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Title: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: surfsteve on October 28, 2018, 08:01:07 pm
Just under a month ago I started experimenting with a raw carnivore diet.

What has started out as an experiment might just be turning into a lifestyle.

I'm starting this thread in an attempt to find out what specifically I might be lacking in my diet and what most other people who try it also might be lacking. I'm looking for suggestions of what (if anything,) might be a good idea to add to one's diet, that isn't carnivore, in order to make it more healthy.

As a rule meat has less than what most people require of a lot of minerals and some vitamins. Specifically vitamin C, magnesium and potassium come to mind.

Since I've tried carnivore my back aches have significantly diminished along with other aches and pains. My mood has been the biggest improvement. I've had more energy and have been requiring less sleep. On the down side I've noticed a cramp in my hamstrings and an ache in my heel that have developed on the same side that my back (in the kidney area) was hurting on, and it hasn't gone away. If anything it's gotten slightly worse. I've been analyzing my diet and I think maybe it could be caused from a lack of magnesium and potassium. I also thought I was lacking in vitamin C but have recently found out that sweetbreads, AKA thymus gland, contain plenty of vitamin C. In fact 6.2 ounces of beef thymus contains 100.75 percent of the recommended daily allowance of vitamin C. I eat between 4 and 12 ounces a day of the stuff so I'm in the clear when it comes to vitamin C.

This evening I added some additional potassium and magnesium to my salt but I've been adding less and less salt to my food lately finding I don't crave it as much as I used to since I first started going carnivore. I also totally quit all spices. I used to use a terrific amount of spices on my food but found it to be quite a bit easier than I expected it to be to quit them. (When I first went carnivore I used way more salt to make up for the lack of spices but the craving only lasted a couple of days) The only exception to carnivore I've been doing is one or two tablespoons of wheatgrass juice powder daily. I thought this might be enough minerals but like meat, wheatgrass is also not supplying me with enough potassium or magnesium, (or vitamin C), at least according to the recommended daily allowance; so I'm up in the middle of the night writing this post and adding some of my salt mixture to a glass of water. Maybe the extra potassium and magnesium will do the trick!

Is it possible I'm still going through an adjustment phase? Another thing that comes to mind is that I'm not strictly using grass fed which would be nearly impossible at my location, not to mention the cost would break me. Who here has tried carnivore and what were (or are,) your results?
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: TylerDurden on October 28, 2018, 10:32:23 pm
Raw meat contains vitamin C.
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: van on October 28, 2018, 11:11:20 pm
wouldn't think of not using grass-fed only.  Your choice. But I'd take a paper route to supplement income if I  had to.   In my opinion, you're overeating, if you're still eating five pounds of meat a day. Even Shawn Baker who is huge and works out like a fiend, eats around four pounds. And most in this field think he overeats.     Too often we think more is better.  But how about eating as little as possible, ensuring that everything you put in your mouth is utilized completely.    Some think that excess protein cause mineral imbalances, not to mention stress on the body.   Liver, which I know you do in copious amounts solves my cramping.    But taken in excess, or more than the body needs and wants, I have no idea as to the resultant.  Again, by blending your foods, you will never know how much in the moment your body is desiring.   That's why I continually point out here, that to learn to listen to your body, to let it tell you what it needs as opposed to you telling it what you think it needs, one should take a bit at a time of fresh (unfrozen) meat/food at a time and see if you do indeed want another.
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: surfsteve on October 28, 2018, 11:58:13 pm
Raw meat contains vitamin C.

Yes but very little. I spent 20 minutes preparing a post but the system ate it when Van cross posted somehow. According to the charts I was going to post which were a breakdown of the meats I eat, beef steak and muscle meat contains zero percent, which means less than a half a percent of the RDA of vitamin C. Like I said in my post before, beef thymus contains the most vitamin C. Lucky for me I eat a ton of it. The reason I do it, which is unproven is because I suspect eating thymus will keep me young because only young animals have a large thymus. If I recall correctly, in humans the thymus is the largest around the age of 5 and then starts shrinking. By age 50 it is only 10% of the size it was.

As meats go Salmon is also very high in vitamin C. A single serving of salmon comes in at 12% RDA. This was the second highest meat source I could find. It stacks up poorly against the thymus gland though, (AKA sweetbreads.)

Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: surfsteve on October 29, 2018, 12:12:51 am
wouldn't think of not using grass-fed only.  Your choice. But I'd take a paper route to supplement income if I  had to.   In my opinion, you're overeating, if you're still eating five pounds of meat a day. Even Shawn Baker who is huge and works out like a fiend, eats around four pounds. And most in this field think he overeats.     Too often we think more is better.  But how about eating as little as possible, ensuring that everything you put in your mouth is utilized completely.    Some think that excess protein cause mineral imbalances, not to mention stress on the body.   Liver, which I know you do in copious amounts solves my cramping.    But taken in excess, or more than the body needs and wants, I have no idea as to the resultant.  Again, by blending your foods, you will never know how much in the moment your body is desiring.   That's why I continually point out here, that to learn to listen to your body, to let it tell you what it needs as opposed to you telling it what you think it needs, one should take a bit at a time of fresh (unfrozen) meat/food at a time and see if you do indeed want another.

The nearest source of fresh, grass fed, organ meats is over 150 miles from me. Taking on a paper route would not solve my problem. The nearest news paper is equally as far. Only selling all my properties, relocating and changing ocupations would enable me to eat fresh organ meats. More  than likely doing so would leave me homeless and destitute. Your advise is about as stupid and useless as telling someone stranded on a deserted island the same thing!
(https://www.google.com/maps/vt/data=ao1q9lg0aBR5HHZAZKMDXAM-iB3FZjxwj-ejVOhpSTMZpA_2WW5vQH708Fe8sG_j9Ly7I9qLluYgQnIQyiQCnC8DgxOTCUTCWHpXRR_G6SmwOCaDsnKUbm-KnoekBInkoiroPllMzzgJFrw4)
PLEASE NOTE. THE SCARS ON THE LAND ARE NOT FARMS. THEY ARE MADE BY HEAVY EQUIPMENT, MINING FOR MINERALS, ON A DRY LAKE BED. Trona is the location where over 90% of the worlds borax comes from! Nearly all of the large buildings in the satellite image belong to the processing plant for the minerals. 2/3rds of the tiny dots that are houses are abandoned. Most of the town is located near the plant. The other thing that looks like a town in the lower part of the image is mostly abandoned. The things that look like trees are mostly dead. Even cactus has a hard time growing here. The nearest small town with a Walmart and a few grocery stores is located 30 miles from me in a town that is supported exclusively from a very large military base. If not for the base there would not be another town for a hundred miles. As I said before the nearest real city is about 150 miles away! You can't even buy a fresh vegetable here and only frozen, processed junk meat is available locally. Thank god I can buy real meat in town near the base!
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: Grey-Cup on October 29, 2018, 12:27:53 am
Raw carnivore is nutritionally complete. Your requirements for vitamin C are satisfied even without sweetbreads as long as you have a variety of organs.

You should abstain from salt and any added minerals. The amount of salt required is closely related to carbohydrate consumption. Because absorption of glucose requires sodium, which enterocytes can only obtain from the lumen of the intestine. If you eat a lot of carbohydrates, you need salt. If you do not eat carbohydrates, you have enough salt in the blood of raw meat. If you are cooking meat, you must add salt.

I follow raw carnivore PKD. 80% fat by ratios. Too much protein even raw will make you sluggish.
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: Grey-Cup on October 29, 2018, 12:31:59 am
wouldn't think of not using grass-fed only.  Your choice. But I'd take a paper route to supplement income if I  had to.   In my opinion, you're overeating, if you're still eating five pounds of meat a day. Even Shawn Baker who is huge and works out like a fiend, eats around four pounds. And most in this field think he overeats.     Too often we think more is better.  But how about eating as little as possible, ensuring that everything you put in your mouth is utilized completely.    Some think that excess protein cause mineral imbalances, not to mention stress on the body.   Liver, which I know you do in copious amounts solves my cramping.    But taken in excess, or more than the body needs and wants, I have no idea as to the resultant.  Again, by blending your foods, you will never know how much in the moment your body is desiring.   That's why I continually point out here, that to learn to listen to your body, to let it tell you what it needs as opposed to you telling it what you think it needs, one should take a bit at a time of fresh (unfrozen) meat/food at a time and see if you do indeed want another.

Agreed, I did not realize health improvements until dropping my meat consumption to 1lb break-fast and .5lbs dinner. I only eat twice a day to maintain weight or would eat once a day otherwise. Upping fat was essential to achieve this reduction in food intake.
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: van on October 29, 2018, 12:55:41 am
The nearest source of fresh, grass fed, organ meats is over 150 miles from me. Taking on a paper route would not solve my problem. The nearest news paper is equally as far. Only selling all my properties, relocating and changing ocupations would enable me to eat fresh organ meats. More  than likely doing so would leave me homeless and destitute. Your advise is about as stupid and useless as telling someone stranded on a deserted island the same thing!
(https://www.google.com/maps/vt/data=ao1q9lg0aBR5HHZAZKMDXAM-iB3FZjxwj-ejVOhpSTMZpA_2WW5vQH708Fe8sG_j9Ly7I9qLluYgQnIQyiQCnC8DgxOTCUTCWHpXRR_G6SmwOCaDsnKUbm-KnoekBInkoiroPllMzzgJFrw4)
PLEASE NOTE. THE SCARS ON THE LAND ARE NOT FARMS. THEY ARE MADE BY HEAVY EQUIPMENT, MINING FOR MINERALS, ON A DRY LAKE BED. Trona is the location where over 90% of the worlds borax comes from! Nearly all of the large buildings in the satellite image belong to the processing plant for the minerals. 2/3rds of the tiny dots that are houses are abandoned. Most of the town is located near the plant. The other thing that looks like a town in the lower part of the image is mostly abandoned. The things that look like trees are mostly dead. Even cactus has a hard time growing here. The nearest small town with a Walmart and a few grocery stores is located 30 miles from me in a town that is supported exclusively from a very large military base. If not for the base there would not be another town for a hundred miles. As I said before the nearest real city is about 150 miles away! You can't even buy a fresh vegetable here and only frozen, processed junk meat is available locally. Thank god I can buy real meat in town near the base!

most of my meat/fat comes via ups.   The paper route notation was only an inference to how important I believe grass fed is.  Check out a feedlot sometime, and you might come to the same conclusion.  And if you do, and if you can, Smell one of the cow's breath.  That is if you can discern it from the abysmal stench that permeates around you.  Small ranchers can fatten cattle on grain while they are grazing at the end of their life cycle, but true feedlots are a different animal, and that's where ninety percent of low price meat in discount stores comes from.
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: surfsteve on October 29, 2018, 01:12:06 am

I think my craving for salt was an adaptation period as well as my craving for 5 or 6 pounds of meat a day. I've since cut down to around three pounds a day. Funny thing was that I actually lost a few pounds while eating that much. I have since gained it back and then some. All of it muscle. I look a lot more muscular than my avatar. The dark circles under my eyes have also been gone for quite some time.

What do you guys think about the need for extra potassium and magnesium on a carnivore diet? My symptoms have greatly diminished since taking some last night. Might just be something I need temporarily.

I think I'm going to stick with the wheatgrass too. On the days I didn't take it I didn't feel as good. My intend has been to gradually introduce foods back after being exclusively on meat. So far wheatgrass is the only additional food I crave.

Van: How do you get fresh meat delivered via UPS? I would think it would be high meat by the time it arrived. Is it packed in dry ice?
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: van on October 29, 2018, 01:21:23 am
not dry ice, just ice packs and styrofoam insulation.  Three day fed x, or if near by reg. ups is normally overnight. 
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: surfsteve on November 02, 2018, 02:05:24 am
I've noticed since I went carnivore and cut out all supplements that my muscles got really tight and stiff. I also had an ache in my heel that feels as if there is something crystallized or some calcium where it doesn't belong in there. In an attempt to correct this I thought maybe taking some digestive enzymes and vitamin C might help. It did but gave me diarrhea and super stinky bowel movements. I also started taking more magnesium and potassium but not that much in my opinion to cause diarrhea. I thought maybe it might be temporary and kept taking the supplements but it didn't change. I even tried eating some veggies but this didn't help. This morning I took some betaine HCL and it disappeared almost instantly.

Very strange that I have to supplement to get rid of the tight muscles and then take another supplement to get rid of the side effects from the first batch of supplements. Got to wonder what's going on there!



Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: surfsteve on November 02, 2018, 03:06:58 am
I'm thinking maybe the enzymes fed a bunch of pathogens while at the same time feeding me and that boosting up my HCL killed them. Been also thinking maybe I could cut out the enzyme supplements if I ate papaya and pineapple but then there's all that sugar! Going back on lemons might help with the HCL instead of the betaine. I dusted off an old can of pineapple juice and put it in the refrigerator last night and am contemplating if I should open it or not. For the short term I think I'll stick with the supplements. Maybe there's a few of them that would benefit me long term, but I feel better not taking them as opposed to all the ones I was taking when I was on them. Moderation? Just some thoughts...

Was also thinking of what Van said about grass fed. That he wouldn't even think of eating anything else? The actual wording of not thinking has me a bit concerned. I'm sure you didn't mean it that way but could it have actually been a Freudian slip?

Was also thinking of Bear. The carnivore who was a sound engineer for the Grateful Dead. I read a lot of his posts a few years ago on a forum and he sounded like a really healthy guy. But then I saw a video of him and he looked like death. I swear if he hadn't died a year or so later in an automobile accident he probably would have dropped dead anyway. Even Shawn Baker doesn't look that good for his age. Could it be that these guys are eating a cooked diet?

At this point I'm thinking that an omnivore diet is optimal. Instead of believing vegetables are good for me and that I should be eating as many of them as I can; trying the other extreme has led me to believe that I should only eat as many as I crave and that there's nothing wrong with using meat as a staple. It could be that vegetables aren't all they are cracked up to be but even cats and dogs, which are supposed to be carnivores, will eat grass if they are sick. If anything it  seems like we were meant to be omnivores.  Though I was eating near carnivore when I was in the best shape of my life in April, something made me get off the diet. I'm on the verge of approaching being in that good of shape again and instead of blowing it, I want to hang on to it this time!

I just had a funny thought about my craving for reconstituted wheagrass juice. Could this be mimicking what cats and dogs do when they eat grass?  I don't know if I should continue taking digestive enzymes but I do feel that I need the betaine HCL. I'm not sure if there's something lacking in my diet or if it's just because I am so old that my digestion isn't what it used to be.

I've also been thinking about the times I've been in the best shape of my life. It seems like the same thing always happens to me. That I over exercise and get a flu like symptom that caused pain and my muscles to cramp up. Yeah. Maybe the betaine HCL will fix that. I don't think the digestive enzymes are a bad thing either. If I could figure out a natural diet that would enable me to not need all that stuff I would but for right now this is the best I can think of.
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: van on November 02, 2018, 04:19:48 am
read about excess protein and it's effect.  Yes, pumping in lots of protein will help show gains in the gym.  I wouldn't let that guide my food choices,, unless that was the most important thing in my life.   I'm lucky, I get local fresh fat that is incredibly good tasting.  I experiment with eating more fat and less protein.  that ratio changes as I become more fat adapted which also means I digest fat pretty easy now. 
   The Bear and I had some email exchanges.  That guy was a hot-tempered nut in my opinion.    And yes, many think that Sean Baker eats too much protein.  Watch him eat a steak, and notice how little fat he's consuming,, and all cooked to death. 
   But I read fat is where animals/we store toxins.  So again, to be consuming grain-fed beef where that animal has stored all the glycosides and other Monsanto created toxins in its' fat, to me, that is asking for trouble.
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: surfsteve on November 02, 2018, 07:25:06 am
Hmm. I've probably been consuming less fat since starting a carnivore diet. I used to use plenty of olive and coconut oils. I think I might try adding them back and see what happens. Good point about toxins being stored in the fat. I been going for more fatty cuts of meat since experimenting with carnivore. I'm going to ask all my butchers and see if they can order grass fed tallow. There's a company in Los Angeles that sells it pretty cheap but they were out every time I asked for it. One thing that might be good is if I went back to eating grass fed muscle meats, which I can afford and only compromising on the organ meats, which I wish were available. It sounds funny but eating salads used to give me a lot of fat because of my home made dressings.

Anyone here make their own mayo? I just started making it again before going carnivore. I use it as a base for my dressings. I'm thinking maybe I could make some fat based dressings and sauces to put on meat.

Speaking of fat. There's a good chance that all the fat I've lost since going carnivore may have been flooding my body with toxins. Adding all these toxins to the ones in the fat from conventional beef and it could be a recipe for disaster.

I will keep searching for grass fed organ meats but I don't think it would be a good decision to stop eating organ meats if I can't get them.

So to recap: less protein, more fat, less conventionally fed fats, more olive and coconut oils, no more feed lot muscle meats, only cheaper grass fed cuts bought in bulk when on sale, eating vegetables only when I crave them but not forcing them because of the belief they are good for me, keep eating wild caught salmon and shrimp and no change in organ meat consumption. In the mean time I will keep using only supplements I feel are necessary on a conservative basis with the desire to eliminate them if possible. To add to this I think it would be a good idea to keep spice consumption to a minimum and that it was probably what was causing me pain in my kidney area.

Sounds like a good plan to me!
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: surfsteve on November 02, 2018, 08:37:32 pm
I did some thinking and I don't think it's a good idea to become dependent on digestive enzymes.

Here's a link on their side effects

https://www.livestrong.com/article/327136-digestive-enzyme-supplement-side-effects/

and this one is excellent about foods to eat in order to get your digestive system working on it's own.

https://lifespa.com/digestive-enzymes-the-hidden-dangers/

If the link is to be believed you'll be digesting like a 20 year old in no time.  I have plenty of olive oil and was already mentioning that I should start taking it in my last posts. Lemons are also mentioned. I opened a can of beets (oh no he ate some cooked food!) and made a pot of cinnamon stick tea last night. Woke up feeling pretty good this morning. My urine was dark, colored and foamy. I presume from the beet juice. Looking back, perhaps I picked up a parasite in a bad piece of raw meat I was eating. Na. I think it was probably a side effect from the digestive enzymes I was taking. Who knows? I think I'm going to definitely end eating pure carnivore and keep adding more and more veggies back in till I accidentally ingest something that was bothering me or causing inflammation. My guess is that I was eating too many sprouts and way too many spices.

I think I will probably keep my diet base on carnivore but will eat a fair amount of vegetables to push out the toxins from the meat I been eating and the fat loss I been experiencing. 

In conclusion I think that there are some plant based foods to keep your digestive system running optimally that you wont get on a pure carnivore diet. Sill not convinced I need any fiber and that many vegetables have toxins designed to keep themselves from being eaten. At this point I think it would be best if I looked at meat as food and plants as medicine; something which you need on occasion but can be very bad if you take too much.
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: surfsteve on November 04, 2018, 01:45:57 am
If grass fed fats are unavailable what do you guys think about substituting olive oil and coconut oil in their place over conventional tallow or lard?
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: TylerDurden on November 04, 2018, 02:13:11 am
They would be a poor substitute, imo. RVAFers often complain that raw olive oil does not really keep, being full of processed PUFAs, and coconut oil is also processed - I happen to get awful stomach-aches from eating any raw coconut oil, yet seem to be OK with eating raw, unprocessed coconuts. I am rarely in such a situation, but my preference would be  avocadoes and nuts like walnuts or brazil nuts for sources of fats. If I were in a permanent grassfed-free/wild game-free  situation, I would probably buy something like the mealworm-producing LivinFarms product, or,more likely, make my own cheaper product.
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: surfsteve on November 04, 2018, 02:15:49 am
I just had my first heart meat smoothie in a long time. Man did it ever hit the spot!

I don't know why I stopped making them... Oh yeah, because I used to make heart meat jerky. I no longer consider dried meat to be raw. Technically it is but it's nutritional content based on the way it makes me feel is exactly like cooked meat. So in my book I consider dried to be just as bad or worse than cooked. Same thing goes for pepperoni only much more so.

Yesterday I bought 10 pounds each of ground tripe, ground kidney and ground beef heart. Spent an hour and a half dividing them all up into quarter pound balls, putting them into plastic bags, smashing them flat; then putting them into larger bags and labeling them before putting them into my freezer. I also do the same thing with thymus and rocky mountain oysters, except I slice them about a quarter inch thick with my slicer while still slightly frozen. Luckily I can buy calves liver already packaged and sliced so I don't have to do anything to it besides breaking it up by whacking it on the counter before dumping it in my new Ninja blender with some water!
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: surfsteve on November 04, 2018, 02:31:40 am
They would be a poor substitute, imo. RVAFers often complain that raw olive oil does not really keep, being full of processed PUFAs, and coconut oil is also processed - I happen to get awful stomach-aches from eating any raw coconut oil, yet seem to be OK with eating raw, unprocessed coconuts. I am rarely in such a situation, but my preference would be  avocadoes and nuts like walnuts or brazil nuts for sources of fats. If I were in a permanent grassfed-free/wild game-free  situation, I would probably buy something like the mealworm-producing LivinFarms product, or,more likely, make my own cheaper product.

Thanks for your input Tyler. Unfortunately that wasn't what I wanted to hear but what I totally expected.

I think there's plenty of fat in tripe, liver and thymus but not enough in heart, kidney and Rocky Mountain "oysters".  Also I can only get grass fed hamburger in 15% or less. I would like it to be much more.

I agree with you on the avocados. I used to eat a ton of them and should probably go back to eating more. I am surprised to hear you recommend nuts. I always thought they contained a lot of protein, which I am trying to consume less of. About the same ratios as meat.

If you had to make a choice between virgin coconut and olive oils or adding more conventional raw tallow to low fat meats would you still give the same advise?


Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: TylerDurden on November 04, 2018, 05:31:23 am
Nuts contain a large amount of fat a lot more than the protein in many cases, eg:-

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/foods/walnuts#section1

https://www.verywellfit.com/brazil-nut-nutrition-facts-calories-and-health-benefits-4114227

The key with nuts is to always soak them in water for 24 hours before eating them as that lowers the antinutrient-levels in them.

I would not recommend any of those. Of course, I am biased as  my body simply cannot handle raw suet, however grassfed it is(tallow is the cooked/rendered version of suet). After eating raw suet, I, within an hour or so, have to go to the bathroom where I deposit very yellowy stools. This suggests to me that my body finds the stuff abhorrent and refuses to absorb the stuff.
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: surfsteve on November 05, 2018, 01:03:06 am
Maybe I should reconsider nuts. I used to get terrible colds sores from them but I've been immune lately. Looked up pecans my favorite and they are even higher in fat than walnuts. I was surprised to find they didn't have nearly as much protein as I thought. Quite a bit less than meat. Almost forgot what you said about soaking them. I never tried that.

Going to read up on a couple links I found before posting this:

https://wellnessmama.com/59139/soaking-nuts-seeds/

https://blog.radiantlifecatalog.com/bid/69542/That-s-Nuts-A-Complete-Guide-to-Soaking-Nuts-and-Seeds

Ahh! Salt, Soak, rinse and DEHYDRATE! I remember you saying to dehydrate them before. Got some walnuts and pecans soaking now. The site says 7 hours so after that I will put them in the dehydrator. It says up to 150 degrees in the dehydrator. I will probably go for the high 90's

Hope this works out for me. I would like to start eating nuts again.
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: TylerDurden on November 05, 2018, 01:06:11 am
Err, no, I never said to dehydrate them. That must have been someone else. I doubt that dehydration does anything but harm the food. After all, one primary benefit of raw foods is that they have a much higher water-content, thus enabling better digestion etc. I also would never recommend salting as I get very nasty, very alien-like reactions to anything more than a tiny pinch of salt at a time. And, last I checked, 24 hours were needed, not 7, in order to reduce the enzyme inhibitors and mineral blockers present in the seeds and nuts, the idea being to stimulate germination.
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: surfsteve on November 05, 2018, 01:38:16 am
I will try them both ways, unless they all get eaten before they make it to the dehydrator. I suppose I could refrigerate them to keep them from going bad once I soak them. Unfortunately I am using broken pieces of nuts so this project was compromised right from the start. Will try some whole ones next time. I've had these for quite a while and they need to be used up anyway. I noticed that even after an hour of being soaked the taste has improved. Might even give sprouting them a try but nuts out of their shells won't really sprout. Soaking them and letting them rest for a bit after they've been soaked couldn't hurt though. I'm not big on dehydrated foods, even though I have 2 excellent dehydrators. The idea of eating soaked nuts appeals to me. So if they are good that way I will probably just refrigerate them like I mentioned.
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: van on November 05, 2018, 03:07:44 am
more like 24-48 hours, and rinsing often.  Small pieces are already rancid, where anyplace the skin of the nut is removed.  Nuts out of shell most likely have been heated to expedite shelling.
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: TylerDurden on November 05, 2018, 03:38:32 am
more like 24-48 hours, and rinsing often.  Small pieces are already rancid, where anyplace the skin of the nut is removed.  Nuts out of shell most likely have been heated to expedite shelling.
I wish a study was made about this. Until now, I understood that mainly cashews, and a lot of seeds, were exposed to significant heat prior to shelling, but little else. I would like to know if some nut-types can be de-shelled without heating. I had thought that walnuts could be deshelled without heating, just using nutcrackers....
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: surfsteve on November 05, 2018, 04:00:40 am
Seems to me like it would be better to treat them like sprouts for 48 hours, only soaking them for half a day and then rinsing them every 12 hours. To be honest they tasted better the first hour of soaking and now I can taste the rancidity. Oh well. If I throw them away, I throw them away!
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: van on November 05, 2018, 06:25:55 am
I think the idea is that heating them, to what temp?, dries them out, so that they crack easier..   But the biggest problem is that once cracked, especially walnuts, they go rancid.    This is nut season, so one can go online and buy them in shell in bulk.   I did that when eating nuts..  Huge difference when soaking for two days, rinsing often. 
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: thehadezb on November 05, 2018, 07:19:55 am
What are you trying to eat nuts? Most nuts are seasonal and if you are planning to eat some its better to eat just a few handfuls during a short period of time.

There is always a possibility to obtain animal fats. Butter, suet, marrow, muscle fat, egg yolks, pork fat, etc. I don't suggest any vegetable oil or fat for nutritional reasons because they are poorly absorbed and can cause GI issues.

I recommend you to maintain your potassium and magnesium supplements. The reason is that in the past animals where more active and vigorous, so their muscles needed more potassium to maintain their level of activity. In that case human beings were able to obtain their needed amount of potassium too. The same thing is with soil and water.

Best potassium supplement is potassium citrate powder. Best magnesium supplement is magnesium malate, not powder. potassium citrate is the natural form of potassium in nature. Magnesium malate is easily absorbed by the body. We need potassium to produce the right amount of acid in our stomachs.

You don't need organ meats too often. Just do a refeed every month or so. Liver is enough. But you need omega-3. Grass-fed fat has it, but also so eat fish or brain just to avoid deficiency.
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: surfsteve on November 05, 2018, 11:44:02 pm
Van: It sounds like you don't eat nuts anymore. May I ask why? I soaked mine till I went to bed. Then I rinsed them in a colander and left them there. This morning I transferred them to a tupper dish and put them in the refrigerator. They taste fine this way and I think I will try rinsing them like sprouts every twelve hours in the colander for an additional day or two with some fresh whole nuts next time but I don't want to press my luck with these broken pieces.

To thehadezb: I totally agree with you on needing additional magnesium and potassium. The salt I soaked my nuts in and use on everything else is actually not salt at all but rather 3 parts Celtic sea salt, 2 parts potassium chloride and 1 part magnesium gluconate.

For some reason the nuts taste like they've been cooked. I think this is because the soaking process has removed all the toxins present in raw nuts, similar to the way cooking does. Only difference I hope, is that none of the other detriments associated with cooking have been affected. In fact the vitamin and nutritional content has probably been improved similar to sprouting.

For some reason the rancid taste is now gone. Could be that I just don't notice it or maybe (unlikely) it has been rinsed away or consumed by other microbes?

I like the idea of treating nuts as if they were sprouts. I can taste that they've also absorbed some of the minerals I soaked them in. If I were sprouting I would be trying that with my sprouts. I wonder how much salt mixture I could soak them in and still get them to grow?

These nuts really hit the spot. I'd probably get sick of the if I had to eat them every day but I think I'll keep them in my diet for now. Funny. I never cared for raw nuts before I tried soaking them. I always considered cooked nuts to be junk food. Not much better than potato chips! I think this is a step in the right direction.

I also think that I am going to eat whatever I want as long as it's healthy; but only as much as I want. I'm no longer going to force myself to eat something I don't want just because it's good for me! Looking back that is probably a sign of my body telling me to cool it! 

So here I am on a carnivore based diet of 50 to 75% organ meats: Bending all the rules! Supplementing with sea salt, potassium and magnesium. Eating as many vegetables as I want; along with soaked nuts and a little fruit, the kind that stimulates the production of bile. I'm also eating no more than a can of beets per day and drinking the juice from the can because it tastes good. I'm sure it would be better to cook fresh beets but I've grown lazy since I stopped cooking and it's so easy to just open a pop top and start eating them and they only cost 50 cents a can. If I had to cook them I'd probably just eat something else. I also drink a little cinnamon tea and no more than one cup of black coffee a day. You can nit pick me because most of the meat I eat comes out of a blender; but I think I'm following my instincts. I feel vibrant, healthy, happy and look many decades younger than my actual age. If I knew how to do better with the resources available I would; but I'm doing the best that I can!
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: van on November 06, 2018, 12:38:24 am
simply experimenting with pure carnivore. My desire taste wise stopped also. Yes, where the broken edges are, that's where the highest concentration of rancidity is.
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: surfsteve on November 06, 2018, 04:33:14 am
I didn't know you were also  still experimenting with carnivore. How do you like it? How long has it been? Do you feel like you are lacking anything?

If I had to sum up where I'm at it's: treat meat as food and vegetables as medicine. Not sure where nuts are yet; whether they should be eaten liberally as food or sparingly as medicine...

Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: van on November 06, 2018, 09:34:49 am
Been pretty close to Carnivore for some years.  but now, maybe nine months.  Too early to really tell.  Playing with ketone levels, amounts of food eaten, meal timing, meal frequency, organs, need for minerals if at all, types of water to drink..   One has to find their own way, it's so easy to hear of someone doing amazingly well and think, That's it!    Ask me a year or two.   
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: surfsteve on November 07, 2018, 02:02:19 am
Do you do any intermittent fasting? Being near carnivore has curbed my hunger and I naturally want to only eat once or twice a day. Although the first few days I was ravenous wanting to eat everything in sight it quickly subsided.

I ate an entire pound of soaked nuts yesterday. This morning I had a mild back ache in the kidney area like I used to do normally that quickly went away within a few minutes after I peed. I had zero back pain for the past few days prior eating mostly organ meats.

All I have left is some slivered almonds that I soaked yesterday. They are nasty. Will throw them away once I buy some fresh nuts. Nuts are extremely affordable costing just a tad more than conventional meat per pound but after they are soaked they nearly double in weight. Once I started eating them yesterday I was really craving them. Probably the most nuts I ever ate in my entire life. I can't wait to buy some fresh ones. Got a feeling that I will get tired of them and only eat them occasionally in the future. Time will tell. Thanks Tyler for suggesting them! I had no idea they would taste so good. Much, much better than conventional nuts.

I also ate a lot of wheatgrass juice powder yesterday. I got near the end of a bag and instead of using a spoon I just dumped it in. Oops! Could also be the reason I had a kidney back ache this morning. I also noticed a diminished strength at the gym yesterday. Not sure why. Could be totally unrelated. Wheatgrass juice normally gives me an increase in strength. I feel strong this morning so if anything it was probably all the nuts I ate. My body definitely isn't used to them. My gut definitely appreciates the fiber though!
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: thehadezb on November 07, 2018, 05:20:52 am
Have you think about trying coconut? I've seen that is one of the less problematic vegetable fat. I mean whole coconut, not oil. You can juice it if the fiber is being problematic. It also can be sprouted.
I'm still saying that is better to source animal fats.
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: van on November 07, 2018, 07:13:52 am
you can shred whole coconut and suck the juice out.  A fair bit of carbs though.  And by extracting the juice with your mouth it's interesting to see how quickly one's taste for it diminishes,,, as opposed to juicing it and throwing it down the hatch.
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: surfsteve on November 13, 2018, 07:30:52 am
I feel regular from the fiber in the nuts but I've definitely noticed a decrease in strength lately and feel it's due to them. I also started getting a cold and have been taking lots of monolaurin which seems to have kept it from manifesting. I felt better on a meat only diet with wheatgrass juice. I noticed since I been eating lots of nuts I haven't wanted organ meats nearly as much.

My pain in my heel and tight hamstrings went away. I don't know if it's from adding potassium and magnesium or maybe the fact that I got some athletic supports in my shoes. Could even be coincidence. One thing that seems to be consistent is mostly organ meats with a little wheatgrass juice seems to do me right. I think adding potassium and magnesium to my salt is also good and using plenty of it on my meats, though I don't care for it on raw meat; only when I slightly cook it. Will probably use up all the nuts I bought and stop taking them. Also nix the canned beets and go back to a carnivore, mostly organ meats, supplementing with wheatgrass juice diet. I think I only perhaps need a miner tweak to that diet and feel like I've instead taken a sledgehammer to it!
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: norawnofun on November 13, 2018, 08:45:25 am
Nuts can be very different. If I were you I would try pecan and macadamia instead of any other nuts. When I did my research about nuts I found that these 2 seemed to be the best. Pecan is moderate in phytic acid but high in fats, in this study it also had the lowest amount of fungal presence https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4444134/ Macadamia is very low in phytic (you should only soak them for very short time like 2 hours not to spoil the oils), low in PUFA and very high in fats, plus macadamia has omega 7. Both seem to be good for the brain, and have a good nutritional profile. When you look at almonds the world´s main place of production is california in the states. I once saw a video how they treat that huge piece of land where they grow their almonds. They pesticide the shit out of it, killing the bees along the way. Watch the documentary "More than honey", it´s VERY interesting and mainly about bees, but they also show how the almond production works. So you will understand that you should buy them organic only. Furthermore both macadamia and pecans are very soft, when you grind them the oils come out nicely, so due to that softness I found they were easier to digest than other nuts on low HCI in my glorious plant based days... and you could try chestnuts or tigernuts as well, the latter is a tuber and high in minerals, the first is high in carbs but can aid digestion a lot.
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: surfsteve on November 13, 2018, 09:17:16 am
I been mainly doing walnuts and pecans. I think I like them soaked longer, like a day or two. Turns them dark brown and gives them a good flavor. I ordered some organic sproutable almonds. The ones from the grocery store wouldn't sprout. Soaking them didn't make them taste good at all. They should arrive tomorrow. Enjoying a beef heart smoothie while writing this. Just finished a liver one before.

The six organ meats I eat are

liver
thymus
balls
tripe
heart
and
kidney.

My least favorite is kidney. I just started eating kidney and heart again. Heart is really a muscle meat and I like the taste of steak and hamburger better but I think it's a lot more nutritious. Has ten times the coQ10 whatever that does. I used to make heart jerky but I don't think it's as healthy that way so I stopped eating it.
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: norawnofun on November 13, 2018, 04:48:28 pm
Im 4 months into a cooked/raw carnivore now and some days ago I did a blood test. Total cholesterol was a bit higher, HDL was way above the norm and LDL slightly higher, but it seems thats not bad. I found this video specifically interesting regarding LDL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj7ldyKQnRA&fbclid=IwAR2rfjL3gX8zsfeIx-q-3FCZpdkA9kQnPe_4_gx4h7tKtQXyE4wGvapuLRg. One blood marker went up a bit but that might have other reasons. So it all looks good it seems, considering I don´t touch fruits nor veggies, except maybe 5 cheat meals consisting of potatoes and some other things which are in sauces. My main food now is beef and chicken, previously lamb as soft as possible. For some reason I am put off by fish. Since I am doing well, except digestion takes energy as I think I lack the probiotics, I don´t think I am lacking anything on carnivore. After all its the best diet of all the ones I tried. I do sometimes think of other foods, but greens are definetely not one of them. I don´t want to mess up things again. It´s incredible what this diet, even the cooked meat version, did to my low HCI. Before I had huge problems digesting meat, now my HCI went way up. You might try having no veggies, nor juices at all. Pure animal products. Your HCI might then get back to normal without your HCI tablets.
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: surfsteve on November 14, 2018, 12:11:41 am
I've got a whole bunch of nuts I've been soaking and I'm debating on whether to eat them or just throw them away and go back to strict carnivore ASAP. I feel very similar to the way I did when I was eating lots of vegetables and sprouts. Only fish I regularly eat is salmon. Low mood, low attitude and a slight cold that would be a lot worse if I weren't supplementing with monolaurin.

I like canned sardines and herring if I'm going to cheat or some pickled herring that has sugar in it once in a while.

As soon as I get back to my regular diet I am going to make micro changes only to it. Perhaps add back lemons. Or maybe supplement with minerals and play around with some herbs I used to take in the form of tea or  used to add to my smoothies.
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: surfsteve on November 16, 2018, 12:17:09 am
One thing I've noticed going back to 99% carnivore is that I make ten times less shit. It seems like this is not enough to account for the vegetable matter alone and that the nuts and vegetables were not only passing through undigested but that they were possibly preventing the meat I was consuming from being digested as well. I've also noticed that I have a much better mood and feel better physically too.

The main thing I'm concerned about is my body handling all the uric acid it produces from all the organ meats I eat. One solution would be to eat less f them, especially the ones like thymus sweetbreads that are known for producing uric acid but sweetbreads also contain a ton of vitamins like vitamin C. I've started eating more heart which resembles muscle meat more than it does organ meat, so that will help.

I've always believed that vegetables helped get rid of the toxins that were in meat but I been watching a lot of videos suggesting this may be the other way around and that it is the vegetables that contain toxins in an attempt to keep them from being eaten. Looking back I suspect that the phytic acid, even though it was reduced by soaking nuts, may have been preventing me from absorbing all the nutrients in the food I had been eating with them.

As far as lacking anything I'm not convinced that a carnivore diet is lacking in vitamins, I've seen a lot of videos that suggest that the vitamins not listed in the nutritional profiles is often not because they are not in there but because they are not tested for, but it is probably lacking in minerals. I like salt and I love the idea of adding extra minerals like magnesium and potassium to it. When you think about it these are salts anyway. Yesterday I tried sipping a cup of "salt water tea" in hopes that it would curb my craving for cooked meats. For some reason I only like cooked meats salted and do not care for salt in my raw meat smoothies. I also think it might be a good idea to lightly salt the water I drink during work outs. Salt is the original electrolyte. Perhaps I should be taking advantage of that. Us people that work out also sweat out a lot more minerals than the average person so if anything, by eating only meat I'm probably lacking in minerals and electrolytes. Though the same could be said about a plant based diet as well. I imagine that when early man lived by the sea he got plenty of minerals but as he moved further and further away he got less and less of them.   

So. Could a carnivore diet be lacking in electrolytes? I imagine vitamins too if you are eating only muscle meats.
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: surfsteve on November 16, 2018, 01:42:24 am
One thing that concerns me about consuming so many organ meats is all the warnings about gout.

Looking back I think that my heel and hamstring pain were more likely caused by too little potassium and magnesium than anything gout related such as too many organ meats. Gout is usually a severe pain and mine was only a slight annoyance. It also could have been caused by not wearing the athletic shoe inserts that I usually wore and weren't wearing at the time. I'm going to continue my insanely high consumption of organ meats with caution. I feel their benefit outweighs the risk. If anything I had drastically cut down my consumption of magnesium and potassium by going raw and not eating cooked foods and the salts I normally consume with them. The depression and lack of energy I experienced from eating more nuts and vegetables was far worse than the minor cramps I had while on a mostly organ meat, carnivore diet. Going to see how I feel increasing my salt and mineral content and see if it does the trick on a carnivore diet while continuing to cut out all other supplements...

Wish me luck!

Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: norawnofun on November 16, 2018, 03:03:47 am
Preventing the meat to be digested is the key word I think. That is one of the reasons why I wanted to give the carnivore diet a try. In my own experience alkaline veggies and acidic meats do not go together well in one meal, provided you have digestion problems. I used to eat like that and I could never properly digest my meats, and I used to drink a lot of freshly squeezed vegetable juice aside of that. When eating way too many plant foods my stomach acid became so weak that the only way out of that was to eat strictly carnivore to get back what the plant foods took away.

I am regularly on the world carnivore tribe fb forum and all the time the questions you have pop up there. Which are lack of Vitamin C, Magnesium deficiency, Electrolytes and Salt intake on a carnivore diet. When you go through the articles and opinions readers post there, it is concluded that the Body does not need much Vitamin C on the Carnivore diet, since the whole metabolism chances. There are quite some people that take magnesium and electrolytes as supplements, and the general consent is that salt is vital if you eat cooked foods, otherwise things like cramps (as you mentioned) and heart palpitations can occcur. And most of the people there eat cooked, there are some raw carnivores as well but it generally seems that you need more salt if you eat cooked meats. I mean there are people there which eat strictly cooked beef, salt and water. Nothing else, and they healed all their health issues. I think the microbiome is changed in such a way that it can heal whatever made you sick, but the only downside is that whenever these people do cheat, the consequences can be very heavy.

I eat plenty of Salt, drink big amounts of raw dairy, quite a lot of water since I cook my meats, have mainly beef, so I don´t think I´m lacking any of the things above, the only thing that I am almost certain by now is that I am lacking certain bacteria to digest the food. I lost too many for various reasons, so that´s why I am currently experimenting with probiotics supplements and prebiotics such as inulin. The more dairy, honey and fats (in form of lard which has no lectins) I eat the more energy I have, the better digestion works, the better sleep I have and the faster I gain weight. If I don´t eat any raw dairy I can´t digest anything. Bacteria is everything. If you don´t have them get them back in there. Focus on the gut first, that´s at least my opinion after all I read and experienced.
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: surfsteve on November 17, 2018, 02:50:11 am
Yes. I think the nuts and vegetables I was eating were preventing me from absorbing the nutrients in meat.

I just got through watching a video that said vegans have significantly smaller brains. The study was done in modern times but the video also noted that modern man's brain size is also a lot smaller than early humans dating all the way back to Neanderthals. Since the advent of modern agriculture our brains have been shrinking! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obCZ9z0xLBE

My high consumption of organ meats gives me plenty of vitamin C. Just a little over half a pound of sweetbreads provides 100% of the RDV, more than any other cut of meat, and since I consume them raw I get 100% of that, not 50% which is what is left after cooking. Still concerned that I'm not getting enough magnesium or potassium on such a diet. Yesterday I supplemented heavy with salt electrolytes, putting them in my drinking water. For some reason I slept 12 hours. Extremely long! Could it be the magnesium? Also skipped going to the gym. Didn't feel like working out. Woke up feeling good though. No back pain in the kidney area like I've been having lately. My current theory is that it was lack of minerals, especially magnesium and potassium that's been causing my ankle and leg cramps and that it has nothing to do with the purines from eating too many organ meats so I'm going to try going with that theory and see how it pans out. I've also read that eating organ meats can put stress on the kidneys but my experience tells me the opposite is true and it seems the more organ meats I eat the better my back seems to feel. Who do you believe?
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: norawnofun on November 17, 2018, 03:13:04 am
I am pretty sure the magnesium helped you sleep. I know that some people take mag sprays in order to calm down during the night and have a restful sleep. You can also apply that spray topically for any muscle cramps, spasms and what not. And the indication for your cramps is very common when you lack these minerals. 12 hours seems a lot, last time i slept that long is when i got totally smashed :D Also goat milk seems to help when it comes to back pain. But I guess dairy is out for you. I don´t have much experience with organ meats, except bad ones. Digestion was a disaster when I ate sweetbreads and liver, raw and cooked. I am certain it´s because of the connective tissue. It was too hard for my low HCI to break that tissue down. So I stay away from organ meats. High liver might work though, in one of sv3rige´s videos I saw it became very creamy.
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: surfsteve on November 20, 2018, 03:41:17 am
I agree that the magnesium probably helped me sleep better but I wonder if instead of adding more if the idea of cutting out salt instead would eliminate the need for it. I imagine it's more complicated then that. Hmm I wonder if topical magnesium like you suggest would do the trick. I've also hear vitamin D can be applied that way.

Been doing good on strictly carnivore. Gave up coffee and adding any salt to my food since mentioning it a few days ago and it's been pretty easy so far though it hasn't been that long.

Was craving a cooked steak or maybe a can of sardines this morning but after I had my first raw organ meat smoothie, which was liver, the craving was gone. I had a few other kinds of organ meat smoothies after that and I feel like they made the craving for something cooked worse.

The day of my last post I had a night time craving for something cooked and gave in with cheese and pepperoni.  The next morning, (yesterday) my back hurt. Several hours before the cheese and pepperoni I ate a can of sardines which seemed to set off even worse cravings. When I awoke Yesterday my leg cramps were back. I ate no cooked food what so ever yesterday and experimented supplementing with magnesium and potassium before bed time. It got rid of the cramps but I felt kind of sick to my stomach afterward. I felt great this morning except for the cravings for cooked food I had. I wonder if maybe the supplements I took had anything to do with them but I suspect it was more to do with the cooked food I had the day before yesterday.

It almost seems like the more I give into cravings, the stronger the cravings get.
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: Grey-Cup on December 19, 2018, 11:56:11 pm
Surfsteve I seem to have high uric acid levels and related symptoms, I was eating a fair bit of thymus and pancreases before last test, these have highest level of purines. What are your levels like?
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: surfsteve on December 22, 2018, 02:43:47 am
I've moved past nuts, both raw and soaked. They do not seem to agree with me on a diet of optimal health. I've been eating at least 95% carnivore with 50% of that being raw organ meat, 25% grass fed or wild caught. My only concern is the 25% rib eye and New York steaks, cooked blue, often still cold in the middle, that I buy for way less than grass fed hamburger or lamb burger. The other day a store had grass fed lamb chops for 5$ a pound. I bought all they had. Went back the next day for more to fill up my freezer only to find out it was a one day sale. Had I known I'd have gotten a rain check!

I been feeling fantastic. Not only working out to the max but working like crazy at my job and knock on wood, still holding everything together!

Almost forgot. Been ditching olive oil and coconut oil for butter. Can't afford grass fed. Why I had been using virgin olive and coconut oils in the past...
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: surfsteve on December 22, 2018, 02:50:27 am
I'm still undecided.  Which do you guys think is better? Regular butter or the olive and coconut oils? Sorry the fat from nuts didn't work out. I just didn't feel right on them...
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: thehadezb on December 22, 2018, 04:47:50 am
I told you nuts are not good fat sources and that coconut would be best if you will otherwise consume nuts.
Regular butter, olive oil and coconut oil are not optimal but if I would have to chose one I'll go for extra virgin coconut oil.
Olive oil is not optimal for regular consumption and regular butter is probably full of toxins and anti-nutrients for the feed and other bullshit that is given to the cows.
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: van on December 22, 2018, 11:03:33 am
you could get Keri-gold from Ireland, good tasting, probably low amounts of grain given and or organic butter, where you're not ingesting Monsanto grains.
Title: Re: What if anything, might I be lacking, on a carnivore diet?
Post by: surfsteve on December 25, 2018, 12:17:37 am
Local supermarkets don't sell Keri-gold. I stocked up on 10 pounds of Land o Lakes that was less than half price. From watching videos it seems that dairy cows are fed some grain but mostly hay and have a pretty good diet compared to feed lot cattle. I may go back to coconut oil and olive oil. It's not set in stone. If I buy butter on sale and freeze it, it's a lot cheaper.


I been eating more and more wheatgrass juice powder.

Got triple coupons for pineapple making them 25 cents each. Cut one up yesterday and it wasn't as good as I remembered. It seems wheatgrass and cinnamon tea really kill my taste for sugar. Had some peppermint tea over at a friends house and it was much better than I remembered. Planning on starting back up on that too. I remember consuming it last April when I was in the best shape of my life.

I think it's best to only consume vegetables when I crave them and not because I think they are healthy for me. There's something to be said for appetite.  I also don't think consuming meat shakes is as bad as you make it out to be. Maybe you'll want to much at first but I feel my body has long adjusted and signals me when I've had enough.