies works. Note that the only form of boron (for joint health) that is recommended is tri-boron from twinlakes.
Matt Yanke sells silica that has good reviews. See bottom of this page:
http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20071105.htm (http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20071105.htm)
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Raw zero carb plus the iodine protocol to fill in the inevitable deficiencies works. Note that the only form of boron (for joint health) that is recommended is tri-boron from twinlakes.
Matt Yanke sells silica that has good reviews. See bottom of this page:
http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20071105.htm (http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20071105.htm)
May I ask: why zero carb for bone health?
BTW, to those who are disgusted with the stickiness of natto: Natto may be placed into green smoothies.
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May I ask: why zero carb for bone health?
Most if not all things that contain carbohydrates also contain anti-nutrients. This might be part of the reason that we must supplement with magnesium for bone health.
BTW, to those who are disgusted with the stickiness of natto: Natto may be placed into green smoothies.
Please note GS's reaction to GMO natto, in his journal.
Known common deficiencies that affect bone health are those of boron and silica.
http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20071105.htm (http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20071105.htm)
I don't know of anyone who has ever been tested for deficiencies while on a modern long term raw zero carb diet; I think we can expect that they would be fewer, but not absent .
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William, the nutrients you mentioned are contained in fruits and vegetables. Personally I would rather eat whole foods than supplement pills. Who knows what other important, bone-building nutrients are contained in whole foods that have not been discovered by scientists?
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William, the nutrients you mentioned are contained in fruits and vegetables.
Maybe they still are, depends on the date of analysis, but the anti-nutrients tend to make those nutrients speed through the gut and end up in the toilet.
We should keep in mind that comparative analysis of modern wild African lions and paleoman show that raw wild meat contains everything needed for perfect bones.
Personally I would rather eat whole foods than supplement pills.
Me too! I've tried many whole "foods", and they all made me sick, except for pemmican. Nothing is perfect, but some things work better than others.
Who knows what other important, bone-building nutrients are contained in whole foods that have not been discovered by scientists?
Most so-called scientists are fools and/or perverts.
"Put not your faith in Man." - Jesus Christ
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"Put not your faith in Man." - Jesus Christ
If you believe in the truthfulness of Jesus Christ, then you will consider what is in the first chapter of the Bible:
"And God said, Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. "
This is what deters me from zero carb diet.
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If you believe in the truthfulness of Jesus Christ, then you will consider what is in the first chapter of the Bible:
"And God said, Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. "
This is what deters me from zero carb diet.
That was written by Man.
You must test for truth; we have done it here, and it failed the test.
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May I ask: why zero carb for bone health?
Ignore william, he's just a cooked-zero-carb fanatic. My own zero-carb experiment nearly destroyed my teeth. The rest of my skeleton would have gone, next, if I'd continued. Not suggesting that this experience of mine will apply to everyone else, just pointing out that one RZC/CZC does not work for everyone.
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Ignore william, he's just a cooked-zero-carb fanatic. My own zero-carb experiment nearly destroyed my teeth. The rest of my skeleton would have gone, next, if I'd continued. Not suggesting that this experience of mine will apply to everyone else, just pointing out that one RZC/CZC does not work for everyone.
"Put not your faith in Man" - Jesus Christ
I'm assuming that TD is of the race of Man. I could be wrong about that.
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"Put not your faith in Man" - Jesus Christ
You quoted one passage of the Bible: "Put not your faith in Man"-- apprantly assuming its truthfulness.
That was written by Man.
Then you claim another passage of the Bible is written by Man and thus not truthful.
I feel confused by your double standards.
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You quoted one passage of the Bible: "Put not your faith in Man"-- apprantly assuming its truthfulness.
Then you claim another passage of the Bible is written by Man and thus not truthful.
I feel confused by your double standards.
"Seek and ye shall find, and the truth shall make you free" - Jesus Christ
Of confusion, IMHO. That means do your own thinking with your own God-given brain, which works much better without all that glucose from neolithic carbs.
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Doesn't all this god talk belong in the off topic section
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Doesn't all this god talk belong in the off topic section
"And God said, Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. "
There are people who, by their actions, actually believe that a God said that. Some of them are moderators here.
Seems properly paleofoody to me.
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"Seek and ye shall find, and the truth shall make you free" - Jesus Christ
Of confusion, IMHO. That means do your own thinking with your own God-given brain, which works much better without all that glucose from neolithic carbs.
So do you mean: Since you have a God-given brain, you are able to tell which part of God's Word is quotable and which part is false? So you are a god judging God's Word? That's a pretty heavy-duty work.
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So do you mean: Since you have a God-given brain, you are able to tell which part of God's Word is quotable and which part is false? So you are a god judging God's Word? That's a pretty heavy-duty work.
I mean that Jesus Christ the healer gave directions to healing.
Use them and be well, or not. Your choice.
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I mean that Jesus Christ the healer gave directions to healing.
Use them and be well, or not. Your choice.
Religious discussion is off-topic for this particular sub-forum.
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William, I was just having fun with your word play. No offence.
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I think a well balanced raw paleo diet in itself has all the elements needed to promote bone health.
Though there may be cases where because of an individuals inability to assimilate nutrients or a past history of chronic deficiency extra minerals may be needed.
I am a big fan of making homemade bone meal.
The real issues with people having poor bone health is not due to a lack of vital nutrients, it is more often a result of consuming the wrong foods that contain components that leach minerals out of the bones in order to metabolize or neutralize.
Proper bacterial balance is also important to ensure optimal assimilation of bone building nutrients. Bacteria produce vitamins, hormones, and enzymes that aid in digestion and utilization of nutrients. High meat... Yum
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Sunbathing will build up vitamin D levels which will strengthen bones.
Weight resistance exercise combine with dietary changes will yield the most dramatic improvements in the skeletal health.
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I am a big fan of making homemade bone meal.
The real issues with people having poor bone health is not do to a lack of vital nutrients, it is more often a result of consuming the wrong foods that contain components that leach minerals out of the bones in order to metabolize or neutralize.
Proper bacterial balance is also important to ensure optimal assimilation of bone building nutrients. Bacteria produce vitamins, hormones, and enzymes that aid in digestion and utilization of nutrients. High meat... Yum
When you say homemade bone meal, do you mean simmering bones in soups?
What is the wrong foods you have in mind?
How to reach proper bacterial balance? Are you familiar with Natto which is soybeans fermented with Bacillus subtilis? I just started eating it and I hope it is very beneficial for bone health.
Thanks.
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I take a rasp and grind it on the leg bones of the lamb I slaughter, in order to make homemade bone meal.
Its a workout in itself and I usually get a few table spoons of finely ground meal before my arms get tired. Then I chew a big wad of it like gum. I often have to ration some out to my children who swarm me like vultures for taste.
The list of wrong foods that may contribute to loss of bone density is long.
*Most refined carbohydrates, particularly grains and starches.
* Anti nutrients from many plants including soy.
How to reach proper bacterial balance?
That question is the at the heart of the great search for the holiest of holy in attaining optimal health.
The various factors are so numerous and the particular needs of each individual are so different that there isn't any definite answer.
My girlfriend is a borderline veterinarian who eats some fermented soy, and makes Kombutcha tea and a little kifer. Because she subsist off of primarily vegetable matter her optimal bacterial balance is much different from someone like myself who eats 2 pounds of animal flesh per day.
Also my nutritional requirements for vitamins like K2 and mineral like calcium are probably much lower than for people who consume large amounts of anti-nutrients contained in non paleo foods- Including soy.
I eat putrefied meat, and god knows what kind of bacterial profile or vitamin exist in those jars of rotten meat. Sadly there isn't much scientific research in this department, so these claims that rotten meat could optimize the absorption of bone building nutrients are not being investigated.
You could give a basic outline of your diet and from there maybe people on the forum could make better suggestions...
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I find a raw specific carbohydrate diet helps with my bacteria.
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Thanks, sabertooth.
DaBoss, what do you mean by "raw specific carbohydrate diet"?