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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Hot Topics => Topic started by: tehshyt on March 16, 2010, 10:58:13 pm
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I noticed that there is not discussion of chemtrails on this forum.
As health-conscious as I am sure you all are, I believe it is crucial that you understand the reality and impact of chemtrails.
Please take the time to educate yourself by watching this informative documentary produced by Clifford Carnicom in 2005.
chemtrails.cc/2009/02/.../the-original-chemtrails-documentary/
If you are at first skeptical, I challenge you to watch the entire documentary and reassess your beliefs
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I've read about chemtrails.
But I do not notice any chemtrails in my location.
Thankful it does not happen here yet.
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I would agree that pollution is more damaging than many people think. For example, there's some scientific data linking air pollution in cities to increased mortality, but I'm sceptical re chem-trails, myself. It doesn't help that Aajonus has a pet peeve re chem-trails which makes me highly dubious of the whole concept. I'll get round to viewing that documentary in 1-2 days. No time right now.
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I saw a timelapse of chem trails..
Scary stuff. Don't think it affects me much here in Iceland, yet.
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1- Can't think of what I might do about chemtrails, so, real or not, ignore it.
2- From photos taken above 45,000 feet, we live in a layer of air pollution that is supposed to enclose the whole earth. Tough luck, and welcome to the neolithic. :(
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http://www.dldewey.com/morgel.htm (http://www.dldewey.com/morgel.htm)
What about this -\ connection of morgellons and chemtrails?
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Chemtrails? Are you kidding me?
Even if it is polluting, so what? Diesels on our streets spew way more crap than chemtrails.
And none of us can do anything about it. Not like we have a choice not to breathe it.
I suggest take this to conspiracy theory forums and keep this one clean.
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I suggest take this to conspiracy theory forums and keep this one clean.
But, but...
This is a conspiracy theory forum - unless you think neolithic food is sheer accident.
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But, but...
This is a conspiracy theory forum - unless you think neolithic food is sheer accident.
No, conspiracy theories have no place here. Last thing we need is for ridiculous claims that ancient governments conspired against us to introduce neolithic foods, and similiar nonsense. As for chem-trails, as pointed out above, there are more pressing realistic concerns such as pollution from cars etc. for us to worry about more dodgy claims.
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I would agree that pollution is more damaging than many people think. For example, there's some scientific data linking air pollution in cities to increased mortality, but I'm sceptical re chem-trails, myself. It doesn't help that Aajonus has a pet peeve re chem-trails which makes me highly dubious of the whole concept. I'll get round to viewing that documentary in 1-2 days. No time right now.
Chemtrails are beyond simple air pollution, I am sure you will understand this once you have an opportunity to view the documentary. As for Aajonus' association with chemtrails:
-You are clearly skeptical of Aajonus' claims (I am too. Starving to death in an Indian burial ground - how dramatic)
-This notion you have of Aajonus leads you to presume that anything he claims is a lie.
-Yet you eat raw meat; A concept that is proclaimed by Aajonus
What I am trying to say is that there are plenty of liers that can be right and plenty of honest people that can be wrong. Ultimately its up to you to discern the truth for yourself. There is too much deception and misinformation in this world to entirely rely on the opinions of others.
http://www.dldewey.com/morgel.htm (http://www.dldewey.com/morgel.htm)
What about this -\ connection of morgellons and chemtrails?
I've been looking into that myself. I know that there are forces which may be impossible to stop, but knowledge is powerful and I can at least try to learn as much as I can to help protect myself and the people I care about.
Chemtrails? Are you kidding me?
Even if it is polluting, so what? Diesels on our streets spew way more crap than chemtrails.
And none of us can do anything about it. Not like we have a choice not to breathe it.
I suggest take this to conspiracy theory forums and keep this one clean.
You clearly do not understand that Chemtrails are not mere pollution. I understand that you are skeptical, but at least take the time to watch the documentary and inform yourself on views which oppose yours before lashing out in disbelief. 'Consipracy theory' is a great term used by mainstream society to dismiss any notion which deviates from common knowledge - it seems to imply that the notion is impossible. In reality, there are 'conspiracies' (a secret agreement between two or more people to perform an unlawful act) and 'theories' are simply notions which have not been accepted by fact (evolution is just a 'theory')
No, conspiracy theories have no place here. Last thing we need is for ridiculous claims that ancient governments conspired against us to introduce neolithic foods, and similiar nonsense. As for chem-trails, as pointed out above, there are more pressing realistic concerns such as pollution from cars etc. for us to worry about more dodgy claims.
Again, please take the time to educate yourself on the matter before referring to the concept of chemtrails as a "dodgy claim." I am not so certain that you even know what the 'claim' is.
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Well, I view Aajonus as half-charlatan, half-genius, I don't view him as 100% wrong. Generally speaking, I give him credence re those matters in which my own experience showed him to be right(raw meats) and disbelieve him on other matters which didn't fit into my own experience(eg:- mercury amalgams, raw dairy, raw veggie-juice etc.) Chem-trails is just too dodgy a subject given current data:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory
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I've watched the skies here in Middle Tennessee for the last year. You don't see chemtrails here on clear sunny days. The sneaky SOBs only run chemtrails when it's at least moderately cloudy out.
On the last clear day we had here, I looked up and counted seven planes in the sky; each one had a contrail, which is perfectly natural. The next day was cloudy, and you could count at least a dozen chemtrails scarring the sky.
I've read that the trails contain large amounts of aluminum and barium, neither of which we should really be breathing in.
The money question is: Why the hell are they doing it?
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Just a little visual comparison between contrails and chemtrails, so you know what to look for. Check the volume, the song on the video was a little loud on my end.
http://www.youtube.com/v/eEFITGpXwZk&hl=en_US&fs=1&color1=0x3a3a3a&color2=0x999999"
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Well, I view Aajonus as half-charlatan, half-genius, I don't view him as 100% wrong. Generally speaking, I give him credence re those matters in which my own experience showed him to be right(raw meats) and disbelieve him on other matters which didn't fit into my own experience(eg:- mercury amalgams, raw dairy, raw veggie-juice etc.) Chem-trails is just too dodgy a subject given current data:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory
I read the article. The only evidence it provides against the chemtrail theory is numerous quotes from government officials claiming that chemtrails are not real. The documentary I posted discusses the same level of government denial as well as consistent denial from the EPA and Greenpeace. Ultimately you need to decide if it is best to vest blind faith in the words of government officials, or to determine matters for yourself after hearing both sides of the argument.
I've watched the skies here in Middle Tennessee for the last year. You don't see chemtrails here on clear sunny days. The sneaky SOBs only run chemtrails when it's at least moderately cloudy out.
On the last clear day we had here, I looked up and counted seven planes in the sky; each one had a contrail, which is perfectly natural. The next day was cloudy, and you could count at least a dozen chemtrails scarring the sky.
I've read that the trails contain large amounts of aluminum and barium, neither of which we should really be breathing in.
The money question is: Why the hell are they doing it?
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I live in Santa Barbara and we get chemtrails nearly every day. They don't even try to be discreet. They don't have to be. Almost everyone I know does not even understand the concept of chemtrails. And people are so quick to dismiss what they believe to be a 'conspiracy theory' that they will not even stop to consider such possibilities. I suppose their ignorance serves to protect them - its hard living somewhere and seeing metal aerosols dropped over you daily.
I would suspect that they are more sneaky in Tennesse because the average rural citizen (I'm assuming Tennessee is rural) would be more conscientious of what is occurring in the natural sky than the average work-rat in a major metropolis.
The documentary documentary discusses various possible motives for chemtrail dispersal.
I appreciate people discussing the situation in their region. I need to move away from this toxic, intentional, relentless, pollution - and its difficult to find which regions are not affected by chemtrails on the internet.
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I have seen chemtrails here in the philippines (taytay area). When I was a kid I thought it was normal for jet planes to have long trailling lines behind them.
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http://www.petitiononline.com/t401/petition.html (http://www.petitiononline.com/t401/petition.html)
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Well, I view Aajonus as half-charlatan, half-genius, I don't view him as 100% wrong. ... Chem-trails is just too dodgy a subject given current data:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory
I think he's analyzed some of the chemtrail particles. This is from an older article of his on the WW2L site:
Laboratory examination of those chemicals found that they were manufacturing wastes from military industry and biowarfare substances. In several laboratory analyses, the composition of chemtrails was revealed:
1. Aluminum barium
2. Aluminum Oxide
3. Bacilli and Molds
4. Pseudomonas Aeruginosa
5. Pseudomonas Florescens
6. Bacilli Amyloliquefaciens
7. Streptomyces
8. Enterobacteriaceae
9. Serratia Marcscens
10. Human white Blood Cells-A restrictor enzyme used in research labs to snip and combine DNA
11. Enterobacter Cloacal
12. Other Bacilli and other toxic molds capable of producing heart disease and meningitis as well as acute upper respiratory and gastrointestinal distress.
13. Carcinogen Zinc Cadmium Sulfide.
After chemtrails lingered, spread, covered entire skies and fell, reports of illnesses increased substantially, such as persistent hacking coughs, upper respiratory and intestinal distress, pneumonia, fatigue, lethargy, dizziness, disorientation, headaches, aching joints and muscles, nosebleeds, diarrhea, bloody stools, depression, anxiety, loss of bladder control, and nervous tics. Much of it is reported as flu and everyone but a few know that much of it is poisons dropped over our heads, inhaled, absorbed through our skins, and consumed in our food.
Using both electrostatic precipitation devices and hepa air filters to collect outdoor atmosphere samples, chemtrail researcher Cliff Carnicom and his associates have documented desiccated blood cells floating in the atmosphere in populated areas of both New Mexico and Colorado. With so many atmospheric samples containing biological components, Carnicom concludes that crimes of the highest order are being perpetrated against citizens without their knowledge or consent.
Witnesses have documented and photographed military KC-135's, KC-105 and white unmarked jets spray chemtrails. Airport personnel and pilots confirmed specific commercial airliners leaving the long-lasting chemtrails. Although chemtrails are frequently reported, the US Government continues to deny the existence of chemtrails.
In 1994, it was established in a senate committee that the military was developing genetically engineered pathogens since the 1960's when the military initiated a special viral cancer program with the intent to create contagious cancers for biowarfare? There is much laboratory evidence that gels, webs, powders and blood cells have been used to harbor viruses, mycoplasma and/or other bio-engineered toxins until they reach their host.
Who besides the department of defense would have the money, power and inclination to besmirch our atmosphere with biological materials and have legal and media immunity?
In August 2000, observers began to report jets deploying chemtrails that looked like normal cloud formations.
Three reports stated cloud formations dripped feathers and mare’s tails. Citizen-based investigators believe that, since the military and government has received complaints about the chemtrails, they adjusted the chemtrail mix to be more clandestine. Chemtrail observers, including I, continue to see fake cirrus-type clouds on top of and surrounding real cumulus clouds.
Generally, chemtrails spraying increases as clouds build. They have been spraying most areas intensely in the USA, Canada, Europe and England since 1998, including areas with no commercial path’s overhead.
Even if you do not see chemtrails in your area, our food supply is being sprayed in farmlands across the USA.
Frequently, I travel throughout the USA. I have observed chemtrails in at least 60 cities and farm towns that I visited since 1997. Many Americans reported seeing and feeling chemical mists fall from the sky following chemtrails. The media fails to cover the issue even though the health consequences are enormous.
Environmentally conscious groups have had no luck pressing the media for coverage. Why is the media refuses to investigate and cover the story? Could it be pretense of â€oenational securityâ€?
Chemical weapons encapsulated in protective coatings like synthetic webbing would explain why many people who saw web-like filaments drifting down from the skies reported illness after contacting the webs.
When webs were closely examined, they proved to be a man-made filaments of the type developed by both industrial and military entities. South Africans reported web-like filaments falling from an aircraft, forming a blanket like appearance across vegetation, telephone poles and fences, and E-boli soon followed. When cattle ate it, some developed large lumps on their hides, became listless and/or went blind. Examining collected material from the spray, a University of Michigan lab found pseudomonas fluorescens. That is the bug tested on Oakville residents. It can cause human infections including fatal shock. The military likes it because it glows and allows them to track its path. Pathogens, including staph and several fungi that can cause lung disease were found in the chemical mix. In what must have been in bolder military arrogant fashion, during numerous chemtrail sprays, the small town Sallisaw in Oklahoma was saturated when a web like material covered the town. Lab technicians discovered large enterobacteria. The critter was a man-developed combination of E-Coli, salmonella and anthrax that could only be a U.S. military designer bug for biowarfare.
Standing before government officials in Louisiana where the military had determined to conduct open-air germ tests, Captain Joyce Riley boldly told officials that the only acts of terrorism ever conducted on American soil were perpetrated by our own government. Is the US Government warning about terrorism yet committing acts of terrorism against its own citizens? During tests to perfect the technology, reports that aerosol barium titanate salt mixture was released from military aircraft, forming chemical trails in the atmosphere across America. Barium salts - radioactive material - were used in Libya, Panama and Desert Storm where they were sprayed and exploded over head to make people extremely sick and weak. Barium effects were accelerated and magnified by mixing and altering with other chemicals. Spectrum analysis revealed barium compounds but the other compounds were initially hidden by a shell around them. The shell, however, eventually released the other chemicals, like time-released disease-pills.
Is the military continuing open-air-testing in populated areas across the USA with dangerous chemical biowarfare, or arrogantly dumping military chemical waste on us? Whatever it is, we must stop this mass poisoning of us and our children now!
I wasn't sure, but I've heard other people speak on chemtrails too, and I think I'm convinced. I wish I knew where the mp3's are now.
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Well if I've even helped convince one person this has been well worth my time. There is no media outlet that dares discuss the issue. The more people that know the better our chance is to stop this before it destroys our world. I know that sounds dramatic, but this is probably the hugest environmental and health hazard in history.
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I've seen the chemtrail theory many years ago.
I didn't get into the details, though.
Perhaps to spread the message it's helpful if you could provide some summary of information.
Like:
1. Who is behind it?
2. Why?
3. What are the people who execute it told?
4. It seems to be a wide spread practice, so why are no people involved in it coming forward (whistle blowers) or are there?
Wouldn't the people contributing to these nefarious acitivities worry about friends and family being affected?
How do they people behind it prevent being affected?
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I've seen the chemtrail theory many years ago.
I didn't get into the details, though.
Perhaps to spread the message it's helpful if you could provide some summary of information.
Like:
1. Who is behind it?
2. Why?
3. What are the people who execute it told?
4. It seems to be a wide spread practice, so why are no people involved in it coming forward (whistle blowers) or are there?
Wouldn't the people contributing to these nefarious acitivities worry about friends and family being affected?
How do they people behind it prevent being affected?
1. Ultimately, powerful people with money are behind it. I would say the U.S. Government is primarily behind it, however that isn't really how the world works. In reality, there is not clear distinction between the ruling power of politicians and of wealthy elite.
2. Chemtrails are directly related to a U.S. military project called HAARP (The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program) - a program which is researching a number of things including weather control through controlled electromagnetic waves. Do some research on Google, there is more to know then I could ever explain in this post.
3. I don't know, as I am not one of them. However, I would assume that the people who are actually flying the aircraft are military personnel who are told that they are doing something which is important in order to secure national security.
4. There are MANY people who are denouncing chemtrails. Unfortunately, there are NO major media outlets willing to discuss this issue. If you watch the documentary I posted at the beginning of this thread you will gain greater insight into the resistance to addressing this issue, even by organizations like Greenpeace.
Apparently China is the only country in the world that does not get bombed with chemtrails. It is possible that the decision makes reside there. It is also possible that the decision makers live in some region of the U.S. or other western country that is not sprayed. Ultimately, however, anyone that is promoting such a wides scale and deadly operation probably cares more about power than the health of any living human, including themselves.
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Odin, I just noticed that you are from Germany. The German officials have actually recently admitted to chemtrail operations in your country. They claim that it is to reduce global warming, which is absurd, as the release of aluminum and barium into the atmosphere has been shown to do the opposite
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Interesting topic. Maybe there is some chemtrailing going on. Where do those go who are in the know?
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So, it's only military planes causing the chemtrails?
A friend of mine is a commercial airline pilot and I asked him. He hasn't heard of it and hasn't been told to release any chemicals.
tehshyt- Do you have a link on the admission of the government here. For sure it wasn't in the media, but that doesn't mean much.
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The German officials have actually recently admitted to chemtrail operations in your country.
Never heard about that. Definitely interested in a link!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te_FOsKL_5Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te_FOsKL_5Q)
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That is SCARY.
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Thanks actionhero for posting this.
This is like a nightmare come true.
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here's the link
! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiUMfsR28SM)
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Thanks. Well it's not like the government has admitted to using chemtrails, just that they were used in an airforce exercise.
The military said they're safe... -\
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Barium and Aluminum are not safe.