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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: Leofire on January 19, 2010, 11:49:25 am
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I was wondering if anyone out there has experience raw dairy withdrawal and if so, what were your symptoms and how long did it take to kick those symptoms?
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I stop using raw dairy frequently. Withdrawing I don't notice much. Going without raw meat too long I get gas pains in my chest and back.
Clue us in if you don't mind on some more details, like:
How long have you been using raw dairy?
Is it grainfed?
What more precisely are your health concerns?
Or anything else you care to share.
I see you have not made any posts but this one yet.
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When I was still consuming raw dairy pre-rawpalaeo, I had developed an intense addiction to raw dairy, along with a total disgust for any other raw animal foods(I'd actually liked the taste of some raw meats prior to my taking up raw dairy). I don't know about withdrawal, I just felt awful for the first few days but managed to carry on as I'd got hold of some raw wildcaught seafood etc. and my taste for other raw animal foods gradually returned.
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When I was still consuming raw dairy pre-rawpalaeo, I had developed an intense addiction to raw dairy, along with a total disgust for any other raw animal foods(I'd actually liked the taste of some raw meats prior to my taking up raw dairy).
I try to keep my raw dairy separate to some extent from the raw meat. I don't think raw milk digests very well inside at the same time as raw meat or raw fish. Did you eat fruit or vegetables with the milk? Many people do the raw milk cure diet, of raw milk alone for forty days or more. I find I can drink room temp full fat fully raw grass grazed kefir with raw fertile egg and unheated honey, all room temperature, not gulped, absolutely no problem. Milk IS made for babies, a time when we make growth or healing hormone and sleep more than later on, a time we don't eat many other foods.
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I try to keep my raw dairy separate to some extent from the raw meat. I don't think raw milk digests very well inside at the same time as raw meat or raw fish. Did you eat fruit or vegetables with the milk? Many people do the raw milk cure diet, of raw milk alone for forty days or more. I find I can drink room temp full fat fully raw grass grazed kefir with raw fertile egg and unheated honey, all room temperature, not gulped, absolutely no problem. Milk IS made for babies, a time when we make growth or healing hormone and sleep more than later on, a time we don't eat many other foods.
At first I would avoid all raw animal foods other than raw dairy and eat some raw plant foods, but, eventually, my addiction to raw dairy became so great that I hardly ate anything else and just was basically doing a raw milk diet.
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When I gave up 3+ liters a day of pasteurized milk I did not notice withdrawals. Now I only eat raw butter with or without meat and I seem to do fine.
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At first I would avoid all raw animal foods other than raw dairy and eat some raw plant foods, but, eventually, my addiction to raw dairy became so great that I hardly ate anything else
When my son was very little, his baby sitter wouldn't give him the healthy food I left for him. Instead she gave him sugar treats and chocolate milk. Result? He wouldn't eat anything but milk and got a dairy allergy, which he hadn't had before. I had never given him chocolate milk before either. I definitely had never left pasteurized animal milk for him. From his reactions, I had to remove every trace of dairy from his diet; because what she did triggered (such severe) intestinal reactions, which he never had before at all.
Strange, now. Of late he has been trying to do the milk cure. He's doing a lot of raw butter though and lots of raw fruit and some raw vegetables.
One of the most prolific of these doctors, Charles Sanford Porter MD, published a book called, Milk Diet as a Remedy for Chronic Disease in 1905. In the book he relates how at least 18,000 patients had been on the raw milk diet under his care in the last 37 years. This was not some fad diet, or quick-flash trend. This was a solid, scientifically proven method for healing mild to severe disorders. In 1929, one of the founders of the Mayo Foundation (forerunner to the Mayo Clinic), J.E. Crew MD reported that he had been successfully using the raw milk treatment for the last 15 years. He said, "The results obtained in various types of disease have been so uniformly excellent that one's conception of disease and its alleviation is necessarily changed. When sick people are limited to a diet containing an excess of vitamins and all the elements necessary to growth and maintenance, they recover rapidly without the use of drugs and without bringing to bear all the complicated weapons of modern medicine."
He does withdraw when we can't get healthy (raw biodynamic) butter or (raw biodynamic) milk. The symptoms he says are blurry vision falling flopping around type of dreams and dizziness and eyes get blurry, like he can't get any footing. He says it feels Really bad, he'll even lose consciousness, wake up somewhere else (in the dream), his teeth start hurting a lot and feels like there is no oxygen in the air to breath into himself no matter how many or what kind of breaths he takes. He says it feels like his dreaming mechanism is breaking. He started this milk cure though, cause he had gotten into a position (to no fault of his own) he was so sick his health was at an end.
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Thanks for the feedback guys! I'll try to fill you all in on my raw dairy issues.
First off, skin issues(I know this isn't a withdrawal issue, but it's related). I have scaly skin on my face(nose, skin on the sides of nose, eyebrows, forehead(mostly upper, middle), and scalp). Every time I wash those areas, redness occurs. I do apply coconut oil to my face on a daily basis to relieve the flakes. It gets worse when I have the dairy, but butter seems to be a lot better. Is there anything else that may be causing this?
I've been drinking the raw milk since 2006 and I didn't have such a problem when I first started drinking it. There were periods where I'd consume 1/2gal.+ a day.
Just cravings for it and some anxiety when I go off it. I definitely have more clarity and energy without.
Thanks.
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cravings for it and some anxiety
It seems you are meaning "dairy" as "liquid milk"
There is a lot of sugar in milk
Your symptoms are the same as withdrawal from sugars rather than specifically to milk
Not all dairy products have the same composition, ie the difference between butter and milk
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I feel you're right on the sugar issue. I've been feeling that for a while. I also have problems with fruit or any kind sugars. If I keep it simple with meats, organs, and fat, I'm good.
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The only dairy that I eat is raw butter, but only from time to time. I eat it combined with some dried fruits, such as plums, about 1 hour after meat. The digestion is very good.
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Your symptoms are the same as withdrawal from sugars rather than specifically to milk
Not all dairy products have the same composition, ie the difference between butter and milk
If I drink a cup of cold raw biodynamic milk quickly, I get a stomach ache. If I drink it too often, even not cold or I drink it slow, I'll get some flakiness in the skin. I have to culture it well a couple of days to get pure good effect.
One of my cats too eats dairy. I'll put our a little cream or milk from the same what I eat/drink. She ignores it, gives it a sniff and passes it by, until it is cultured/curdled and sour after a few days, even though she is eating plenty of good raw meat during those same days. She has a big appetite for good food.