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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Off Topic => Topic started by: jessica on December 13, 2013, 01:29:03 am
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How to raise chickens on compost :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMwEgZT3JQ8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMwEgZT3JQ8)
How to make cooked dick soup. I wouldn't do it but its interesting to see the lengths (no pun intended) that people go through to eat dick.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/luckypeach/how-to-make-dick-soup (http://www.buzzfeed.com/luckypeach/how-to-make-dick-soup)
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I recently finished reading Grain Brain (http://www.amazon.com/Grain-Brain-Surprising-Sugar-Your-Killers/dp/031623480X), by David Perlmutter, and am now reading Wheat Belly (http://www.amazon.com/Wheat-Belly-Lose-Weight-Health/dp/1609611543/ref=pd_cp_b_0/190-7959448-2938519), by William Davis. Both are great books!
I'm also 9 weeks into a 23 week course on rewilding taught by Daniel Vitalis and Tera Waner called Be Wild (http://www.bodyenlightenment.me/university/be-wild). It's much better than I anticipated, and it's been neat to get to know Daniel a bit better.
I'm also learning to how to offer workshops on nutrition and health-related things in my area, and how to market them. I offered a raw meat eating workshop a month ago to my local Weston A. Price chapter, and will offer other workshops through them this coming year as I recently accepted the 'job' of being the co-director of the local chapter.
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Sweet Eric, I am hoping I have my car back this week so I can go to the local WAPF winter potluck, chances are I will be stuck at home. Even though I don't agree with everything, it's great to have them as a resource for knowing who's producing quality food locally.
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That's the biggest reason I joined the WAPF. My main goal is to put together a good list of grass fed meat producers, and offer workshops promoting these products to help develop the market so more producers offer them. I'm not keen on WAPF's advocacy for eating 'properly prepared' grain, and don't plan on supporting that part of their platform. I'm fairly neutral on the raw milk thing. I do like raw cultured butter, and would like to start making my own. I'm not interested in any other dairy products.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly7WreQLUWc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly7WreQLUWc)
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Eric, how are things with the local chapter going? I've long since given up on the mostly religious conservative Christian crowd that make up most of the Pricers around here. They believe in cooking food like it's both God's law and man's law. LOL
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http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com/Race_Face_Plates.htm (http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com/Race_Face_Plates.htm)
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chinese acupressure!
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http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com/Race_Face_Plates.htm (http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com/Race_Face_Plates.htm)
you guys should check out this link, its a bunch of photos and comparision/discusion of people of difference races from the . i am mesmorized by it, all of the men look so much stronger, with much heavier and healthier bone structure than you see nowadays.....anyway its good for entertainment.
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Really interesting, Jessica. I think the Western view of race got sidetracked when "whites" tried to use the 3-race model and then put the white race on top. I belong to a widely-dispersed highly-interbred race with three distinct group migrations, and I can always tell who is one of "my" migration by the face, and they know that I am one of them.
I don't even believe that Columbus thought he was in Asia because he must have taken one look at the indigenous people and known they weren't Asians.
Even in my hyper-diverse city, you can usually tell where someone is from - Vietnamese don't look like Cambodians, Ethiopians don't look like Somalis, Guatemalans don't resemble Salvadorans, Canadians don't look like Americans (LOL, gotcha!).
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http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com/Race_Face_Plates.htm (http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com/Race_Face_Plates.htm)
Thanks Jessica, this is a great resource. Lately I've been paying attention to phenotypes and specifically faceplates.
In the past this was a common awareness. Many older people I know can identify a person's heritage just by looking.
The more familiar we become about the established types, the easier it becomes to notice strength or degeneration.
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Columbus may or may not have thought he was in however he never was in Asia and probably never saw an Asian. Columbus had declared he had found India. Amerigo Vespucci was the first to announce his doubts of America being Asia which is probably why they named it after him.
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I find it interesting that the "Upper Palaeolithic survivals" all look more solid, with higher brows and broader faces etc., than the other, more sickly-looking white groups. I suspect that a lot of degeneration has happened since the Palaeolithic era. There is a lot one can read into a face, not just body-language.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKHUaNAxsTg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKHUaNAxsTg)
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Currently re-reading the book Against the Grain: How Agriculture Hijacked Civilization, and reading Fields of Blood: Religion and the History of Violence for the first time. Recently finished the book Against His-Story, Against Leviathan. The author of this last book is very detail oriented (it's essentially a historical treatise of why civilizations started), which makes the book a little hard to read at times because it gets quite dry. Lots of gems for those interested in critiques of civilization and patriarchy.
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Eric, have you read "The Fates of Nations", by Paul Colinvaux? I'm sure you have, I just thought it was really good.
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Ive spend the last couple of months tried to realign my understanding of cosmology closer to the electric universe model. Gravity is a myth, There is only one force(electricity) There is no nuclear atom! Everything is light!
The ideas expressed in Walter Russel's, "Secret of Light" are worthy study!
"Knowledge is cosmic. It does not evolve or unfold in Man. Man unfolds to an awareness of it. He gradually discovers it. "
Walter Russel
Ive just finished watching the whole secret of light series, by Matt Presti and Robert Otey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dwsyD4diI8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dwsyD4diI8)
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Just watching a 1960 HMV 1876 which I am in the process of restoring to full working order on old 405 line scan and black and white picture. Previously restored an Ekco TS105 made in 1949.
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Few years ago I also took a closer look at electric universe. At first they appear to make lots of sense to average person but after reading several forums and reviews from real scientists most of their theory and explanations is just a bunch of scientific jargon.
General relativity (yes, Gravity) is the best theory we have so far. One of its practical uses is to synchronize clocks on Earth and in orbit. Critics of General relativity including Electric universe do not explain this nor provide any of their own equations to sync clocks more precisely. Until I see any practical applications of this Electric universe I say talk is cheap.
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https://www.bol.com/nl/p/influence/1001004007060777/?Referrer=ADVNLGOO002011B-G-35592116487-S-66858609281-1001004007060777&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_cPDltD-1gIVjJEbCh2xUAWEEAQYAiABEgItWvD_BwE (https://www.bol.com/nl/p/influence/1001004007060777/?Referrer=ADVNLGOO002011B-G-35592116487-S-66858609281-1001004007060777&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_cPDltD-1gIVjJEbCh2xUAWEEAQYAiABEgItWvD_BwE)
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Im not sure that the synchronization of atomic clockwork or the many other technical achievements, by scientist who falsly attribute the various functions of the single creative force, to a multiplicity of imaginary forces ;excludes the revelations of the electric universe. I am only now learning about these alternative views for the first time, with fresh eyes, and though there may not be enough so called "proof" for the average materialistic empiricist, the electric universe jives much more with the (rhythms and theorems) of my own (sensibilities and sensitivities)
What has been called gravity is just one facet of electrical force, and not a separate force onto itself. General relativity and gravity, though many contend are the best explanations for phenomenon, are still guesswork explanations that have never been conclusively proven.
Robert Otey offers many good counterpoint to the gravity myth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWip5nVpw54 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWip5nVpw54)
According to this alternative cosmology the whole periodic chart of the elements we all were told was sacrosanct is also just an arbitrary aberration, and the nuclear atom theory it is based upon is a total myth that has no reality. The seemingly separate elements represent different frequency waves of the same force, which use a rainbow like spectrum of elemental wave-field energy to create waveforms, which has been falsely perceived as separable particles . There are harmonic resonances which create the Maya illusion of three dimensional matter.
These mind blowing revelations are ongoing...Just the other day it came upon my awareness that Hydrogen was falsely designated as the lightest element, simply because it was the lightest element our instruments could perceive. The Periodic table of the elements is a fundamentally incomplete view of elementary spectrum, which is why so much of our science which is based on the materialism based world view of molecular chemistry, is out of sync with the nature of reality. There are elements that resonate on lower levels than hydrogen, there are inert gases and undiscovered elements that fill the cosmos. What is called dark matter is these unseen elemental energy structures which are the medium in which light moves and transforms its energy into the three dimensional holographic universe.
I will admit that beyond the grasp of understanding, are the details of exactly what electricity is and exactly how this stuff all works? or what is the relevance of such knowledge......but I intuitively feel the significant implications of the basic premise, that an electrical universe in which a single creative force is divided from the stillness, and is reflected within the center of every phenomenon on every scale, through all of fractal infinity. To me the fully electrified universe where the Creator gives the creative force to us freely with unlimited access to cosmic consciousness; just feels like a more balanced and less depressing view of the cosmos...than the big bang, materialistic, fatalistic, heat death, Godless, accidental existental fluke cosmology which continues to infest the ivory towered minds being propagated by Academia.
“The keystone of the entire structure of the spiritual and physical universe is Rhythmic Balanced Interchange between all opposites.”
Walter Russell
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Every theory comes with its math and equations. It's the math that lets you build practical models and verify if a theory is correct or incomplete or even wrong. Einstein's equations are proven to be correct (to a certain degree of precision) and that's why we have a reliable GPS service. Electric universe does not offer anything of that kind.
I've listened to that youtube podcast and those guys sound like retards. Every model must have its math and I have not seen any for Electric universe. Without math all their talk is null and void. We use gravity force to calculate motions of the planets and rocket's trajectory to incredible precision. Without gravity math there would be no space exploration at all. What math does Electric universe use to calculate planets motion? I bet there is none.
Electric universe does not explain beta decay and many other nuclear realities such as nuclear weapons and nuclear reactors. These real things exist because of quantum mechanics math.
And then, there is quantum computing. I have to admit I'm still skeptical about it but if IBM and Intel are claiming to have a real working prototype it must be a real thing. Those guys will never announce anything that can ruin their reputation.
I've seen too many people talk the talk. Unless I see real results all their talk is nothing. And that's what Electric universe is. Just nothing. Show me the math.
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We will have to disagree about the primacy of the "Mythamatical Equations" which "Prove Gravity" is a force onto itself. The elcetric Universe theory explains fairly well that the foundations of quantum mechanics such as the double split experiment, and non locality are totally fraudulent so all the mathical models based upon those theories are skewed.
Its not about right or wrong views, or differing opinions about what constitutes "Results" as much as it is about personal preference... at this time I simply enjoy seeing the cosmos through the electric universe, and I see more promise for personally attaining a happy and balanced life within the temporal nature aligned ethos espoused by visionaries like Tesla and Walter Russel, than the mythamatically abject projections based upon the fundamental fallacies espoused by runaway materialism.
At this time I would also like to rebuke the misconception that it is the academically credited scientist who are the drivers of human innovations. The idea that the studied and prudent minds of arm chair theocrats produce the formulas by which the technicians and artist use to advance the state of the arts is not an undeniable truth.
Many of the greatest leaps forward made by the greatest minds in history were made by those who where divinely inspired by a higher power, Visionaries whose insights into the nature of things could never be explained or reproduced by mathematical abstractions. Tesla envisioned the working of the AC motion after being struck by a blinding light. Victor Schauberger studied the natural movement of water which lead him to envision the Jet engine, Faraday was an artisan who worked on creating glass lenses, Walter Russel was an artisan extraordinaire who after being divinely inspired drew out the mechanics of how light energy is transformed into matter.
Im not entirely dismissing the value of mathematics, and believe that there is a sacred geometry that underlies all structure and form in the universe, but without the vision of the artisan, and technician to transcend and transform the limitation of equasion, the mathematics do not have any human value.
I personally do not make distinctions between "the scientist"the artist"the technician" or the spiritualist" The same quality of mind which lead our ancient ancestors to create the first artistic cave paintings, was the same nature of mind that gave them the technical skill need to perfect the tools of survival. The same rational mind that gave them the math to recon, count and measure the rhythms of nature, was the same imaginative mind which enabled them to evoke a creator. Calling upon one group of people to be supreme authority because of a subjective scientific label and giving them full licence to rule over the whole creative scope of humanity is absurd.
Mathematics is a form of language, just as is art, technology, or religion... any one of these forms of expression if built upon a false foundation can lead to problems of imbalance....Language is a means by which the human mind evokes reality, any of these facets of mind which span the gamete of human endeavor is fallible and is capable of doing as much harm as good.
Though none could argue that Mythamatical Science has incredible power to accomplish incredible feats, just as the sorcery and magic of ages past could mesmerize the primitive minded with masterful trickery, but I say without the balance of artistic vision, imagination, human love, compassion, and harmony with the natural rhythms, or an understanding that "all energy flows through the whims of the great magnet"; this scientific materialism will lead us away from the power of divine inner knowledge which is beyond the scope of our most advanced quantum computing models to fathom!
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Sorry, Electric universe does not explain anything. All they do is criticize quantum mechanics without offering alternative solutions that can be verified. They offer ambiguous "explanations" that are not verifiable. They sound very much like flat earthers who " successfully debunked" spherical earth.
Gravity theory has been proven by successful space exploration. If you would use Electric universe principles human would've have never left earth.
Math is fundamental and without it no theory can be understood. Even electromagentism cannot be understood without Maxwell equations. If a theory cannot be backed by math, it is empty talk.
I guess it is ok for personal inner satisfacton. But for all practical purposes Electric universe is useless.
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Still I disagree with much of the "maths", and insist that you are simply building up a straw man of a truncated version of the electric universe theory and knocking it down.
The reality is that the proportionates of the electric universe theory are not anti-math, and in many ways would agree the elegant calculations of Maxwell's equations do in a rudimentary way explain the movement of electric waves, and help us to visualize the unseen motions of the creators energy....but the conclusions of these mathematical formulas are still warped by the false insistence that these waves are of atomic particles.
There is more than one language by which to express something....perhaps there is a degree of miscommunication between different viewpoints and values that cannot be reconciled. Though the much current technology seems to some people proof of the primacy of the triumph of mathematical materialism...I still insist countless other ways to engineer equally technology which works more in tune with the health and well being of biological life.
I am attempting a contention, that if the means by which we attain those great heights of technological advancement, are out of touch with the true nature of the universe then so will be the souls of those who tether themselves to the faulty materialist models.
Perhaps we should slow down and take a deeper look at these alternative cosmologies before giving the power and authority over the human race to dogmatic ideologies that though may dazzle with rocket fire and technological wonder, are at their base heartless and godless idols that will not lead to any dynamic balance or sustainable happiness.
The thunderbolts project, though not entirely in agreement with Russels work, makes many good arguments against the mythical Maths behind the false views of gravity, which have been far to long taken as sacrosanct. They explain how the massive multi-billion dollar projects being built to reinforce the false maths are doomed to fail...but because there is so much money being invested in these foolish endeavors the scientific establishment is engaged in massive fraud in order to save face and preserve the materialistic worldview.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2xEmFoc_0U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2xEmFoc_0U)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq_TF_K604c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq_TF_K604c)
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The test of a theory is whether it makes useful and nontrivial predictions. Mathematical conclusions are just one example of a type of prediction. It's neither necessary nor sufficient for a theory to have math - the math is simply one type of prediction.
Einstein's theory is useful because it provides real and nontrivial predictions which we can then verify and take advantage of: black holes, GPS, etc. The math is simply a manifestation of the theory's predictions.
You can see that math plays a minimal role in theories if you consider string theory, which is a completely mathematical theory - it's not considered physics because it doesn't provide any concrete predictions.
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The trouble with Einstein is that there is plentiful proof that he stole credit for 2 of his theories from Poincare and others, without even bothering to mention them. I mean, even Newton had to admit that "he was standing on the shoulders of giants...". Einstein's theory of relativity is also showing major holes as the dark matter he predicted has shown no evidence of existing etc.
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Been reading a bit from a book by Thom Hartmann called "Adult ADHD: How to succeed as a Hunter in a Farmer's World". He says that for our ancestors some ADHD traits were necessary for survival, and that "Hunters" make good entrepreneurs...
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I am attempting a contention, that if the means by which we attain those great heights of technological advancement, are out of touch with the true nature of the universe then so will be the souls of those who tether themselves to the faulty materialist models.
Physics is purely materialistic. That's what it does.
are at their base heartless and godless idols
This has nothing to do with science.
makes many good arguments against the mythical Maths behind the false views of gravity
Electric universe does not offer any alternatives that improve on existing shortcomings. None. Zero. All their talk is purely philosophical because it is not verifiable. They are in the same league as Scientology in their attempts to explain how world is working.
I guess we have to wait for quantum computers. If that thing becomes a reality it will invalidate almost everything Electric Universe is standing for.
Oh, and another thing. I'm curious how they would explain muon tomography.
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It's neither necessary nor sufficient for a theory to have math
Then how do you propose you build practical models to verify your theory? You can't. And without working models your theory is really worthless.
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Then how do you propose you build practical models to verify your theory? You can't.
That's quite the logical leap.
Natural Selection doesn't require math to be verified.
The theory that the earth is round/flat doesn't require math to be verified.
The theory of magnetic monopoles doesn't require math to be verified.
Germ theory. The theory that humans are rational. The theory that jesus is the son of god.
More generally, any ideas you might have about reality are theories and I'm certain you are not doing much math to verify them. Don't get me wrong - math is great. But like I said, it is simply taking your theory and then using *quantitative* logical deductions to make predictions. You don't have to make these deductions quantitative. They can simply be logical deductions.
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Physics is purely materialistic. That's what it does.
This is perniciously the point, which is at the crux of the fundamental difference between the materialistic cosmology of conventional physicist and the metaphysical mind of the God universe, the great vision of Brahma described by the Mystics.
Generally thinking....Math is an after though.... Creative insights of metaphysical mind are the initiator of innovation, while the mathematics abstractions follow in the wake of such insight as an afterthought used as a language to extrapolate data in an attempt to explain in rudimentary form, the hows and whys of the discovery to others. Math is a valuable tool that can codify and carry forward the inspirations and inventions birthed from mystical origin, but its machinations are not a be all end all authority. The Aftermath of explanatory formulation which are observed in the wake of these metaphysical insights has its value, but is in itself not the prime pro generator of revelation or innovation.
The Mathematics used to explain material phenomenon is a form of Maya, which is not to trivialize the endeavor of computation, this indeed is a manifestation of the same power that created the universe, and there will be those human minds who are capable of aligning abstract formulation with observational reality....but without the understanding that the fundamental basis of reality is an immaterial hologram, a projectioned continuum of the metaphysical mind manifestation of the living CREATOR, these materialist become entranced by false delusions, and many become convinced that a dead and lifeless universe of ignorant blind forces is all that there is, and so cut themselves off from participating in other areas of human creativity which though can never be "Quantumfied". Nevertheless the immeasurable metaphysical forces are just as powerful and valuable a tool to humanity as any materialistic-centric scientific model.
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Food for thought regarding quantum computing....... there is plenty of evidence which suggest that the brain is a quantum computer...capable of running multiple simulations simultaneously...and it is the effects of these bio electrically generated simulations which evoke out of the infinities of possibilities, the seemingly finite and self limiting mythematical models of particle physics.
Electric Resonance in Microtubules
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiLplTc8rQY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiLplTc8rQY)
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Captain Fantastic is a good movie and its themes are extremely relevant to me and my children's own situation and experiences. The movie opens with a good Raw meat eating hunting scene.
Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAIEnDWhzf0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAIEnDWhzf0)
Whole movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFWPvie1TeY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFWPvie1TeY)
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Natural Selection doesn't require math to be verified.
Sorry, I meant physics theory. Which is the point of our discussion. Things like time dilation and length contraction which are part of relativity theory you can't verify without math.
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perniciously
I had to google it.
without the understanding that the fundamental basis of reality is an immaterial hologram, a projectioned continuum of the metaphysical mind manifestation of the living CREATOR
No one knows what is fundamental basis of reality. Your definition cannot be verified just like any other religious dogmas. And it does not help in any way to create next generation devices such as quantum computing and muon tomography. Which are the direct result of the Standard model which Electric universe rejects outright. According to Electric universe these things should not exist.
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Pernicious is a fine word, which relates well to the attitude of ideological extremes
Again, defining what reality "is" boils down to a individuals preference. I personally am much happier with a universal model which isn't set in stone, and is beyond proof or disproof.
A Universe that is a multiplicity constructed of living entities birthing, evolving, and dying within an organic process, where nobody knows the fundamental basis of reality, is much more preferable to my taste, than a model which uses an Artificiality intelligence generated singularity to remove all the mystery from the mysteries of life.
Temporally speaking these extremes are not mutually exclusive... I as an individual and limited being can experience reality as a metaphysically spiritually projected head trip, while simultaneously the machine men are free to begin construction an entirely alien digitized mathmatized realm of existence. Perhaps the age will come when the machines will begin to question the reality of its own creators existence.
I choose to reject the idea that engineering can solve the problems of human life, without destroying the parts of humanity I would wish to preserve...There is this feeling that the power of the raw and unaugmented human mind, in tune with the energy of the cosmic rhythm, can generate dynamic, organic and spontaneous solutions without dependence on these "next generation devices". The type of world and quality of humanity which would follow in the wake of these alternative ways of living and thinking non materialistically, would be just as amazing and marvelous as that which is promised by ever advancing technology.
Its not that Im advocating the Luddite position, instead a middle way approach would be prudent. Im an advocate for allowing different factions to coexist....the technocrats can build their towers of technological babel, while allowing for a reserve population of more earth bounded souls who could act as a counter balance.... perhaps having large reserves of heirloom varieties of humans would be useful as a contingency plan to save the human race, just in case the cybernetic trans humanist thing doesn't work out according to plan.... Let the earth reality be a grand experiment where the universe uses the ever flowing,evolving, and creative spirit of life as a means to discover the meaning of its own existence.
Maybe in the face of the inevitable procession of events its unrealistic to hold on to any form of nostalgia for a human centric world that may have never even been as it was perceived to be. Alas perhaps my own view has been somewhat jaded by all the dystopic sci-fi exposure, from themes brought up in films like "Ghost in the Shell"...Hmm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZX58fDhebc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZX58fDhebc)
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I personally am much happier with a universal model which isn't set in stone
There is no universal model that's set in stone. Even Einstein was saying there are problems with the Standard model (or whatever it was called back then).
I choose to reject the idea that engineering can solve the problems of human life
You are digressing. Electric universe does not deal with this subject.
Interestingly the official website not only does not reject Gravity but it fully accepts it. They only question the role of gravity when describing cosmic events. Also the official website does not mention much regarding quantum mechanics and sub-atomic world. Electric universe deals with very narrow subject which is cosmology.
But youtube is full of followers rejecting gravity left and right. And I've seen the founder also saying there is no such thing as sub-atomic world. Really shady and unprofessional. They have all the characteristics of a quack. That's why no one in the scientific community takes them seriously.
It is ok to have a different opinions regarding how world works. There are plenty of examples in today's scientific community. Present it in a professional manner and everyone will review it and discuss it. The way Electric universe does it is childish at best. And that's my problem with them.
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No digression intended, I was simply tangentially musing upon some random thoughts.
What official Web Site are you citing??? My views relate more closely to the works of Walter Russel and his revelations regarding the "secret of light" and I believe other electric universe enthusiast outlets such as the thunderbolts project, though containing some kernels of truth are mistaken in many of their own interpretations. Have you studied the full scope of Walter Russel's alternative cosmology before dismissing it entirely?
Not to say that the phenomenon of gravity does not exist..... Russel thought that what is called gravity isn't a "force", it does not "pull", there are no mythical graviton particles.... instead gravity is the center point of stillness which all movement originated from and spirals back toward. These movements are waves of the same energy that makes up light, that create the illusion of the material world as they are channeled through cubic wave fields.
The nuclear atom constructed by subatomic particles is a myth, the periodic table is a farce and electricity is the only force. There is no such thing as empty space, what was claimed to be the empty vacuum of space is filled with the inert gases or elemental aethers which are insusceptible to our instruments.
The Still Magnetic light divided by electric light motion, which seeks a return to the stillness, is a much more attractive theory behind gravity than any of the other opinions I have come across
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0eEO0QRXxM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0eEO0QRXxM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky0JJGFa044 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky0JJGFa044)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22eNWZwIeCQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22eNWZwIeCQ)
The Secret of Light
ftp://leo.co.ls/Philosophy/russell/the_secret_of_light.pdf (http://ftp://leo.co.ls/Philosophy/russell/the_secret_of_light.pdf)
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What official Web Site are you citing???
www.thunderbolts.info (http://www.thunderbolts.info)
Have you studied the full scope of Walter Russel's alternative cosmology before dismissing it entirely?
I've looked at it and did not find anything interesting. I'm not interested in philosophical mumbo-jumbo. I'm interesting in real things. Like Tesla was a very practical man and he built practical things using real scientific formulas.
For example, walter-russell.com is claiming that planet orbit is due to a process of ELECTRICAL buoyancy and not a gravitational force of attraction. But it does not explain how you suppose to calculate planet orbit without gravitational constant and without gravity as a force. All this talk is useless.
Another example is walter-russell.com claims that radioactivity is simply electricity unwinding. But they present nothing to back this claim. Quantum mechanics explains radioactivity and backs it up with math to calculate entire process. And it has been verified by things like power plants, nuclear weapons, x-ray machines, and many others. WRC offers no such thing.
Also, on this website I found gross mistakes like this one
"Nikola Tesla decided to apply an on/off sequence to his ac current. A light bulb operating at 50/60 Hz will thus be on for part of the cycle and then off for part of the cycle."
This is wrong. Bulb is on for all of the cycle except for one moment in the middle of the cycle. For the first half current is going one way. And for the other half current is going the other way. It is not off.
And it is also wrong to compare it with what they call Main Stream Science. WR is not a science. Philosophy maybe, but not a science.
The Still Magnetic light divided by electric light motion, which seeks a return to the stillness, is a much more attractive theory behind gravity than any of the other opinions I have come across
Does it tell you how to calculate planet motion so we can send a probe there or even go there ourselves? Or calculate how much fuel we need to overcome gravity forces and get back home? I bet it does not. I do not see how you find this theory attractive.
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Agree wholeheartedly with everything YS has to say. It is fundamental PHYSICS and FACT!!! Jolly well done!
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“[Einstein’s theory of relativity is] a magnificent mathematical garb which fascinates, dazzles and makes people blind to the underlying errors. The theory is like a beggar clothed in purple whom ignorant people take for a king… its exponents are brilliant men, but they are meta-physicists rather than scientists.” Nicola Tesla
Tesla actually agreed with a number of Russel's fundamental points, He along with Russel both refuted the nuclear atomic theory.
It seems the basis of fundamental support for the pro establishment theory , is that it somehow provides practical pragmatic results such as rocket trajectory calculations... the fallacy in such an argument is that such wonderfully practical and useful calculations are not directly related to how correct or incorrect the overall cosmological model those engineers possess.
Kepler held a number of dogmatic theory's that were fundamentally wrong. Yet despite the fact he was wrong about the true nature of how the planets moved; his calculation and measurements of the motion he observed were correct. These same foundation flaws which have been aggregated and passed down by the succession of Issac Newtons Giants are still prevalent in modern cosmology, and though the observations and calculations are in someway correct and have practical applications from a certain viewpoint, they are fundamentally incorrect and have aberrant human and ecological consequences from an other perspective.
What good is rocket science to a world where half the people are starving? What do these equations equate to when it comes to measuring human equality? What relevance is relativity in devising a system of balanced ecology?
From a certain perspective many of these wonderful "advances" built upon the false foundations of cosmologies which are out of tune, out of touch with the unseen realities, and unobservable realities, from one point of view, have been just as detrimental to the wellness of the average human life... as another point of view might claim it has benefited humanity.
This is not a right or wrong issue, there are nuances beyond what is being presented as evidence, To me the cosmology of the universe is just as much of an art as a science, and the beautiful sense of correctness exist only the mind of the beholder. The kind of world one wishes to evoke determines the reality as it creates itself. Some may prefer the atomic model, and work to create through particle physics all sorts of fantastic technology that will transform humanity in one direction, while others prefer an spiritual model where the power of the mind channels mysterious energies in ways that seek harmonic resonance with the mind of the creator.
Both paths are equally legitimate courses to investigate...which side one chooses to fallow is more a matter of taste than empirical truth. Ive personally had enough of the toxic fumes of combustion engines, the heavy metals of industrial alchemy, the pesticides which cover the heartland of my home country... many of the so called advancements, cited by empiricist as evidence of progress, have been built upon the false foundations of the materialistic worldview....and because these views are out of tune with the deeper reality, the interference that is caused by those who follow its false promises have the potential to create blow back, side effects, and unforeseeable consequences.
I have stated on a number of occasions that I advocate a middle path, and wish to find an intermediate balance between the opposing worldviews. By entertaining different ideas without having to hold any notion of their being an absolute truth, I am free to seek out and explore these subjects from a unique perspective. I dont wish the destruction of the material worldview altogether and replace it with a purely spiritual view, instead I play the role of devils advocate by pointing out the limitations and blind spots of material science, while evoking an awareness in those who may have forgotten that there is still much to be discovered.
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Tesla actually agreed with a number of Russel's fundamental points
Yet, Tesla did not use any of Russel's work for his inventions. He used math developed by other scientists for all his inventions.
[Einstein’s theory of relativity is] a magnificent mathematical garb
That's understandable. Because at those times relativity was a pure thought without any practical uses. Now with advances in tools and technology it will be a matter of time more and more practical things could be built that can either confirm or disprove relativity theory. Or it could say it is partially correct and needs further refinement.
What good is rocket science to a world where half the people are starving? What do these equations equate to when it comes to measuring human equality? What relevance is relativity in devising a system of balanced ecology?
That's a purely philosophical question. You can ask the same thing how work of painters is relevant to starving people. Or those who put up ballet and other entertainment. And many more.
From a certain perspective many of these wonderful "advances" built upon the false foundations of cosmologies
It is not false. Because no one proved it to be false. Russel theory does not prove anything because it is more of a philosophy which does not require any proofs. For example, mainstream idea is that sun is powered by fusion. It is explained along with equations that show how it happens and how to calculate the rate and amount of energies that sun should generate. We blew up too many hydrogen bombs to confirm fusion theory checks out pretty well. Now if they can come up with controllable fusion reactor that would be awesome.
Electric universe, on the other hand, is saying this is false and there is no such thing as fusion. They say Sun is powered by electromagnetic interactions. But they do not provide any details how and no means how to calculate those interactions. You see how it useless. Electric universe is in the same category as ancient Book of the Dead. Those theories do not prove anything and have little to do with real world. The only thing you can do is either believe in it or not.
Ive personally had enough of the toxic fumes of combustion engines, the heavy metals of industrial alchemy, the pesticides
This should be addressed to politicians who regulate all of those devices. Scientists do a different kind of work.
I play the role of devils advocate by pointing out the limitations and blind spots of material science
It is true that many concepts of modern science have unanswered questions. Everyone is welcome to come up with explanations. It's just Russel's work is not one of them.
I'm optimistic about quantum computers. If they can make it work on a big scale will that be enough for you to admit that quantum superposition is a real thing and Electric universe is dead wrong about it?
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Thanks, ys! Excellent posts.
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I respectfully disagree Y.S. and do not believe you are addressing the crux of the points Im attempting to make. To dismiss everything in the Secret of Light as a Philosophy without relevance, while propping up mainstream orthodoxy, is just as much of a subjective opinion, as the quantum theory.
Regardless of what anyone says, I find the description of cubic wave fields absolutely fascinating and in my mind it provides a much more tangible view of how energy is transmitted into matter, than the orthodox science which doesn't seem brave enough to even broach the subject with any depth.
The electric cosmos theory does not claim that Fission and fusion do not exist, only that its not an atomic process, it electrical. The electric bonds that hold the elements together can be broken apart to unleash great amounts of energy, but that does not prove there are protons within the nucleolus of a material atom!
It is true that on the sun elemental energies are joined together to form denser elements, but that does not mean the current model is correct in explaining what is truly going on! How the sun actually works is still not well understood, and is poorly described by the nuclear furnace model preached to us in school
There is this false notion that because modern technologist are capable of harnessing the fundamental energy of the universe, that this somehow proves our scientific elite have a clear understanding of what the fundamental energy is and how it actually works. In fact our ancestors where able to harness fire, without the faintest notion of what plasma was. They created powerful technologies without any true understanding of the forces at work which made it possible. Our scientist today can channel and harness the power of the elemental forces with a greater degree than ever, but I insist they are not much closer to explaining the nature of energy, as were our primitive ancestors who attempted to explain reality in terms of spirit, magic, and illusion!
There is much more to these differences in philosophical outlook than "meat the eye", and I insist that "how" you view the universe is relevant to how the holy spirit is expressed in the hearts and minds of mankind! The worldview of a man who senses the traces of the holy spirit throughout all the worlds of manifestation, cannot be reconciled with the worldview of those who do not feel the presence of such spirit. Much of this subject matter cannot be translated in terms of Truth, or Proof, and so are sanctimoniously dismissed by empiricist...and so ...for those who understand no explanation is necessary, and for those who do not, no explanation is possible.
As a "Brother of the free spirit", I will not concede to the "Sons of the One Law" nor will I worship at the "temple of Mammon" with the "lords of Belial" nor will I sit ideally by while the scientist begin construction of the great tower of Google, as our world falls under the spells cast by the false prophet of "AI"
These fundamental disagreements regarding the nature of existence have been with us since the beginning of human kind, and will continue to go on as long as there is a free world left standing. The dynamism between such polar opposites is what makes our world go round, and I believe it is more important than ever to have these kinds public discussions, to lay it all out upon the threshold of the great electric brain, so that it can be assimilated into the new wave-field projection realities which make up perceptual and ever evolving creation.
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To dismiss everything in the Secret of Light as a Philosophy without relevance, while propping up mainstream orthodoxy, is just as much of a subjective opinion, as the quantum theory.
There is really nothing to dismiss as this is not a real science.
I find the description of cubic wave fields absolutely fascinating and in my mind it provides a much more tangible view of how energy is transmitted into matter, than the orthodox science which doesn't seem brave enough to even broach the subject with any depth.
I read about it here walter-russell.com/cubesphere and did not understand a single thing. I understand how orthodox science explains it, how to calculate it, and how to build real working things with it. This article does not say how this cubic wave accomplishes energy transmission. What it describes is totally useless in real world as you cannot apply it. There is a short video in there and for almost a year there have been just 216 views! That tells us how many people are actually taking this seriously.
The electric cosmos theory does not claim that Fission and fusion do not exist, only that its not an atomic process, it electrical. The electric bonds that hold the elements together can be broken apart to unleash great amounts of energy, but that does not prove there are protons within the nucleolus of a material atom!
There is plenty of proof. How do you think uranium decays into other elements? Of course Electric universe does not have an answer. And even if quantum computers become a reality I already know what Electric universe is going to say. They will say it is working not because of quantum effects but because of electricity. But they will never explain why. Because they don't have any other tools besides R=V/I which is how modern computers operate (roughly).
here is this false notion that because modern technologist are capable of harnessing the fundamental energy of the universe, that this somehow proves our scientific elite have a clear understanding of what the fundamental energy is and how it actually works.
I have not seen any attempts of modern science even to question the concept of fundamental energy. This is philosophical concept and not scientific.
There is much more to these differences in philosophical outlook than "meat the eye", and I insist that "how" you view the universe is relevant to how the holy spirit is expressed in the hearts and minds of mankind!
Sorry, I have no idea what holy spirit is and what to do with it in a meaningful way.
You are definitely entitled to your opinion. I'm curious if there is at least one real scientist that takes Russels work seriously. I know there is one or two pegging Thunderbolt ideas.
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After spending some time reading articles on walter-russell.com which do not explain much but raise so many questions instead, I found a good analogy in one of the Bogdanov brothers papers.
These Bogdanov brothers wrote a "scientific" paper with a fancy name 'TOPOLOGICAL THEORY OF THE INITIAL SINGULARITY OF SPACE-TIME'. In there they use mathematical and scientific jargon and throwing complex formulas left and right.
Here is a link if anyone is interested. http://cds.cern.ch/record/478699/files/ext-2000-228.pdf?version=1 (http://cds.cern.ch/record/478699/files/ext-2000-228.pdf?version=1)
All scientists who reviewed this paper concluded that it did not explain anything significant and all of it was pretty much junk.
I personally was very impressed with abundance of complex words and math as I did not understand a single thing in there.
So to me this paper and Russel's cubic wave is the same thing as I cannot make any sense in both. Both start with abstract concepts and end with abstract concepts. My instincts naturally tell me to reject things that raise only questions while answering none.
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"I have found out that the real essentials of greatness in men are not written in books, nor can they be found in the schools, They are written into the inner consciousness of everyone who intensely searches for perfection in creative achievement and are understandable to such men only." Walter Russel
The Holy Spirit is that which moves in all of us, and is beyond understanding. Its existence is dismissed, by those searching within the material world for cause and effect explanations, while denying the inspiration behind the creation, which is beyond an observational based consensus.
Simply labeling Ideas inspired by the Holy Spirit which are difficult to understand, as abstract concepts with no value, while using an incomplete material worldview based understanding to compare these incomprehensible conceptual apples with other incomprehensible conceptual oranges, does not negate the value of those esoteric abstractions to those who are able to understand.
All Ideas are abstractions which can be claimed to have no relevance to reality, if one is so inclined toward such insoluble contentions.... Einsteins theories of relativity, space time, mass=energy x light... for example, have been mused upon and used, abused and depended on as the basis for the advancement of theoretical and applied science, and even if the underlying abstractions of these establishment giants, based on non existence particle pseudo-physics are demonstrably false, still the imagination and inspiration of these abstract daydreaming mentations has given rise to all sorts of marvelous illusions and has given shape to our understanding( or depending on your perspective ,misunderstanding) of reality.
Perspective is essential, and those who view things from the top down will not agree with those who view things from the bottom up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG3bFzqCOmo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG3bFzqCOmo)