Paleo Diet: Raw Paleo Diet and Lifestyle Forum
Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Hot Topics => Topic started by: kurite on February 15, 2010, 01:29:33 pm
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Hey just wondering if anyone has done this? How long were you on raw paleo? What were the side effects from eating a sad diet again? Did you have problems with parasites? Please give as much detail as you have.
thanks
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This should only be in the hot topics forum. As regards going back to SAD diets, depends what you mean. If you mean giving up entirely on rawpalaeo for whatever reasons, then they're hardly likely to remain on this board. If you're referring to people who go 100% RVAF while healing and who then return to eating small amounts of cooked foods on occasion after having healed, then that would apply to the majority of us here on this board. I'm a case in point. In the early years of going rawpalaeo, there were periods when I went 6 months to 12 months without a single non-rawpalaeo meal. In the end, though, like most rawpalaeos, I decided to compromise with cooked foods occasionally for social reasons, especially once I'd recovered my health.
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yes i have yesterday eaten pizza and subway sandwitch after 3 months of raw meat eating. I chose to quit because i felt heavy after eating my meat meal, probably due to the dry,crumbily bone marrow that i used as my fat source which slowed down passage of food throughout my intestines and stomach. Maybe i should experiment with the creamy ,liquidy type of marrow which i only tried once, but think i wont go back to raw paleo since i aint sick from eating SAD. I ate my cooked meal at 3-4pm and it came out perfectly digested and out of my bum at around 12pm. that is very fast considering my usually fecal matter comes out every 2-3 days. it came out perfectly smooth and not hard and constipated like my other ones on raw paleo. I dont recommend anyone go on raw paleo if they are already healthy on a cooked diet, because it may do more harm than good.
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Please keep me updated on your switch back.
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pc701, did you have any other negative side effects other than feeling heavy?
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Well actually i wasnt 100% raw paleo throughout the whole 3-4 months, i was eating alot of pasturized yogurt and cream and butter(couldnt get a hold of raw), i have only recently added raw bone marrow and have been 100% raw like maybe say 2-3 weeks ago. although i used have dark under eyes (blueish, purple) when i was eating 100% raw paleo but now their gone while i quit the diet. I cant say much because i wasnt raw paleo at all except maybe for like 2-3 weeks, and all i can report is that the dry type of bone marrow didnt suit me. I want eat some whole foods and not processed stuff like pizza and big macs, so i may change something and just eat fish and seafood and eggs and vegetables and fruits and maybe some sort of cooked grains because i have a feeling that raw beef doesnt suit me. I just have to find some type of whole food diet that i actually have no problem eating, as the last couple weeks i get bored of eating the same thing all the time and stuff that doesnt seem that much appetizing.
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pc701,
I'm still fairly new to this diet too and trying organs and different muscle meat like horse, venison or bison has made a huge difference, the diet went from being boring (only beef) to much more interesting. There are still many meat/organs i haven't tried and looking forward to trying them. I don't think i could stick to the diet if i were to eat nothing but beef but that's just me.
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i didnt eat nothing but beef, ate some liver and fishes too.
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yes i have yesterday eaten pizza and subway sandwitch after 3 months of raw meat eating. I chose to quit because i felt heavy after eating my meat meal, probably due to the dry,crumbily bone marrow that i used as my fat source which slowed down passage of food throughout my intestines and stomach. Maybe i should experiment with the creamy ,liquidy type of marrow which i only tried once, but think i wont go back to raw paleo since i aint sick from eating SAD. I ate my cooked meal at 3-4pm and it came out perfectly digested and out of my bum at around 12pm. that is very fast considering my usually fecal matter comes out every 2-3 days. it came out perfectly smooth and not hard and constipated like my other ones on raw paleo. I dont recommend anyone go on raw paleo if they are already healthy on a cooked diet, because it may do more harm than good.
Seems your version of raw paleo was raw carnivore / zero carb?
Have you tried raw omnivore? Some fruit, some vegs + meat.
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yes i was eating fruits too and veg too, the problem was i wasnt feeling right/and wasnt in the mood of eating much and i bet it was all due to the bone marrow that i recently introduced. yesterday i decided to eat a sandwitch and some pizza and felt better, no more bloating stomach after a meal, and energy was great too. but i dont think i get bloated/heavy stomach feeling with eggs as my fat source, never tried suet though. i just have to find some combination of whole foods that i find appetizing. I got no problem eating raw beef, fish and organs, except not everyday, it gets boring for me a little.
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Well i have eaten cooked for 3 days now, and i can report that the dark under my eyes have decreased and by fecal matter has so far come out of my bum every day versus every 2 or 3 days, no more bloating too, and no more slight constipation. but the unfortunate thing is that i am eating junk food (pizza, cooked concoctions of all sorts). Tommorow i will begin my raw food diet and see if the slight dark under eyes gets darker. I will eliminate beef along with bone marrow, and only eat fish and eggs or butter as my fat source. And i will eat larger amounts of fruits and probably include certain vegetable juices as to cleanse the body. If the dark under my eyes gets worse then i think that is a bad sign of something going wrong. i will try to somewhat try to follow my instincts regarding what to eat. Sometimes i feel like eating lots of honey of fruits like bananas, before i didnt feel like eating raw beef yet i still ate it, rather than eating something that i would crave like some kind of fish.
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pc701 have you read anything that may be the cause of the blue under your eyes?
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yes, eating improper foods for ones body. For me that probably would be large amounts of pasturized yogurt/milk and cream, and maybe raw meats. I think its a kidney issue. I have to experiments and see if its truely the raw meats that causes it.
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or it may be caused by excessive vitamin A or D content from cod liver oil, which i have quit the last 3 days.
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Do your eyes feel tired when you have dark under your eyes? Or is it just cosmetic appearance?
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just cosmetic
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Is the cod liver oil naturally fermented or is the vitamin A and D artificially put back into the oil? Artificial vitamins can cause problems. Please keep me up to date with whats happening.
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yes naturally fermented from green pastures type. Another reason may be too much protein stresses my kidneys...I say that because when cooking meats the protein count deminishes, but with raw meats there is more protein...
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I asked dr ron if cod liver oil can cause dark circles but he said no. I bought 50lbs worth of bone marrow at 70 cents a pound, i will throw it out. But i plan on probably using the very liquidy type of marrow since it easier to eat/digest. But i think that if i eat more fruits and less meat/protein the dark circles will disapper. There is another guy on this forum who has dark circles too and he eliminated it on a raw vegan diet, so i am guessing that it is caused by excessive protein intake since he now eats raw meat high in protein.
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About what percentage of your calories come from fruit???
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well today i have not touched any animal protein and it seems that the dark circles are slowly but surely disappearing. does anyone know how much protein loss there is after cooking, difference between raw meat and cooked?
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well today i have not touched any animal protein and it seems that the dark circles are slowly but surely disappearing. does anyone know how much protein loss there is after cooking, difference between raw meat and cooked?
No protein loss occurs, the protein just gets denatured so that less of it is bioavailable.
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...fecal matter comes out every 2-3 days. it came out perfectly smooth and not hard and constipated like my other ones on raw paleo. I dont recommend anyone go on raw paleo if they are already healthy on a cooked diet, because it may do more harm than good.
Well actually i wasnt 100% raw paleo throughout the whole 3-4 months, i was eating alot of pasturized yogurt and cream and butter(couldnt get a hold of raw), i have only recently added raw bone marrow and have been 100% raw like maybe say 2-3 weeks ago. although i used have dark under eyes (blueish, purple) when i was eating 100% raw paleo but now their gone while i quit the diet. I cant say much because i wasnt raw paleo at all except maybe for like 2-3 weeks, and all i can report is that the dry type of bone marrow didnt suit me. ...
So, according to the above, you ate "alot" of dairy products, which are known to be constipating and are prohibited on raw Paleo as officially espoused by this forum, admit you weren't "raw paleo at all except maybe for like 2-3 weeks," and got super constipated and purple circles under the eyes and yet blamed it on raw Paleo? Please forgive me, but I'm missing the connection.
I want eat some whole foods and not processed stuff like pizza and big macs, so i may change something and just eat fish and seafood and eggs and vegetables and fruits and maybe some sort of cooked grains because i have a feeling that raw beef doesnt suit me. I just have to find some type of whole food diet that i actually have no problem eating, as the last couple weeks i get bored of eating the same thing all the time and stuff that doesnt seem that much appetizing.
That sounds more understable than your initial comments. Did you change your mind from posts 29138 and 29169 after you thought about it some more?
or butter as my fat source.
Feel free to eat dairy, but don't blame any bad results on raw Paleo, nor give credit completely to raw Paleo when dairy is included, for here dairy is not considered truly Paleo. Of course, you may decide that you think dairy is Paleo, but you should then specify with a qualifier like "my conception of Paleo" to avoid confusing the newbies.
... when cooking meats the protein count deminishes, but with raw meats there is more protein...
How are you measuring the protein count? I try to keep my protein intake below 25%, myself. Since I don't do well on carbs, I try to eat lots of fat (75-85%) to keep the protein down, but you may find you can tolerate more carbs than me.
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I think including animal protein in a diet worsens kidney problems, doesnt solve or help them.
Whatever, all i know is that if my dark eye circles(which are just barely visible)get completely removed by lessening or even removing animal protein from my diet, then we will all know now the possible dangers of excess animal food consumption.
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I think including animal protein in a diet worsens kidney problems, doesnt solve or help them.
Whatever, all i know is that if my dark eye circles(which are just barely visible)get completely removed by lessening or even removing animal protein from my diet, then we will all know now the possible dangers of excess animal food consumption.
There is a time to fast and a time to eat.
Dr. Henry Bieler hammered on this in 1965 in his book.
Maybe you are currently over protenized. Some juice fasting and a few meat free weeks will do you good.
I myself had digestive issues in my eczema days with constipated liver and gall bladder. But when I healed my digestion I could now eat serious quantities of meat.
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yes i have not touched any animal foods for the last 2 or 3 days, i am eating just a little fruits and vegetable juice, i have considered fasting and I experienced it as beneficial for me in the past.
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I think including animal protein in a diet worsens kidney problems, doesnt solve or help them.
Are you saying that any animal protein at all is bad for all people?
Whatever, all i know is that if my dark eye circles(which are just barely visible)get completely removed by lessening or even removing animal protein from my diet, then we will all know now the possible dangers of excess animal food consumption.
...for you.
From what I can see RPD is not about one single, precise shoe fits all. It's about finding what works for you as an individual while using a rough Paleo metabolic template as a clue-provider rather than a final, absolute answer. Even if it turns out that we are all biologically just omnivores or just facultative carnivores, there is a wide range of possible diets within those categories.
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pc707, as we were under evolutionary pressure, animals were what we ate. There is no food were are better adapted to than raw animals.
However, this is a general statement to counter yours that: 'we will all know now the possible dangers of excess animal food consumption.' Based on the results of one observation of yours. If you are talking mass-wise, then excess consumption of animals could be negative. If you are talking proportions, then I don't see how that could be the case except in relation to water.
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No i am not saying any animal protein is bad for people. I say that if one has some kidney problems then your probably not going to cure the person using raw meat or high amounts of raw meat. rather, your probably going to heal it through a diet low in protein and most likely raw vegan/jucing. If i 100% remove my dark eye cirlces through limiting raw meat, well then i guess that can prove to some extent that excess animal protein could be harmful to some.
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Optimal Diet of Kwasniewski is quite low-protein, low-carb, but high-fat.
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Is it possible that some people cannot digest the proteins from raw meat and therefore the undigested proteins can cause problems on the kidneys? This may very well be the case and a good reason why all societies cook their meats. This could explain I think why more than a few have kidney related problems. I think Yuri may have a point regarding his last posts that the stomach acid denatures the proteins as does cooking raw meat so the proteins can be fully digested.
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This may very well be the case and a good reason why all societies cook their meats. This could explain I think why more than a few have kidney related problems.
A plethora of those people have got some kidney problems. Go to the hospital and ask a nephrologist.
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I am 100% sure that I have some kidney issues, i even had signs of it before i started raw paleo/raw meats. But i think there have been even more signs showing up that i have gotten once eating raw meats/it has gotten worse. Can anyone suggest to me what will be helpful/what foods to eat? Right now i am only eating fruits honey and some veg juice. I know that some people have healed their kidney problems through a raw vegan diet. Any specific food that might help the most? thanks.
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I don't know about the Kidneys, but sometimes if certain bacteria like e-coli survive the stomach and get in to the intestines they can damage the adjoining organs. I guess that's one reason to make sure you only eat when you've got plenty of stomach acid?
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I am 100% sure that I have some kidney issues
If you think so than you've got to go to some good doctor and make thorough diagnostics.
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The doctors are only going to suscribe some pills, id rather heal it through foods. I believe I have all the symptoms of kidney related problems.
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The doctors are only going to suscribe some pills, id rather heal it through foods. I believe I have all the symptoms of kidney related problems.
I didn't say about avarage doctor but about very good specialist, who would make complete diagnostics. Than you'll know for sure what is wrong with your kidneys.
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Yeah, it's probably a good idea to go to a doc and make sure you haven't got a urinary tract infection or kidney disease, to be on the safe side. When I was still eating wheat, dairy, etc., I put off going to the doc once, not knowing I had a UTI (probably with a small kidney stone--wheat was the food that really brought them on for me), and I became extremely ill and my temp went up to 104F. Luckily, my fever broke quickly after that, but I probably could have done some permanent damage if it had continued or worsened.
I don't think all people need to eat lots of plant foods or cook their meats to avoid kidney stones (the Stone Agers and traditional Inuit did not have high rates of kidney stones and no other traditional Arctic hunting peoples have been reported to have high kidney stone rates until AFTER they adopted a modern, more thoroughly processed diet). As I've reported many times now, I found loads of info pointing to the benefits of water (especially Mg-rich mineral water) and a magnesium-rich diet (seafood, seaweed, flesh and eggs from animals fed on magnesium-rich pastures, avoiding sugar, grains and linoleic oils, etc.) for preventing kidney stones (though it may not be enough to repair the damage done from years of a Mg-deficient diet, GI damage, etc.). Americans were ingesting around 500 mg of magnesium per day in 1900 and are now down below 300 mg and eating grain and milk products that deplete Mg levels in the body and/or contain too much poorly-absorbed calcium. (see http://www.naturalnews.com/023199.html, http://onlygrassfed.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=48&Itemid=29, http://www.bestgrassfedbeef.com/health-benefits.html, etc.)
What one rarely sees mentioned when people write about ZCers getting kidney stones, is that Lex was intentionally restricting water before he got his, and he is probably especially prone to them (he has a family history of them) and many ZCers eat grainfed meats that are lower in Mg and avoid more Mg-rich flesh from pasture-fed organs and eggs. I have a history of Mg deficiency symptoms that improve with Mg replacements, so I continue to take some (stopping them cold turkey brought back some mild symptoms), though at a lower (and gradually decreasing) dose than before (my Mg-deficiency symptoms had been increasing while I had been eating significant plant carbs). I think the problem that ZCers and carnivores face is that we know very little about this WOE, so we aren't aware of things like that the traditional facultatively carnivorous Inuit diet was rich in Mg and included enormous quantities of water (be wary of water intoxication, however).
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Read up on watermelons I read somewhere they're easy on the kidneys and some people eat nothing but watermelon (watermelon fast) for kidney problems.