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Title: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: a_real_man on June 21, 2019, 11:28:04 am
I get the impression from the forum that long-term raw zero/low carb causes health issues. Is that accurate? If so, is it true for everyone/most/few?
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: TylerDurden on June 21, 2019, 12:05:05 pm
A number of previously fanatical RZCers have stated that they had developed certain issues on such a diet and had to incorporate some raw plant foods. My take on this is that the Inuit, who have been eating RZC for millenia, apparently have overly large livers which would more easily help process the excess animal protein involved. I , myself, have tried RZC and, while I had a number of initial benefits, I swiftly developed a lot of health-problems after 21 days of doing RZC. I suspect the reason for that was that I ate too much raw animal food in general, even though my fat: protein ratio was pretty high.

Of course, due to genetics/epigenetics, some individuals of a non-Inuit origin might be just as able to handle a RZC diet.
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: surfsteve on June 21, 2019, 10:44:21 pm
While I don't get serious health problems I seem to not want to do zero carb longer than a few weeks. Who knows? Maybe if I'd kept going I would have experienced problems. I just recently came off a raw zero carb diet. I think it's a great thing to do for a bit to “reset” my metabolism after eating cooked and junk foods but I been adding fruit and a few vegetables the past week or two.

Also stopped working out during that same time period I was junking out. (Actually a long time before that.) Hard to believe the aches and pains I was getting. I've only been working out for the past two weeks. I noticed a huge decrease in pain when I started back on my raw diet a month or two ago, and a further decrease when I started working out.

It's weird but even if I add into account all the aches and pains from working out I seem to get way more reduction in general aches and pains. I'd also have to say that when I add the benefits of diet to the benefits of working out it falls far short of doing either one alone. It's more like the benefits of health, mental well being, strength and assertiveness are multiplied by diet plus exercise and not simply added to each other. Yeah I'd have to say it's more like diet “times” exercise...

I just have to make sure not to over do it while exercising. It seems I steadily improve and then hit a barrier and the improvement stops. Maybe I should just come to terms and recognize my limit and not try and force myself to go beyond it. I'd have been way ahead if I'd done that in the past. Instead I overdid it, injured myself and went backwards in every aspect due to the frustration.
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: van on June 22, 2019, 01:15:51 am
go to the internet and look at the various sites where carnivores and zero carb eaters post.  You won't find much success stories here, as most who post simply  haven't experimented to the depth needed to discover what is possible. 
    Zero carb diets NEED healthy fats, and lot of them,,   and many are realizing organ meats too, but not everyone agrees on that one.
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: Qondrar_The_Redeemer on June 22, 2019, 06:34:01 am
I've been eating 100% raw carnivore/zero carb for years now, and I haven't had any problems in a long time. To be honest, I'm not even sure when's the last time I ate anything that's not meat (that includes other animal products such as dairy and eggs). Obviously by "meat" I generally mean various organs, muscles, fats etc... As much of the animal as is possible. I'd say striking a good balance between fat and protein, not overeating or undereating, experimenting with different animal species, always trying to get good quality meat if possible (grass-fed, wild-game, organic, raising your animals potentially etc...), eating different organs, muscles and fats, and just in general experimenting to see what works best for you.

Both fat and protein are probably the most important things, getting a good amount of both is very important. Not having enough of either one is going to cause problems, while overeating (which is more difficult to do with protein in my opinion) can cause nausea or diarrhea in the case of fat. I'd say organs, while not as important as those, are still a very good addition as they contain much more nutrients than muscle ever does. Liver is probably the best one overall nutrient wise, but every organ is good for something. Brain is good for Omega 3's, the thyroid gland is good for iodine, blood/spleen is good for iron, bones/bone marrow is good for calcium etc...

As far as different animals are concerned, I don't see a problem with eating the same or similar species, although it's good to experiment from time to time. Maybe try some fish, lizards, fowl, insects... perhaps eggs or fish roe as well. Beef, lamb/mutton, sometimes wild animals such as deer etc... is what I usually eat.

Quality is also important, even more so when raw. I've noticed a sharp difference in taste between healthy and unhealthy animals, and unhealthy animals are certainly not nearly as good taste wise raw as healthy ones. That's not the only problem, of course, healthy animals don't just taste better, but they have more nutrients and their meat doesn't contain some of the junk they used to eat, to name some differences.

I don't know what you consider long-term carnivore/zero carb (as in how many months or years), but I will say that I've never had any problems with Zero Carb itself (some small adjustments are made from time to time, such as how much of this and that I eat). Perhaps the transition might cause a few problems, but I would say that in general and extreme diet change can cause that. I've also not felt the need to eat anything but meat for a long time now. I'm not fanatical about diet, and I have nothing against other foods, but as long as this is working better than everything (at least for me), I don't see a problem with it.

Perhaps the people on this forum that had problems with it did not find the right balance of fat and protein, organs and muscle, different animals etc...? Perhaps they truly do better with plants, I cannot say. I am not sure if I agree with Tyler that people with overly large livers will do better on a carnivorous diet, although it is possible. My theory is that given enough time, the body would adapt to be better able process larger amounts of protein and fat, regardless of genetics/epigenetics (except perhaps in some extreme cases). I also agree with Van and as I said previously, fat is very important. Eating pure or almost pure fat such as bone marrow is a great way of getting a lot fat. And as Van also said, look up some sites where there are more carnivores if you want more detailed information from different people. Most are not raw, although I did see there is a rawzerocarb subreddit on reddit now, as the normal zerocarb one banned talking about raw meat. Perhaps check out a few of the carnivore youtube channels as well.

Having said that, I think that everyone needs to experiment and see what works best for them. While I do think people should try out different diets for at least a few months, if not a year at minimum (barring any serious problems, of course), you should always do what's best for you. If you do better with some plants or mostly plants then that is what you should be eating. Although, unfortunately, it is impossible to really try everything and know with 100% certainty what is best.
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: TylerDurden on June 22, 2019, 08:39:34 am
Another reason why I was unable to tolerate RZC in the long-term may also have been that I had very serious ill-health due to past consumption of raw and pasteurised dairy as well as lots of processed carbs, all in the first 3 decades of life.
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: surfsteve on June 22, 2019, 10:40:13 pm
My first cheat on raw zero carb was chicory root tea. Then olive and coconut oils, vinegar and lemon juice, salt and spices. Then I added a few supplements: magnesium, potassium, mineral drops and stinging nettle root. Just last week I bought some strawberries and have been eating them with whipped egg yolks and a little honey. I've been experiencing enormous cravings for canned sardines and olives but so far have resisted anything cooked.

I've stopped consuming apple cider vinegar and only use lemons. Apple cider vinegar seems to give me allergies.
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: a_real_man on June 23, 2019, 12:36:24 am
I've been eating 100% raw carnivore/zero carb for years now, and I haven't had any problems in a long time.
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blood/spleen is good for iron
...

Wondering if blood enables RZC
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: surfsteve on June 23, 2019, 02:14:36 am
I don't know about blood but I been drinking heart meat smoothies on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: Qondrar_The_Redeemer on June 23, 2019, 06:37:59 am
Wondering if blood enables RZC
I find blood delicious and it is full nutrients, but I don't remember having any problems without it either.

Another reason why I was unable to tolerate RZC in the long-term may also have been that I had very serious ill-health due to past consumption of raw and pasteurised dairy as well as lots of processed carbs, all in the first 3 decades of life.
What were your health problems, Tyler?

I don't know about blood but I been drinking heart meat smoothies on a regular basis.
It seems to me that blending inadvertently suppresses your instincts, which can have negative consequences in the long term. It is much easier to tell if something is good or not, when it is in it's pure, unprocessed state.

My first cheat on raw zero carb was chicory root tea. Then olive and coconut oils, vinegar and lemon juice, salt and spices. Then I added a few supplements: magnesium, potassium, mineral drops and stinging nettle root. Just last week I bought some strawberries and have been eating them with whipped egg yolks and a little honey. I've been experiencing enormous cravings for canned sardines and olives but so far have resisted anything cooked.

I've stopped consuming apple cider vinegar and only use lemons. Apple cider vinegar seems to give me allergies.
For anyone trying out anything, I would recommend sticking to it 100%, at least for some time (barring serious issues, of course). Constantly adding things that are not part of the diet is a sure-fire way to failure.
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: TylerDurden on June 23, 2019, 09:35:08 pm

What were your health problems, Tyler?

Pre-RPD diet I basically had a slow-acting food-intolerance towards raw and pasteurised dairy. This slowly led to massive inflammation throughout my body so that pretty much every body=part  was failing by the time of puberty. Just to list a few symptoms:- chronic fatigue and insomnia, loosened teeth, inflamed skin, more serious body-odour than is normal despite frequent washing,  slowed thinking, acute anxiety, some brain-damage, extreme pain in the stomach after eating any cooked animal foods, confusion and many others I have since forgotten.

If you are only referring to my RZC experiments well after going rawpalaeo, I can only state that the various symptoms started slowly coming back, with the loosened teeth appearing much faster. My main reason for quitting RZC was that I would, after 21 days, feel very dehydrated no matter how much spring water I drank, and would feel vast hunger-pangs no matter how much raw animal food I ate. Adding some raw plant foods curbed the hunger-pangs completely, though it took a while for my gut flora to become better able to digest them.
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: a_real_man on June 24, 2019, 03:28:50 am
I find blood delicious and it is full nutrients, but I don't remember having any problems without it either.

How long did you abstain?
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: a_real_man on June 24, 2019, 03:29:26 am
https://www.pulse.ng/lifestyle/food-travel/the-bodi-people-meet-the-ethiopian-tribe-who-have-a-fat-man-contest/ekbmvpp

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For a period of six months before the contest, the men of the Bodi tribe drink a mixture of blood and milk to fatten up for the most prestigious pageant in Ethiopia.
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: Qondrar_The_Redeemer on June 24, 2019, 08:18:23 am
How long did you abstain?
I didn't willingly abstain from anything. During the first year or so I couldn't get any blood and my organ consumption was lower, but I never experienced any problems.

Pre-RPD diet I basically had a slow-acting food-intolerance towards raw and pasteurised dairy. This slowly led to massive inflammation throughout my body so that pretty much every body=part  was failing by the time of puberty. Just to list a few symptoms:- chronic fatigue and insomnia, loosened teeth, inflamed skin, more serious body-odour than is normal despite frequent washing,  slowed thinking, acute anxiety, some brain-damage, extreme pain in the stomach after eating any cooked animal foods, confusion and many others I have since forgotten.

If you are only referring to my RZC experiments well after going rawpalaeo, I can only state that the various symptoms started slowly coming back, with the loosened teeth appearing much faster. My main reason for quitting RZC was that I would, after 21 days, feel very dehydrated no matter how much spring water I drank, and would feel vast hunger-pangs no matter how much raw animal food I ate. Adding some raw plant foods curbed the hunger-pangs completely, though it took a while for my gut flora to become better able to digest them.
Interesting. What did you eat on Raw Zero Carb? Do you still eat the same but with some plant foods added in now?

https://www.pulse.ng/lifestyle/food-travel/the-bodi-people-meet-the-ethiopian-tribe-who-have-a-fat-man-contest/ekbmvpp

Yes, interesting. Did you bring it up because of the blood? I would be cautious about all that milk.
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: TylerDurden on June 24, 2019, 12:47:49 pm

Interesting. What did you eat on Raw Zero Carb? Do you still eat the same but with some plant foods added in now?
  I ate raw grassfed ox tongues/hearts/livers/kidneys plus some raw marrow, raw wild hare carcasses and raw eggs from geese/ducks/chickens(mostly free-range) , plus raw wildcaught
 lobsters/oysters/crabs. Now, I eat much the same, no raw wild hare carcasses or raw duck/goose eggs, raw lobsters/crabs, but now, in Austria, I get raw wild game much more easily(albeit  organ-meats are not wild but mostly-grassfed). I still some raw plant foods, much the same as in the UK, with  c.30% being organic. Except that I can no longer obtain medlars, like I did in the UK.
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: van on June 25, 2019, 04:59:34 am
I'm guessing you didn't eat enough fat. ( especially if you relied on expensive marrow bones for fat )   I recently cut back on my meat consumption and increased fat.  So easy to think we need large portions of meat when reading other's accounts.  Also for the last two weeks have cut out salt.  No longer have problems with water not quenching my thirst.  At first everything was bland.  But after a few days the taste buds reignited.  Feel much lighter as a result. 
    One experiment you can try is to catch your urine and look for sediment, which in my case appeared to be uric acid crystals, as a resultant from excess protein.  Let it sit for a few hours to see what settles. 
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: TylerDurden on June 25, 2019, 09:07:30 am
I'm guessing you didn't eat enough fat. ( especially if you relied on expensive marrow bones for fat )   I recently cut back on my meat consumption and increased fat.  So easy to think we need large portions of meat when reading other's accounts.  Also for the last two weeks have cut out salt.  No longer have problems with water not quenching my thirst.  At first everything was bland.  But after a few days the taste buds reignited.  Feel much lighter as a result. 
    One experiment you can try is to catch your urine and look for sediment, which in my case appeared to be uric acid crystals, as a resultant from excess protein.  Let it sit for a few hours to see what settles. 
If you mean me, I did actually have very good, regular sources of raw fat at the time. Mostly I ate raw tongue and raw marrow, and also raw eggs, at the time, so, presumably, my fat-intake in calories must have been extremely high. I miss the grassfsed marrow, as the marrow bones I buy now in Austria, are not 100% grassfed and selected mainly for dogs who don't mind marrow-bones with not much fat in them. I do admit I ate quite a lot at the time, especially when I started getting those insatiable hunger-pangs, so I think the excess protein, even if accompanied by fat, might have been the problem. But who knows?
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: surfsteve on June 25, 2019, 10:30:11 pm
https://www.pulse.ng/lifestyle/food-travel/the-bodi-people-meet-the-ethiopian-tribe-who-have-a-fat-man-contest/ekbmvpp

I'm pretty sure I watched a documentary on this and those guys were so sloppy looking that they reminded me of Sumo wrestlers. So much for a diet of raw milk and grass fed cow blood! What's up with that?
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: thehadezb on June 27, 2019, 06:12:08 am
  I ate raw grassfed ox tongues/hearts/livers/kidneys plus some raw marrow, raw wild hare carcasses and raw eggs from geese/ducks/chickens(mostly free-range) , plus raw wildcaught
 lobsters/oysters/crabs. Now, I eat much the same, no raw wild hare carcasses or raw duck/goose eggs, raw lobsters/crabs, but now, in Austria, I get raw wild game much more easily(albeit  organ-meats are not wild but mostly-grassfed). I still some raw plant foods, much the same as in the UK, with  c.30% being organic. Except that I can no longer obtain medlars, like I did in the UK.

Could you name the main raw plant foods that you eat?
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: TylerDurden on June 27, 2019, 03:11:38 pm
Could you name the main raw plant foods that you eat?
Currently, nothing much varied:- bananas, blueberries/raspberries, avocadoes, watermelons, oranges, garlic, radishes, wild garlic leaves. Sometimes raw brazil nuts. That sort of thing.
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: surfsteve on June 27, 2019, 09:35:15 pm
I went zero carb for the first few weeks of going back on a raw food diet but recently I started adding spices to my meat and even more recently whipping up egg yolks with a little raw honey and putting in berries, grapes or whatever is on sale. Mayo is also zero carb and if you make it yourself can be quite healthy.
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: Qondrar_The_Redeemer on July 02, 2019, 04:16:40 am
I'm pretty sure I watched a documentary on this and those guys were so sloppy looking that they reminded me of Sumo wrestlers. So much for a diet of raw milk and grass fed cow blood! What's up with that?
I believe the main problem was the large amount of milk combined with the lack of exercise.

If you mean me, I did actually have very good, regular sources of raw fat at the time. Mostly I ate raw tongue and raw marrow, and also raw eggs, at the time, so, presumably, my fat-intake in calories must have been extremely high. I miss the grassfsed marrow, as the marrow bones I buy now in Austria, are not 100% grassfed and selected mainly for dogs who don't mind marrow-bones with not much fat in them. I do admit I ate quite a lot at the time, especially when I started getting those insatiable hunger-pangs, so I think the excess protein, even if accompanied by fat, might have been the problem. But who knows?
How much did you eat and drink? I've noticed both excess protein and fat can lead to problems, more so in the case of protein. And did you use any salt?
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: a_real_man on July 12, 2019, 11:52:50 pm
"One of the main mechanisms behind low-carb diets is a reduction in insulin levels.

Insulin has many functions in your body, such as telling fat cells to store fat and your kidneys to retain sodium.

On a low-carb diet, your insulin levels go down and your body starts shedding excess sodium — and water along with it. This is why people often get rid of excess bloating within a few days of low-carb eating.

However, sodium is a crucial electrolyte. Low sodium levels can become problematic when your kidneys dump too much of it.

This is one reason people get side effects on low-carb diets, such as lightheadedness, fatigue, headaches, and even constipation.

The best way to circumvent this issue is to add more sodium to your diet. You can do this by salting your foods — but if that doesn't suffice, try drinking a cup of broth every day.

SUMMARY
Low-carb diets lower insulin levels, making your kidneys excrete excess sodium. This can lead to a mild sodium deficiency."
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: thehadezb on July 13, 2019, 10:24:43 am
There is not such a thing as excess protein in a whole-foods natural diet. When you eat meat, your digestive system has its own regulatory pathways, either physiological and psychological. Excess protein pass through the kidneys.
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: TylerDurden on July 19, 2019, 06:56:13 pm
I believe the main problem was the large amount of milk combined with the lack of exercise.
How much did you eat and drink? I've noticed both excess protein and fat can lead to problems, more so in the case of protein. And did you use any salt?
c. 500g to a kilo  of raw meat/raw fat a day. I also developed severe hunger-pangs which were never sated by eating any raw animal food, after c. 2 weeks, so that I started wolfing down larger amounts per day. The hunger-pangs disappeared instantly after I switched to also eating raw plant foods as well. Switching to raw plant foods caused a few issues at first, as I found it difficult to digest them, no doubt due to the fact that I lacked the necessary bacteria and enzymes to properly digest  raw plant foods due to my RZC experiment.


* Sorry for the delay. I was on an internet-free holiday for 17 days.*
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: political atheist on July 25, 2019, 08:13:05 pm
I'm guessing you didn't eat enough fat. ( especially if you relied on expensive marrow bones for fat )   I recently cut back on my meat consumption and increased fat.  So easy to think we need large portions of meat when reading other's accounts.  Also for the last two weeks have cut out salt.  No longer have problems with water not quenching my thirst.  At first everything was bland.  But after a few days the taste buds reignited.  Feel much lighter as a result. 
    One experiment you can try is to catch your urine and look for sediment, which in my case appeared to be uric acid crystals, as a resultant from excess protein.  Let it sit for a few hours to see what settles.

what type of slat did u eat before u cut it off from ur diet?
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: Fenrir on August 04, 2019, 03:53:52 pm
Currently, nothing much varied:- bananas, blueberries/raspberries, avocadoes, watermelons, oranges, garlic, radishes, wild garlic leaves. Sometimes raw brazil nuts. That sort of thing.

What kind of quantity of fruit do you normally eat in a day, and do you ever worry about cavities from the sugars or do you brush most days? I have access to free blueberries at my workplace albeit they are not organic, and for some time I would consume approxamitly 150-250 grams in a sitting once a day 3-4 days a week but It seems on those days that I can feel plaque building up on my teeth while when I'm only eating animal foods they feel completely smooth for days without brushing.

Outside of the blueberries my diet is mostly raw beef and suet, though maybe 1 to 2 times a week lately I crave raw cheese and will go buy half a pound or so and eat it all at once, normally Roquefort is my go to. I find I just don't crave many vegetables raw anymore or if I do I only like them much if I put salt on them.
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: TylerDurden on August 04, 2019, 08:46:41 pm
I don't have that much variety of raw fruit. I mainly concentrate on one 1 large meal of raw meat/raw animal fat, and sometimes have berries or bananas or watermelon, for example. I focus on the raw fruit being raw and unprocessed but only sometimes go in for organic fruit.
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: Susadele on August 07, 2019, 04:16:33 am
I didn't feel well on very low carb after some time.. realized by accident that increasing carb intake improved my well-being. I experimented by eating some cooked rice, which helped at first, but caused problems after some week. I figured out that eating some cooked meat (I ate only raw for nearly a year at that time) had the same positive effects as the rice / increased carbs. So maybe it was a too low calorie issue.
Anyway, I have the impression that women more often have problems with low carb? At least I heard of many women reporting that, they were not raw paleo diet followers though.
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: surfsteve on August 07, 2019, 11:39:06 pm
I feel good on a carnivore diet for about 3 weeks but after that I need to add in some raw fruit and vegetables. To me carnivore is a good reset but I don't seem to thrive on it long term
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: political atheist on August 11, 2019, 10:15:53 pm
I feel good on a carnivore diet for about 3 weeks but after that I need to add in some raw fruit and vegetables. To me carnivore is a good reset but I don't seem to thrive on it long term

i believe we need fiber to flush out metabolic waste
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: surfsteve on August 12, 2019, 10:55:11 pm
A lot of people would disagree with you but I'm not one of them.
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: thehadezb on August 14, 2019, 11:57:44 am
What raw plant foods do you recommend for carb refeeding? I was thinking on plantains (maybe boil them because they are hard to digest)
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: Susadele on September 03, 2019, 04:21:42 am
What raw plant foods do you recommend for carb refeeding? I was thinking on plantains (maybe boil them because they are hard to digest)

Berries seem to be a good choice, at least many people recommend so, they seem to be tolerated well, don't spike blood sugar / insulin much and our early ancestors already ate them, meaning they are one of the more natural plant foods. Especially if you can pick them yourself.
Regarding fruits I would chose those that don't spike blood sugar / insulin too much.
Also coconuts and cucumbers are plant carb foods like minded people are ok with.
I was doing fine with Kiwis when I reintroduced plant foods (and therefore carbs other than raw milk) in my diet.
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: thehadezb on September 07, 2019, 01:02:09 am
i believe we need fiber to flush out metabolic waste

After months of raw zero carb I agree with you. Fiber and fat are necessary to clean metabolic waste, especially if you have an already damaged and slow gut.
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: primal tyler on September 08, 2019, 01:53:23 am
I find that raw fat plays a similar role to fiber by cleansing the intestine. Fiber feels much too abrasive and unnecessary.
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: Qondrar_The_Redeemer on September 14, 2019, 09:06:57 pm
After years of raw zero carb, I would agree with Tyler that fat can be used to cleanse the intestines instead of fiber.

Personally, fiber has caused me issues in the past.
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: thehadezb on September 24, 2019, 06:15:01 am
Insoluble fiber is what hurts. Soluble fiber is the good one.
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: Sol^Sa on October 21, 2019, 01:23:09 pm
Insoluble fiber is what hurts. Soluble fiber is the good one.

Soluble is always accompanied by insoluble afaik.? That might still be problematic. I think for a lot people "meat and water" simply doesn't work. I tried it too many times with different approaches. It might Work better for me and others if I could go into Nature like Stefansson and live off of highest quality, wild (sea) mammals/animals. That might make a difference. For some people with less severe digestive issues "meat and water" might work. Still questionable if people (like Amber O'Hearn) are "thriving" on it. As it is hard to deny that she is clearly overweight and not physically "thriving". But the point is her ZC diet didn't fix that isssue for her at least. A good visible example for most and then there are probably thousands or more untold cases of ZC not working. And also the adaptation/detox-people are funny as hell. I think for adaption/detox if the diet really works a month should be enough for most to at least feel better like in Stefanssons case. Otherwise it is simply not working for reasons unknown.
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: On a Quest, you want in? on October 25, 2019, 06:48:29 pm
I think the "anti nutrients" in plant foods have been demonized. Maybe they have there place .
Title: Re: Current view on zero/low carb?
Post by: LoneWolf on October 27, 2019, 01:46:45 am
I think the "anti nutrients" in plant foods have been demonized. Maybe they have there place .

That’s something I’ve been wondering too. Perhaps they serve a purpose, for example, maybe to help limit iron absorption.