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Title: Raw Chicken
Post by: Sully on July 12, 2008, 12:09:47 am
I havn't tried any raw meat besides different cuts of organic beef.

What does raw chicken taste like, do you like it compared to beef?
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: TylerDurden on July 12, 2008, 01:43:24 am
I loathe the taste of raw chicken, even after years of going rawpalaeo, I far prefer things like raw turkey or raw goose, or better still wild mallard duck.
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: Sully on July 12, 2008, 02:07:42 am
I loathe the taste of raw chicken, even after years of going rawpalaeo, I far prefer things like raw turkey or raw goose, or better still wild mallard duck.
i'll keep that in mind.  ;)
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: avalon on July 13, 2008, 07:16:43 am
I'm not eating raw meat any more, save for egg yolks and sushi/sashimi now and again, but I liked raw chicken. And there are several ways to eat it. One is to marinate it in lemon juice over night. I know, you're kinda cooking it that way, but it's quite tasty. And some dip the chicken in boiling water for 60 seconds, just to whiten the outside and perhaps kill off any possible salmonella- it also makes it easier to slice for dipping in sauces.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/jdworetz/RPJcxNOVABI/AAAAAAAAAwI/cc7ejLqAkBE/IMG_0236.JPG?imgmax=512

Best wishes,
Avalon  :D
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: xylothrill on July 14, 2008, 10:07:38 am
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perhaps kill off any possible salmonella

I hear it only comes from vegetables and then it's a large investigation to figure out which vegetables it came from and then where those veggies came from.

Avalon,

I once asked "whatever happened to The Bear"? in another forum and you replied, "OMG, you haven't heard what happened?"
Scared the crap out of me! But, I'm glad you've made a post!

From what I know of you, the Wai Diet might be a good choice for you.  :)

Craig aka RawNut
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: goodsamaritan on July 14, 2008, 09:59:57 pm
The raw organic chicken I get from my supplier tastes great.  Tough skin though.
I get salt to rub out the slimy coating off the muscle first.
Then wash.
Tastes great.
Raw chicken liver tastes great too.

My raw organic chicken has a distinctly different taste and smell from beef.

It will depend on where you are, your taste, and your sources.

Taste and see what's good for you.

I havn't tried any raw meat besides different cuts of organic beef.

What does raw chicken taste like, do you like it compared to beef?
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: Sully on July 14, 2008, 11:40:18 pm
The raw organic chicken I get from my supplier tastes great.  Tough skin though.
I get salt to rub out the slimy coating off the muscle first.
Then wash.


I'll try your technique.
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: avalon on July 18, 2008, 11:17:57 pm
Hi Craig!

I hope you know I was just messing around. Honestly.

I like the Wai Diet, but not all of it. Some of them were too much into Orange Juice and Olive Oil. And don't get me started! It did however, get me eating raw yolks regularly, so I think, I owe them that. They kind of changed doctrine and went very strict 'Sample Diet' which I just didn't believe in long term. If you know of them, I believe Wai, not RRM had a better understanding of human nature. I haven't been there in a while, so maybe he's come around?

I do like Raw Chicken Livers with Soy and spices. I've hated liver my whole life until eating it raw. Didn't see that coming  ;D

Best wishes,
Avalon  ::)

Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: xylothrill on July 19, 2008, 01:05:48 am
Hi Craig!

I hope you know I was just messing around. Honestly.

I like the Wai Diet, but not all of it. Some of them were too much into Orange Juice and Olive Oil. And don't get me started! It did however, get me eating raw yolks regularly, so I think, I owe them that. They kind of changed doctrine and went very strict 'Sample Diet' which I just didn't believe in long term. If you know of them, I believe Wai, not RRM had a better understanding of human nature. I haven't been there in a while, so maybe he's come around?

I do like Raw Chicken Livers with Soy and spices. I've hated liver my whole life until eating it raw. Didn't see that coming  ;D

Best wishes,
Avalon  ::)



Yes Avalon,

I know you were only kidding and it was funny and relieving after the fact.  :D

I STILL can't get myself to eat raw chicken! I can eat the livers and gizzards but for some reason, I just can't overcome the conditioning that chicken flesh has to be cooked or you'll die.

Craig
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: TylerDurden on July 19, 2008, 01:24:34 am
I tried raw chicken early on in the diet but found it so unappetising that I gave up on it forthwith. I suspect that this was primarily because virtually all chickens in the UK, like pigs, are fed on an all-grain diet - I've checked recently, though, and there may be at least 1 farm which sells not only grassfed offal cheap, but also sells genuine grassfed chicken and grssfed pork. I don't believe in the scare-stories re chicken, IMO, the only fresh raw meats I'm still put off by are maggots.
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: avalon on July 20, 2008, 03:25:39 am
Yeah, maggots  :-\
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: xylothrill on July 22, 2008, 12:32:18 pm
I tried raw chicken early on in the diet but found it so unappetising that I gave up on it forthwith. I suspect that this was primarily because virtually all chickens in the UK, like pigs, are fed on an all-grain diet - I've checked recently, though, and there may be at least 1 farm which sells not only grassfed offal cheap, but also sells genuine grassfed chicken and grssfed pork. I don't believe in the scare-stories re chicken, IMO, the only fresh raw meats I'm still put off by are maggots.

Bear Grylls recommends biting the heads off from the maggots as they are the nasty tasting part. I could probably stomach them now. When I was a raw vegan, my sister was growing papayas in her back yard. We took a few in and cut them up. I started to put a piece in my mouth when I noticed something moving. I reacted by throwing it across the room. They were full of larvae of a type of fruit fly but they were the same color as the papaya so weren't very noticeable. Now, I'd probably pick them out of the papaya and eat them, then discard the papaya!

As for raw chicken flesh, I don't think it's the smell, taste, or texture but I just can't get it down without gagging. I think it's psychological. In fact, I'm almost positive. If I were to be given a dish such those presented by Satya, and didn't know it contained raw chicken, I could probably eat it with no problem.

Similar things have happened before. My Chinese friend and former co-worker, who spoke limited English, fed me some good tasting soup. When I asked her what the gelatinous, fatty balls were, she responded with, "frog love." Upon further questioning, all I could get out of her was that it had something to do with frog reproduction. I'm thinking eggs, embryos, ovaries, testicles...something along those lines. I felt sick after that. That was then and this is now. I'd try it now. Of course, it may have been a total mistranslation or transliteration for something having nothing to do with the reproduction of frogs at all. But, my understanding and the psychology was still there regardless of what it was I'd just eaten.

Craig

Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: TylerDurden on July 22, 2008, 06:50:14 pm
I think she meant  frogspawn(ie the eggs). This brings back memories:- I remember the horrible school-food recipes we had, one of which (tapioca) we renamed "frogspawn" because it tasted so foul.
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: xylothrill on July 23, 2008, 01:28:05 am
That must be it. Frogspawn!  :o
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: avalon on July 24, 2008, 10:39:05 pm
I'll try just about anything once... ehh, I mean like, something edible  :o and if I'm not the only one eating it  ;D

I never thought that I could drink a whole raw egg from a brandy glass, and enjoy it. Or eat raw yolks on a daily basis.

Has anyone read 'Eating Awake' by Mo Lohaus? It's a pdf book, can't find it online easily anymore, but about his journey eating raw from sickly to healthy. And he has a a blended raw chicken drink recipe if anyone's interested. In fact I'll email you the pdf.

Best wishes,
Avalon  :)
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: xylothrill on July 25, 2008, 03:41:01 am
Avalon,

Can you email me the PDF? Is it a free e-book?

Craig
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: avalon on July 25, 2008, 08:07:53 am
A year or two ago it was online for downloading. I believe there was a server error or something and it was going to be re-posted again. I've never found it again but it might be out there. It's a very good read.

Will send it on over :)
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: xylothrill on July 25, 2008, 09:05:19 am
Thanks Avalon,

I haven't read it yet but I see he's given permission to freely distribute the pdf version so I'll host it here for anyone interested:
http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/EatingAwake1.pdf

Craig

Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: avalon on July 25, 2008, 11:40:08 am
Cool  :)
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: TruthHunter on August 15, 2008, 10:29:21 am
Chicken doesn't age well.

I remember when I lived in Morocco, we'd go down the street, pick out a chicken, watch it lose it's head, then go through the plucker. It was still warm when we took it home.  I never thought of eating it raw. After that I realized people it the developed world don't know what fresh chicken tastes like.  Don't assume chicken tastes bad until you've had it fresh.

John
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: xylothrill on August 15, 2008, 10:47:29 am
Hi John,

Now that's fresh! Like picking out your own lobster.

I can't say that it's the actual taste, smell or texture that puts me off so much as the conditioning. Chicken (and I just realized pork) were the only things we didn't eat raw, or nearly so growing up. I'm thankful for that though. Some people are brought up eating all their animal foods cooked to death. It must be tremendously difficult for them to eat any of it raw at first.

Craig
Title: Jackie’s Raw Organic Chicken tastes great, smells great, very tender
Post by: goodsamaritan on September 01, 2008, 10:24:57 pm
Jackie’s Raw Organic Chicken tastes great, smells great, very tender

I heartily recommend my friend Jackie’s raw organic chicken.   Wherever she gets them, my review this evening is that the chicken I got tonight was the best raw chicken I tasted.  I came home late tonight; hungry of course.  I knew I had told our cook to leave me the raw breast of the whole chicken she was going to cook.  To my satisfaction the raw breast of chicken was waiting for me in the refrigerator.

I got my trusty knife and started filleting on one side.  Got my scissors too.  Snipped away and ate happily.  I thought I could only finish one half of the breast, but my hunger kicked in and I knew I could finish the whole thing.  On the second half I said to myself that these scissors and knife was only such a hassle and I bit away like a caveman.  Really good chicken… yum…. better than all those chicken soups I tasted.  This raw organic chicken was finger licking good.  This is the best breast of chicken ever, and its raw, cooking makes breasts tough and dry.  I did not forget the skin and the fat on the chicken skin, salty and yummy.

My hats off to you Jackie.  Show this review to your friends and I hope you sell more of your organic chicken.  Make sure you leave some for me.  Until next time…

from my blog at http://www.myhealthblog.org/2008/09/01/jackies-raw-organic-chicken-tastes-great-smells-great-very-tender/
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: yon yonson on November 12, 2008, 09:05:46 am
so i think im gonna try some raw chicken soon, but i was wondering if it is ok to eat the skin. anyone know?
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: Raw Kyle on November 12, 2008, 10:18:44 am
so i think im gonna try some raw chicken soon, but i was wondering if it is ok to eat the skin. anyone know?

AV says not to eat it but there is one RAF'er I know who doesn't post here but is mentioned occasionally, Paul Lundkvist a bodybuilder/personal trainer now living in Stockholm, and he says the chicken skin and fat are the tastiest part to him and he eats them first.
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: Guittarman03 on November 12, 2008, 11:34:10 am
I once purposely spoiled raw chicken to see if it would make me sick.  I was still a little fearful that one day I would come down w/ salmonella, even though I had eaten spoiled raw ground beef and never been sick - I actually like the taste of not so fresh beef) - basically I wanted to prove to myself that salmonella is not a source of disease. 

Made my gf smell b4 eating (just to make sure it was spoiled).  She gagged for the entire time I ate it, swearing up and down I'd be sick as a dog, but I never did get sick.  Felt just fine.  In fact, tho it smelled not so great, I enjoyed the taste much better than normal chicken.  After that day I've been pretty much fear free about this diet, though I tend to eat most everything fresh.     

Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: TylerDurden on November 12, 2008, 06:13:47 pm
AV says not to eat it but there is one RAF'er I know who doesn't post here but is mentioned occasionally, Paul Lundkvist a bodybuilder/personal trainer now living in Stockholm, and he says the chicken skin and fat are the tastiest part to him and he eats them first.

Why does AV recommend against eating chicken skin?
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: Michael on November 12, 2008, 07:46:42 pm
From my days of following AV's primal diet, I seem to recall he didn't recommend eating the skin as most chickens are dipped in boiling water to aid feather removal.  Hence, it isn't raw!  I'm not sure how accurate that is but just how I remember it.

Just for the record, I find raw chicken breasts (marinated in lemon juice) one of my favourite raw meats - especially when eaten with homemade raw salsa!!  However, due to the extortionate cost I very rarely eat chicken.  I have recently discovered a great source of extremely fatty 100% grass-fed organic mutton which is not only delicious but incredibly affordable.   :)
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: wodgina on November 12, 2008, 07:48:59 pm
I've heard some people can't digest chicken skin. I worked in a chicken factory in Uni holidays. The chickens go through a vat of chlorine after they have be plucked.

I love chicken it tastes good, just can't find any good sources so I stick to beef which is slightly better.
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: avalon on November 13, 2008, 06:48:16 am
Guittarman03, hi, uhm you might want to, just for fun, hold a mirror to your nose and breathe out some- see if you are like breathing. Often times one can become undead rather quickly and not even have a clue that it happened. Often happens around this time too.  -d  ;) :D
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: Raw Kyle on November 13, 2008, 07:28:04 am
Why does AV recommend against eating chicken skin?

I remember it being a digestive issue. Of course he has compromised digestion so that's one area he would exaggerate dangers. From the sounds of it (chlorine and boiling water) maybe staying away from chicken skin unless you know the source intimately is a good idea.
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: igibike on November 13, 2008, 06:11:02 pm
I sometimes eat raw chiken/turkey, but the only part I can eat raw is breast.
I ususally put it in a dish, put some grinded garlic, curry powder and olive oil, then ieat it.
Sometimes I put lemon on it, but don't wait for it to get marinated.

It is goos to my taste, but I have to eat a lot of it to get hungry satisfied.
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: yon yonson on April 19, 2009, 08:04:40 am
had my first raw chicken thighs and legs today... i don't like the smell but they tasted pretty good. the little fat there is is actually really good. also, the darker meat is WAY better. i probably won't be eating too much of it regularly but every once in a while i'll get it as it is really cheap where i am.
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: goodsamaritan on April 19, 2009, 08:10:51 am
raw chicken is at the bottom of my list (taste wise), but once in a while I eat it for variety.
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: wodgina on April 19, 2009, 08:38:46 am
chicken is tasty just not very filling.
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: yon yonson on April 19, 2009, 08:51:39 am
by the way, how is it nutritionally? is there anything especially good in it?
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: yon yonson on September 11, 2009, 10:04:34 am
so i bought a whole chicken the other day and it's really got me loving raw chicken right now. tastes pretty amazing with all the fat. it's strange how things used to gross me out and now im loving them. i cant get another chicken til saturday but i've got a serious craving.
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: invisible on September 15, 2009, 09:25:33 am
tastes pretty bad and gave me a horrible mucus reaction for days plus the fact that the chicken is put in boiling water to remove feathers so it's not actually even raw.
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: spear of destiny on January 12, 2010, 12:29:40 pm
so i bought a whole chicken the other day and it's really got me loving raw chicken right now. tastes pretty amazing with all the fat. it's strange how things used to gross me out and now im loving them. i cant get another chicken til saturday but i've got a serious craving.

 O0 fucking great
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: miles on January 13, 2010, 02:05:55 am
Are you talking about normal supermarket chicken?
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: yon yonson on January 13, 2010, 02:36:20 am
no i get chicken from the farmer's market. it's pastured chicken not fed grain. they eat grass and bugs. really good stuff
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: Sitting Coyote on January 13, 2010, 02:53:10 am
I ate a small pastured, locally raised chicken this past weekend.  Dark meat tasted great, but white meat was very bland tasting.  I ate it all, though.  Liver had a surprisingly sweet taste.
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: TylerDurden on January 13, 2010, 03:14:36 am
I'm very unlucky in the UK as government laws force all pigs and domesticated fowl to be fed on 100% grain-filled diets(a few farmers allow them to graze on their own, which allows the consumption of earthworms on occasion and the like, but that's about  it). That said, I do have access to raw wild mallard duck quite often and the taste of it is absolutely divine(all dark-red meat, not white).
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: miles on January 13, 2010, 04:42:21 am
I really want to keep eating just raw meat but the stuff that doesn't taste horrible is expensive... =/ Just normal supermarket Rump Steak is £1/100g. Then the beef mince, which is a good price, has some horrible added chemical which doesn't disappear unless you cook it or something =/
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: Wolf on August 29, 2011, 04:38:28 pm
I want to try raw chicken but I am terrified of eating it because of how terribly chickens are kept even if organic and all, and this boiling water and chlorine thing isn't helping.  But everytime I see a chickenbreast in the store, it looks delicious.  I really want to try it, but I'm scared of getting salmonella or something.. I don't want to get sick again.  I just don't know how trustworthy the sources of chicken are. 
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: TylerDurden on August 29, 2011, 05:11:35 pm
I really want to keep eating just raw meat but the stuff that doesn't taste horrible is expensive... =/ Just normal supermarket Rump Steak is £1/100g. Then the beef mince, which is a good price, has some horrible added chemical which doesn't disappear unless you cook it or something =/
  You need to look at local farmers' markets. Raw wild game is cheap, and often found in those markets(but often only on request as they are not allowed to display it outside the hunting season). Also check out grassfed meat farms in your local area. There are UK online organic and/or grassfed meat directories available as well, some of which show how far away the farm is from your post-code etc.

I can get grassfed/organic ground meat for 7 pounds per kilo, which is pretty good value.
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: raw-al on August 30, 2011, 09:34:45 am
We tried raw chicken once. Didn't like it.
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: TylerDurden on August 30, 2011, 02:55:09 pm
We tried raw chicken once. Didn't like it.
Most chicken are fed on very unhealthy 100 percent grain-filled diets. Try a pastured chicken, it should taste great. I can't find any pastured chicken so what I do is buy raw wild mallard duck. It tastes fantastic. Since it's wild, the flesh is dark red instead of the stark, unhealthy white of grainfed fowl.
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: Löwenherz on August 30, 2011, 05:52:21 pm
Most chicken are fed on very unhealthy 100 percent grain-filled diets. Try a pastured chicken, it should taste great. I can't find any pastured chicken so what I do is buy raw wild mallard duck. It tastes fantastic. Since it's wild, the flesh is dark red instead of the stark, unhealthy white of grainfed fowl.

I totally agree. The taste of grain-fed fowl is SO disgusting whereas wild fowl is fabulous.

I never got really grass fed chicken anywhere. Is it possible at all? Due to overbreeding those birds are too weak to survive without grains, one farmer told me.

Can you get 100% grass-fed chicken in the UK??

Löwenherz
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: raw-al on August 30, 2011, 06:27:34 pm
Interesting.

I know where I can get some pastured chicken. Maybe we'll try it.

There is also a place where we can get some chickens freshly hatched to raise in the backyard. We thought about doing that last spring but we......... chickened out.  ;D

I have a friend that has about 9 chickens in his yard in the city in a very nice neighbourhood. They sleep in his garage. Gets enough eggs for his family. He's in our cowshare group.
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: RawZi on August 31, 2011, 09:44:23 am
Can you get 100% grass-fed chicken in the UK??

    When they are free to eat in the open pasture all day, what they eat there is mostly insects I believe.  I've seen chickens run from grass and chase after and eat lizards instead.
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: TylerDurden on August 31, 2011, 02:51:13 pm

Can you get 100% grass-fed chicken in the UK??

Löwenherz

  If I did a huge amount of searching I would likely find some sources in the end, but it's not worth the effort as I, anyway, have access to very good sources of other kinds of raw animal foods which I find sufficient.
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: Wolf on September 01, 2011, 09:39:58 am
I just bought some chicken, some of this brand.. http://pages.smartchicken.com/pages/air-chilled.aspx
it's grain-fed, but still organic and free-range.. not the best i guess, but not the worst either.  and no added water.
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: Wolf on September 03, 2011, 02:20:03 pm
I am trying the raw chicken for the first time right now.  It tastes/texture is pretty much just like I thought it would be.. mainly like raw fish but without the fishy smell/taste.

I like it.
hope I don't get sick!  I'll post again updating if I do or not.

Or if I suddenly disappear, then maybe I died.   :P
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: RawZi on September 03, 2011, 07:27:09 pm
I am trying the raw chicken for the first time right now.

    Enjoy!
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: Wolf on September 05, 2011, 04:43:23 am
    Enjoy!

It was very good!  But for some reason I don't think it agreed so much with my stomach.  Not that I got sick or anything, I still seem to be perfectly fine for now.  But after eating it, it felt a bit discomfortable in my stomach, more as if I'm not really suited to eating chicken.  It didn't give me that satisfied feeling I get when I eat raw beef.  It just felt like it was sitting there in my stomach doing nothing.. I don't know.  And then I felt kind of weird for the rest of the night.  But I was half asleep the whole time so I couldn't really tell exactly what I was feeling.  But I haven't gotten sick, so it seems alright.  Just not going to be replacing my beef with chicken or anything,  And it doesn't seem to have come out undigested or anything.
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: afroza on September 18, 2011, 09:48:02 pm
Raw chicken is my favorite food when we are in Kashmir. We buy them alive usually, kills them ourself at home and strip the skin off them with feathers and all. You loose a bit of fat, but it is such a chore to pluck the feathers otherwise. And free range chicken has very tough skin, I don´t like to chew it. Even the meat is much tougher than broilers. And the bones are as hard as lamb bone! On a broiler chicken my three year old chews the bone without problem, but on theese chickens, running wild, eating only bugs, you need an axe to cut them! Their meat is dark and the fat is yellow. Sometimes you get a female with a belly full of eggyolks in different sizes. At first I got a strong detox effects by this chicken meat, like slight fever, swollen lymph glands for a day or two. The only other meat that gives my that strong detox is fermented beef.  I like it with some lemon or lime drops, but eaten within minutes before it gets all white.
Thanks for the Mo Lohaus Book, I am reading it now. Very interesting!
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: Isthmus on September 27, 2011, 07:47:20 pm
Where did the idea that chicken is especially dangerous raw come from?

Your average person seems to understand that steak doesn't have to be cooked so well. I imagine this is so because it's common enough to to eat it rare and bloody. I've oft encountered the idea that raw chicken, though, is particularly 'risky.'

Where'd this perception come from? Is there anything to it?

Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: cherimoya_kid on September 27, 2011, 10:00:41 pm
Where did the idea that chicken is especially dangerous raw come from?

Your average person seems to understand that steak doesn't have to be cooked so well. I imagine this is so because it's common enough to to eat it rare and bloody. I've oft encountered the idea that raw chicken, though, is particularly 'risky.'

Where'd this perception come from? Is there anything to it?



Undercooked chicken in the US is pretty dangerous.  I've known several people, including myself, who have gotten sick from it.  If the chicken is raised on a healthy diet, then it's not dangerous, but that's fairly difficult to find here.
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: Wolf on October 10, 2011, 03:06:22 am
Where did the idea that chicken is especially dangerous raw come from?

Your average person seems to understand that steak doesn't have to be cooked so well. I imagine this is so because it's common enough to to eat it rare and bloody. I've oft encountered the idea that raw chicken, though, is particularly 'risky.'

Where'd this perception come from? Is there anything to it?

Chickens tend to lo live in far worse conditions than cows here in the US, from what I've heard, so they tend to get a lot more sick, and make more people sick.  Also, the main pathogen from cow meat that people get sick from is E. Coli, which is only contained in the feces of the animals.. Therefore, steaks will only become contaminated if they come into contact with feces (which is often, because of the way factory farms kill and chop up the cows) and then it is only on the surface of the meat.  The inside of the steak does not get contaminated at all, therefor the steak can be cooked rare to kill the E.Coli on the surface and the uncooked part inside is still safe.  That is also why they suggest thoroughly cooking ground beef, because the meat has been chopped up and if any of it had e.coli, now the whole thing is infected.  But they also suggest a specific internal temperature even of rare-cooked steaks, to also kill things like worms and parasites.. but you can still probably get steaks that haven't been cooked to that temperature.  I know I always ask for my steaks as rare as possible, and even mention that I would eat it raw, when I go to restaurants.. and sometimes I even get the steak still cold in the middle.  Those times I sometimes wonder if the cook sent it out that rare on purpose just to get a complaint that it isn't cooked enough or that it is cold, and I laugh to think of their reaction when they find out that I cleaned my plate.

By the way, I didn't get sick at all from eating that raw chicken.
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: RogueFarmer on October 10, 2011, 03:36:13 am
I have heard that in France they age ducks and geese until the feathers are plucked easily.

Wasn't raw pheasant hung by the head, aged so long that it's head disconnects from it's neck, a delicacy in france and england?

Aging the chicken would make it much more tender.
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: RawZi on November 18, 2011, 04:28:00 am
.. Therefore, steaks will only become contaminated if they come into contact with feces (which is often, because of the way factory farms kill and chop up the cows) and then it is only on the surface of the meat.  The inside of the steak does not get contaminated at all, therefor the steak can be cooked rare to kill the E.Coli on the surface and the uncooked part inside is still safe.  That is also why they suggest thoroughly cooking ground beef, because the meat has been chopped up and if any of it had e.coli, now the whole thing is infected.  But they also suggest a specific internal temperature even of rare-cooked steaks, to also kill things like worms and parasites.. but you can still probably get steaks that haven't been cooked to that temperature.  I know I always ask for my steaks as rare as possible, and even mention that I would eat it raw, when I go to restaurants.. and sometimes I even get the steak still cold in the middle.  Those times I sometimes wonder if the cook sent it out that rare on purpose just to get a complaint that it isn't cooked enough or that it is cold, and I laugh to think of their reaction when they find out that I cleaned my plate.

By the way, I didn't get sick at all from eating that raw chicken.


    How are you doing Wolf?
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: Isthmus on November 25, 2011, 03:33:26 am
I ate some raw chicken for first time recently. It was fine. I blended it with some celery - it made the most disgusting looking thing I've seen in a while, but it tasted good!

I've eaten some raw pheasant, too. I don't really like it, the texture of it or the flavour really. But I ate it and it made a meal.
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: HIT_it_RAW on November 25, 2011, 03:40:25 am
I ate some raw chicken for first time recently. It was fine. I blended it with some celery - it made the most disgusting looking thing I've seen in a while..
yes i can imagine! mixing whole veggies with meat will seriously hinder digestion as meat requires an acidic diestive enviremont and veggies alkaline.

can't imagine why anyone would want to blend meat.
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: Wolf on February 17, 2012, 05:01:35 am
    How are you doing Wolf?

Heh, a late reply, but I'm doing alright.  Been having some trouble with my raw diet, especially around Christmas, where I was eating cooked foods sometimes.. but I'm trying to get back on 100% raw, and I've been doing pretty good the passed few weeks. Haven't had any chicken since the one time I tried it though, lol, I prefer beef.
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: paper_clips43 on August 17, 2012, 12:12:13 am
Has anyone considered blood type as a factor? For instance with blood type B+ one of the only things they say to stay away from is chicken.
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: RawZi on August 17, 2012, 07:46:44 pm
Has anyone considered blood type as a factor? For instance with blood type B+ one of the only things they say to stay away from is chicken.

    I don't know if you actually tried the erfyt b diet..but I find with raw diet blood type recommendations to be quite different. Do you have a raw book on it? Does dadamo say you're a positive or nonsecretor?
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: RawZi on August 17, 2012, 07:52:10 pm
    You've probably heard of nitrite and nitrates as additives to hot dogs and bacon to persevere them in the plastic package so they'll basically never break down nor decompose through bacteria. Celery is a natural nitrite used by bacon and I think corned beef at Trader Joe's etc.  Probably why aajonus will say to drink your celery juice at least an hour apart if not two from your meat meal(s)..and he lumps chicken in as a meat. I know some believe only red meats are meat. I heard one woman teaching her kid that fish are flowers. My Mom made sure we ate some red meat every day in my formative years. That's how that generation was in the US.

I ate some raw chicken for first time recently. It was fine. I blended it with some celery - it made the most disgusting looking thing I've seen in a while, but it tasted good!

I've eaten some raw pheasant, too. I don't really like it, the texture of it or the flavour really. But I ate it and it made a meal.
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: RawZi on August 17, 2012, 08:00:34 pm
     I hope you enjoyed the holidays..and I'm glad you're getting back into health and are back here. Mid February I started on some family stuff..that's probably why I totally missed your reply.

Heh, a late reply, but I'm doing alright.  Been having some trouble with my raw diet, especially around Christmas, where I was eating cooked foods sometimes.. but I'm trying to get back on 100% raw, and I've been doing pretty good the passed few weeks. Haven't had any chicken since the one time I tried it though, lol, I prefer beef.
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: Iguana on August 17, 2012, 09:51:53 pm
Has anyone considered blood type as a factor? For instance with blood type B+ one of the only things they say to stay away from is chicken.
Snake oil  ;D 
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: Wattlebird on August 18, 2012, 06:16:58 am
Snake oil  ;D
And snake tastes like chicken!  ;)
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: FRANCIS HOWARD BOND on August 21, 2014, 06:30:41 am
so i bought a whole chicken the other day and it's really got me loving raw chicken right now. tastes pretty amazing with all the fat. it's strange how things used to gross me out and now im loving them. i cant get another chicken til saturday but i've got a serious craving.
How do you set about eating a whole raw chicken?   I love raw chicken breasts and dream of tackling a small, whole raw chicken, but do not know how you systematically dismantle and eat it, as it obviously makes several meals on different days?   Some of it can be set aside in a jar at room temperature to go nice and rotten, and I enjoy eating this, but how much do you set aside?   Obviously you really know how to enjoy raw chicken, have a serious craving, and have found the pluck to take on the cluck!
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: FRANCIS HOWARD BOND on January 28, 2015, 06:14:14 am
Current scare throughout UK is with Camphylobactor in Chicken, and most shops are implicated in supplying this with excess of these bacteria.   I must have encountered it in my considerable munching of Raw Chicken, but it was always delicious.   I had one encounter with Yersini E Coli from raw chicken in 1991 which led to grossly loose bowels for more than a fortnight.    This went away and I have never had any repeat of anything so severe.     I hope there is no problem for us, because I like it, and want to continue enjoying it.   Perhaps Tyler (who does not like Chicken but always offers good advice) can help?

Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: TylerDurden on January 28, 2015, 07:12:45 am
Bacteria are generally harmless. It is the environment they are in which causes toxicity. In this case, raw grainfed chicken is a bad idea. If the chicken is pastured/grassfed(a real rarity) then it is fine. In the UK, I found it impossible to get hold of decent pastured chicken, so I just bought raw wild mallard duck instead, which was of excellent quality.
Title: Re: Raw Chicken
Post by: FRANCIS HOWARD BOND on January 29, 2015, 03:57:25 am
Thank you.    Yes I do like Raw Duck, but ligaments in the legs are tough and stringy, the rest is nice  and chewy.    Have tried Raw Turkey which has a very distinct flavor.   At times you could say I am a poultry (paltry) eater.   Generally I know what I like and like it a lot!    Your comments are always welcome and interesting.