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Title: H. Pylori :(
Post by: aunaturale on January 17, 2010, 01:35:26 pm
Hello RPF members

I was diagnosed with H. pylori infection one week ago. I have lost
about 30 solid pounds of weight and been having severe gastritis/bloating
to a lot of foods I wouldn't normally react to in the past :(

This steady drop in weight occurred in a two-year period, slowly.
I have seen two doctors and one gastro who finally came up with
the diagnosis.

Does anyone have advice about what I can do to stabilize this
menace? I have read about 30 testimonials claiming mastic
gum is a sure-fire way to keep it under control? any thoughts?
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: RawZi on January 17, 2010, 03:15:19 pm
    There are a number of diets that will rid you of your pylori problem, given the chance.  What are you doing for it so far?  How are you eating?

    Welcome :)
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: aunaturale on January 17, 2010, 03:33:19 pm
I am on a fully raw diet. Organic vegetable juice (celery, cucumber, parsley
cabbage) daily.

Raw grass-fed free range lamb which includes its fat. Roughly eating two
pounds a day. soon to buy organic organ meats
from northstar
I had to eliminate gluten and casein... damn do I miss
raw goats milk :/  For carbs I eat brown rice and quinoa

I have not treated myself for pylori yet but will most likely buy mastic gum
tomorrow.
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: goodsamaritan on January 17, 2010, 04:44:47 pm
Many ways to deal with tummy pain.
No one is certain if that diagnosis is accurate.

Things I know that have worked for me or other people:
- herbal colon cleansing and liver flushes
- fully cooked fatty pork for 1 day or 2 days
- Dr. Henry Bieler's soup
- zapping with a hulda clark zapper any variant
- herbal dewormer / parasite cleanser
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: RawZi on January 17, 2010, 04:55:16 pm
    I don't know anything about mastic gum.  Gums are fibers, right?  Hmm.

    You got the pylori beFore you started eating raw, I assume?  Pylori I believe they say cause ulcers.  Do you have ulcers?  Is that how you found out?  

    I don't think I was tested for which bacteria, but close to twenty years ago I got stomach ulcers, and when they got out of control, I treated them with diet as I read in Balch's Prescription for Nutritional Healing.  It worked fast. I was strict veg.  Balch's remedy kind of had Bieler's soup as an integral part of it.

    A couple of years earlier than that, I was teaching Ann Wigmore's program, and a student, an older woman had duodenal ulcers.  With our help, on energy soup, her ulcers healed quickly.  She came to us from cooked (Island food).

    My son have had stomach trouble for about eight years (vegan that whole time).  Acupunture helped him.  Adding raw biodynamic butter and unheated honey to his diet and a few other dietary changes, and within a couple of months he finally got off stomach medication, and is still off, and happy about that.

    I have heard raw kefir replenishes intestinal flora and overcomes the more hurtful bacterias.  I have heard unheated honey can.  I believe highmeats might be very beneficial for this.  I do think raw meat will help you.  Maybe it will take longer than you like, but I believe it will get your intestines functioning best.

    Green juices clean the intestines in my experience, see how it goes.

    To put on weight, it may help you to mix a raw egg in your green juice.

    Have you tried raw eggs?  I'm not sure specifically how they are with pylori, but they can be very easy and quick to digest and healing to weak intestines.
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: ys on January 17, 2010, 11:22:31 pm
Few years ago I went to the doc regarding my concerns of poor digestion and absorption.  The doc did bunch of tests and declared that I have H.Pylori.  He gave me antibiotics for about a month.

You know what, I regret listening to him.  The antibiotics screwd up my bowel for about 3 months and did not do any improvements.
I did some search on H.Pylori and found out that it is mostly hype and speculation at best.  It is controversial and inconculsive.  And there are claims that half world's populations have it.  It is very convinient to blaim it on H.P. 
It is all about money.  The doc got paid and drug company got paid, evryone is happy, except I.

I highly doubt your issues have anything to do with H.P.  I'm convinced mine were not.

Another thing, doctors appears to be completely useless treating these kind of conditions.
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: William on January 17, 2010, 11:54:36 pm
People who eat raw zero carb don't get H. Pylori, or any other such disease, so I would assume that if you tried that diet the H. Pylori problem would disappear.
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: aunaturale on January 18, 2010, 12:46:35 am
If H. pylori doesn't cause trouble in the body aka "bacteria theory" per aajonus's writings...
then what may have caused my dramatic weight loss (30 lbs)

Possible ulcer? adrenal failure
It seems that all these allergies from foods over the years
has caused my body to shut down. I am steadily going bald,
have no sex drive whatsoever, and my breath smells like roadkill.
This has all taken place and I'm only 21!

Believe me I'd like to think that pylori doesnt pose a problem in people
but I may be an exception  >:

these are a couple studies which show the link between halitosis and pylori......
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12090454
http://grande.nal.usda.gov/ibids/index.php?mode2=detail&origin=ibids_references&therow=229963

their are numerous testimonials from a forum (not raw foods) which states
mastic gum has helped TREmendously for people with gastrointestinal problems
here is the website:
http://www.topix.com/forum/health/helicobacter-pylori/TK288CTNHUNHA1M1A
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: aunaturale on January 18, 2010, 12:49:31 am
I completely agree with what ys said about antibiotics.
In my two years of bad health I have discovered a world of truth

truths about health, nutrition politics religion.... on and on and on

but going back... antibiotics are and WILL never be an answer for any illness
for every antibiotic out there is always a natural alternative which
scientists have "patented"

remember, its all about the $
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: RawZi on January 18, 2010, 01:47:38 am
    For me, my body can be a delicate chemistry.  Not so much now, that I'm a little stronger, but still it is.  What diet program were you following when you developed these problems, the Weston Price Foundation's typical diet?  Have you tried zero carb for long periods at a time?  The germ theory and typical supplements work to some degree for people who are following SAD.  Antibiotics, supplements and any kind of plant fiber at all could be 101% wrong for many WOE's.  I'm not saying not to do the gum, but I'd like to see you get the best here.  Have you read the child boards here yet?  I think it will help more if you make an introduction and read through others' introductions.  Then we can give you suggestions that better go along with where you're at, and members who maybe followed the same diets will respond more.

If H. pylori doesn't cause trouble in the body aka "bacteria theory" per aajonus's writings...
then what may have caused my dramatic weight loss (30 lbs)

Possible ulcer? adrenal failure
It seems that all these allergies from foods over the years
has caused my body to shut down. I am steadily going bald,
have no sex drive whatsoever, and my breath smells like roadkill.
This has all taken place and I'm only 21!

Believe me I'd like to think that pylori doesnt pose a problem in people
but I may be an exception  >:

these are a couple studies which show the link between halitosis and pylori......
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12090454
http://grande.nal.usda.gov/ibids/index.php?mode2=detail&origin=ibids_references&therow=229963

their are numerous testimonials from a forum (not raw foods) which states
mastic gum has helped TREmendously for people with gastrointestinal problems
here is the website:
http://www.topix.com/forum/health/helicobacter-pylori/TK288CTNHUNHA1M1A
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: William on January 18, 2010, 06:34:48 am
If H. pylori doesn't cause trouble in the body aka "bacteria theory" per aajonus's writings...
then what may have caused my dramatic weight loss (30 lbs)

Possible ulcer? adrenal failure
It seems that all these allergies from foods over the years
has caused my body to shut down. I am steadily going bald,
have no sex drive whatsoever, and my breath smells like roadkill.
This has all taken place and I'm only 21!

Believe me I'd like to think that pylori doesnt pose a problem in people
but I may be an exception  >:




Only roadkill? Lucky you - in the early years of whatever caused my heart disease, my breath smelled worse than the foulest sewer. I thought there was something dead inside me. No sex drive and hair losss (me too, for a few years) and weight loss just means that you are sick, diagnosis is not helping. Carbs never helped me; in fact completely stopping carbs is when the heart problem disappeared, after trying everything else.

Allergies are supposed to be caused by mineral deficiencies. Raw veggies all contain nutrient blockers, which guarantee that you will never be free of mineral deficiencies/allergies.

I still think raw zero carb is your best bet, but this also worked for me when I got stupid and ate SAD and had a stroke: www.healself.org




Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: aunaturale on January 18, 2010, 07:01:30 am
    For me, my body can be a delicate chemistry.  Not so much now, that I'm a little stronger, but still it is.  What diet program were you following when you developed these problems, the Weston Price Foundation's typical diet?  Have you tried zero carb for long periods at a time?  The germ theory and typical supplements work to some degree for people who are following SAD.  Antibiotics, supplements and any kind of plant fiber at all could be 101% wrong for many WOE's.  I'm not saying not to do the gum, but I'd like to see you get the best here.  Have you read the child boards here yet?  I think it will help more if you make an introduction and read through others' introductions.  Then we can give you suggestions that better go along with where you're at, and members who maybe followed the same diets will respond more.


I ate a clean diet of eggs cooked meat chicken tuna.. I had eliminated pastuerized milk
about 3 years ago after I read an article on mercolas. I was eating wheat sandwiches at the time
but not on a daily basis.

At this point, I think my best option is to continue raw beef lamb and fat... minimize veggie juices
and take mastic gum... Ive made it this far, what have I got to lose

if people can cure themselves of cancer and other "incurable" diseases who's to say I cant!

thank you for your help RawZi. the names Luke
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: aunaturale on January 18, 2010, 07:09:45 am
Only roadkill? Lucky you - in the early years of whatever caused my heart disease, my breath smelled worse than the foulest sewer. I thought there was something dead inside me. No sex drive and hair losss (me too, for a few years) and weight loss just means that you are sick, diagnosis is not helping. Carbs never helped me; in fact completely stopping carbs is when the heart problem disappeared, after trying everything else.

Allergies are supposed to be caused by mineral deficiencies. Raw veggies all contain nutrient blockers, which guarantee that you will never be free of mineral deficiencies/allergies.

I still think raw zero carb is your best bet, but this also worked for me when I got stupid and ate SAD and had a stroke: www.healself.org


Having pylori is the toughest ailment to accomplish in my eyes... the bug
shuts down your bodys stomach acid and you all know that something like that
can only lead to trouble...

there are probably over 50+ "diseases" that are caused by vitamin/mineral deficiencies
not including the allowable passage of parasites and candida to thrive...

if you dont mind me asking.. what specific foods are you eating at this time Will?
thanks for the website... knowledge shall set you free  ;)
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: William on January 18, 2010, 08:11:34 am


if you dont mind me asking.. what specific foods are you eating at this time Will?
thanks for the website... knowledge shall set you free  ;)

Pemmican and raw egg yolk is staple, occasionally any kind of meat,  browned outside if it is ground beef.
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: aunaturale on January 18, 2010, 08:52:05 am
Pemmican and raw egg yolk is staple, occasionally any kind of meat,  browned outside if it is ground beef.


If the fat is rendered, how is it in any way advantageous from its raw form?
I assume that you have an allergy towards egg white?

what are your thoughts on organ meats?
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: RawZi on January 18, 2010, 08:54:08 am
I ate a clean diet of eggs cooked meat chicken tuna.. I had eliminated pastuerized milk
about 3 years ago after I read an article on mercolas. I was eating wheat sandwiches at the time but not on a daily basis.


    The meat wasn't raw I assume.  The eggs as well I assume.  The tuna was canned I assume, even if albacore dolphin safe and packed in olive oil and/or spring water.  I assume the milk may have been organic grain fed.  

    In my case my problem may have been from the wheat.  When I had my ulcers, judging by that B vitamins and organic cereals gave me the most immediate pains.  I'm actually figuring out more, thinking back to even after the ulcers were gone after that and wheat, thanks!  Were you drinking water, and if so, what kind?  Did you eat at regular hours?

At this point, I think my best option is to continue raw beef lamb and fat... minimize veggie juices
and take mastic gum... Ive made it this far, what have I got to lose

    You may have a lot to lose, I wouldn't know your position well enough to give an answer to you.  Shouldn't hurt to try the gum, and hopefully it will help.  There are fibers and sugars in certain fresh mushrooms that help some people in some situations a lot.  There are lots of people out there that swear by various fibers.    

if people can cure themselves of cancer and other "incurable" diseases who's to say I cant!

    :) Sounds good and true.  I won't say you can't.  You likely can.

thank you for your help RawZi. the names Luke

    You're welcome :), Luke.

    RawZi
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: William on January 18, 2010, 09:46:58 am
If the fat is rendered, how is it in any way advantageous from its raw form?

It does not make me run to the toilet, as raw fat does.

Quote
I assume that you have an allergy towards egg white?

No, I just don't think that it is food, and it has avidin which destroys B vitamins.

Quote
what are your thoughts on organ meats?

I let my stomach do the thinking on that, and I feel no urge to eat them. The fortnightly 1/2 lb. liver seems to make no difference.
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: aunaturale on January 18, 2010, 10:12:48 am

The meat wasn't raw I assume.  The eggs as well I assume.  The tuna was canned I assume, even if albacore dolphin safe and packed in olive oil and/or spring water.  I assume the milk may have been organic grain fed. 

    In my case my problem may have been from the wheat.  When I had my ulcers, judging by that B vitamins and organic cereals gave me the most immediate pains.  I'm actually figuring out more, thinking back to even after the ulcers were gone after that and wheat, thanks!  Were you drinking water, and if so, what kind?  Did you eat at regular hours?

    You may have a lot to lose, I wouldn't know your position well enough to give an answer to you.  Shouldn't hurt to try the gum, and hopefully it will help.  There are fibers and sugars in certain fresh mushrooms that help some people in some situations a lot.  There are lots of people out there that swear by various fibers.   

Meat was cooked as well as the eggs. Milk was pasteurized non organic. Tuna canned.
Ate 3 solid meals a day.  I'm still trying to figure out how and why pylori came into
play and the claim that half the worlds population has it and have no symptoms.
Maybe this was my destiny, right. I'm here now. On a raw forum ha! I would've never thought
about raw if this never happened.

anyways, I Drank reverse osmosis water. 8 glasses of water in one day was a feat for me...
my body doesn't have an "appetite" for it  ??? what's your take on 8 glasses?
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: jessica on January 18, 2010, 10:19:19 am
RO water is pretty dead tasting to me, it doesnt really quench thirst, if you can get some good minerals, a little pinch of good salt or if you can stand it some kelp/seaweed to put in there itd probably be beneficial

i used to drink RO water for years but found the most delicious stream up a hill where the water filters through rock and some algae, i drink less of it but feel less thirsty as well, if i run out and have to drink RO i feel drained/diluted and thirsty...i dont know?
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: aunaturale on January 18, 2010, 10:23:46 am
Simply, it doesn't quench ones thirst. You wouldn't find
reverse osmosis in nature, right!

Damn, is there anything that man has tampered with!!!!!
Stream water I can get a taste for
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: TylerDurden on January 18, 2010, 05:56:07 pm
With regard to bacterial infestation, the usual approach of RVAFers would be to counter it by ingesting huge amounts of bacteria so as to provide a more healthy balance. Of course that would mean eating "high-meat" which many RVAF newbies take longer to get used to the taste of by comparison to fresh raw muscle-meats.
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: Hannibal on January 18, 2010, 06:48:06 pm
H. Pylori is beneficial!

"In 1996, Martin J. Blaser advanced the hypothesis that H. pylori has a beneficial effect: by regulating the acidity of the stomach contents.[25][51] The hypothesis is not universally accepted as several randomized controlled trials failed to demonstrate worsening of acid reflux disease symptoms following eradication of H. pylori.[52][53] Nevertheless, Blaser has refined his view to assert that H. pylori is a member of the normal flora of the stomach.[54] He postulates that the changes in gastric physiology caused by the loss of H. pylori account for the recent increase in incidence of several diseases, including type 2 diabetes, obesity, and asthma.[54][55] His group has recently shown that H. pylori colonization is associated with a lower incidence of childhood asthma."

some other articles -
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1618379/?tool=pmcentrez
http://gut.bmj.com/content/57/5/561
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: aunaturale on January 19, 2010, 01:15:05 am
With regard to bacterial infestation, the usual approach of RVAFers would be to counter it by ingesting huge amounts of bacteria so as to provide a more healthy balance. Of course that would mean eating "high-meat" which many RVAF newbies take longer to get used to the taste of by comparison to fresh raw muscle-meats.

I had a piece of "high meat" last week (about 3 days aged), bit into it and jumped out of my seat!
It had a alcohol-type savor in my mouth...

is this normal and ok to continue eating?
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: djr_81 on January 19, 2010, 01:17:41 am
I had a piece of "high meat" last week (about 3 days aged), bit into it and jumped out of my seat!
It had a alcohol-type savor in my mouth...

is this normal and ok to continue eating?
Others can confirm but there's no way the meat could have been "high" after just three days. Even when cultured outside of a cold environment (fridge) it still would take at least a week to be noticeably high IMO.
I'm not sure why the meat tasted that way.
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: aunaturale on January 19, 2010, 01:23:35 am
H. Pylori is beneficial!

Hannibal, according to Aajonus' experience when working with raw food
and "bacteria theory" he states that salmonella, E. coli and other various bugs
which cause deaths from food poisoning are indeed healthy for the body...

the only thing is is that if it comes from cooked foods it becomes toxic!
At this point I fully agree with what he says. I am two weeks into my raw diet
and have not experienced any discomfort or diarrhea. For some reason
maybe I created a way for the pylori to thrive and take over, such as candida overgrowth patients
you may have heard about. Change the environment and microbes and bacteria start
working with you, not against.

so I will take in what I know, follow the diet faithfully and jump on a one-month trial of
mastic gum to control the pylori not eradicate. Everything has its place in the world... to
eradicate a microbe that is a part of you, is essentially killing yourself.
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: aunaturale on January 19, 2010, 01:28:54 am
Others can confirm but there's no way the meat could have been "high" after just three days. Even when cultured outside of a cold environment (fridge) it still would take at least a week to be noticeably high IMO.
I'm not sure why the meat tasted that way.

I aged grass-fed ground beef. Dunno if the type of meat matters, all I can
say is the taste just was not right.  ??? It was somewhat decomposing into a liquid form!
Is there a protocol you can suggest that will
produce a great "high meat"
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: RawZi on January 19, 2010, 01:35:07 am
The below quote is referencing milk, but it's true with meat eating and really all ways of eating too.  We need microbes to be healthy.  Without them, guess what?  We as humans die.  End of story.
Quote
She has a B.S. and M.S. in Food Science, a Culinary Arts degree, and almost 15 years of food-industry experiece.



   We Are All Bacterio-Sapians 11/04/2009 16:41


Way back in 1991, my college friends and I drove to Washington D.C. (a typical college road trip). I was not quite a food scientist yet, but I knew that Washington was where the FDA lived and it was an important organization that I would probably need to know more about in my future. I walked for miles trying to find the building, found it, walked in the lobby, and—realizing that it was mostly just offices—left. It was one of those Zen food science moments, and the only thing I remember about that trip.

For years I never had a reason to question the FDA or doubt anything they said about food. They told me how to label products, they told me what claims I could and could not use on my labels and they confused the heck out of me with their vague instructions on filling out Form 2541A, the FDA food process file for all methods except low-acid aseptic!

And now I find myself conflicted after attending a “Share the Secret” presentation on raw milk dairy products, presented by Mark McAfee, founder of Organic Pasture Dairy Co. Mark made quite a few convincing claims about raw milk and the FDA and the food industry in general that contradict what my textbooks, university professors and food science friends say, but actually resonated quite well with my organic, free-range, happy, cow-loving non-food-science friends that I hang out with at the farmers’ market with every weekend.

Here are a few “facts” that Mark McAffee presented to a seemingly organic audience (little did he know that the non-rule-breaking food microbiologist and Intrepid Culinologist was hiding in the audience!):

We are bacterio-sapiens. We have more bacteria in our body than genetically human cells. We have to feed and nourish these protective colonies of good bacteria. Modern medicine has depleted our beneficial bacteria colonies resulting in immune depression.
The FDA is sterilization-happy. They have turned us into germaphobes, and their efforts have resulted in all of us having weak, depressed immune systems.
... Everything has its place in the world... to eradicate a microbe that is a part of you, is essentially killing yourself.
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: aunaturale on January 19, 2010, 01:43:36 am
The below quote is referencing milk, but it's true with meat eating and really all ways of eating too.  We need microbes to be healthy.  Without them, guess what?  We as humans die.  End of story.

Great article Raw! Our Creator did indeed provide man with everything he needs
in order to live a healthy life. Microbes have been here since the dawn of time....
before man.

Destroy microbe, destroy man. Enough said.
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: djr_81 on January 19, 2010, 02:17:49 am
I aged grass-fed ground beef. Dunno if the type of meat matters, all I can
say is the taste just was not right.  ??? It was somewhat decomposing into a liquid form!
Is there a protocol you can suggest that will
produce a great "high meat"
Your description sounds like advanced high meat but the timeframe doesn't jive with the advanced stage. That's what concerns me.
As for protocol review the culinary sub-forum lower down the main page. It's got one of, if not the only, detailed threads on high meats on the internet. It should give you plenty of direction. :)
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: aunaturale on January 19, 2010, 02:33:49 am
Awesome, thank you for your help djr  8)
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: RawZi on January 19, 2010, 02:41:14 am
Did you feel anything when you ate the ground highmeats?
I feel something right away when I eat a little highmeat.

Who taught you to make it from ground up meat?  I would think the integrally important aerobic bacteria couldn't work on it correctly that way.  It must grow a different variety of bacterial colonies when you grind it first.
Your description sounds like advanced high meat but the timeframe doesn't jive with the advanced stage.
I aged grass-fed ground beef. Dunno if the type of meat matters, all I can say is the taste just was not right.  ??? 
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: aunaturale on January 19, 2010, 02:48:51 am
Did you feel anything when you ate the ground highmeats?
I feel something right away when I eat a little highmeat.

Who taught you to make it from ground up meat?  I would think the integrally important aerobic bacteria couldn't work on it correctly that way.  It must grow a different variety of bacterial colonies when you grind it first.

IMO I dont think I ate enough to induce any "high meat" reaction...
I threw out about a quarter of a pound I made for this experiment

Simply, it didn't sit right in my mouth. Producing a different type of bacteria
as apposed to the correct way in making "high meat" I dont know,
but you're onto something!

I've decided to eliminate all ground meats and go for roasts and
shanks instead. I'll give those a try this week and let you know how
it comes out  ;)
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: RawZi on January 19, 2010, 03:05:02 am
I've decided to eliminate all ground meats and go for roasts and shanks instead. I'll give those a try this week and let you know how
it comes out  ;)

    If you haven't already, read Geoff Purcell's or RPG All-Expert's entries online about how he makes highmeats.  You could also buy Recipe For Living Without Disease to learn.  Cut the meat into bite size chunks and give a good amount of surfaces air to "breath".  Enough bacteria grow that at least I can feel it fast when it's only been in my mouth a second or two.
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: TylerDurden on January 19, 2010, 03:49:35 am
    If you haven't already, read Geoff Purcell's or RPG All-Expert's entries online about how he makes highmeats.  You could also buy Recipe For Living Without Disease to learn.  Cut the meat into bite size chunks and give a good amount of surfaces air to "breath".  Enough bacteria grow that at least I can feel it fast when it's only been in my mouth a second or two.
  There's a high-meat preparation guide in the culinary creationd forum within the rawpaleoforum website:-

http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/display-your-culinary-creations/high-meat-recipe-preparation-for-more-advanced-rafers/

As for effects of high-meat they can vary from person to person. I, for example, only generally feel an effect the next day, for some reason, and I usually need high amounts(2 bite-sized chunks rather than the marble-sized amounts AV recommends).
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: miles on January 20, 2010, 05:11:44 am
How did he get this infection? Is it something I should 'worry' about?
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: aunaturale on January 20, 2010, 05:35:28 am
I most likely got this after my course of antibiotics.. This allowed pylori to thrive,
as well as Candida and possibly even parasites to flourish.
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: norawnofun on October 31, 2019, 03:18:15 pm
I am resurrecting this thread because I think I have this condition after listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPsKX0zqxCo, it might be the root cause of all the digestive troubles I had and to a certain extend still have. The low stomach acid. Since H.pylori has the ability to diminish stomach acid significantly, causing candida owergrowth, parasites and what not to take over, I might finally understand why red wine, green tea, liquorice, honey among others did me so well when I consumed them. It would also explain the horrible detox night I once had, puking out hundreds of worms when drinking 2.5 cups of green tea. It might also explain why I have problems with eating chicken, since it seems to be high in h.pylori, eggs could be another food to avoid when u have h.pylori overgrowth/infection.

Good Samaritan, Why do you think that fully cooked fatty pork for 1-2 days is helpful for h.pylori? Is it the lectins that are able to battle this heliobacter?

Many ways to deal with tummy pain.
No one is certain if that diagnosis is accurate.

Things I know that have worked for me or other people:
- herbal colon cleansing and liver flushes
- fully cooked fatty pork for 1 day or 2 days
- Dr. Henry Bieler's soup
- zapping with a hulda clark zapper any variant
- herbal dewormer / parasite cleanser
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: goodsamaritan on November 06, 2019, 01:11:07 pm
Many ways to deal with tummy pain.
No one is certain if that diagnosis is accurate.

Things I know that have worked for me or other people:
- herbal colon cleansing and liver flushes
- fully cooked fatty pork for 1 day or 2 days
- Dr. Henry Bieler's soup
- zapping with a hulda clark zapper any variant
- herbal dewormer / parasite cleanser


I was asked this on PM.

I'm just saying the cooked fatty pork belly, roasted, did in fact cure my tummy pain in the past.
I have no idea why, but when I am sick, I am willing to try anything.

This is common commercial stuff I can get around my city, so I just had to try it.

I am quoting a statement I made in 2010... more than 9 years ago!
Title: Re: H. Pylori :(
Post by: norawnofun on November 08, 2019, 03:07:59 pm
ok thanks, then it seems the quality of the pork, even if cooked, did not matter in your case. Only thing is that tummy pain can be related to a lot of issues. Anyhow, soon I will know more about this.