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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Hot Topics => Topic started by: nicole on July 18, 2010, 01:48:31 pm
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I have worked at a natural health food store for 5 months now. We do sell meat and dairy, but we also cater to a large customer base of vegans. This is what I have discovered about them:
a) the females are oftentimes boyish and look prepubescent in structure and some noticeable facial hair.
b) the males are oftentimes effeminate with high voices and very little muscle mass.
c) vegans are not necessarily thin, some are fat.
d) oftentimes vegans have bad skin.
I have not done any actual research, but just constant observation.
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Nicole, I think you hiat the nail on the head. I have noticed this over and over again. It is a sad time in history for males. A specific study that was performed in 1960 showed that 20 year old men had 100nm/dl sperm on average. Nowadays it is considered normal to have 20nm/dl of sperm on average. That accompanied with the fact that every son has less testosterone than his father is turning into a sad story of extinction in years to come. Like Sally Fallon said, the future will be the natural selection of the wise.
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Indians do not really eat soy products but they do all eat lots of or exclusively vegetable protein.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW09fGSp1mE
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Vegans who eat high grains/soy diets look pale, weak and confused.
They always have this super fake smile going on. But you can tell they are suffering.
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Interestingly I've often found a lack of drive / work ethic with my vegetarian / vegan friends - they usually come across as very laid back but to the point where they rarely get anything done in life...
And I definitely know some overweight vegetarians, certainly doesn't guarantee being thin.
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its likely their aura, which is not a myth but actually real. People with high vitality have high energy and vic versa. When two people interact, usually the one with more energy shares their energy with the one with less, hence the energized individual feels drained talking to the weaker one.
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Has anyone heard of the new soy study which proves that GMO soy sterilizes mammals after three generations of eatting the crap?
I Heard that most farm animals cant be fed more than 30% soy without having severe health and fertility problems
Some school lunch programs use up to 30% soy in the food
most of the soy grown now is Gmo
We are only in the first Human generation of this experiment with Gmo soy
Even traditional soy eatting cultures only ate about 5% fermented soy
I think the issue goes beyond androgyny, Soy disrupts the bodies hormonal systems to such an extent that I liken it to dietary castration.
Mans men and Vixens are becoming a dying breed
Where have all the cowboys gone, now that the heart land is full of estrogen rich, round-up ready fields of soy?
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Where have all the cowboys gone, now that the heart land is full of estrogen rich, round-up ready fields of soy?
Up Brokeback mountain =/
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This whole topic is quite interesting because soy i in everything nowadays. I watched the movie "The Corporation" a large portion of which is about Monsanto / "Roundup Ready Soybeans". Pretty scary to hear what other farmers/scientists/governments have to say about Monsanto and the USDA and their approval processes and soy nowadays. Monsanto plays for keeps and their livery of corporate jets requires lots of agro-dollars to keep them afloat.
Soy is in darned near everything. As is corn.
Grow your own food everybody, sounds utopian but the more you can grow somehow, some way, in a window box whatever and use traditional seeds. God only knows what you are doing to yourself eating perfect looking food from the groc shop. Nobody may know for sure for a few generations. Agro-scientists are crazy and they are convinced they are not.
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Have any of you heard of how soy can make someone homosexual if they are fed soy formula as a baby. See, the male baby from 3 months to 3 years old has the same amount of testosterone as a typical 18 year old male. Why this high level of T? Because in humans, the most important infant development is in the brain, we all know this. It just so happens that the anterior pituitary in a male grows to maturity in a baby's brain, and this is what tells him he is a man. The anterior pituitary needs an excess of testosterone to fully mature. On average, a bottle of soy formula has 7-9 birth control pills worth of estrogen. That amount of estrogen being fed to a male baby surely retards the growth of his anterior pituitary setting him up for estrogen dominance and homosexuality. In other words, science knows that there are even more physiological causes of homosexuality than psychological. Feeding a baby any kind of hormone whether they are male or female is downright wrong. :(
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I have known boys that have been fed soy formula because of intolerance to dairy formula, and I am convinced they are being damaged somehow.
The children I have seen fed soy formula , seem to have bad looking skin(pale, pasty), and by the time they are five or so, you can tell that they look stunted and have lower vitality.
Once an infant is found to be intolerant of dairy the poor thing is started on soy,(insanity)
These kids never have a chance.
They used to be given goats milk formula which is actualy not too bad.
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I don't find the idea that soy turns people homo hard to believe at all. Our diet is red meat, feed people poinsionous plants and things go weird.
If you look around at the next generation of teenage males most are weak chinned,scrawney lack motivation. All these poisionous plants play havoc on your hormones.
Are the super rich/informed feeding their kids this crap. I wonder.
@Sabertooth
There's a youtube clip of a vegan baby (probably fed soy) I'm still disturbed about what I saw. I'll post it if I can find it.
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There's a youtube clip of a vegan baby (probably fed soy) I'm still disturbed about what I saw. I'll post it if I can find it.
Please do!
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Can't find it. His mum was force feeding him apple puree. I don't know much about kids but he was moving slowly and was not alert, probably half a second behind in his reactions.
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Also if the kid has a health problem mums aren't there to get the kids better because women are now in the workforce. There's no time for breast feeding and formula is easy.
Also you've got phthalates and triclosan which gender bending. It would be a good Idea for a prospective Raw Paleo mums to check to see if they have high levels of these in their blood. I would avoid all plastics, cosmetics and antibacterial products for at least 6 months before getting pregnant. In my inexpert opinion.
To avoid phthalates would be so hard. Everything is wrapped in soft plastic especially meat products. You could get the butcher to put your meat in a glass container but that would require a special relationship. Killing your own animal on the dirt is the only way to avoid plastics.
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http://current.com/1mhcm4c
thats a link of a baby dying because it was only fed soy milk and apple juice.
The couple that fed the baby were sentenced to life in prison. Good Riddance... :D
The studies show that even baby's who are not vegan but their moms are, are at risk because the breast milk studies show that vegan breast milk lacks enough docosahexaenoic acid, or DHA, the omega-3 fat found in fatty fish or grass fed meat. It is difficult to overstate the importance of DHA, vital as it is for eye and brain development.
this site secondopinions.uk is a great site with great info and has plenty of these cases
http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/child_abuse.html
It was the moorehead case you saw. I saw the video to but it is no where to be found now. Its almost like we're not supposed to see it. >:
There have been dozens of dead babies due to veganism.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1542293.stm
I was reading facts and myths about fertility and found this interesting
20. MYTH: Diet is important for pregnancy, not conception.
FACT: Removing sugars from the diet, (e.g., caffeine, white flour, white sugar, white corn, white rice, etc.), will improve ovulation and regularity. Foods that are broken down quickly raise insulin levels too quickly and disrupt delicate hormonal values in the ovaries causing more testosterone to be produced, impairing egg quality and thus possibly lowering the chance of conception. In some women, high insulin levels may cause irregular ovulation, irregular periods, or polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS).
23. MYTH: Vegetarians and those who limit their protein have no problems with conception.
FACT: Adequate protein intake is essential for conception. About half of all women do not get adequate protein intake, particularly vegans and vegetarians. Vegans and vegetarians also do not get vitamin B12, zinc, iron and folic acid.
women, you all know how much folic acid is for babies dont you?
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Is it possible that in ancient times there were instances where estrogen rich plants could be responsible for the androgyny of the people.
The Greeks were eatting all types of vegtables and herbs at the dawn of their enlightenment so who is to say that their homosexual behavior wasn't a result of something the mothers were consuming in that time and place.
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I have no idea if this is really true but I heard a Greco-Canadian fellow say that it is indeed true that the Greeks invented sex, but later the Italians decided to introduce it to women.
Hopefully this picture and the caption comes out.
Subject: Cultural Lessons from the G20
The Canadian: self-absorbed and disconnected from reality. Yes that's our Steve - I'm a Canadian and no we are not all like him.
The American: businesslike, unwilling to be distracted.
The Italian and the French: "LOOK AT THAT ASS!"
Notice that the Frenchman has dropped his papers in the hopes that.... oh well.
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Is it possible that in ancient times there were instances where estrogen rich plants could be responsible for the androgyny of the people.
The Greeks were eatting all types of vegtables and herbs at the dawn of their enlightenment so who is to say that their homosexual behavior wasn't a result of something the mothers were consuming in that time and place.
I'm not saying that being gay is always a result of dietary mistakes such as seeds, legumes, and nuts. But when people tell you that "there have always been this many gay people, its just that its more socially acceptable now so it seems like there's more. Gay people are more willing to come out." This is a complete lie, there definitely are more gay people and pussy ass men nowadays.
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The heart of the subject is, Do these plant hormones ingested by humans cause males to be effeminate and females to be masculine, Do this plant hormones cause other issues as well, and is the androgyny is Just a symptom of a greater issue. (The truth is out there}
Don't get hung up on the behavioral manifestations and focus on the chemistry
Some Plant hormones are chemical weapons that were designed by nature to cull the herbivores that preyed on them.
Soy is the main offender of our time, but throughout history people have ingested what every didn't kill them, even if it maimed there hormone systems(so its a problem much bigger than the soy vegan cult}
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To answer your question sabertooth, women who eat more estrogen just get more irritable, not more masculine. Estrogen is the most depressive hormone, hence periods. Testosterone is the best antidepressant known to man and it is a proven fact. Therefore, men are more like women, and women are depressed when consuming too much soy. Estrogen in excess also means infirtility in both men and women. Women tend to get fibrosis and cancer problems because estrogen breeds fibrosis, which along with inflammation is the CAUSE of every disease. Basically, if your eating a lot of estrogen without some Yang type foods like pine or bee pollen, or maca, your setting yourself up for depression and an early death. Its mother natures way of saying when your 45 theres no need for you to reproduce anymore.
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Women should be naturally sweet and feminine, I see that the tough exterior put on by some women isn't masculine, its just suffering from toxic estrogen overload.
The men who get excess estrogen do undergo some type of wussification
I wonder how prevalent is the problem ?
It seems that with the universal decline in sperm count, that its a common occurrence in the developed world
I myself suffered from low testosterone, though now on this diet my malehood has be surging.
Thicker body hair , more authoritative towards the woman.
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I myself suffered from low testosterone, though now on this diet my malehood has be surging.
Thicker body hair , more authoritative towards the woman.
, forget appointments more often, ;) hate housework more :D
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wussification
LOL
Women should be naturally sweet and feminine, I see that the tough exterior put on by some women isn't masculine, its just suffering from toxic estrogen overload.
I don't think it's estrogen, I think it's post-WWII (in USA at least). Now we have to be EVERYTHING! -X
I myself suffered from low testosterone, though now on this diet my malehood has be surging.
Thicker body hair , more authoritative towards the woman.
What exactly does 'authoritative' mean? You're not being a jerk are you?? Sounds condescending.
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Haha, I used to have low testosterone too, even in my late teens. It was all dietary, and I have the blood tests to prove it. Never really ate much soy, but a few years ago when I was 17 I felt aweful with depression and such. Got my T checked out and it was awefully low at 243. The doc just said, "It'll go up on its own." It didnt, and two years later it only climbed to 379. After years of trial and error I got my testosterone level from 379 to 678 (and its only climbing higher) in just a few months on this diet. I have the blood tests to prove it and all I changed was my diet to RPD. I suspect that it was my diet in heavy grains that gave me low T.
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LOL
I don't think it's estrogen, I think it's post-WWII (in USA at least). Now we have to be EVERYTHING! -X
I think it is both excess estrogen and working two jobs, one at work and one at home. But that doesnt have me convinced. I know many women (including my two sisters) who do housework and work out of the home who dont bitch about it, so what explains that? I think it is all your personality along with estrogen.
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The men who get excess estrogen do undergo some type of wussification
Yeah, and its not always even just cause estrogen, its how they're brought up. Women, you can agree with me on this, doesnt it seem like men today dont accept any accountability or responsibility for their actions? To me that is like being the biggest pussy ever. I mean if a man cannot take care of their own young, or leaves a pregnant woman and runs away, they are just a bitch. But its not only that, that male drive to succeed and accomplish is diminishing, I think estrogen has alot to do with this, along with lack of parent influence. But again, I must say, a man is only a man if he can accept responsibility for his own actions and make things right, something many forget.
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Yup, alot of the vegans are lesbians and gay and thats just a fact that I have noticed.
I actually prefer the authoritative type of man, they're hotter.
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I think it is both excess estrogen and working two jobs, one at work and one at home. But that doesnt have me convinced. I know many women (including my two sisters) who do housework and work out of the home who dont bitch about it, so what explains that?
ummmmm, probably some jackass husband! but let's just keep blaming women and calling them bitches, I am sure they (we) all have attitude problems that come solely from within. good lord!
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Umm but your not a bitch?
How come women marry jackasses? there's plenty of nice (boring) good guys who will treat them like princess's.
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Umm but your not a bitch?
lol, is this a question or a statement? I'm actually very sweet!, guys fall for me very fast, but I haven't found my Mr. Perfect. But I'm not a pushover either (and I so used to be!).
How come women marry jackasses? there's plenty of nice (boring) good guys who will treat them like princess's.
No idea, that's not for me. I'm so dismissive of girls (as friends) and guys (as friends or more) who are into that. I'm not trying to change anybody, so if he's not for me then I move on. I guess the same reason some men marry ridiculous women.
I don't think nice = boring at all! I want to find my best friend (cliche?). That makes EVERYTHING so much funner! I want to find someone who will treat me like a princess.. I am not sure any know how to do that?.. they can't 'wine and dine' me and I'm not impressed with anything material. If he'd only teach me how to surf!, lol :)
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male drive to succeed and accomplish is diminishing
I felt my male drive diminishing on a vegan diet after being on it for approximately 2 years. I didn't know how to explain but I felt different wanting to do things but not having much drive and at the time I never connected the vegan aspect. The first morning after I ate meat I literally jumped up out of bed ready to go for "the hunt".
Good thing I got out before any serious deficiencies manifested :P
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but let's just keep blaming women and calling them bitches,
If you reread my post, I never called women bitches, I said, that there are so many women who dont complain about their workload so modern workload cannot explain the sole reason why women are more irritable. I basically meant to say it is both a factor of estrogen and more work load that causes depression and irritability in women. In essence I was agreeing with you so no need to get angry.
Another thing that explains the masculinity of females nowadays is the feminist movement. See, some extreme feminists want to believe that they can do anything men can do, so they act like men to the point where they just turn into bitches. Both women and men need to at least realize the physical differences between. Yeah, I know it sucks women, we men are stronger than you physically, but so what? You women can do what us men could never do- give life. That is the biggest honor of all, so why do so many women feel that they need to prove themselves?
As a matter of fact, I suspect that women were meant to actually be smarter than men. Im not positive about this, but from a paleo perspective, women were the ones doing all the thinking, being the gatherers, the fishers, the farmers. All that men had to do was hunt pretty much. To bring home the bacon paleo style. By the way, women are the best farmers ever. Back in the day, women did all the farming, and beautifully at that. Agriculture started to suck when men took over, probably because men give into greed easier.
Either way though, both men and women must agree, excess estrogen sucks. They always call it a female hormone and I hate that. Hormones are hormones period. Women, you want high progesterone, and men you want high testosterone period... Keeping estrogen normalized is so important.
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Hormones were designed by nature as a way to control and modulate all of the bodys' functions, They are omnipresent in all of animal life.
The balance of hormones are so delicate that effects of hormone disrupting chemicals can be measured in parts per billion.
IT is obvious that the average person is being completely besieged by not only plant estrogen's, but also hormone disrupting pesticides, plastics, detergents,birth control,antibiotics,etc.
So if the women become bitchy man haters I try to have compassion
And if the men run off to brokeback mountain then I hope they find love.
I went to a health and rejuvenation clinic and had my testosterone tested and it was about 500,
The man who runs the place said it was Ideal to keep it over 750. So I was in normal range according to the medical charts, but far from the optimal level.
I haven't been tested recently but I can feel such a great improvement in all aspects of libido,motivation to be a better father, ability to maintain jealous control over the woman.
What exactly does 'authoritative' mean? You're not being a jerk are you?? [/b]
I have been called a jackass more times than I can count[I consider it a badge of honor}
I have called My beloved one a bitch more times than I can count(I love my bitchy bitch)
Crazy is the price of admission for this wild ride
Authoritative may not be the best word, she calls it being a pompous ass, what ever it is I love it.
It seems to be a symptom of reaching full rut.
(yea Haw)
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ummmmm, probably some jackass husband! but let's just keep blaming women and calling them bitches, I am sure they (we) all have attitude problems that come solely from within. good lord!
You know, generally speaking, I have usually been always strongly in favour re male-related issues , but, having read that ghastly "women" thread etc., I have to admit that I now do have serious sympathies towards you and other female members as regards all this ridiculous female-bashing on this board.
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lol, is this a question or a statement?
ummm
I don't think nice = boring at all! I want to find my best friend (cliche?). That makes EVERYTHING so much funner! I want to find someone who will treat me like a princess.. I am not sure any know how to do that?.. they can't 'wine and dine' me and I'm not impressed with anything material. If he'd only teach me how to surf!, lol :)
umm good luck with that... ;D
now back to reality
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As a matter of fact, I suspect that women were meant to actually be smarter than men. Im not positive about this, but from a paleo perspective, women were the ones doing all the thinking, being the gatherers, the fishers, the farmers. All that men had to do was hunt pretty much. To bring home the bacon paleo style. By the way, women are the best farmers ever. Back in the day, women did all the farming, and beautifully at that. Agriculture started to suck when men took over, probably because men give into greed easier.
You sound like a bit of a woman to me.
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Men are smarter more creative.
Think of all the art created by men, from poetry to love ballads, paintings, literature.
Name something that a woman has invented. 99% of all inventions are from men.
Women are better at somethings like nuturing and supporting their men so they can be successful.
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Men are smarter more creative.
Think of all the art created by men, from poetry to love ballads, paintings, literature.
Name something that a woman has invented. 99% of all inventions are from men.
Women are better at somethings like nuturing and supporting their men so they can be successful.
I cant really deny the truth about the 99% statistic but at the same time women have not had nearly as much time to be creative or as educated as men.
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Men are smarter more creative.
Think of all the art created by men, from poetry to love ballads, paintings, literature.
Name something that a woman has invented. 99% of all inventions are from men.
Women are better at somethings like nuturing and supporting their men so they can be successful.
That's not fair, women have been treated like dog shit since the dawn of time, until recently. Go to a medical school and check out the ratio of men/women, you're in a for a surprise. It is the same in many other fields, women are taking over!
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That's not fair, women have been treated like dog shit since the dawn of time, until recently. Go to a medical school and check out the ratio of men/women, you're in a for a surprise. It is the same in many other fields, women are taking over!
I think it's worse now than ever, women are expected to go to work fulltime so to pay off huge houses and SUV's instead of chilling at home raising/enjoying their own kids. OK women are pretty close intellectually but not as driven or creative, I'm sure you can agree with me on that.
I cant really deny the truth about the 99% statistic but at the same time women have not had nearly as much time to be creative or as educated as men.
The 99% stat was a guess but you would of thought the since feminism women would of caught up just a little bit?
I'm being realistic. I love women to bits, I'm all for women's rights. I believe women should be able to spend as much time as possible raising their children instead of donning a business skirt and dealing with shitty insecure bosses and coffee breath.
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umm good luck with that... ;D
now back to reality
So how badly did you do in love live when you played nice that you're so jaded to it now? :P
There are plenty of guys out there who can offer Ioanna what she's looking for while still being assertive & confident males. I personally do it every day with my wife.
In my experience someone who can be softer with his wife/girlfriend while being a powerful male with society at large is a more developed male. The women who can't appreciate a guy who isn't an asshole 24/7 aren't worth it IMO. To each his own though.
Ioanna, keep on looking. I'm sure you'll find your guy someday. ;)
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ouch wodg... I'm actually rather shy, quiet, and sensitive person... I don't fall down though.
Women are better at somethings like nuturing and supporting their men so they can be successful.
Well, at least we can agree on one thing: Behind every successful man is a WOMAN. Behind every successful woman is usually just herself (that's with a kid or two and a husband to raise).
So how badly did you do in love live when you played nice that you're so jaded to it now? :P
I don't do badly at all, I attract the right men. I've been asked for marriage by several since high school graduation. I never felt like I found someone I want to share life with. And I don't 'play nice'.. I believe in humanity, and treat everyone as best I can.
I'm not jaded, I'm cautious. :P My dad was... a monster sometimes.
I probably won't post in this thread anymore. I'm not trying to be a man in this world, not equal to one. I love being a woman, and all that is feminine about me. There seems to be a double-standard going.. If we are less than a man we are dogs, if we are equal or outshine a man we are .. whatever. That's okay, just reveals who the alpha's really are.
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I don't do badly at all, I attract the right men. I've been asked for marriage by several since high school graduation. I never felt like I found someone I want to share life with. And I don't 'play nice'.. I believe in humanity, and treat everyone as best I can.
I'm not jaded, I'm cautious. :P My dad was... a monster sometimes.
I probably won't post in this thread anymore. I'm not trying to be a man in this world, not equal to one. I love being a woman, and all that is feminine about me. There seems to be a double-standard going.. If we are less than a man we are dogs, if we are equal or outshine a man we are .. whatever. That's okay, just reveals who the alpha's really are.
I was talking to Wodgina Ioanna, hence his quote before my first response. I'm on your side. ;)
I was ribbing Wodgina as he sounds like he's gone the route a lot of guys do where they get nowhere with younger girls playing the nice guy so they turn into the hardass personality so many younger women gravitate to.
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ohhhhhh, I thought you were adding to wodg -[
i was way too revealing, then ;)
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Yep I'm a nice guy. I couldn't be a hard arse if I tried.
Yeah Djr probably I've had a few missed opportunities stuff like that, nothing bad.
I was being tongue in cheek to your post Ioanna :P You can get any guy anyway.
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Haha, Miles, I could see how you think that. I just like to stick up for both sexes is all. The main point Id like to make is that Men and women are not the same. I think what women and feminists strive for is to be viewed the same as men. It initially started with respect, but then it went off track to the point where women want to prove themselves physically, and other means. I feel that men and women are not equals, we are obviously different on many levels. However, we are equals in terms of respect. Each sex can do things that the other can not do, therefore each sex should respect each other the same. Women, you have nothing to prove to us men, other than you are not a selfish bitch. That is what Im looking for anyway. This thread is starting to get off track, what about the anti vegan and soy?
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That's not fair, women have been treated like dog shit since the dawn of time, until recently. Go to a medical school and check out the ratio of men/women, you're in a for a surprise. It is the same in many other fields, women are taking over!
I don't think that can be supported by facts. If you get a chance check out: (by Christina Hoff Sommers)
http://www.amazon.com/War-Against-Boys-Misguided-Feminism/dp/0684849569
It's a book that tells the story of the misguided feminism of yesteryear and today and how it is being used by women (most of whom are in essence professional men haters) to further their own political aims and has nothing to do with reality. These women have managed to corrupt the school system to the degree that nowadays it has been turned into a girl's school system. This is partly due to the overwhelming amount of teachers that are female and no wonder. Boys should be taught by men and be in boys only classes. Like it or lump it that's the truth. If you put a boy in a room with girls the girls will do better because boys are distracted by girls in class whereas girls are not distracted in the same way. So then the guys marks fall. Marks get you into higher education. That is why the university are busting at the seams with girls.
Boys are being forced to act like girls in classrooms by being forced to learn like girls. Boys learn by being challenged and be hands on. Girls learn by cooperation. Nothing wrong with either approach, but you cannot mix the two. Boys when forced to learn by cooperation simply die on the vine. They learn to hate school because they cannot/will not flourish in that environment. Its against their inner core being plain and simple. You cannot force a boy to act like a girl or vice versa. Consequently they drop out in droves and indeed twice as many women go to post secondary school as boys. What this equates to is that boys (who are at risk) end up in dead end jobs, think they are worthless and in a lot of cases they turn to things that are not productive, like suicide, (check out the CDC, boys/men do it considerably more often) running through schools with guns, gang stuff, you name it. This does not mean that every boy or every girl is in this mold just the ones that at risk, who could go in either direction.
As far as women getting the rotten end of the stick, nonsense, my sisters all went to university, my ex's friend's mother was a doc, truth is women chose for the most part what they wanted in their lives. Despite the utter lying in the press girls are much more equal now then they ever were.
The victim talk by women's groups is starting to wane as the women who really wanted to have children are now risking Down Syndrome by having children when they are too old.
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Boys are being forced to act like girls in classrooms by being forced to learn like girls. Boys learn by being challenged and be hands on. Girls learn by cooperation.
What is funny is that I was always the opposite in school. I HATE team work. I love working alone, independently, taking charge of my own project. I don't enjoy spreading work around and having to babysit the work of others.
As for older women having babies more likely to have Down's syndrome, I'm not sure how much we can attribute that to age instead of SAD.
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Klowcarb,
I was having problems with that last post and I thought I had lost it so I did not know it posted. I was editing it to take out my obvious ranting ;) when it disappeared.
Indeed not every child can be fit into a mold. My girlfriend is very feminine, but she enjoys most of the same things I do. She prefers to work alone like yourself. Not to be a loner or antisocial.
This is from a website, the first one I got when I Googled;
"Although no one knows for sure why DS occurs and there's no way to prevent the chromosomal error that causes it, scientists do know that women age 35 and older have a significantly higher risk of having a child with the condition. At age 30, for example, a woman has about a 1 in 900 chance of conceiving a child with DS. Those odds increase to about 1 in 350 by age 35. By 40 the risk rises to about 1 in 100."
As is mentioned the reasons could be anything.
At the risk of sounding like a raw-nut ;D I am starting to believe that a raw diet holds hope for reversing this but if you think about it a woman over 40 will be over sixty by the time the child is 20 so would not be as capable of looking after a child from a strictly physical point of view. Depending of course on the woman.
The point of my rant was not that women nowadays are good, bad or indifferent, just that men and women have always had power. It comes from within. It has nothing to do with crying victim. That is a weakness. Nowadays it has become cool to say women are victims and society has to give them a booster seat just to keep up with men.
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It has been studied in animals; Those who have been chemically contaminated with hormone disrupting chemicals will lose their drive to care for their young, and maintain normal behavior and relationships
DDT did not only cause the bald eagle to lay weak thin eggs, but it made them lethargic and apathetic in the raising of the offspring.
Who Knows how it effected the people who ate what it was sprayed on?
(suppressed by the PR machine)
Now that we have entered the age of soy, the danger is known, but there are no mainstream sources that can get the truth out there, Just like in the early years of DDT the danger is real, but not known.
Soy doesn't have to be sprayed, it is naturally toxic...
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I'll tell ya what, soy and flax are just about the worst lies in history. How can anybody stand up for this stuff? People tout that it helps cancer and heart disease l) what a load of shit. Last time I checked, it was estrogen that made the growth of cancer rapid. And since estrogen breeds fibrosis, it gives you a heart attack.
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of coarse soy and flax are no good they try to warn you with their horrible taste.
ever try a raw soybean yuck -v
only now with modern processing and the contaminated taste buds of the masses, it is passed off as food
When I was in school soy burgers and soy pizza was a main staple of the school lunch program(criminal)
AT first I couldn't eat eat the burgers, they were nasty, the soy cheese pizza was spiced up with additives,so was tolerable. ( everybody ate it)
Millions of school children like myself was fed this stuff in order to save on cost.
I prey that it is not something more sinister
Like an evil plot to cull the population.
This stuff makes young people more passive and easy to control
Lowers ambition and diminishes disire for sexual conquest.
We cant be the only ones who know this.
If the vegans want to be ignorant of the reality then so be it.
But GOD ;who would knowingly feed this to millions of school kids on a daily basis, as a cheap alternative real food. >D
I have been a witness to this atrocity(no exaggeration)
I know that 5 soy meals a week might not do any medically noticeable damage, but it sets the stage for major issues If the food at home is of sub standard quality as well
How much toxic soy should be legal to give to children who cant possibly protect them self from the pushers at the government education camp.
It is up to thirty persent soy in some school meals.
The same thresh hold that can cause problems in test animals.
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what's the scoop on flax? I know I read they don't offer as much as marketing would say, but I did not know they were so bad?
anymore links I can use to educate a veg friend of mine about how bad soy is?
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what's the scoop on flax? I know I read they don't offer as much as marketing would say, but I did not know they were so bad?
anymore links I can use to educate a veg friend of mine about how bad soy is?
Start here http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327
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Can a vegan fathers sperm affect the development of reproductive organs for male babies?
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My understanding of Ayurveda says yes.
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I don't remember where someone posted the phytoestrogen content of various foods, but does fruit contain a significant quantity of them(as well as nuts/needs)?
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I don't remember where someone posted the phytoestrogen content of various foods, but does fruit contain a significant quantity of them(as well as nuts/needs)?
The highest fruits had like 300mcg per 100g, that was dried fruit tho. Most the fresh fruit was around the 50mcg range, watermelon is 2.9mcg
Phytoestrogen content (mcg/100g aprox. 4 ounces)
Flax seed 379,380
Soy beans 103,920
Tofu 27,150.1
Soy yogurt 10,275
Sesame seed 8008.1
Flax bread 7540
Multigrain bread 4798.7
Soy milk 2957.2
Hummus 993
Garlic 603.6
Mung bean sprouts 495.1
Dried apricots 444.5
Alfalfa sprouts 441.4
Dried dates 329.5
Sunflower seed 216
Chestnuts 210.2
Olive Oil 180.7
Almonds 131.1
Green bean 105.8
Peanuts 34.5
Onion 32
Blueberry 17.5
Corn 9
Coffee, regular 6.3
Watermelon 2.9
Milk, cow 1.2
Fruits
Dried prunes 177.5 183.5
Peaches 61.8 64.5
Strawberry 48.9 51.6
Rasberry 37.7 47.6
Watermelon 2.9 2.9
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Yes, I posted that. It was a study done in canada a few years back measuring the lignan and soy content in various foods. Many foods have estrogen in them, but to my understanding, it cannot affect you much unless it is above 100 ng/dl per 4 ounces. Personally I try to stay away from all estrogenic foods, but the main culprits are obviously legumes, beans, nuts, and seeds as they are all little uterises. The opposite of eating those foods would be to eat pollen or little sperm, sounds gross to say, but it does raise testosterone. Its too bad the testosterone raising foods are not staples like soy is. It is known that in certain areas of china, maca root has been made a staple and people in these areas have high sex drive and reproductive success. The males also grow strong and muscular and the females never get breast cancer or any for that matter. The females are known to be beautiful.
I know I've said this before, but I hate it when people talk of estrogen as a female hormone and testosterone as a male hormone. It just so happens that females have more estrogen and males have more testosterone, but it does not mean they belong to 1 single sex as a category. I hate categorizing hormones because when I am talking to female friends of how bad estrogen is, they always think I am sexist because I am demonizing a "female" hormone. Truth is, excess testosterone is indicative of youth and excess estrogen is indicative of disease, old age and death for both sexes. No, you dont want low estrogen necessarily, you want balanced estrogen.
Another thing I find interesting is that men would not have any estrogen at all if it weren't for the aromatase enzyme (enzyme that converts testosterone to estrogen). Women however, make estrogen in their ovaries and testosterone in their adrenals. How interesting.
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Hi Pioneer
When you say 'it cannot affect you much unless it is above 100 ng/dl' that would equate to above 0.1 mcg per 100 ml (4 oz approx) - is that right? If so everything on that chart is looking pretty scary! Hopefully I've got my calculation confused!!
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I believe that is correct, but I have to do the calculation as well first.
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Those numbers are correct. A nanogram is 10^-3 grams and a deciliter is 100 mL.
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As per the chart estrogen content drops dramatically from soy beans to soy yogurt to soy milk. What about fermented soy products like miso paste and soy sauce? Those are pretty much the only soy products in my diet, I eat miso soup at Japanese restaurants sometimes and soy sauce with sushi and sashimi.
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The problem with fermented soy is that much like other grains, you can never get rid of all the toxins. They found that much of the toxins in grains can be eliminated through fermentation. However the estrogen is never eliminated from soy, not even lessened. Im afraid the sad story of legumes, seeds, and nuts being full of estrogen means that we should stay away from them. When I am talking to normal people who dont know raw, I tell them to stay away from soy before anything else, even grains. Now when you say you eat soy only once in a while, that is fine, and the estrogen is not going to make a huge effect. It is in my nature to be as much of an alpha male as I can and to have as much raw testosterone as I can without estrogen holding me down.
Hi Pioneer
When you say 'it cannot affect you much unless it is above 100 ng/dl' that would equate to above 0.1 mcg per 100 ml (4 oz approx) - is that right? If so everything on that chart is looking pretty scary! Hopefully I've got my calculation confused!!
So many foods have estrogen in them that it is normal to be consuming it a lot. William Wong, ND, PhD, is a brilliant man and tells people to strive for foods less than 100ng/dl per 4oz. But that doesnt mean you can consume these foods in excess either. I am trying to spread awareness to everyone that our society is hugely estrogen dominant and has too much emphasis on yin type foods and not enough emphasis on yang type foods. We need our testosterone dominant males back. Having low t at age 30 has become the norm, however back 100 years ago it was normal to hit andropause at 70! This tells us that we men are all in for a rude awakening if we dont get our acts together nutritionally and with pollution avoidance.
The funny thing is that simply switching to a diet of only organic foods is half the battle. Studies of mid 20 yr old male sperm count were done in 1938, and again in1988. The norm in the 60's was 120 million sperm/ml to 50 million sperm/ ml in 1988. That is a drop of over half! Here's the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agYrs8vnIJU
The men who ate organic food had normalized sperm levels. The control groups were still at 50 million sperm/ml.
Here's another study of sperm abnormalities and increased double heads resulting in birth defects http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all~content=a904489039.
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Its elementary really( organic foods promote alpha level sperm counts)
We are only as healthy as the soil our food is grown on.
Estrogen rich foods are like icing on the cake when it comes to the genocide being committed against alpha males and females.
The initial phase was initiated in our grand parrents era with the beginning of wide spread use of pesticides and chemical fertilizers on the food crops, (most pesticides also have hormone disrupting effects )
Then it ratcheted up a notch with vaccination and fluoridation(fluoride is not only put in toothpaste and tap water it is sprayed on the crops and is extremely toxic)It distroys health vitality and virility of every animal its tested on. In amounts commonly ingested by children.
Before the soy generation was born they had already been epigeneticaly doomed to inherit the damage done to them by three generations of ignorance,(like in the animal studies were the third and fourth generations are sickend an infertile after the genetic damage was passed down)
That's why I blame the low testosterone and sperm counts on the entire industrialization of the food supply.
Cheap Assembly line production is good for machines, but food needs to be raised by a humane hand and a keen eye or else it is easily corrupted and contaminated
The organic studies do give some hope, and I truly believe that our genetic codes have mechanisms of repair, so that as long as we can maintain fertility and revert to our evolutionary diet, within a few generations these trends can be reversed and one day my grand children will breed like rabbits and embrace to the full extent what it is to be a "real Man or Woman".
I will make it my mission to not allow my grandsons to be biochemically gelded.
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Im doing what I can for it, writing a book and all. Its basically going to be why we should be like animals in the 21st century. Trying to even get it published. Anyway, everyone needs to speak up about this if we want change. We need to vote with our dollars, and thats how we will win. Ultimately, it is where the money is. Thats why if we stop feeding into the bullshit pharma and food industries, we'll get what we want through consumerism. But yes, all of your points are correct sabertooth, and this topic is what most interests me.
If only we could make a staple crop such as maca root instead of soy, many problems would go away. Just sucks how 3/4 of our food are corn, soy, and wheat. We desperately need new testosterone promoting staples. Pollen is good too.
Why hasnt Pottenger's studies been taken more seriously. I mean scientists have been debating for decades on how fast our genes change. Isnt pottenger's cats a clear example?
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Scientific health studies are usually, only taken seriously If the evidence is pointing toward the yellow brick road
There just is no money in proving that cooked food damages future generations, the Money men only want to benefit humanity if it can give them something in return.
I have made my own back yard studies and have confirmed with my hillbilly committies about how Feeding chickens meat will turn the males into warriors, while grainfed birds tend to be more docile.
I free range chickens and have allways found that roasters that eat meat are allways king cock over grain fed counterparts.
I had a roaster(a docile breed) That would eat dog food, meat scraps and bugs , very little grain, He quickly came to dominate the other to males that didn't have access to the dog food(premium brand no soy or corn}Something killed the other two roasters and finally my wife got tired of hearing it in the morning so I gave it to my Friend with two hens. It began to play fight with his dog and eventually became so territorial that it would attack anything so he gave it away;
to a man with some prize(grainfed Roasters that lived their entire life in a pin(domesticated).The first night My roaster was put in that pin he killed both males and began to breed the hens.
People aren't very different, If you keep them pined up and feed them a bunch of grain they become weak and domesticated. If you feed them meat and let them run free they become warrior nomads with a lust for conquest.
The ancient rulers knew this
In feudal times it was often forbidden for the peasants to hunt, and they had to pay taxes to the nobles who feasted on meat, while they themselves ate bread and suffered.
What makes you think the technocrats that oversee modern food production don't know what they are doing
Does anybody think that the TOP FDA scientist and big Agra business (MONSANTO) doesn't Know that using soy wheat and corn as a staple for the majority of the population is going to have harmfull effects? Really..
Did the people of the land Join together and agree that we should genetically alter a toxic nasty tasting bean and put it into all possessed food and add it to all baby formulas
Yes even non soy formulas have soy oil as a main fat source. Really
Are we men or are we chickens
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Im doing what I can for it, writing a book and all. Its basically going to be why we should be like animals in the 21st century. Trying to even get it published.
Hate to tell you but it's already been done: http://www.antiestrogenicdiet.com/ (http://www.antiestrogenicdiet.com/)
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I had forgotten about it but in one of my Ayurvedic books, (it may have been Vasant Lad) said that when a woman is menstruating, the husband should take over the cooking duties to give her a rest partly and partly due to the hormones that come off her hands and into the food. Also this was particularly true if there were young boys (teens) in the family as the hormones would cause confusion in them.
The book that I read would probably have been published 30 years ago at least.
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Hate to tell you but it's already been done: http://www.antiestrogenicdiet.com/ (http://www.antiestrogenicdiet.com/)
I've known about this book for a long time and even skimmed through it. Mine is going to be much different, but have some of the same in it as well. It is ok though. I mean there are like 20 books out there by malcolm kendric, uffe ravnovski, and many more authors on the topic of why cholesterol is your friend and not bad, so mine would be adding to the one you mentioned. There is also a book like mine I think called living healthy in the 21st century. I am a writer and have always been so Im gonna put it to good use and help others. Im going to give it out for free online first as an ebook, then if many people like it, I might try to get it published.
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There is nothing new under the sun
With billions of people having trillions of thoughts its hard to be truly original,
The task at hand for those with the motivation, is to compile the knowledge in a creative way that Will set fires in the minds of men, and prompt into positive action, people who would otherwise be inept.
Everytime I make a personal discovery of some universal truth, I quickly find that once I google it, It was known by someone else all along ; completely independent from my own research.
So let it be written and let it be done, with a passion that will drive others to find a higher calling; its the pioneering spirit.
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Thanks sabertooth. The way I feel is that some people may have wrote books on the same stuff I'm writing on, but they didn't get people's interest because of many variables including too much technical jargon, or horrible writing. I am a writer and plan to make my stuff so easy to read an 8th grader can read it. However at the same time, my stuff will still include the scientific side with thorough explanations for the average person. What a lot of writers lack is flow. Ive noticed when reading a book some writers don't accentuate one point and move on. They jump around and reiterate what they said over and over with redundance.
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Good luck pioneer!
Each writer has their own style and their own audience. The more books the merrier because each book has a dynamic force behind it and a book is really a calling card for the author.
When the student is ready, the teacher, (ie you Pioneer) will appear.
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Haha, yes I do consider myself a lifelong student, thats why even if I ever was a doc or anything prestigious I wouldnt have a chip on my shoulder like many do.
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Ive noticed when reading a book some writers don't accentuate one point and move on. They jump around and reiterate what they said over and over with redundance.
Agreed emphatically. Some books with really good technical info (imo) fall prey to this.
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I would like to know what everyone would respond to dangers of soy myths. I DO believe soy is bad, but I am running into too many people that think it is all just a myth, and that soy is still good because of X.
I don't think theses statistics were made with actual Paleo or Raw Paleo, high quality foods, but what do you think about this link?
http://www.goodhealthinfo.net/dangers_of_soy_myth.htm (http://www.goodhealthinfo.net/dangers_of_soy_myth.htm)
The so-called dangers of soy is misinformation propagated primarily by Sally Fallon and the Weston Price Foundation, who claim not only that meat and animal products are essential for health but that soy is supposedly harmful.
This just doesn't stand up to scientific scrutiny. In his article "What About Soy?," John Robbins refutes these claims conclusively and in detail. Another article, "Is It Safe to Eat Soy?," by Virginia Messina, MPH, RD, and Mark Messina, PhD, professors at Loma Linda University, concludes, "Based on the bulk of the evidence soy appears to be perfectly safe for nearly all healthy individuals when it is consumed in reasonable amounts. We would say that a reasonable amount of soy is two to three servings per day."
A multiyear study of 5,000 women published in the December 2009 JAMA, reported in many media outlets, concluded that soy was not only safe but beneficial: "Among women with breast cancer, soy food consumption was significantly associated with decreased risk of death and recurrence."
A search on the NY Times site for "soy and cancer" reveals that back in 1998 and '99, articles about soy's described its benefits. Fallon's first book was published in October 1999, and in the 2000s (coincidentally ...) coverage started to get negative.
The idea that an animal-based diet is healthier than a vegetarian diet is simply not supported by the statistics. For example:
Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat daily compared to less than once a week: 3.8 times
For women who eat eggs daily compared to once a week: 2.8 times
For women who eat butter and cheese 2-4 times a week: 3.25 times
Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or more times a week vs. less than once a week: 3 times
Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who consume meat, cheese, eggs and milk daily vs. sparingly or not at all: 3.6 times.
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Average U.S. man's risk of death from heart attack: 50 percent
Risk of average U.S. man who eats no meat: 15 percent
Risk of average U.S. man who eats no meat, dairy or eggs: 4 percent
Amount you reduce risk of heart attack if you reduce consumption of meat, dairy and eggs by 10 percent: 9 percent
Amount you reduce risk of heart attack if you reduce consumption by 50 percent: 45 percent
Amount you reduce risk if you eliminate meat, dairy and eggs from your diet: 90 percent
It's true that one needs to buy soy products made from organic soybeans, to avoid chemical contamination and GMOs, but other than that, the ostensible dangers of soy are a myth.
Edit: I like this for information about soy dangers, but it will have some still saying "why? What is it based on? Show me studies."...http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/12/04/soy-dangers-summarized.aspx (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/12/04/soy-dangers-summarized.aspx)
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Some things to note is that most studies showing increased health problems for animal food consumption are
1) focusing on feed lot, factory farmed animal foods.
I'm sure if those same people were eating grass fed meats, wild caught fish, pastured chicken and eggs etc. There would be different results.
2) they focus on cooked animal foods
We all eat raw animal foods.
As far as soy... I'm not for it. It is a bean, and beans aren't paleo.
Here's some good info on soy
http://btvc.webfactional.com/knowledge-base/detail/soy/ (http://btvc.webfactional.com/knowledge-base/detail/soy/)
Soybeans contain large quantities of natural toxins including enzyme inhibitors that block the action of trypsin and other enzymes needed for protein digestion. These inhibitors can produce serious gastric distress, reduced protein digestion and chronic deficiencies in amino acid uptake.
Soybeans also contain haemagglutinin, a clot-promoting substance that causes red blood cells to clump together. Trypsin inhibitors and haemagglutinin are growth inhibitors
Soy contains goitrogens - substances that depress thyroid function.
I have read extensively about estrogenic compounds in soy causing serious illnesses
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I'm not for soy either in any way. Just need arguments, because I keep getting told soy is good.
I liked this list:
Soy Dangers Summarized
High levels of phytic acid in soy reduce assimilation of calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and zinc. Phytic acid in soy is not neutralized by ordinary preparation methods such as soaking, sprouting and long, slow cooking, but only with long fermentation. High-phytate diets have caused growth problems in children.
Trypsin inhibitors in soy interfere with protein digestion and may cause pancreatic disorders. In test animals, soy containing trypsin inhibitors caused stunted growth.
Soy phytoestrogens disrupt endocrine function and have the potential to cause infertility and to promote breast cancer in adult women.
Soy phytoestrogens are potent antithyroid agents that cause hypothyroidism and may cause thyroid cancer. In infants, consumption of soy formula has been linked to autoimmune thyroid disease.
Vitamin B12 analogs in soy are not absorbed and actually increase the body's requirement for B12.
Soy foods increase the body's requirement for Vitamin D. Toxic synthetic Vitamin D2 is added to soy milk.
Fragile proteins are over-denatured during high temperature processing to make soy protein isolate and textured vegetable protein.
Processing of soy protein results in the formation of toxic lysinoalanine and highly carcinogenic nitrosamines.
Free glutamic acid or MSG, a potent neurotoxin, is formed during soy food processing and additional amounts are added to many soy foods to mask soy's unpleasant taste.
Soy foods contain high levels of aluminum, which is toxic to the nervous system and the kidneys.
Dr. Mercola also writes about infants and soy formula :'( :'(
Soy Infant Formula: Birth Control Pills for Babies
Babies fed soy-based formula have 13,000 to 22,000 times more estrogen compounds in their blood than babies fed milk-based formula. Infants exclusively fed soy formula receive the estrogenic equivalent of at least four birth control pills per day.
Male infants undergo a testosterone surge during the first few months of life, when testosterone levels may be as high as those of an adult male. During this period, baby boys are programmed to express male characteristics after puberty, not only in the development of their sexual organs and other masculinity traits, but also in setting patterns in the brain characteristic of male behavior.
In animals, studies indicate that phytoestrogens in soy are powerful endocrine disrupters. Soy infant feeding -- which floods the bloodstream with female hormones that inhibit testosterone -- cannot be ignored as a possible cause of disrupted development patterns in boys, including learning disabilities and attention deficit disorder.
Male children exposed to DES, a synthetic estrogen, had testes smaller than normal on maturation and infant marmoset monkeys fed soy isoflavones had a reduction in testosterone levels up to 70 percent compared to milk-fed controls.
Almost 15 percent of white girls and 50 percent of African-Americans girls show signs of puberty, such as breast development and pubic hair, before the age of eight. Some girls are showing sexual development before the age of three. Premature development of girls has been linked to the use of soy formula and exposure to environmental estrogen-mimickers such as PCBs and DDE.
Intake of phytoestrogens even at moderate levels during pregnancy can have adverse affects on the developing fetus and the timing of puberty later in life.
For those seeking scientific references please see my earlier article.
So if children are starting puberty too early nowadays, starting it late is a good thing then?
I also read that women who started their periods late, will remain fertile for longer and not hit menopause as early. I wonder if that is true.