Paleo Diet: Raw Paleo Diet and Lifestyle Forum
Raw Paleo Diet Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: akaikumo on March 16, 2009, 04:08:15 pm
-
I drink nothing but Perrier. I can't go near our tapwater now that I'm drinking this, even though we have a filter. It tastes awful. I suppose it might be the fluoride. I'd like to move on to better mineral water, but we can get this in bulk at Costco, so it'll do for now. Way better than the filtered tap. Yuck.
Anyway, I noticed, I drink a LOT of water. Between 2 and 3 .5 liter bottles a day, so about 1 to 1.5 liters. Is that "normal", especially for someone small? (I'm about 85lbs).
Granted, I'm not on raw yet and struggle to eat paleo 100%, so that probably increases my water intake, but it still seems like a lot. I'd prefer to drink less for monetary reasons (hah...), as this is pretty expensive and therefore detracts from buying better quality food (still living with my parents).
Just curious how much others drink.
-
I don't drink water as a rule.
Maybe when I'm desperate, happens very rarely.
I depend on coconuts for extra hydration or water melons or papayas or pineapples.
And raw fat and raw meat is hydrating as well.
When I run out of coconuts I squeeze a lemon or calamansi in some water and wait some 2 minutes before drinking.
I subscribe to the idea that humans are not drinking animals.
I used to drink a ton of water and keep peeing all day. Raw fruits and raw meat are superior to being forced to drink water when eating cooked food. In my experience anyway.
-
I don't drink water as a rule.
I don't drink water regularly either only because tap water/bottled water is filled to the brim with crap! I know some prefer bottled water but I just don't trust it. When I used to drink water/bottled water, it all taste the same to me.
I subscribe to the idea that humans are not drinking animals.
I have to disagree here. I don't think there is any harm in drinking well water or water from natural springs if you have something like that near you. That's basic instinct for me. I plan on having a well or two on my farm in PI when I get there eventually. my gf also told me that I can have a pool that's setup where the water in the pool comes from the water in the well or something like that. I was like wow! a pool with natural water also. that's going to be great!
-
I suppose it also depends on whether one is living in a hot country etc.
In my case, I can go for a day without drinking any water, or, at other times, I might drink 2 litres.
I would be wary of drinking too much water. I've heard of some people who've almost died of hyponatraemia because they drank too much water.
-
I drink well water that has been filtered through reverse osmosis (just in case) and sparkling mineral water. The filtered water tastes really good, and our well water tasted good before filtering it. It's nice that we don't have city water that is treated with chemicals, but at the same time, we don't have frequent testing, and well water can change over time. The RO filter was the best $200 investment for peace of mind and better tasting water that we could have made.
I drink maybe 48 oz a day, more in hot summer.
-
from my own experience, as well as my research, i've concluded that what in the us is called "mineral water" is highly deleterious health-wise
on this forum some confusion arises from the fact that the paleo expert is a uk resident whereas many of the forum readers are us residents
why confusion just from changing 1 letter: uk > us?
in the uk, as well as in continental europe in general, all spring water or artesian water is called "mineral water" whether its total dissolved solids (tds) content is high or low; whereas in the us only water w/ a high tds content is labeled "mineral water" -- & usually, w/ a few exceptions, in the us it's water imported from europe or other countries
thus this site is called 'mineral water from the world' since it's headquartered in switzerland:
http://www.mineralwaters.org/ (http://www.mineralwaters.org/)
fyi or amusement here are a couple of quotes from this other site:
http://www.finewaters.com/FAQ/Water_Labeling_Classifications.asp (http://www.finewaters.com/FAQ/Water_Labeling_Classifications.asp)
tds content:
Super Low 0 - 50mg/l
Low 50- 250 mg/l
Medium 250- 800mg/l
High 800 - 1.500mg/l
Very High 1.500mg/l & over
Regulations regarding TDS vary throughout the world. In the United States, bottled water must contain at least 250 mg/l TDS to be labeled as mineral water. TDS above 500 mg/l qualifies a water as 'low mineral content' more than 1,500 mg/l allows a 'high mineral content' label.
Distillation, reverse osmosis, and ion exchange can each remove nitrate from water; several manufacturers offer equipment to apply these techniques to home drinking water. Nitrate is not removed by standard water softeners or filters, including carbon adsorption filters, and boiling water actually increases the concentration of nitrate.
-
I subscribe to the idea that humans are not drinking animals.
I used to drink a ton of water and keep peeing all day. Raw fruits and raw meat are superior to being forced to drink water when eating cooked food. In my experience anyway.
I agree that when eating entirely raw humans probably don't require an extra water source very often. Possibly in drier areas we would. I, for instance, live in Colorado and the air here is incredibly dry nearly all the time. Couple that with a mostly cooked diet and I suppose what I'm drinking isn't really that much. I only drink when I'm thirsty. I did notice that when I drink perrier I pee less often than when I'm drinking the tap water.
from my own experience, as well as my research, i've concluded that what in the us is called "mineral water" is highly deleterious health-wise
Because of it's low mineral content?
Interesting how acidic perrier is, I wasn't aware of that. I still prefer it to tap, but I'm not exactly happy with that.
Little gas (CO2) X
Acidity (PH) 5.46
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) 475 mg/l
Calcium (Ca++) 147.3 mg/l
Magnesium (Mg++) 3.4 mg/l
Sodium (Na+) 9 mg/l
Potassium (K+) 0.6 mg/l
Bicarbonate (HCO3-) 390 mg/l
Chloride (Cl-) 21.5 mg/l
Sulphate (SO4--) 33 mg/l
Fluoride (F-) 0.12 mg/l
Nitrate (NO3-) 18 mg/l
-
I drink well water that has been filtered through reverse osmosis (just in case) and sparkling mineral water. The filtered water tastes really good, and our well water tasted good before filtering it. It's nice that we don't have city water that is treated with chemicals, but at the same time, we don't have frequent testing, and well water can change over time. The RO filter was the best $200 investment for peace of mind and better tasting water that we could have made.
Why th filter for the well water? Well water can change over time but that might be a good thing especially considering you mentioned that it tastes good before filtering it.
I wonder how do you do it? In another thread, you stated you get along without a cellphone and now you also have well water? I thought maybe you live in a rural area but you're an engineer so maybe not. Anyway, I'm just jealous that's all. but I'll get to that point one day as well. ;)
-
Interesting discussion. I believe I read somewhere that carnivores like Lions & Tigers & Bears (Oh My!) drink copious amounts of water - especially after eating. I find that my greatest thirst is after eating as well. Since I'm eating a carnivorous diet, sugar laden fruit juices are not on my list of acceptable foods, so I drink water just like the wild carnivores.
My guess is that I drink roughly 2 liters (1/2 gallon) per day on average. This is driven by thirst alone since there is no nutrient, taste, or other component in the liquid to drive me to consume more than my body needs or to drink when not thirsty.
Lex
-
Thats the same for me too Lex! I guzzle water after eating (like 5 minutes or so) and It's really enjoyable for some reason :D
I did a 12 hour hard day today at work in the heat doing heavy lifting and drank about 600 mls. I'll drink after I eat tonight.
Hey Lex I piss about once a day. Do you?
ps I had to give a urine sample for a drug test last week at a mine where I work. You need to be 'fit for work' so they do random drug tests at the the start of the day and you have to pass to be able to enter the mine site.
My name came up for the urine drug test but I had already had my slash for the day and I had a massive job on so I had coffee and a load of water to make me go. I felt bloated and the water just sat in my stomach...it was horrible it took over 3 hours to go and made me look like I was a drug user and was trying to get out of the test ;D
In my pre raw carnivore days I could easily give a sample anytime anywhere.
I did pass..
-
Why the filter for the well water? Well water can change over time but that might be a good thing especially considering you mentioned that it tastes good before filtering it.
I wonder how do you do it? In another thread, you stated you get along without a cellphone and now you also have well water? I thought maybe you live in a rural area but you're an engineer so maybe not. Anyway, I'm just jealous that's all. but I'll get to that point one day as well. ;)
Well, primaD I was feeling pretty low this winter. I thought it might be vitamin d lacking, so I ate more fish. That didn't do much. I was just not feeling right in a minor sort of way - moody, depressed, etc. It dawned on me that it might be something in the water, like selenium, which does occur in large amounts in some Texas regions. Our water is also very hard here. The last time we tested the water, the only high amount we noticed was copper. Then I also thought about all the natural gas drilling in this area as of late. (This activity has now gone down, as have the prices for natural gas & oil.) Gas drilling can contaminate and/or deplete wells nearby. There is/was drilling within about 1/2 mile or a bit more, but this site is at a lower elevation than my property. So, while I could do extensive testing for most known contaminants - at a cost of about $200+ per test - it made more sense to filter our drinking water by reverse osmosis. RO filters most every problem constituent of water. We have a sediment filter for the whole house as well, and we have to soften the water for showers and stuff or we get stalagtites growing on the faucets (no joke). Fortunately, my husband placed a diverter valve at the softener when he plumbed it in, so we can switch between hard and soft water any time we choose.
Anyway, about the same time a couple months back, a friend of mine gave me all these different seaweeds as she went on a GAPS diet. Well, after a week on the seaweed, I did feel better. Perhaps I needed more iodine. Or perhaps it was the water change. I do not know, but things are good now, and I am happy. I am the extroverted motivator that I always was once again.
My background is mechanical engineering, and I own a very small software business and work out of my home. I am quite eager to develop "green" hardware or microcontroller technologies for consumers in the near future, as I have some good ideas on that front and want to be a constructive force in a sick world. My husband is an electrical engineer. Most of my time now is spent homeschooling my sons. I do live in a semi rural setting on almost 2 acres, complete with fruit trees and laying hens. I can raise any livestock here except pigs. I'd like to try out raising sheep, but it will be a time commitment. Maybe my older son can try it. We may also buy more land in the not so distant future for hunting purposes mainly.
We still do not own a cell phone. We may break down and buy one eventually, but then again, we have survived this long ... DH was once at a IEEE meeting in the 1990s where the founder (iirc) of Motorola said he did not use mobile phones any longer as he developed a head tumor from one. They transmit microwave radiation over vast distances, which requires much power any time the device is on. So if you wouldn't cook your food in a microwave oven, why would you put a smaller, less powerful microwave transmitter next to the soft tissues in your head? The answer for most people is that they don't think about the em radiation, just like they wouldn't think much about walking in front of an active radar on an aircraft sitting on the flight line, even though their gonads will get fried to some extent by doing so. People can't feel it, so they ignore the fact that wireless devices, like laptops, can adversely affect their health. Distance is key too; the closer you have the device to your body, the worse the effects. So if you keep your awareness and distance, that is good. I think children should be banned from using most wireless devices altogether, as they do not understand the risks (nor the underlying science).
So did I hear that you are Korean? I love Korean people, food and culture. My son and I, both Taekwondo Jidokwan black belts, may try our hand at learning the Korean language before we test for 2nd Dan.
I am just rambling on and on here!
-
I can raise any livestock here except pigs.
I presume because of the smell and your neighbors, right?
So did I hear that you are Korean? I love Korean people, food and culture. My son and I, both Taekwondo Jidokwan black belts, may try our hand at learning the Korean language before we test for 2nd Dan.
We love you too! :-* I don't know about the culture part though. I have Korean mom/black dad (former military) and that still doesn't go over so well with some but whatever. Ever been to Korea? (Seoul) Fun place, you should visit since you love us so much! Korean is a pretty hard language to learn from what I've been told... i'm pretty fluent from speaking with my mom and I also went to Korean school at our church growing up but you can do it if you want though..
-
I think children should be banned from using most wireless devices altogether, as they do not understand the risks (nor the underlying science).
This is the main reason I plan on majoring in engineering when I start college in couple of months. (electrical I think) I want to learn how everything works and how to build EVERYTHING. A lot of the time it's not the fault of the children though. Almost all of the foundational knowledge that one needs to fully understand the technology of today is hidden, intentionally kept secret. I want to learn how to build a computer from scratch and I do mean from scratch literally. I mean starting from wood or some kind of natural resource I can find in the wild and eventually end up with a fully functional computer or laptop or whatever. Out of all the computer science professors that I know, none of them possess this knowledge. Sad. Someone knows this info but is hiding it. I aim to find this secret info.
-
0 to 2 gallons a day depending on activity and heat.
Anyone know the cheapest way to test for mineral content/contaminants in well water?
-
I didn't know much about rabbit starvation so I was looking it up and on the wikipedia page it says:
# The ammonia released during the process of converting amino acids [from protein] into glucose cannot be cleared by conversion to urea unless enough water is consumed to void it. The buildup of ammonia or urea is poisonous.
Made me wonder if the reason we and other animals get thirsty after eating meat is because of this.
-
I didn't know much about rabbit starvation so I was looking it up and on the wikipedia page it says:
Made me wonder if the reason we and other animals get thirsty after eating meat is because of this.
You could be right. I have to drink after a meal of meat and fat and dogs will do the same thing.
What would kill a person first? just eating protein or starvation?
I'm thinking protein.
-
I agree, protein I imagine. It even mentions that in the article.
-
I found this interesting about oxygen
Oxygen is a nutrient that can saturate the blood, but cannot be stored. Thus it is crucial that we constantly provide our bodies with sufficient oxygen. Oxygen carries nutrients around the body, provides us with energy and kills bacteria, viruses, even cancer cells. 100 million years ago the atmosphere of the Earth contained 30% more oxygen than it does today. We evolved in a higher oxygen environment than we find ourselves today, partly due to pollution, partly due to natural changes between the Earth and the Sun.
http://www.watershed.net/What-iw-hdfm.aspx
Nicola
-
This oxygen theory is nonsense, IMO. I mean we've evolved in a lower oxygen environment in the last few millions of years. Sure hundreds of millions of years ago our dinousar-like ancestors lived in a high oxygen environment but we've evolved beyond that point long since.
-
I think it's a cellular need not an organismal need, oxygen.
-
I drink a ton after I eat, and as thirst dictates.
What kind of water are you all drinking? What is optimal?
-
I prefer mineral water from natural springs. The more alkaline the better - I really like PH 7.8 to PH 8.4
-
I prefer mineral water from natural springs. The more alkaline the better - I really like PH 7.8 to PH 8.4
I agree. Alkaline waters taste so much better. Softer and sweeter. Buy glass bottled when you can.
-
I prepared only as I can drunk as I can,,that's the way i drink water..
_________________
Cuno Filters (http://www.ep-filters.com/)
-
For me atleast 12 glass a day.
_________________
Refrigerator Water Filter (http://www.filter-outlet.com)
-
oh boy...
-
not more than 1 gal/4 liter per day
the quotes which follow are taken from:
http://www.freshpure.com/faqs.html (http://www.freshpure.com/faqs.html)
"There is much controversy about minerals in our drinking water. As a species, humans evolved consuming surface water found in streams, rivers and lakes. Surface water is naturally low in minerals. When humans began to dig deep wells, they tapped into groundwater with a much higher mineral content. These minerals exist in a form and quantity that the body cannot easily absorb. Consequently, they tend to build up in the organs and tissues, instead of being utilized by the body. FreshPure™ RO Water contains only trace levels of minerals (typically 5-20 ppm), similar to the low levels found in fresh surface water.
"Optimally, the minerals needed by the body are obtained from either a diet rich in whole foods, or through food-based supplements."
"TDS, or Total Dissolved Solids, is the total quantity of dissolved chemical solids (usually mineral salts) in water, measured in ppm (parts per million). Municipal water supplies typically contain up to 800 or 1000 ppm. .... The lower the TDS, the more pure the water. FreshPure™ Waters RO Water contains only trace levels of minerals (typically 5-20 ppm). FreshPure Waters™ DI Water has virtually no TDS at all."
in europe, all waters that come not from water surfaces (rivers, lakes) but from underground (spring, artesian) are called "mineral waters" -- whereas in other countries or areas of the planet, however, only waters high in tds, hard waters, too overloaded w/ inorganic minerals to be healthy are labeled "mineral water"
so: take your pick, the choice is yours -- every1 = an individual
"The pH of FreshPure™ varies with the chemistry of the incoming municipal water supply. Generally, reverse osmosis filtration tends to lower the pH of water. This pH becomes naturally balanced once the water contacts your intestinal system."
personally, i drink deionized tap water: it does not smell or taste like tap water at all, it's like rain water in fact
most of it, though, i don't drink as is but structure w/ hawaiian sea salt in 2 versions as follows:
(a) black hawaii sea salt w/ added volcanic material to drink away from food (raw meat = food for me) since its alkaline ph (8.6) could lower the stomach acidity thus getting in the way of digestion
(b) red hawaii sea salt w/ added clay to drink right before, during, or after food (ph = 6.6)
every1 = an individual > some1's food = some1 else's poison
-
I drink about 1/2 a gallon of mountain valley spring water per day, bottled and delivered in glass. Awesome water
http://www.mountainvalleyspring.com/
-
I drink nothing but Perrier. I can't go near our tapwater now that I'm drinking this, even though we have a filter. It tastes awful. I suppose it might be the fluoride. I'd like to move on to better mineral water, but we can get this in bulk at Costco, so it'll do for now. Way better than the filtered tap. Yuck.
Anyway, I noticed, I drink a LOT of water. Between 2 and 3 .5 liter bottles a day, so about 1 to 1.5 liters. Is that "normal", especially for someone small? (I'm about 85lbs).
Granted, I'm not on raw yet and struggle to eat paleo 100%, so that probably increases my water intake, but it still seems like a lot. I'd prefer to drink less for monetary reasons (hah...), as this is pretty expensive and therefore detracts from buying better quality food (still living with my parents).
Just curious how much others drink.
Well, I think I only drink 8 glasses a day. People will oblige to drink because water is our life. And we should drink clean and pure water.
_________________
Ge mwf (http://www.filter-outlet.com/product.php?product=113699)
-
For me it depends upon the situation.
_________________
Refrigerator Filters (http://www.filter-outlet.com)
-
I'm in GA right now where the humidity is like 90%. I drank 8 ounces yesterday and even less today. 2 weeks ago I was in Las Vegas drinking at least 1 liter sometimes 2 every day. I dont like drinking that much water, but I gotta. Adding a little salt helps quench thirst a little better for me.
-
For meat least 8 glasses a day. :)
_________________
Refrigerator Water Filters (http://www.filter-outlet.com)
-
Very nice discussion. I have learned a lot. Before, I just drink less than 3 glasses a day after I eat..But as I read many articles, I love to drink plenty of water..
Thanks for the nice information...
Sports News Headlines (http://www.ichatsports.com/)
-
My water intake depends on the day. One day I can drink as much as 3 litres and the other as little as 0,5 litre
When the weather is hotter and more humid then, of cource, I drink more.
I practically always add a little bit of Himalayan salt, which is one of the best salts on the Earth. Adding sth to water makes it better to absorb.
-
I drink a ton after I eat, and as thirst dictates.
You may want to drink more before you eat. It weakens digestion to drink after meals.
-
l)to satya, you choose to live a life just what i dream. god bless you!!! i'm sure you're an amazing mother to home school your children, checking their diet, doing gardening and having your own little business at home...that's the way we all also want to live. if you don't mind, can you just tell us which state you are living now? did you plants all those fruit trees by yourself? can you send us a picture of your garden? keep up these good works. thanks.
-
water is life. we all know that we can live without food for some times but not without water. i really like the answer of GS. he drinks the best quality of water which is coconut water. also he choose the watermelon... instead of those greedy money making water companies' water. GS, again you're a very lucky man living in Philippine, here, it will cost you fortune. my son drank green coconut water for straight 2 yrs.
-
l)to satya, you choose to live a life just what i dream. god bless you!!! i'm sure you're an amazing mother to home school your children, checking their diet, doing gardening and having your own little business at home...that's the way we all also want to live. if you don't mind, can you just tell us which state you are living now? did you plants all those fruit trees by yourself? can you send us a picture of your garden? keep up these good works. thanks.
Satya left the forum some months ago. She is now on the zerocarbage.com forum.
-
i really like the answer of GS. he drinks the best quality of water which is coconut water. also he choose the watermelon... .. my son drank green coconut water for straight 2 yrs.
If candida is not an issue, I agree that fresh coconut water is a wonderful means for hydration. Congratulations on giving your son this for 2yrs! I wish I could afford to do the same for my son when he progresses onto foods/drinks other than breast milk. I would consider Dr Martins green coconut water but it's too expensive to rely on alone. This is supposedly raw. Does anyone else drink this commercially available green coconut water?
Watermelon? From what I understand this is too high in fructose and not a healthy food! Of course, gs may be more adapted to such foods being from the region in which they grow - as long as they're indigenous and not genetically manipulated like most modern fruits.
-
Satya left the forum some months ago. She is now on the zerocarbage.com forum.
Satya left the zerocarbage forum some months ago.
-
Satya left the zerocarbage forum some months ago.
Oh really, I'm not surprised. She seems to enter and leave forums, one after the other, after only a few months each time. I think it's partly because she's a "lost soul", constantly searching for the "Truth". Why did she leave zerocarbage.com? Did she annoy Charles by going against the rigid dogma there?
-
any thing in carton or can should almost always be suspect of being pasteurized, I am speaking about the mentioned coconut water.
-
any thing in carton or can should almost always be suspect of being pasteurized, I am speaking about the mentioned coconut water.
Yes, ordinarily I wouldn't consider touching anything in 'packaging' but I had being in contact with Dr Martin about their product and he assured me that it received no heat. I still don't drink it myself due to candida but my partner does occasionally (not that she's raw!). I was wondering about giving it to my 6 month old son.
Oh really, I'm not surprised. She seems to enter and leave forums, one after the other, after only a few months each time. I think it's partly because she's a "lost soul", constantly searching for the "Truth". Why did she leave zerocarbage.com? Did she annoy Charles by going against the rigid dogma there?
I've noticed a few comments from Satya on the PaNu blog. I admire her for dedicated efforts for finding the diet that's right for her and, by accounts of her physical prowess, she certainly seems to be doing something right. I did notice a decline in her benevolence towards the end of her time on here and I'm not sure if it was due to issues with some of the members of this forum or a more general tendency towards growing intolerance and anger. It's a shame as I thought the forum was a better place with her a part of it.
-
I would consider Dr Martins green coconut water but it's too expensive to rely on alone. This is supposedly raw. Does anyone else drink this commercially available green coconut water
I got the following from the detoxyourworld website describing Dr Martins coconut water. I wonder if they think coconuts remove bacteria or if it is that they think that man can remove bacteria without pasteurising. If it were raw, they propose it's still raw after mailing it around the country? When I chopped open coconuts I drank it immediately. I did for a few weeks buy it in gallon containers, but I was then too where they grow and the people at the tiny store where I bought it gathered and opened them themselves and I drank it all within a couple hours.
100% raw organic coconut water, 500ml.
Price: £2.99
Code: F0097
We've found it virtually impossible to get organic young (jelly) coconuts in the UK, so we were so happy when we discovered this product. It tastes almost identical to fresh green coconut water. It's naturally preserved because the bacteria are removed.
-
coconut water ferments very quickly. In India they make an alchoholic drink out of it within days. It will even tend to go off in the intestines if digestion or food combining is poor. I really doubt that it hasn't been heated.
-
I always drank it on an empty stomach. It's all I had till I served dinner. I didn't eat dessert either nor midnight snacks. It was all I drank, so I really did need the approximate five and a quarter quarts I drank a day. The weather was very hot.
-
coconut water ferments very quickly. In India they make an alchoholic drink out of it within days. It will even tend to go off in the intestines if digestion or food combining is poor. I really doubt that it hasn't been heated.
I got the following from the detoxyourworld website describing Dr Martins coconut water. I wonder if they think coconuts remove bacteria or if it is that they think that man can remove bacteria without pasteurising.
As RawZi mentioned in her quote, they claim that it doesn't ferment as their 'special' filtering process removes the bacteria responsible for it. I don't see why that would be so difficult or require heat. I have a water filter flask that I take on hiking/camping trips. It's carbon filter filters down to 15 nanometres and, therefore, physically does not allow to pass ANY bacteria (with the smallest bacteria being 200 nanometres) or ANY viruses (the smallest virus being 25 nanometres). The technology has been available for this for some time now.
If it were raw, they propose it's still raw after mailing it around the country?
Shipping it around the country isn't ideal, of course, but many of us could say that about a large proportion of the raw foods we consume. Certainly, I have all of my grass-fed meat products delivered by courier.
-
Shipping it around the country isn't ideal, of course, but many of us could say that about a large proportion of the raw foods we consume. Certainly, I have all of my grass-fed meat products delivered by courier.
From my experience, plant products, especially liquid, are not as stable as animal products. I have bought raw organic coconut water ijn the mail several times. One of the times it made someone very sick who drank it. No doctor was involved, and they did recover fully from the coconut water reaction, but I would be careful of using shipped raw coconut water for a person who is weak to begin with. Maybe for us it would be fine. We eat RAF. We are stronger.
-
From my experience, plant products, especially liquid, are not as stable as animal products. I have bought raw organic coconut water ijn the mail several times. One of the times it made someone very sick who drank it. No doctor was involved, and they did recover fully from the coconut water reaction, but I would be careful of using shipped raw coconut water for a person who is weak to begin with. Maybe for us it would be fine. We eat RAF. We are stronger.
Sorry to hear of your friend's bad reaction to it RawZi. Could that incident be unquestionably due to the coconut water or is there the possibility that something else may also have been involved? Was it the Martin's brand with the bacteria removed? I could understand that - if not stored under the correct conditions during transit - the lack of 'good' bacteria as well as 'bad' may predispose the water to potential contamination.
-
Could that incident be unquestionably due to the coconut water or is there the possibility that something else may also have been involved? Was it the Martin's brand with the bacteria removed? I could understand that - if not stored under the correct conditions during transit - the lack of 'good' bacteria as well as 'bad' may predispose the water to potential contamination.
Thank you. There was something wrong with the coconut water when it arrived. It was not Martin's. It was packed well, made in small batches, shipped overnight, shipped out just after being made etc etc. I believe there was pathogenic contamination and their body couldn't handle foreign microorganisms well.
-
:Di usually buy whole young green coconut from ethnic stores (grown in florida) around $2 each. the hardest part is to chop them up to open. i came from coconut country where my grandma's home has a huge coconut garden. the difference is those coconut has thin shells and loaded with divine water where in US grown coconut has thick shells and less water in it. so definitely quality wise this is not good buy. i never purchase any coconut that in shaved shell or in a can . i just don't trust them. i used to make coconut water kefir which is very delicious for my baby. some whole food in west cost sell them and they are extremely expensive.
about the watermelon, which is another extremely good anti aging fruit. i'm talking about home grown heirloom watermelon come with seeds. once in summertime, with watermelon fasting, it gives the body the sweet aroma ultimately and it just makes to feel so good entirely. i also prefer the cucumbers to consumes.
-
Homegrown heirloom watermelon may be an entirely different food to those to which I refer. If it works for you raw - enjoy! :) The Dr Martins coconut water is the ONLY way of obtaining green coconut water here in the UK, sadly. It is from fresh, organic green Philippine coconuts, I believe, has not been heated and has been 'preserved' by filtering out the bacteria with a special carbon filter.
Your experiences show the dangers of relying on 'packaged' foods RawZi but, I suppose, such contamination may also be possible from fresh coconuts?
How I wish I had a coconut garden at the back of my house! 8)
-
When I relied on coconut water as my sole drinking water source, it was all fresh, mostly coconuts I picked myself. I never got sick from it. Once they are opened, contamination can get in. Opening them myself cuts out the middle man and who knows what else. right? Also, the middle man (when my buddy got sick), I got the water from did not live near where coconuts grow.
raw- Are the Florida coconuts dipped? If so, do you think the pesticides or formaldehyde could get into them if not careful?
Could Martins have chemicals to kill the bacteria? Has anyone information? Like has anyone visited their manufacturing plant?
I have gotten packaged juices that were raw. I think they had to be sold within three days. They're illegal where I live. They have to be fresh made or pasteurized somehow. Good luck with all the irradiation and such they try to do to our fruit. It's amazing they put radiation waste in food.
-
When I relied on coconut water as my sole drinking water source, it was all fresh, mostly coconuts I picked myself. I never got sick from it. Once they are opened, contamination can get in. Opening them myself cuts out the middle man and who knows what else. right? Also, the middle man (when my buddy got sick), I got the water from did not live near where coconuts grow.
raw- Are the Florida coconuts dipped? If so, do you think the pesticides or formaldehyde could get into them if not careful?
Could Martins have chemicals to kill the bacteria? Has anyone information? Like has anyone visited their manufacturing plant?
I have gotten packaged juices that were raw. I think they had to be sold within three days. They're illegal where I live. They have to be fresh made or pasteurized somehow. Good luck with all the irradiation and such they try to do to our fruit. It's amazing they put radiation waste in food.
rawzi/ you amazed me with your knowledge... wow!! i always enjoy to read your replies. rawzi, honestly, i don't know what they do with their coconuts, but certainly they are way poor quality than the coconut i consumed in my grandma's place. only thing is they are the whole green coconuts. so the out look don't scary like any coconuts i know out there. and i will not buy those coconuts from any other countries even they say it's organic. once my uncle asked me that if he can shipped young coconuts directly to me. but shipping costs is way more expensive than the coconuts and in my belief i should consume locally what's available for me. it's just waste of money to buy them.
-
once my uncle asked me that if he can shipped young coconuts directly to me. but shipping costs is way more expensive than the coconuts and in my belief i should consume locally what's available for me. it's just waste of money to buy them.
Coconuts are botanically a fruit. Many fruit and flowers legally are mandatorily dipped in chemicals or hot water, sprayed with chemicals etc before they can legally enter our country here in America. Even animal carcasses that were not imported are scalded to get fur off, so if we eat skin it's not totally raw. It's a smart move not to buy imported fruit for the above reason. It's like the old tax trick. Highly tax imported products, and people are forced to use local. The only problem I see for myself, because I already chose local as that's natural what early man would do, is that they don't warn people, and that can be seen as crimnial negligence. Of course it's not criminal negligence, as they write the laws pretty much, so that's the way it is.