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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Exercise / Bodybuilding => Topic started by: Bairdo25 on February 23, 2010, 03:50:42 am
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In conventional bodybuilding it is crucial if youre looking to gain weight that you exceed your daily expenditure of calories. I havent worked out while on a RFD. But generally many bodybuilders recommend there meals are comprised of 40%carbs 30%fat and 30% protein or very close to this, some might say more protein and that you should be eating 6 or 7 meals a day to spread out the nutrients! Many people on this site claim eating once or twice a day! On a raw paleo some people would go 0 carb while others have said eating some carbs around the workout works for them. I still believe though that if one were to consume more calories than they are losing that on a diet like this you would achieve spectacular results! People eating once a day could most likely manage more food and this could be the one thing holding them back.
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Try to think of it in a paleoithic way. After a day of strenuous work chasing an animal, you get your prize...lots of fat and protein so after a workout try to incorporate fat and protein mostly. While you are recovering carbs are a must. I heard that many people get great results just from being on the rpd diet so don't worry to much about it just work hard and get your calories in.
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While you are recovering carbs are a must.
Nope. ;D
Anecdotally, of course. ;)
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I heard that many people get great results just from being on the rpd diet so don't worry to much about it just work hard and get your calories in.
He doesn't sounds worried, more inquistive about 'what-ifs' and the potential of body-building while doing such a diet that provides better qualities proteins etc..and less energy taken by digestion/bad foods and provides better all around recovery/functioning.
I think many people on these kinds of diet are just happy to be regaining their health, and in-turn, probably don't like the idea of eating more than they require. raw doesn't seem to attract many athletes looking for an 'edge', even if their is a possible potential for one, unless their health becomes compromised chasing it.
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While you are recovering carbs are a must.
What do you know? Whole grains, dairy is a must. I'm not saying your statement is wrong or right, but you making it is wrong. You do not know this.
Disclaimer: Post made half asleep after 1 am.
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When did I mention carbs or dairy?
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Bodybuilding on zero carb, particularly raw, is fantastic, especially with the Warrior Diet component. Why did I waste so many years eating carbs and eating mini meals -v.
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Bodybuilding on zero carb, particularly raw, is fantastic, especially with the Warrior Diet component. Why did I waste so many years eating carbs and eating mini meals -v.
What makes your approach 'Warrior' then if is without carbs, just the underrating or fasting until larger meals at night?
I think he is talking about bulking up, like "professional" bodybuilders could get better results on RPD if they ate the same quantities of food. and the reverse, that folks here could look like bodybuilders just by eating signifigantly more food and working out. I think alot of that stuff is based on water retention, which makes me think a detoxing all raw diet wouldn't yield the same results. That said it should be possible to have size and level of fitness that is greater than cooked paleo/primal's like De Vany or Mark Sisson, who are both admittedly not 'bodybuilder' types but are clearly very muscular and fit.
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I would just naturally think that our body would be able to more readily use the protein from raw meat and produce even bigger stronger longer lasting muscles. I actually read an article saying anyone who is on a SAD and is a bodybuilder doesn't really even have muscles because they lose them so fast after they stop working out. Trying to find article will post if I do.
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Anecdotely RPD produces stronger more dense muscle that lasts longer when you stop lifting. You don't get the size/bloat that SAD delivers. When eating RPD plus organs you can get a 10-15% increase in PR's at a 70kg bodyweight compared previous SAD diet/weight of 86kg.
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Anecdotely RPD produces stronger more dense muscle that lasts longer when you stop lifting. You don't get the size/bloat that SAD delivers. When eating RPD plus organs you can get a 10-15% increase in PR's at a 70kg bodyweight compared previous SAD diet/weight of 86kg.
I agree.One still needs to keep lifting but gains are quicker and last longer on RPD.
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You shouldnt have to lift weights to build strength. Its all about eating enough fats. If someone has to lift weights or workout to put on bulk then they are not eating enough raw animal fatz.
Put down the weights and pick up the fat intake and youll put on pure bulk a lot faster than burning calories lifting up heavy objects and putting them down again.
I put on 36lbs of pure bulk in the last few months..not many can say that eh?
Seriously guys, lifting weights just makes you skinny and starts up carb cravings.
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by bulk dont you mean fat,it is easy to gain weight as in fat but one cannot gain muscle just by eating fat,that takes lifting weights
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one cannot gain muscle just by eating fat,that takes lifting weights
but by eatiing fat and protein - yes, one can gain muscle
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You shouldnt have to lift weights to build strength. Its all about eating enough fats. If someone has to lift weights or workout to put on bulk then they are not eating enough raw animal fatz.
Put down the weights and pick up the fat intake and youll put on pure bulk a lot faster than burning calories lifting up heavy objects and putting them down again.
I put on 36lbs of pure bulk in the last few months..not many can say that eh?
Seriously guys, lifting weights just makes you skinny and starts up carb cravings.
In another post you mention this:
Hey, Ive put on 36lbs of pure fat in the last few months and I never exercise. There is no gyms in the jungle! :D
We should call you the "36lbs guy" :)
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So just to be clear you have put on 36lbs of Fat by eating a lot of animal fat?
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36 lb guy is a disinfo agent trying to play us for his fellow vegan friends.
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You shouldnt have to lift weights to build strength. Its all about eating enough fats. If someone has to lift weights or workout to put on bulk then they are not eating enough raw animal fatz.
Put down the weights and pick up the fat intake and youll put on pure bulk a lot faster than burning calories lifting up heavy objects and putting them down again.
I put on 36lbs of pure bulk in the last few months..not many can say that eh?
Seriously guys, lifting weights just makes you skinny and starts up carb cravings.
Lift weighting can help to reduce fats in our body, and it can gain muscles. It makes a great figure, but of course it doesn't mean that we get to eat too much fatty food. We must also need to be balanced in everything we eat. We must have a properly diet and proper exercise.
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I think we should change this forum to strenght training. BB is not paleo and having BB attracts spammers
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or maybe 'Physical Performance'
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Everything you need to know about bodybuilding nutrition such as the role of carbohydrates, proteins and fats when eating for lean muscle mass gains or for fat loss. You will also learn about the importance of caloric cycling for continued results and also about the effectiveness of low carb diets.
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Everything you need to know about bodybuilding nutrition such as the role of carbohydrates, proteins and fats when eating for lean muscle mass gains or for fat loss. You will also learn about the importance of caloric cycling for continued results and also about the effectiveness of low carb diets.
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I used to be a vegetarian and devote swimmer and runner and was sick all the time, ending heavily underweight. I have been eating cooked paleo and weightlifting about 3,5 years ago. My health increased dramatically and so did my strenght. Ive gained 33 lbs/ 15 kilo doing nothing more than squats, bench presses, pull ups and deadlifts.
In the first year and a half i adhered to a very low carb paleo (less than 30gr carbs a day) cobined with IF. At first i had great results, lots of energy, i leaned down and experienced very fast musclegrowth. After a while this slowed down and eventually stopped. My energy levels went sdown (nothing compared with pre paleo, but still noticably less). Then i read Kiefer's carb Backloading and i started my paleo take on his strategy. I combined it with IF (fasting for 12 to 15 hours) Then i eat high fat before training(and on non training days} , train in the late afternoon/evening and eat very high carb, high protein after that. With the carbs mainly coming from cooked root vegetables. The results have been amazing. energy levels restored super fast, fat burning accelerated and i gained more and much faster musclemass than before. I started this 9 months ago and the results are still as good. I managed to bring my deadlift at 2x bodyweight (352lbs)
Just very recently i decided to take the step to raw Paleo and now i find myself with a difficulty of macronutrient intake. Where to get my carbs? I dont want to overconsume fruit. And i dont want to go back to very low carb/ keto, or do you think VLC would have a different effect on my metabolism when i eat raw? I do admit that i am a wee worried for loosing my gains. Been a week on raw now and i noted an increase in strenght or at least a stagnation, defo no inclination, also my weight didnt change. I did note an increase in overall energy and happiness :) But this week have been raw meats, fish, organs + coconut oil, olive oil + fruits, honey, and in the first 3 days also some cooked roots, but started leaving these out now. So what should i do?
Low carb or exchanging the roots with fruit and honey?
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I would try fruit + honey. Bananas work well for me. If that doesn't work, let us know.
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but what about fructose and the formation of triglycerides?
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but what about fructose and the formation of triglycerides?
I think the sperm actually use fructose as an energy source.
http://armymedical.tpub.com/MD0579/MD05790020.htm (http://armymedical.tpub.com/MD0579/MD05790020.htm)
" Fructose energizes the sperm, and prostaglandins assistsejaculation and stimulates uterine contractions. Thus, both fructose and prostaglandinshelp sperm move to the uterine tubes where fertilization occurs.
I also think the liver can convert fructose into glycogen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fructolysis#Synthesis_of_Glycogen_from_DHAP_and_Glyceraldehyde_3_Phosphate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fructolysis#Synthesis_of_Glycogen_from_DHAP_and_Glyceraldehyde_3_Phosphate) - under 1.2
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on a raw diet it is very easy to gain muscle even when not eating so much. This is what iv noticed over time. After a heavy workout, even if i cant find good food and eat very little for a couple days my muscle will still heal and become stronger. This is due to incredible utilizabilty of raw protien as compared to cooked, you need much less to do the same thing.
as far as meat after a workout iv heard that sugar is most important directly after a workout. THis rings true for me as i always crave fruit right after a workout and dont feel like eating any meat until several hours later.
the beautiful thing about raw paleo and working out is that you dont need to worry so much about nutrition to gain muscle since all your foods go such a long way due to being raw.
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I used to be a vegetarian and devote swimmer and runner and was sick all the time, ending heavily underweight. I have been eating cooked paleo and weightlifting about 3,5 years ago. My health increased dramatically and so did my strenght. Ive gained 33 lbs/ 15 kilo doing nothing more than squats, bench presses, pull ups and deadlifts.
In the first year and a half i adhered to a very low carb paleo (less than 30gr carbs a day) cobined with IF. At first i had great results, lots of energy, i leaned down and experienced very fast musclegrowth. After a while this slowed down and eventually stopped. My energy levels went sdown (nothing compared with pre paleo, but still noticably less). Then i read Kiefer's carb Backloading and i started my paleo take on his strategy. I combined it with IF (fasting for 12 to 15 hours) Then i eat high fat before training(and on non training days} , train in the late afternoon/evening and eat very high carb, high protein after that. With the carbs mainly coming from cooked root vegetables. The results have been amazing. energy levels restored super fast, fat burning accelerated and i gained more and much faster musclemass than before. I started this 9 months ago and the results are still as good. I managed to bring my deadlift at 2x bodyweight (352lbs)
Just very recently i decided to take the step to raw Paleo and now i find myself with a difficulty of macronutrient intake. Where to get my carbs? I dont want to overconsume fruit. And i dont want to go back to very low carb/ keto, or do you think VLC would have a different effect on my metabolism when i eat raw? I do admit that i am a wee worried for loosing my gains. Been a week on raw now and i noted an increase in strenght or at least a stagnation, defo no inclination, also my weight didnt change. I did note an increase in overall energy and happiness :) But this week have been raw meats, fish, organs + coconut oil, olive oil + fruits, honey, and in the first 3 days also some cooked roots, but started leaving these out now. So what should i do?
Low carb or exchanging the roots with fruit and honey?
You sound low in animal fats, animal or fish omega threes. And then probably fats in general, meaning your body is trying to get it's energy from converting the excess protein. Deriving good amounts of energy from fat takes patience and practice, as it's so much easier to just down some sugar something and raise blood sugar.
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very true. it definitely takes time for the body to adapt to burning mostly raw fat but the change is extremely worth it.
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So, what ratio are you guys who actually do strength training combined with bodybuilding eating?
I'm currently low on animal fat, upping animal fat would mean $$ for me probably (not too much but need some investing on freezer)
What does animal fat do to you, with regards to bodybuilding/strength training per say?
I know for one it provides energy and boosts testosterone, what else?
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I don't think much about it. Just eat well and how you want, and push yourself to your absolute limits. The intensity will force you to change.
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I don't see how anyone would be in great health if they are only eating once a day!
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Bodybuilding on zero carb, particularly raw, is fantastic, especially with the Warrior Diet component. Why did I waste so many years eating carbs and eating mini meals -v.
Forgive me if I sounds naïve, I am new to this site and to RFD, what is the warrior diet?
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Forgive me if I sounds naïve, I am new to this site and to RFD, what is the warrior diet?
http://www.warriordiet.com/ (http://www.warriordiet.com/)
Google everything.
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do the work out and eat the protein powder. caution on the diet.plus. the L- carnitine or the transliteration of kanitin, is a kind of amino acids promoting fat into energy, red meat is the main source of L-carnitine, non-toxic side effects on the human body. by take this supps. eating less meat and build muscle up. cheers.
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Forgive me if I sounds naïve, I am new to this site and to RFD, what is the warrior diet?
Thanks for asking the question, I enjoyed finding out about the Warrior Diet from a Western A Price Foundation review, in the comments there are heaps of people raving about skipping breakfast and eating little throughout the day, having a lot of exercise, and eating a large meal / meals in the evening:
http://www.westonaprice.org/book-reviews/the-warrior-diet-by-ori-hofmekler/ (http://www.westonaprice.org/book-reviews/the-warrior-diet-by-ori-hofmekler/)
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Eating meals is necessary when it comes to bodybuilding. However, a nutrition expert would guide you in a better way which, how and when the food you have to take.
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For building muscle. You needs to follow an all-round diet plan.
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When I was in my 30's I did very well bodybuilding, eating raw eggs. I used to consume a dozen or two a day and a few people thought I was on steroids. Now I will be 60 in less than 9 months and nearly everyone accuses me of being on them but my secret is raw organ meat smoothies. I tried the raw eggs and they don't work nearly as good for me as they did in my 30's maybe eggs aren't as good as they used to be. I still do them once in a while. I can really tell the difference and feel like crap when I go off my diet. Bodybuilding is way more related to diet than exercise. I don't even feel like exercising when I go off my diet.
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I hear a lot about calorie restriction but how do people consider it in the context of food type? 100 calories of spinach is not the same as 100 calories of a candy bar...
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Raw organ meat smoothies sounds Interesting...anyone else do that? Any recipe ideas to make it palatable?
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Or, learn to enjoy the taste of each organ and learn to find the stop when eating to help your body not overdo what it needs. the continual small sampling of organs will most often lead to developing a taste for them.
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diet pills (https://www.dietpills.best/) When I was in my 30's I did very well bodybuilding, eating raw eggs. I used to consume a dozen or two a day and a few people thought I was on steroids. Now I will be 60 in less than 9 months and nearly everyone accuses me of being on them but my secret is raw organ meat smoothies. I tried the raw eggs and they don't work nearly as good for me as they did in my 30's maybe eggs aren't as good as they used to be. I still do them once in a while. I can really tell the difference and feel like crap when I go off my diet. Bodybuilding is way more related to diet than exercise. I don't even feel like exercising when I go off my diet.
guys is eating 2-3-4 eggs a day healthy for my heart while bodybuilding? thanks in advance
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guys is eating 2-3-4 eggs a day healthy for my heart while bodybuilding? thanks in advance
Everyone is different. Some bodybuilders of yore such as Armand Tanny consumed dozens of raw eggs a day. I, on the other hand, find raw eggs to be only easily digested in small amounts. More than 3 a day, and then only once or twice a week at most, is OK, but any more and I start getting yellow diarrhea of sorts as my body does not seem to digest them that well then. I think I likely get a small reaction to the grains consumed by the relevant chickens. Anyway, unlike with other less natural diets, every RVAFer is different and has to constantly experiment in the early years to see what works best for them alone.
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Everything I know leads me to believe that the cholesterol scare from consuming raw eggs is total bullshit. Cholesterol is needed by the body. Without it you would die. The common alternative theory is that your body uses cholesterol in an attempt to patch damaged arteries from a poor diet when it doesn't have the nutrition it needs to repair them normally. Also there is no evidence that eating less cholesterol has anything to do with your cholesterol levels. Cholesterol is made primarily in the liver and the levels it makes are determined by stress. The higher the stress the more cholesterol it makes. Sort of like the more burning buildings there are the more firemen you will see.
Though it could have to do with feeding chickens on grain I suspect Tyler's problem with eggs has more to do with low stomach acid. Generally the older you get the weaker your stomach acid becomes. My digestion is superb for a 60 year old man but I put apple cider vinegar on everything and eat lemons like they are going out of style. I ordered some betaine HCL that is supposed to make stomach acid stronger but I am having regrets, even though I read such good things about it and wish I hadn't because I think I'm on the right track already with all the vinegar and lemons I consume. My latest craze is drying lemons in the food dehydrator. I love them but they are bad on my teeth. Grinding them up and sprinkling a heavy layer on fish though is really good and not that bad on the teeth.
I could probably get in the Gennis Book of World Records for the amount of raw organ meats I consume. To the nay sayers that are constantly telling me that eating them whole is better than grinding them up in the blender I say that it is far better than nothing. If I had to eat the way you guys do I'd probably go back to cooked food.
Been eating a lot of cooked food these days but I use a sous vide cooker and never go over 124.5 degrees Fahrenheit when I cook my fish and beef. I love it that way! I still cook food in the dehydrator at 108 degrees and love marinading raw tri tip in lemon juice with salt and pepper.
My health is still excellent and I've been dating a woman young enough to be my grand daughter that has far more health problems than I do.
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Err, I'm just 45... I do have some food-intolerances to a few raw foods, even now( too much raw liver and any raw veggie juice over 1 litre gets me going to the toilet soon after as my body refuses to absorb it. Too many raw eggs gives me yellow diarrhea in a similiar fashion, any suet gives me yellow diarrhea as well, raw coconut oil gives me very nasty stomach-aches lasting hours. That's about it so far, except that my food-intolerance towards cooked foods has, thankfully, increased steadily over the years to the point where if I do occasionally eat cooked foods, I usually have to vomit them out some time afterwards unless they are consumed in very small quantities.
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Err, I'm just 45... I do have some food-intolerances to a few raw foods, even now( too much raw liver and any raw veggie juice over 1 litre gets me going to the toilet soon after as my body refuses to absorb it. Too many raw eggs gives me yellow diarrhea in a similiar fashion, any suet gives me yellow diarrhea as well, raw coconut oil gives me very nasty stomach-aches lasting hours. That's about it so far, except that my food-intolerance towards cooked foods has, thankfully, increased steadily over the years to the point where if I do occasionally eat cooked foods, I usually have to vomit them out some time afterwards unless they are consumed in very small quantities.
If you can`t eat suet, what do you eat for fat? Bone marrow?
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@surfsteve Don´t tell me ur 60 yrs old in that picture :o Otherwise I´ll start doing organ smoothies by tomorrow ;D
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If you can`t eat suet, what do you eat for fat? Bone marrow?
I used to when in the UK. Now, it's mainly tongue which i 50-60% raw fat.
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@surfsteve Don´t tell me ur 60 yrs old in that picture :o Otherwise I´ll start doing organ smoothies by tomorrow ;D
Start eating them dude... Took that picture a few weeks after my 60th birthday!
When I was 58 I was in the worst shape of my life. Started working out and doing organ meats on a regular basis. I lost 30 pounds and my hair went from being sort of gray to reverting back to it's natural color. Since I took that picture the darkish circles under my eyes have diminished too. Seem to have aged quite a bit in reverse. Not sure if I sill am but at the very least I'm holding my own!
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Looking Great. Congrats! I can´t digest raw meats well due to low HCI, however, things changed recently when I cut out lemons and ACV. My body seems to produce more HCI by itself now. Tried HCI tablets but they were useless. My energy levels are super low atm but I´m trying to excercise what I can. And I am adding bee pollen again to my diet. I read heaps about it and it´s supposed to be great for workout and muscle recovery, candida, parasites, energy and much much more. Technically you could live only that for some time. But you need to start to increase them slowly. Anyhow I see how it goes.
What organs do you add to ur smoothies and what liquid? Like water, milk?
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Now a days I only add water to my smoothies. Liver, Thymus (sweedbreads), bull testicles, tripe, kidney and heart, in order of most to least popular with me. I generally freeze them into thin slices and put about 4 ounces to a bag. I take a bag out of the freezer, wack it on the counter to break it up and throw it into the food processor. After it's ground up I slowly add water to it a little at a time. It's not uncommon for me to drink 6 smoothies a day. I used to use pineapple juice but it gave me bad gas. Water works best.
The Betaine HCL I ordered came last night. Might be just the ticket for your stomach acid problems. Planning on starting a thread on it in a few... I was very surprised how it made me feel.
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There is no bodybilding without anabolics , hgh , insulin thyroid drugs and lots of carbs and protein.
Those are the final end products of healthy gland output in endless ammounts.
You either produce or replace.
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Everything I know leads me to believe that the cholesterol scare from consuming raw eggs is total bullshit. Cholesterol is needed by the body. Without it you would die. The common alternative theory is that your body uses cholesterol in an attempt to patch damaged arteries from a poor diet when it doesn't have the nutrition it needs to repair them normally. Also there is no evidence that eating less cholesterol has anything to do with your cholesterol levels. Cholesterol is made primarily in the liver and the levels it makes are determined by stress. The higher the stress the more cholesterol it makes. Sort of like the more burning buildings there are the more firemen you will see. bcaa (https://dietpills.best/bcaa/)
Though it could have to do with feeding chickens on grain I suspect Tyler's problem with eggs has more to do with low stomach acid. Generally the older you get the weaker your stomach acid becomes. My digestion is superb for a 60 year old man but I put apple cider vinegar on everything and eat lemons like they are going out of style. I ordered some betaine HCL that is supposed to make stomach acid stronger but I am having regrets, even though I read such good things about it and wish I hadn't because I think I'm on the right track already with all the vinegar and lemons I consume. My latest craze is drying lemons in the food dehydrator. I love them but they are bad on my teeth. Grinding them up and sprinkling a heavy layer on fish though is really good and not that bad on the teeth. keto (https://dietpills.best/fat-burners/)
I could probably get in the Gennis Book of World Records for the amount of raw organ meats I consume. To the nay sayers that are constantly telling me that eating them whole is better than grinding them up in the blender I say that it is far better than nothing. If I had to eat the way you guys do I'd probably go back to cooked food. roids (https://www.supplements.best/legal-steroids/)
Been eating a lot of cooked food these days but I use a sous vide cooker and never go over 124.5 degrees Fahrenheit when I cook my fish and beef. I love it that way! I still cook food in the dehydrator at 108 degrees and love marinading raw tri tip in lemon juice with salt and pepper.
My health is still excellent and I've been dating a woman young enough to be my grand daughter that has far more health problems than I do.
guys please help, looks like paleo doesn't work for me -[
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I'm not married to paleo. I eat mostly paleo because most paleo foods happen to be good for me.