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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: kurite on February 18, 2010, 05:52:10 pm
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Do paleos eat roots and root vegetables such as carrots because I heard they are starchy.
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Some do. Most root vegetables are relatively inedible raw, such as raw broccoli, so those are avoided. A few like me have a bunch of carrots once in a blue moon, but that's about it.
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Some do. Most root vegetables are relatively inedible raw, such as raw broccoli, so those are avoided. A few like me have a bunch of carrots once in a blue moon, but that's about it.
I though broccoli was a cabbage ?
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I though broccoli was a cabbage ?
My error. I just lump most veg together. Oh, I forgot , I also like raw radishes(aren't they root vegetables?)
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AFAIK radishes are quite easily digestable
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AFAIK radishes are quite easily digestable
Not for me.
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Not for me.
Even if thoroughly chewed?
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Even if thoroughly chewed?
Raw veggies are pretty hard for me to digest, period. I can eat a little bit, but I do have to eat them in moderation to avoid stomach pain.
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What about some of the easier to digest vegetables? Lke cucumbers?
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What about some of the easier to digest vegetables? Lke cucumbers?
Pickled ones - e.g. Polish style pickled cucumbers.
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Now that I think about it carrots are kinda heavy in my stomach. Is this bad?
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Thats why its better to juice vegetables rather than eat them whole
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Yah but that also concentrates anti nutrients.
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dont worry about those anti-nutrients, it's just a mind worry/game.
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Yah I kinda feel like thats true but at the same time if we are eating a true rp diet than you wouldn't be drinking vege juice.
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Yah I kinda feel like thats true but at the same time if we are eating a true rp diet than you wouldn't be drinking vege juice.
No, you wouldn't.
Juicing breaks everything down right up front which causes difficulties with a quick influx of sugars. You also don't get the benefits of saliva's action on the vegetables.
I personally don't eat vegetables, nor plan on ever adding them back into my diet, but if I did I'd eat them either whole or chewing them up and spitting out the fiber.
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What about some of the easier to digest vegetables? Lke cucumbers?
Cucumber skin is hard to digest. The rest of it is pretty easy.
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Is this true for other vegetables like carrots? If i peel the skin will that amke it easier to digest???
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dont worry about those anti-nutrients, it's just a mind worry/game.
This is just a load of b*ll and it's irresponsible for you to make such a claim. There are plenty of ex-Primal Dieters who have reported all sorts of health-problems while drinking the huge amounts of veggie-juice that AV recommends(25% of diet!).
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Well bullshit might seem too much of a harsh word considering people have healed cancer as well as other diseases with juicing. Best to listen to what your body says and not what some scientific man is lab coat says. I suspect the benefits outweigh the potential problems and that most do fine with it.
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It depends what you are comparing it to...
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It is always so much confusion on this forum about AV contra paleo, I don´t know why. The two have nothing to do with each other.
Aajonus PD is a diet that he has developed over the years, trial/error way, and consist of what works for him (struggeling with some difficult diseases in the past) and his clients. You can divide the PD into two parts:
1. The foods that are good for you due to evolutionary reasons, foods that have suited humans since our hunter-gatherer past. This are meats, fats and 5 % carbs (in form of one low carb fruit a day for example, or wild berries), that turns into alchohol and helps digest meats.
2. The other part of the diet is the foods that are supposed to compensate for a life time of eating cooked foods, and are not part of a paleo diet. This is first veggie juices from low carb, mainly green, veggies to give some of the enzymes back to people who have eaten lots of cocked foods. And secondly dairy, that is suppose to give extra minerals back to people who have eaten a mineral deficient diet before, (everyone, but especially vegetarians). This is also to compensate for not getting enough or good quality milk from our mothers. It is natural for us to nurse for many years. He recognizes that some people are not doing well on any carbs, and should avoid veggiejuice and fruits alltogether. Kids that grows up on raw meat does not have to drink veggie juice ever, according to AV. He also states that some people does not digest milk even when fermented, room temperature and honey added for extra digestive enzymes, and they should avoid it totally.
He does not recommend anybody to eat whole veggies (since we can´t digest them and they interfere with the Ph-balance in our stomach, it has to be acid if you eat RAF), and if you don´t have a juicer he recommends that you chew some cellery or other low carb veggies and spit the pulp, for enzymes (if you feel you need them) and for hydration.
It´s all about finding what works for you. Myself, I started out as a strict PD, but have no taste for the veggiejuice more (so I don´t drink it) but I still enjoy raw butter, cream and milk. I think that this might be a temporary phase as well, and I will end up a pure raw paleo eventually. If my body wants dairy I will provide, if I loose the taste for it, or notice any other bad effects from it, then I will quit it.
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You should NEVER eat carbohydrates! Its all about being in a ketogenic state and using FAT as fuel. If you eat carbs you will get diabeties, just look at society today! Sometimes I just eat oil for 7 days. As much as I care for. If you feel your gallbladder it just means the raw fats are cleansing out the old fatty residues from cooked meat. If it hurts then you need to drink more. During these mono oil weeks I strictly do not drink any water. Its called an Oil pull-gall bladder flush. Has anyone else done these?
Carbs are an addiction!! Be strong and say no to honey, fruit, baked potato or even oysters as these have way too much sugar for the human endocrine system to handle!
Sugar addiciton will be detoxified in a few years so stay strong. If you really crack then eat a fully green banana or 2. But even then its better not to. Discipline if your friend, dont be weak! EAT MORE FAT IF YOU CRAVE SUGAR! its simply your body crying out for fat. The more fat we eat, the fatter we can become and therefore we can help remove the old toxins. Ive put on 36lbs in the last 3 months of pure fat and Im damn proud of it! >D
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oysters have sugar? That's new.
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what exactly is this oil raw man?what type of fat i am asking
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raw meat man, I have a feeling that eating only oil probably isn't the most natural thing to do.
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What do you think about blended vegetables? Stanley Bass said that's very good option.
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Pay no attention to the raw meat man posts. It was a raw vegan troll who was banished. He was being sarcastic.
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Okay I was wondering it sounded like bull to me.
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What do you think about blended vegetables? Stanley Bass said that's very good option.
I'm not sure who you're asking, but I'll give a little of experiences on me:
Energy soup the way Ann Wigmore made it? ok, decent energy (no root vegies)
Raw green soup made by blending tomatoes first then blending other vegies into it? ok, moves bowels, nourishes teeth, I didn't use root vegies
Green smoothie(mango, kale, water something like that)? Never again! (wasn't with root vegies)
Green smoothie with kefir or egg added? Disgusting :p (also were not with root veges)
So, I would do a little energy soup again or green soup as described, but not the others, not worth illness etc.
Oh, one more
Vegie Kraut (a la CHI blog): Nice, but better when eating a vegetarian diet (up to 50% carrot or daikon)
Also
Grated carrot alone or turnip: also ok with a vegetarian diet
I've met Stanley Bass too. He lured me with promises of a Vitamin D supplement even though he knew I was fully primal for years, then when I got there he gave a vegetarian diet ... etc ... and handed me a huge bill for the blather. I wish him well, but I eat meat and I eat it raw.
Brian Clement says much of the nutrients are lost blending on a raw vegan diet
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Brian Clement says much of the nutrients are lost blending on a raw vegan diet
Have you got some more information about this? Maybe some data?
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Have you got some more information about this? Maybe some data?
Brian Clement has data. Call his center and request them mail you a subscription or any other information.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIJJzy8i8wY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIJJzy8i8wY)
(some of his more recent words on blending in his experience at his vegan center)
There are quite a few other vegetarian groups who have always been opposed to blending, as blending oxygenates, which is not good for their food's bacteria.
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There are quite a few other vegetarian groups who have always been opposed to blending, as blending oxygenates, which is not good for their food's bacteria.
I wonder if this also happens with raw ground beef?
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The Inuit, Tyler and Aajonus say that oxygen is good for promoting healthy bacteria in meat and I haven't found anything to contradict them yet.
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The Inuit, Tyler and Aajonus say that oxygen is good for promoting healthy bacteria in meat and I haven't found anything to contradict them yet.
Aajonus says to eat less meat in the Summer. Inuit live in almost chronic Winter. Tibetans believe in eating red foods in Winter (meat) and white foods in Summer (koumiss-like preparations, yak butter). Small time farmers everywhere know when the most natural part of the solar year is to milk, and when the most logical parts of the solar year are to slaughter.
Meat is animals, it is life. Humans do well on life foods in Winter. Cream, fruit and salad cools. Humans like refreshment in Summer. In Summer the greens are growing everywhere giving oxygen more or less. We don't need more in a natural environment. In Winter all the leaves have dried up off the trees. We need more oxygenation then it seems.
It's just yin and yang, the three four or five elements, depending on your country of origin. The whole thing is about balance, IMHO.
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Aajonus says to eat less meat in the Summer. Inuit live in almost chronic Winter.
Even most traditional Inuit ate some plants (and therefore less meat) in the summer, so Aajonus is consistent with the Inuit there and he claimed in an interview that they were the ones who inspired him to eat raw meats and fish to begin with.
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Okay I know this one by AV makes sense so I will follow it but I really don't trust a lot of his health ideas.
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Even most traditional Inuit ate some plants (and therefore less meat) in the summer, so Aajonus is consistent with the Inuit there and he claimed in an interview that they were the ones who inspired him to eat raw meats and fish to begin with.
Those were Alaskan Inuit, who lived in a warm enough climate to have berries, but no root veggies.
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Yah but thats just due to unavailability.
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Okay I know this one by AV makes sense so I will follow it but I really don't trust a lot of his health ideas.
Same here. His latest radio show directed me to some interesting studies re: the hygiene hypothesis, but he also mentioned some odd stuff I didn't take seriously.
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Its just that he barely ever has any evidence for the assumptions he makes.