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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Exercise / Bodybuilding => Topic started by: Coatue on August 09, 2010, 09:28:56 am
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I'm beginning to weight lift on the RZC diet (which I just started) to put on some serious muscle. I already view myself (as well as my family) as being too thin (I lost a lot of fat but gained no muscle) and I'm concerned I'll lose too much weight. Have any of you had trouble in terms of losing too much body fat or weight while on RZC or Raw Low Carb? Is there a way of preventing further weight loss and guaranteeing weight gain (especially muscle)? I don't want to look emaciated/anorexic.
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drink a lot of bone broth..
oh wait thats not raw. shit i guess im cheating. =[
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I too have problems with this, even though I regularly eat cooked starches. The only way I can keep a steady weight is if I keep my nut consumption up. If I quit nuts I lose the weight. I imagine fruit would help too, but Im not much of a fruit eater.
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Eat lots of fatty things and avocado and ditch things that have strong taste like fruit.
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I gained about 10 lbs in a month after I started doing half raw paleo. You have to stay constantly aware of when your stomach is empty so you can add more food in whenever possible. Timing your eating right helps too...what I do is...fruits first, then broth, then raw eggs, then raw meat. If I have to eat cooked meat I try to eat it towards the evening when I know I'm not going to be eating anything the rest of the night anyway, because itll stay in my stomach for 3 or 4 hours.
Also, do belly breathing after eating for digestion. it'll speed it up so you can eat more food.
I don't know though, it takes some energy out of me to eat so much. I'm 19, i dont know if eating constantly is suitable for an older person.
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To improve digestion/absorption you might consider a few tips on the act of eating such as:
Eat in a quiet, pleasing atmosphere
stop for a minute before starting to eat, close your eyes and consider saying a little thank you,
Only eat food that has been prepared by someone who loves you.
After eating consider resting for a few minutes (sitting or lying down on your left side) then go for a 20 minute walk to help the stomach mix the contents with stomachic fluids. This will make a world of difference in your digestion and elimination.
Generally it is not good to eat constantly as digestion requires a lot of energy and will tire your body out. Wait a bare minimum of an hour between meals.
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You don't need to be massive. You want to have a functional body.
Looking like a giant body builder should not be ones goal. More for functionality is important. I stick to more natural movements.
I will make a video on what exercises I do soon. I like bruce lee's physique, he did it based on function not looks. Lean and mean and functional and brutal. Not massive
I like to put heavy emphasis on my forearms, they heal the quickest also.
I want to look more like this..
http://www.hkcinemagic.com/en/images/people/large/dan_inosanto_et_bruce_lee_c371fad53508de0b9fb1e4e9d8db4790.jpg
http://blueswami.com/assets/EPG2/image.php?type=pic_large&id=1481
http://www.janesoceania.com/australia_europeans/aboriginals_1906.jpg
not this
http://www.flexbodybuilding.com/Bodybuilder15.jpg
http://www.posedown.de/meisterschaften/2004/2004-11_nabba_universe-madrid/pics/David-Griffith-Mr-Universe-Physique.jpg
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I agree, sully.
bruce lee > arnold schwarzenegger
As for losing weight, I've always been skinny/borderline underweight even when I ate whatever I wanted whenever I wanted on SAD. I've lost some weight, too, after switching to this diet, especially when I just fasted for 2 days. and I want to begin working out to build muscle, not to bulk up by any means, but I want to be strong(i've always been weak). And then once I feel I am strong enough, then I also want to gain a small layer of fat over my muscle, too(mostly to bulk up my breasts, lol).. though I don't know how I will be able to. I don't think eating a lot of fat makes you fat. >>;
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Wolf,
Not sure that fasting is a great idea for everybody. Unless you have a specific reason it may be harmful.
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Well I used to fast for a couple days all the time on SAD without much bad effects. However, this time it made me feel pretty weak and tired, so I won't fast again unless my body tells me I need to. I mostly just did it to try and speed up the healing of my acne blemishes, but perhaps I am being over-eager. I never had problems with fasting before though, I think maybe I just need more time to get used to an all raw diet.
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I agree, sully.
bruce lee > arnold schwarzenegger
As for losing weight, I've always been skinny/borderline underweight even when I ate whatever I wanted whenever I wanted on SAD. I've lost some weight, too, after switching to this diet, especially when I just fasted for 2 days. and I want to begin working out to build muscle, not to bulk up by any means, but I want to be strong(i've always been weak). And then once I feel I am strong enough, then I also want to gain a small layer of fat over my muscle, too(mostly to bulk up my breasts, lol).. though I don't know how I will be able to. I don't think eating a lot of fat makes you fat. >>;
I was a vege for about 23 year and I was very healthy albeit I suspect that I may have had energy issues. I was a vege for spiritual reasons and I am still not sure about the switch, but I do notice that with the raw meat and dairy I have naturally gained bulk but interestingly not weight. My leg size has increased but since I like to bike it has become muscle. My food volume consumption has decreased substantially but there may be other factors involved. I used to eat till I was stuffed when a vege but I started sungazing last summer and my hunger decreased somewhat. I have never been heavy, always around 150 to 165 lbs @ 5' 10.5" .
Is the acne a recent development? In Ayurveda acne is essentially one of the many manifestations of undigested food running around the system. Chocolate is a common cause but other things such as a major diet shift (ie to raw) or junk food can bring it on as your digestion struggles to change gears.
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Well I want to put on more than just muscle, I want enough muscle to be strong, but not bulky, with a little bit of fat, too. I don't want to be pure muscle.
My acne is something I've been struggling with pretty much my entire life. I've always had it, no matter what I ate or changed about my diet, and it's only been getting worse the older I've gotten. Even eliminating candy and soda and fast food for months did nothing different for it. It's been rather damaging to my self-confidence, and a cause for depression at times. But having started on this diet has actually reversed it.. my acne had lately been spreading over my entire face and even onto my neck/chest/shoulders/back. After starting raw, it's pretty much disappeared from my neck/chest/shoulders/back and is slowly but surely clearing up from my face, though I do still get a few small zits here and there, they are different from what I got before and much easier to deal with, and even sometimes start to go away on their own which never happened before. I am just impatient to rid myself of this plague which has cursed me for my whole life, I want it gone already, so I fasted to try to clear it up faster. It did seem to have helped a little bit, but not enough to be worth as weak and tired as I felt on the fast, so I won't be doing it again for that reason, despite how much I really just want this acne to be gone.
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Yeah I'm deffinitley finding im getting too skinny on this diet. Idk what that means from a health perspective but from an appearance perspective...I've been told I'm starting to look like holacaust victim. And i agree as my ribs are beginning to show. This makes sense though as when you look at wild animals or grass fed animals, they're incredibley thin. I know a few dog breeders that tried to raise their dogs on a raw meat diet and they have the same problem...the dogs end up being way too thin. I'm trying to implement balance, thus maybe I should consume an 80/20 raw to cooked ratio? Its seems to be easier to put on weight with cooked food.
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Coatue,
Are you consuming fats of some variety? Say animal, or vegetable such as avocado or dairy such as butter?
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Wolf,
Have you tried the high meat?
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Yeah I'm deffinitley finding im getting too skinny on this diet. Idk what that means from a health perspective but from an appearance perspective...I've been told I'm starting to look like holacaust victim. And i agree as my ribs are beginning to show. This makes sense though as when you look at wild animals or grass fed animals, they're incredibley thin. ...
I know what you mean. Even though I weighed less when I tried to eat more carbs to gain weight, people still bug me now because I'm still thin and ironically they tell me to eat more carbs as a solution--even though that already failed miserably for me and they know it. Very strange. Plus, if someone wants to go LC to lose weight, these same carb advocates will again recommend eating carbs. So they recommend carbs both for gaining weight and for losing weight. I noticed this with ZCers too--the biggest proponents claim it is good for both losing weight and gaining it. Both the carb advocates and the ZC advocates can't be right.
I also know what you mean about grassfed animals. Most of the cattle in Florida are grassfed and when I first saw them I thought they were starving.
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you don't really need much food to maintain and even gain weight IF your digestion is optimal.
the first thing to do is to recover digestion by removing neolithic foods, this may take some time. in my case it took over a year.
now, my intake is smaller and i'm slowly gaining muscle mass. i eat 60% fat by volume, the rest are protein and carbs.
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Your body fat should change with the seasons like wild animals. But to do that experiment correctly, one would have to eat the closest thing to only wild native food to a given area. As our ancestors did.
In wild animals fat goes up and down through season as food changes in variety and amount, muscle stays relatively the same from what I've seen in wild squirrels.
However, humans do not sleep/hibernate through most of winter, so we do not need the as much fat on our bodies during fall as bears and squirrels do.
So in my opinion your fat levels should change through seasons, but not as much as a hibernating animal.
As far as people saying you look like a holocaust victim, keep in mind, most people have more fat on there bodies than they need and not enough muscle. We live in a world where many people desire to be skinny or have bulky muscle, when it should be in between. Good amount of muscle with a thin layer of fat.
I feel better leaner, much leaner than the average person. At a time I was very lean, people said I looked like a holocaust victim that was lifting weights.
Grow and learn and experiment is the key. Find what is best.
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I know what you mean. Even though I weighed less when I tried to eat more carbs to gain weight, people still bug me now because I'm still thin and ironically they tell me to eat more carbs as a solution--even though that already failed miserably for me and they know it. Very strange. Plus, if someone wants to go LC to lose weight, these same carb advocates will again recommend eating carbs. So they recommend carbs both for gaining weight and for losing weight. I noticed this with ZCers too--the biggest proponents claim it is good for both losing weight and gaining it. Both the carb advocates and the ZC advocates can't be right.
I also know what you mean about grassfed animals. Most of the cattle in Florida are grassfed and when I first saw them I thought they were starving.
Interesting post Phil.I can only say that it seems certain carbs should help to gain weight, when I think of Italy for example.Italians are known for eating massive cabs(pasta) and a lot of them seem heavy to me.Optimal digestion seems to be the key for losing or gaining as far as I can tell.
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Coatue,
Are you consuming fats of some variety? Say animal, or vegetable such as avocado or dairy such as butter?
Yes, I have been consuming fat but perhaps not enough. I tried raw bison back fat and I did not care for the texture or how it to took an incredibly long time to chew. I just ate it till i was satisfied, which was pretty quickly. I think I'll just stick to bone marrow and try to find other sources of fat as well. Should I consume a lot of olives and avocados? Should I put a lot of olive oil on a salad or other vegetables for better digestion?
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Interesting post Phil.I can only say that it seems certain carbs should help to gain weight, when I think of Italy for example.Italians are known for eating massive cabs(pasta) and a lot of them seem heavy to me.Optimal digestion seems to be the key for losing or gaining as far as I can tell.
Yes, years ago I did put on weight while eating carbs, but it was all flab, not exactly what I was hoping for. Eventually I think carbs damaged my digestion so badly that I lost weight and became very emaciated while eating them. So I agree that digestion and gut flora are very important.
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Wolf,
Have you tried the high meat?
I haven't really tried any meat that's been out in room temperature for more than about two days, I did once try to make high meat, keeping some chunks of the grass fed steak I got in a glass jar in my room at room temp for probably about two and a half days at most before I ended up eating it, so it was pretty baaarely high I'd say. But it was still rather difficult for me to eat as far as taste goes, it was making me gag. Although I do know I like to leave out my grassfed ground beef for at least a day at room temp and let it get nice and brown on the outside before I eat it, and I actually prefer the taste. I've been a bit discouraged though, because even while eating completely raw I was still getting acne on my face, and some spots spots/blemishes weren't really healing or going away. Lately I have been rather low in money though, and eating a bit of SAD food here and there(because I can get it for free), so my acne is being difficult. I'm wondering if taking a Wai diet approach might actually work better for clearing up my acne though, but I wouldn't be able to afford 2 weeks+ worth of fruit, so that's something I would have to figure out with my dad.
As far as gaining/losing weight, when I was on SAD I could eat whatever I wanted, whenever I wanted, as much as I wanted, without gaining weight, and even when eating like that and completely SAD I was still considered as underweight/anorexic looking by people. Even my ribs were easily visible when stretching a bit or slightly sucking in my belly. I was always told I needed to gain weight, though no one could tell me how because they'd see me eating all the most fattening foods and clearing the platters, lol. Especially at my new job at domino's, the small sized work shirt is probably like twice too big for me, and they all called me too skinny and told me to gain weight, yet they would all see me wolf down nearly an entire pizza all to myself, so I'd ask them how was I supposed to gain weight?
Even before eating raw though, I had recently lost some weight, as I noticed my pants were getting a bit looser on me, but after eating raw, I did notice I lost a lot of fat weight, most of my pants are now too big and baggy on me, except for the ones that had previously been too tight on me, are now just a little loose.. but still even need a belt when I wear them because they want to fall off. I'm also sad because after eating raw, I lost fat weight in my breasts as well, which had actually seemed to have gained more weight before I started raw. :'( I am a bit glad for losing fat in certian areas though, mainly my thighs which seems to be where all my fat ends up being stored, though people don't notice it much. But I've always disliked how my upper inner thighs would always touch each other they were so fat. Now they don't touch as easily which makes me happy, but I'm also trying to work out to tone my muscles up too. My actual weight hasn't seemed to have changed too much though, I don't have a scale so I haven't been able to keep track, but as of most recent time weighing myself (on a 25 cent scale at a car wash a few days ago) showed me to be at 108 lbs, whereas before on SAD I would usually fluctuate between 110 - 120 lbs, 105 being the lowest weight I've been able to get, and 125 being the most weight I ever weighed. I had thought with as much weight as I had lost that I must have been below 105, but I was not. Might have been because of the increase in muscles that I've had, though. 107 is considered underweight for my height, according to BMI calculators.
As far as what I prefer, I think purely fat is bad, but I also think purely muscle is bad too. I would love to lose all the bad fat I have from my SAD diet (as I believe eating bad foods will make you gain bad fat, whereas good foods will make you gain good fat) and then tone up my muscles nicely, at least enough to make me feel strong, and then re-gain a nice layer of good fat from good raw foods over those muscles. I don't have any weight training stuff though, not even a dumbbell, so it's a bit difficult to build muscle other than by doing things like situps, pushups, squats, and such.. though I can't even do a normal pushup, my arms are too weak, I have to do girly push ups. -\ and I also don't know I would be able to gain that fat from pure raw foods unless I ate a looooot though, which would be difficult to afford.
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Wolf,
I have a better idea now so it is easier to say something.
Firstly, look in the mirror and tell me the colour of the top of your tongue. This will tell me the state of your digestion.
If you eat the pizza BTW, do yourself a favour and don't eat the cooked cheese. It is indigestible when cooked. You may as well eat rocks. Spread it on after it is cooked.
To bump up your digestion here is some possibles that are inexpensive and easy,
1. get either a copper cup or a copper penny, clean it well with soap or lemon, (the first day) rinse well. Before going to bed, put water in the cup or put the penny in a regular cup with water. Do not use hot water or heat it in the cup. In the morning brush your teeth and use a spoon to gentle scrape off the gunk from the top of your tongue and spit out what's in there. Do not swallow it. Then drink the water.
2. Make high meat this way. Buy say 1/2 to 1 pound of the best quality grassfed organic meat (fish, beef, pork, chicken or whatever else you like) you can afford. Not ground meat. Cut it up into nibble sized pieces, say the size of your thumbnail or less, put it all in a clean jar large enough that it is at the most half full. Make sure the jar has a lid that is not damaged so it does not rust. Put the lid on it. Put it in the fridge and leave it there for 30 days. Air it out once every three days but do it outside cause it will stink.
After 30 days in the fridge, take it outside the house, open it and use a fork or spoon to fish out a piece. Have something to chase it with in case the taste is too strong. Chew it a bit and swallow it. The taste and smell may gross you out so holding your nostril also may help. It doesn't bother me but it grosses out my GF. Women tend to have a heightened sense of smell compared to men.
Air out this jar at least every three days, (not to worry if you are a bit slack here) Have some of this every day or every three days or whatever. The more the merrier. This will do you for quite awhile. What this will do is repopulate your gut with healthy bacteria.
When there is oxygen in the jar the healthy bacteria grow well and it kills the bad bacteria.
3. Before you eat a meal, mix a tiny bit of salt with an equal amount of raw ginger and an equal amount of lemon juice. Have a pinch of this before you eat. Chew it up as well as you can. It will get the digestive juices flowing so you will have better digestion. If you don't have one of these ingredients it will work with the other two,
According to Ayurveda (my experience is in this method) you have acne because your digestion is not optimal and there is food that is not being digested, that makes it's way into the bloodstream and circulates around till it finds a place to settle. When it gets there, it collects and then essentially it rots. The body's immune system kicks in and surrounds this stuff with blood which causes the red appearance and then it attacks the undigested food which is foreign material as far as the body is concerned. After it attacks the Ama (Sanskrit for undigested food) the white blood cells form a pustule.
As far as your weight goes, in order to gain weight you have to get the digestion working properly. Your body type is similar to mine in that you could eat a horse and not gain much.
The best exercise for you is walking and light stretching like Yoga or Pilates or something along those lines.
Poor digestion is the main cause of all disease. (it's not the only but a main cause)
You can also increase digestion by going for a 20 minute walk after your meal. There is lots of things I could suggest but this is plenty for now.
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Wolf,
I have a better idea now so it is easier to say something.
Firstly, look in the mirror and tell me the colour of the top of your tongue. This will tell me the state of your digestion.
If you eat the pizza BTW, do yourself a favour and don't eat the cooked cheese. It is indigestible when cooked. You may as well eat rocks. Spread it on after it is cooked.
To bump up your digestion here is some possibles that are inexpensive and easy,
1. get either a copper cup or a copper penny, clean it well with soap or lemon, (the first day) rinse well. Before going to bed, put water in the cup or put the penny in a regular cup with water. Do not use hot water or heat it in the cup. In the morning brush your teeth and use a spoon to gentle scrape off the gunk from the top of your tongue and spit out what's in there. Do not swallow it. Then drink the water.
2. Make high meat this way. Buy say 1/2 to 1 pound of the best quality grassfed organic meat (fish, beef, pork, chicken or whatever else you like) you can afford. Not ground meat. Cut it up into nibble sized pieces, say the size of your thumbnail or less, put it all in a clean jar large enough that it is at the most half full. Make sure the jar has a lid that is not damaged so it does not rust. Put the lid on it. Put it in the fridge and leave it there for 30 days. Air it out once every three days but do it outside cause it will stink.
After 30 days in the fridge, take it outside the house, open it and use a fork or spoon to fish out a piece. Have something to chase it with in case the taste is too strong. Chew it a bit and swallow it. The taste and smell may gross you out so holding your nostril also may help. It doesn't bother me but it grosses out my GF. Women tend to have a heightened sense of smell compared to men.
Air out this jar at least every three days, (not to worry if you are a bit slack here) Have some of this every day or every three days or whatever. The more the merrier. This will do you for quite awhile. What this will do is repopulate your gut with healthy bacteria.
When there is oxygen in the jar the healthy bacteria grow well and it kills the bad bacteria.
3. Before you eat a meal, mix a tiny bit of salt with an equal amount of raw ginger and an equal amount of lemon juice. Have a pinch of this before you eat. Chew it up as well as you can. It will get the digestive juices flowing so you will have better digestion. If you don't have one of these ingredients it will work with the other two,
According to Ayurveda (my experience is in this method) you have acne because your digestion is not optimal and there is food that is not being digested, that makes it's way into the bloodstream and circulates around till it finds a place to settle. When it gets there, it collects and then essentially it rots. The body's immune system kicks in and surrounds this stuff with blood which causes the red appearance and then it attacks the undigested food which is foreign material as far as the body is concerned. After it attacks the Ama (Sanskrit for undigested food) the white blood cells form a pustule.
As far as your weight goes, in order to gain weight you have to get the digestion working properly. Your body type is similar to mine in that you could eat a horse and not gain much.
The best exercise for you is walking and light stretching like Yoga or Pilates or something along those lines.
Poor digestion is the main cause of all disease. (it's not the only but a main cause)
You can also increase digestion by going for a 20 minute walk after your meal. There is lots of things I could suggest but this is plenty for now.
I used to have a white tongue, my entire life my tongue has been white and fuzzy, brushing my teeth more or brushing my tongue did nothing to get rid of it, scraping did nothing, changes in diet had never done anything to alter it, no matter what I did my tongue stayed the same exact white and fuzzy. Right now I just went to the bathroom and scraped off and scrubbed my tongue, and for the first time in my life I now have a pink tongue.
All the cheese is pasteurized anyways though, so isn't that the same thing? I don't see how it would make a difference eating it before it's cooked on the pizza or not, and I've also never noticed cheese come out undigested.
Or even if it's indigestible, wouldn't it be better NOT to digest the pasteurized-damaged proteins and nutrients anyways?
Swallowing copper water sounds like it wouldn't be much of a good idea, though I don't know anything about that.. but I did just clean off my tongue.
I know how to make high meat and what it does, the problem is that I cannot keep it in the fridge where my dad can find it. He would already freak out if he knew I was eating raw meat, but then for him to find out I am eating raw rotten meat? He would probably send me to a mental hospital. So I have to make high meat in my room at room temperature if at all.. and if 2 day old meat made me gag, I'm pretty sure I would not be able to swallow 30 day old meat, chaser or not.
My digestion has always seemed to be pretty decent even on a fully SAD diet with fast food and soda and everything, I've never had problems with anything I've eaten, at least as far as feeling sick from it.. as far as constipation/diarrhea though, I would get either every once in a while, but not all the time. Eating raw, I seem to digest pretty much everything pretty well unless it has fiber in it. As far as undigested food in the bloodstream being the cause for acne, then why is it that it accumulates mostly in the face? The way you describe it sounds like it should happen randomly all over the body. And why then, doesn't everyone get bad acne? Plenty of people eat indigestible and really bad foods, without getting much acne, some not even at all. but I don't know.
For exercise, I don't get much exercise other than walking at work/school, and at school I always take the stairs, and then at home I will do situps and pushups and squats and such, because I am trying to build up my muscles. I am very weak, I can't even do a single push up. I want to have a nicely toned stomach, and I want strong toned legs as well. I do a bit of stretching too, because I want to be more flexible, too.
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I'm beginning to weight lift on the RZC diet (which I just started) to put on some serious muscle. I already view myself (as well as my family) as being too thin (I lost a lot of fat but gained no muscle) and I'm concerned I'll lose too much weight. Have any of you had trouble in terms of losing too much body fat or weight while on RZC or Raw Low Carb? Is there a way of preventing further weight loss and guaranteeing weight gain (especially muscle)? I don't want to look emaciated/anorexic.
Eat raw eggs, raw meats and eat plenty. If you can stomache dairy and have access to raw milk. Eat plenty of raw cream and butter (whipped cream is zero carb). You want as much fat as you can possibly stomache and more protein than most people would eat even on this diet.
I am assuming you want to bodybuild. You want to sculpt your body, right? You have to train either for strength or for size. You dont have to stick with your choice forever, but you have to make it now in the beginning and I suggest you go for building mass. You will gain a lot of strength from BB, but compared to focused strength training it is moot. Take a look at some of the asian weightlifters. They do not have a lot of muscle going, but they are strong as bulls. Pure strength is as much a feat of will, focus and your nervous system as it is muscles.
Don't overtrain and have patience. If you are a natural hard gainer, it takes time. But perseverence and proper diet will give you good, even great, results. Diet is everything. Vince Gironda (the iron guru) put it's impotance at 85% of succesful bodybuilding. Dont spend hours in the gym. Muscle burn does not equal a good workout. This is a common misunderstanding. Find a good program youre comfortable with that has room for playing around so you and your muscles dont get bored (they need variation in work load and angles from which you "attach"). Spend no more than 45 mins a session, do this 3-4 times a week and dont take long rests between workouts or sets. I rarely do more than 20secs and only if the last exercise had me exhausted. Every 6 week should be a week off where you do no training at all.
Stay away from cardio training or keep it to an absolute minimim. Dont do situp exercises as they are counterproductive to what you want to achieve as they mess with the hormonal balance. Your stomache muscles will gain from just about everything else you do, especially squats, so there is no need for them anyway. And finally:
DRINK MORE WATER!
There is nothing natural about bodybuilding. Not a thing. It is compensating for our sedated lifestyles. So, you will have to drink a lot of water to keep everything in check for as long as you keep a regular training schedule. Your body will punish you if you dont. No sane tribesman would do repetive shit like this for no other reason than size even if he was offered a cow to do it.
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Eat raw eggs, raw meats and eat plenty. If you can stomache dairy and have access to raw milk. Eat plenty of raw cream and butter (whipped cream is zero carb). You want as much fat as you can possibly stomache and more protein than most people would eat even on this diet.
I am assuming you want to bodybuild. You want to sculpt your body, right? You have to train either for strength or for size. You dont have to stick with your choice forever, but you have to make it now in the beginning and I suggest you go for building mass. You will gain a lot of strength from BB, but compared to focused strength training it is moot. Take a look at some of the asian weightlifters. They do not have a lot of muscle going, but they are strong as bulls. Pure strength is as much a feat of will, focus and your nervous system as it is muscles.
Don't overtrain and have patience. If you are a natural hard gainer, it takes time. But perseverence and proper diet will give you good, even great, results. Diet is everything. Vince Gironda (the iron guru) put it's impotance at 85% of succesful bodybuilding. Dont spend hours in the gym. Muscle burn does not equal a good workout. This is a common misunderstanding. Find a good program youre comfortable with that has room for playing around so you and your muscles dont get bored (they need variation in work load and angles from which you "attach"). Spend no more than 45 mins a session, do this 3-4 times a week and dont take long rests between workouts or sets. I rarely do more than 20secs and only if the last exercise had me exhausted. Every 6 week should be a week off where you do no training at all.
Stay away from cardio training or keep it to an absolute minimim. Dont do situp exercises as they are counterproductive to what you want to achieve as they mess with the hormonal balance. Your stomache muscles will gain from just about everything else you do, especially squats, so there is no need for them anyway. And finally:
DRINK MORE WATER!
There is nothing natural about bodybuilding. Not a thing. It is compensating for our sedated lifestyles. So, you will have to drink a lot of water to keep everything in check for as long as you keep a regular training schedule. Your body will punish you if you dont. No sane tribesman would do repetive shit like this for no other reason than size even if he was offered a cow to do it.
Are using weights necessary for body building/putting on mass? Its hard to switch exercises quickly when you are changing weights.
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Are using weights necessary for body building/putting on mass? Its hard to switch exercises quickly when you are changing weights.
Weights are important if you want to build mass. Look at your watch. 20 sec between sets is actually a good long time. My point is that the active exercise time should not exceed 45 minutes. And you should not take too long breaks. Notice how a lot of people will wait for as long as 3-5 minutes between set and exersices. Just dont do that, it's pointless.
You have a 45min window of opportunity in which your hormones work with you to reach the goal of gaining mass most effectively. Eat a protein meal right after workouts. Raw eggs are good. Perfect food in the context.
I suggest you split up your program into bodyparts. Instead of rushing a full workout through, just focus on a muscle group like the whole back one day, and the whole front another. Isolate leg training etc. This way each muscle group is rarely overtrained and since you use your arms for nearly everything, throw the leg day in the middle of the schedule.
as you are new to raw meat I have to tell you that you are likely to experience getting slightly sluggish for as much as 3 weeks when working out. It will pass and its worth the sticking it out, believe that. If you are still feeling a bit sluggish, include some berries before workouts.
berries btw, and fruit are a good way to gain some fat. When you eat that much calories from fat and protein and you add in sugar....
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Are using weights necessary for body building/putting on mass? Its hard to switch exercises quickly when you are changing weights.
No, but as Brother points out they are much more effective at building mass. You can do bodyweight exercises as well which will build strength but it's not going to do it as quickly or visibly as weights. You'll also have to get creative with bodyweight exercises to keep building strength as well (handstand push-ups, etc).
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(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r85/Junts2005/Hunting-Gathering/bwspearthrowing.jpg)
Seem skinny? A man built to hunt of you ask me.
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Wolf, you are a female and you want fat over your muscle? Why? I love being lean and muscular, having a figure athlete (not hard bodybuilder) shape. Fat over muscle is never attractive!
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You can be lean, and have great muscle definition through strength training and diet. I eat Zero Carb, about 65-70% fat, 30-35% protein, I eat in a five hour window each day (gasp, no mini-meals or bodybuilder protein shakes) and I sit at 15% BF. My lifts go up progressively. I can do unassisted chin ups and pull ups and I can do full bodyweight dips to parallel. I do pushups, barbells, and dumbbells and cables. For me, Zero Carb + daily fasting/eating window + strength training and high resistance, short steady state cardio for legs is the formula to the body I want.
(http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww74/klowcarb/sept2010gym9.jpg)
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I reckon you could beat DurianRider in an arm wrestle.
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Full chinups/dips are pretty good for a girl.
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well, I lost the short shorts contest.
looking good k!
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Wolf, you are a female and you want fat over your muscle? Why? I love being lean and muscular, having a figure athlete (not hard bodybuilder) shape. Fat over muscle is never attractive!
Because I don't want a super hard muscular body like a man. I want to be soft and curvy, and I also want a layer of fat to help make my breasts bigger, like they were before I lost a bunch of fat weight. I don't want a huge layer of fat or anything, just a nice little layer of healthy fat. Fat over muscle is fine, in my opinion, I mean, animals in the wild gain layers of fat over their muscle all the time, usually during summer before the lean winter months. I also believe that the fat gained from a raw healthy diet would be good healthy fat, rather than the fat you see on people eating an SAD diet.
I'm pretty skinny/anorexic looking, so gaining a layer of fat over muscle wouldn't even make me look fat at all, I'd still look skinny.
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Thanks for the compliments, guys. I love chins and pull ups. My boyfriend helped me set up a progression program that got me up to doing them unassisted.
Wolf, now I see where you are coming from. I still advocate weight training for ALL women!
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(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r85/Junts2005/Hunting-Gathering/bwspearthrowing.jpg)
Seem skinny? A man built to hunt of you ask me.
All skinny and all fat is not the same. I would actually love to look like that Aborigine. I have a skinnier-looking overall body than he, yet he has less fat than me--and that's because his muscles and bones are larger than mine. I have the worst of all possible combinations: skinny-fat (although if I had a lot more visceral fat it would be even worse), which is suggestive of insulin resistance (as are several other longtime symptoms I have). Paleo at least got rid of most of the excess fat, but it hasn't yet done much for the muscle. I can't do much about my fine bones, but I've taken everyone's tips from various threads for muscle building into account, thanks, and hope to build up my muscle to his level.
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Women should def have less muscle, and a bit more fat on average than a man in natural circumstances (only considering if both the man and woman are from the same geographical race and lineage)
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Women should def have less muscle, and a bit more fat on average than a man in natural circumstances (only considering if both the man and woman are from the same geographical race and lineage)
Less muscle in the arms, but more in the abdominal area, legs etc. Women have need for muscle too I think. I think they do need more fat, as part of women's fertility, but healthy fat of course. If a woman does not want to get pregnant, body-fat may be less important to have, .. just thoughts.
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Less muscle in the arms, but more in the abdominal area, legs etc. Women have need for muscle too I think. I think they do need more fat, as part of women's fertility, but healthy fat of course. If a woman does not want to get pregnant, body-fat may be less important to have, .. just thoughts.
I disagree, I apply my statement to all main muscles including abs and legs. I think your confusing muscle with fat in the legs and hips. Just because a woman may look like she has bigger thighs in old aboriginal photos,it is fat not muscle. My sister has bigger looking legs, her legs are much much weaker than mine though. It is fat not muscle. Same applies to a lean man vs a fat man. Woman have more fat in this area and others than men in natural circumstance. Men lean and mean, woman more cushion for the pushin.
What woman here is attracted to pudgy men? What woman here is attracted to men with lean muscle?
What man here is attracted to woman that are as lean as that aboriginal man? Not me.
Katelyn has a good amount of fat on her body. I am not referring to her, she looks great with her current fat/muscle ratio! ;) She is a good example.
Other factors. Some people have bigger butts because of genetics, which is stored fat like a camel's hump. I do think woman need muscle, but men are just stronger naturally in natural circumstances when only comparing the two from the same geographical race.
Take 2 people in the same geographical race, and they don't exercise at all. The man will still be stronger.
Strong abdominal to push babies out maybe. Do you see that aboriginal man's abdominal area? You won't see an aboriginal woman from that time with abs like that.
Same as wild lions, male lion is stronger and bigger than female in natural circumstances. Gorillas are similar too humans in this aspect as well. Men are the more powerful than woman in our species given natural circumstances, and when comparing sex's in the same geographical race.
This is not sexist. It is just true.
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This is just art but good examples.
There is an Artist called Frank Frazetta. He makes some of his men look like modern day body builders.
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r85/Junts2005/frank_frazetta_thebarbarian.jpg)
some of his men he draws i like their physiques good portrayal of a fit mans physique
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r85/Junts2005/maasai-warrior-frazetta-nicholas-bockelman.jpg)
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r85/Junts2005/ffcolr77.jpg)
massai drawing looks a bit like my physique, note: i don't do anything besides martial arts, resistance band curls, wrist roller, walking through rough terrain, climbing trees, hammer motion with weight, and pulling a tire with a rope, tire on amt with weights inside, much concentration on forearms for me
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r85/Junts2005/47743_155117457832776_100000035678641_483612_5134504_n.jpg)
i also love how he draws some of his woman with their muscle fat ratio
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r85/Junts2005/frank_frazetta_beautybeast.jpg)
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r85/Junts2005/QMan_FF_Legacy_599_Escape_on_Venus.jpg)
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he didn't make them woman scrawny, ahh fat on a woman is good
most modern day comics make woman with not enough muscle or fat -v
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The aboriginal man in the middle must be at least 60 years. He's got a 8 pack!
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Wolf, now I see where you are coming from. I still advocate weight training for ALL women!
I don't have any weights to train with, but I do try to do situps, pushups(though I can only do girly ones for now), squats, and other similar working out without weights and without other equipment everyday. Before this diet I was very weak with very little muscle because I never worked out or did anything strenuous, I always just layed around lazily doing nothing much, probably because I was always tired because of a SAD diet. I still want to be strong, but I want to build my muscles on raw healthy protein too. And then after building up some better lean muscle, then I'd like to gain a layer of healthy fat overtop of it.. because I already lost a bunch of fat weight, though I'm sure it was mostly unhealthy fat.
Although really, my first priority is to get rid of my acne. The look of my body isn't as much of a priority since I still have a decent body even when I eat fully SAD, here's some old pics I found of way before I ever started eating raw, and even before i lost any fat weight, and was eating completely SAD.. fast food and soda and all, with no exercise:
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/SrIacIovv/Me/1025091812-1.jpg)
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@wodgina I know man, old aboriginal photos really impress me
@wolf Looks like you need a bit more muscle in the photos (although I find it attractive, I can't lie, my whole life I have seen woman in commercials and magazines, I am indeed brainwashed when it comes to this) It takes a more knowledgeable mind to realize certain things physically through pictures. Although visually, not all things can be perceived when it comes to health. But certain things can be determined through just the physique, skin etc.
of course these aboriginal woman aren't completely raw etc, but its the closest thing we got
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r85/Junts2005/11b-Aborigines.jpg)
this is me before any nutritional research, but i exercised, although i did eat healthier than normal kids thanks to my mom
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In my case, I look fine, much much better than average on sad diet because of exercise. but I still had acne on my back and arms which cant be seen in the photos, i of course didn't like to document that
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Some people look like good athletes and get cancer. Diet is a huge factor in health.
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@wolf Looks like you need a bit more muscle in the photos (although I find it attractive, I can't lie, my whole life I have seen woman in commercials and magazines, I am indeed brainwashed when it comes to this) It takes a more knowledgeable mind to realize certain things physically through pictures. Although visually, not all things can be perceived when it comes to health. But certain things can be determined through just the physique, skin etc.
Yeah, I have like no muscle mass at all, I still can't even do a single normal push up, my arms are so weak. My legs are a bit stronger though, I can walk a lot and do squats and stuff.. I really wish I could go running to work my legs even more, but unfortunately running would cause me to hyperventilate way before it would cause my leg muscles to feel any burn. I should probably walk more though, but I don't want to go alone. But, that's why I've been trying to work out more, because I want to get a more toned and lean body, and since now I have much more energy and motivation to do so while eating raw.
I still love my body though, muscular or not, because I don't get fat. It's just my acne covered face that I hate, mostly just my stupid skin on my face though. Well, and I wish my breasts were just a bit bigger, but that's one of the reasons why I want to add the layer of fat over my muscle, lol.
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Don't desire big breasts. If your breast are big naturally ok, but if they are small that's good too. Although, breast grow when a woman is lactating of course. Eat healthy and exercise, and except your body for what it is. some have bigger butts naturally, adaptation for storing fat. It is what it is.
You should run up stairs for exercise. make sure you skip a step. Or go walking in the woods. For your arms, you could practice climbing on top of things. that's simple. Climb on top of things, and climb down. Good starter exercise.
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I love having small breasts. About 34B. They are the perfect fit for a man's hands :). And I can wear cute, low cut tank tops or go braless. I like being lean and toned all over. I am still feminine and not at all hard, but I have no curvy lumps and find that figure unattractive. I would hate to be hourglass or have more fat and curves.
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Hey Wolf I think how you're thinking is fine. How come you don't want to go walking on your own though? If you just go walking, you can even do short periods of running along the way as well.
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beauty is the eye of beholder. for me, health comes 1st, so, the beauty of the body will ultimately turn on. i see female will become more feminine and man will become more manly (masculine) on a proper diet. we all should appreciate the way we look. everyone is beautiful and attractive. the more you want to know about someone, the more you will like that person. 8)
after eating raw meat, i also found myself more tuned. i'm also very sedated myself. coming from a culture where woman hardly do anything but cooking and raising children. but i also found the women are more attractive with body fat in some way. bengali women usually have round arms, heavy breast, round butt...etc they are gorgeous! i don't look like them though. people call me skinny.
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Girls who do weights look good. The crossfit girls look good.
If I do weights on RPD I stack on the muscle, not bloated muscle but hard lean muscle. Kinda like Sully but with a 2 pack.
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Awesome pics. Too hot to handle. :o
I hope more raw paleo women post their shots.
I'm sure it will inspire legions of women to join in.
Something like... the secret diets of sexy women.
I showed your pics and the others' pics to my women employees and they're impressed, they want to go raw.
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seriously, my take on acne, I had cystic acne back in my teens, is of course diet. Wai diet seems specialized for that. You might want to give that a try. Also the usual detoxification stuff like colon cleanse, liver flush - dermatologists know nothing about those.
I don't have any weights to train with, but I do try to do situps, pushups(though I can only do girly ones for now), squats, and other similar working out without weights and without other equipment everyday. Before this diet I was very weak with very little muscle because I never worked out or did anything strenuous, I always just layed around lazily doing nothing much, probably because I was always tired because of a SAD diet. I still want to be strong, but I want to build my muscles on raw healthy protein too. And then after building up some better lean muscle, then I'd like to gain a layer of healthy fat overtop of it.. because I already lost a bunch of fat weight, though I'm sure it was mostly unhealthy fat.
Although really, my first priority is to get rid of my acne. The look of my body isn't as much of a priority since I still have a decent body even when I eat fully SAD, here's some old pics I found of way before I ever started eating raw, and even before i lost any fat weight, and was eating completely SAD.. fast food and soda and all, with no exercise:
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/SrIacIovv/Me/1025091812-1.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/SrIacIovv/Me/0913091009.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/SrIacIovv/Me/0902091215.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/SrIacIovv/Me/Image014.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/SrIacIovv/Me/1201091533a-1.jpg)
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The perfect waist to hip ratio for women is 0.7.
I think it might be the same for men but waist to shoulder.
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Hot pics wolf! :o
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Don't desire big breasts. If your breast are big naturally ok, but if they are small that's good too. Although, breast grow when a woman is lactating of course. Eat healthy and exercise, and except your body for what it is. some have bigger butts naturally, adaptation for storing fat. It is what it is.
You should run up stairs for exercise. make sure you skip a step. Or go walking in the woods. For your arms, you could practice climbing on top of things. that's simple. Climb on top of things, and climb down. Good starter exercise.
I don't want huge breasts or anything, just more normal sized.. at least as big as they were before I lost a bunch of fat weight or just a tiny bit bigger, they were better before though, more like 34B, while now they are back down to 34A with a bit of room. I don't like being so flatchested. But I at least accept my body enough that I would never get breast implants. I just want to make them bigger naturally, and to a natural size. I like how they look in my picture with the orange shirt, and the white shirt at the bottom, I'd want them more that size again.
I can't run up and down the stairs more than a few times, or else I start to hyperventilate, and skipping a step would only make it worse. There are no woods around here, so I can't go walking in them. There isn't much to climb either, other than counters, but those are low and easy and wouldn't help much I'm sure.
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I love having small breasts. About 34B. They are the perfect fit for a man's hands :). And I can wear cute, low cut tank tops or go braless. I like being lean and toned all over. I am still feminine and not at all hard, but I have no curvy lumps and find that figure unattractive. I would hate to be hourglass or have more fat and curves.
Bcups aren't that bad, I'd be fine with some full Bcups, but see mine are Acups with a bit of room right now after I've lost weight, and I feel almost flat-chested. I actually like the size my breasts look when wearing a bra or a slight push-up bra, like in my pics, but when I take the bra's off my breasts are much smaller, and I want them to be the size they look with the bra even without the bra. I just want to fill them out, not blow them up. I'd like being somewhat hourglass shaped though, I want to be curvy, not flat as a board.
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Hey Wolf I think how you're thinking is fine. How come you don't want to go walking on your own though? If you just go walking, you can even do short periods of running along the way as well.
Walking alone I feel weird, plus what if something happened to me? My mom is super paranoid, and rubbed off a bit on me, but she would never want to let me walk by myself, plus my dad is a cop too, so he hears about people disappearing just while walking along, and sees all the murders and rapes and accidents and everything all the time, so I'm pretty sure he wouldn't want to let me walk alone either, and it makes me scared to walk alone. Especially since I'm mostly more awake during the night, and the daytime is usually way too hot to go walking, so I'd probably mostly go walking at night. Plus, walking by yourself is lonely and boring.
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I heard one healer speak before that enormous breasts are a product of toxicity, fat storing toxins.
Yours look fine.
They fill out when you bear children.
Then deflate again after they're milked out.
What are you talking about? You look great.
Let's see a recent picture now raw paleo.
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beauty is the eye of beholder. for me, health comes 1st, so, the beauty of the body will ultimately turn on. i see female will become more feminine and man will become more manly (masculine) on a proper diet. we all should appreciate the way we look. everyone is beautiful and attractive. the more you want to know about someone, the more you will like that person. 8)
after eating raw meat, i also found myself more tuned. i'm also very sedated myself. coming from a culture where woman hardly do anything but cooking and raising children. but i also found the women are more attractive with body fat in some way. bengali women usually have round arms, heavy breast, round butt...etc they are gorgeous! i don't look like them though. people call me skinny.
I do like my body already, well except right now I'm way too skinny because I've been sick and haven't been eating, and I do love personality over looks. But when you have both the personality AND the looks, it's just all that much better. I want to be super sexy for my man, too!
I did become more toned after eating raw meat though, even without working out. And Bengali, funny you should mention that race of all the races in the world, the guy I've been talking to lately is Bengali. He's not really fat, but he isn't skinny at all either, but even so I actually really like how his body looks. Or it could just be because I love his personality so much, but still. I don't know if it's because of his genetics or race or what, or that he eats somewhat healthier than most americans even though he does still eat things like chips and pizza and granola bars, and eats cooked, but his body looks better than any white guys I've seen at the same weight. My dad is probably the only one who I think looks fine even at a similar weight, and he even eats SAD, but then, he's Columbian lol. Or maybe I'm just biased because I like these guys, I don't know. But they don't have rolls or "moobs" which are probably the main turn-offs for me in bigger people.
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Awesome pics. Too hot to handle. :o
I hope more raw paleo women post their shots.
I'm sure it will inspire legions of women to join in.
Something like... the secret diets of sexy women.
I showed your pics and the others' pics to my women employees and they're impressed, they want to go raw.
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seriously, my take on acne, I had cystic acne back in my teens, is of course diet. Wai diet seems specialized for that. You might want to give that a try. Also the usual detoxification stuff like colon cleanse, liver flush - dermatologists know nothing about those.
You know those pictures of me are old ones of back when I was eating completely SAD though, right? lol. No special diet, ate whatever I wanted whenever I wanted and as much as I wanted. Not exactly the prime example of a perfect diet, I'd say. -\
And yeah, I read about the Wai diet, and I was going to try it next time I could convince my dad to buy me a whole bunch of fruit again. Even thought of showing him the Wai thing, and see if he'd be okay with letting me eat raw egg yolks and raw fish, though I'd have to try some raw fish first and see if I like it.. I've never eaten seafood much, I hate the fishy smell and don't want to taste it. if not, then maybe could just go with eating only raw egg yolks and fruit.
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Hot pics wolf! :o
Thanks!
I heard one healer speak before that enormous breasts are a product of toxicity, fat storing toxins.
Yours look fine.
They fill out when you bear children.
Then deflate again after they're milked out.
What are you talking about? You look great.
Let's see a recent picture now raw paleo.
Well, like I said I don't want enormous breasts, just want to fill them out a bit. A full Bcup I would be happy with. I like the way they look with the bra on, but they look a lot smaller once I take it off. I want them to look as big as they do with the bra on even when I take it off, and I would be happy. I liked how they looked before I lost a bunch of fat weight, too, they were nice, so I want to gain that back.
And I do need to take some more recent pictures, but for right now at least, I'm way too skinny and anorexic looking because I've been sick and haven't been eating much. But I want some new pictures of me after having been eating raw now. Just been lazy I guess, lol. And busy with work and school, too.. maybe I could try to take some now though, but I'm so anorexic right now, I don't like it.
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Walking alone I feel weird, plus what if something happened to me? My mom is super paranoid, and rubbed off a bit on me, but she would never want to let me walk by myself, plus my dad is a cop too, so he hears about people disappearing just while walking along, and sees all the murders and rapes and accidents and everything all the time, so I'm pretty sure he wouldn't want to let me walk alone either, and it makes me scared to walk alone. Especially since I'm mostly more awake during the night, and the daytime is usually way too hot to go walking, so I'd probably mostly go walking at night. Plus, walking by yourself is lonely and boring.
I hope you find people to walk with. I used to want to jog before dawn each day. I couldn't find any friends who would do it with me. They either didn't show up, or they just wanted to walk. I finally went out running by myself. A young slim woman alone attracts too many weirdos in the dark. It depends on where you live too maybe. I have walked alone at night in recent years. There was never anyone around to follow me though, different town than where I grew up.
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I heard one healer speak before that enormous breasts are a product of toxicity, fat storing toxins.
Yours look fine.
I agree. My breasts were always big, but lumpy etc. When I detoxed on raw, the only part of me that lost size was my breasts. I always wished my breasts were small.
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And I can wear cute, low cut tank tops or go braless.
Exactly. Yup, tank tops and spaghetti straps, I was always being careful even at 16 that my straps didn't show and that they didn't bounce. I also remember being only 14 and with my 18 y/o female friend. We wore sundresses. Hers looked nice and low cut. She was flat chested. My breasts just weren't right for low cut, even then. Models too, many do not have big breasts.
I understand wanting to be a B like everyone else, but I would be very happy if I had little A's. Maybe look in the mirror, and tell yourself you're beautiful :)
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i also found the women are more attractive with body fat in some way. bengali women usually have round arms, heavy breast, round butt...etc they are gorgeous! i don't look like them though. people call me skinny.
I was very skinny, all bones. One day, maybe age 13, I looked in the mirror. I had a concave belly etc. Right then I started eating as much as possible. I looked at other women. They were a little round and were sexy. I was much too thin, except my legs were muscular (arms a little too but legs were big muscles). Round is feminine. It took way too much to get me rounded, except the breasts, maybe full of mercury laden lumps.
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I don't want a huge layer of fat or anything, just a nice little layer of healthy fat. Fat over muscle is fine, in my opinion, I mean, animals in the wild gain layers of fat over their muscle all the time, usually during summer before the lean winter months. I also believe that the fat gained from a raw healthy diet would be good healthy fat, rather than the fat you see on people eating an SAD diet.
I agree, it's healthy to have that healthy type fat layer that comes along with species appropriate raw diet. Even men look good if they have that, to me, almost always did.
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I still advocate weight training for ALL women!
I agree with that too. If a woman is pregnant, sure certain exercises may be dangerous, although others are very good and important. But otherwise it's a great idea for a woman to weight-train. Strong is healthy. A person who takes care of their health loves themselves. To love others, you must also love yourself.
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Women should def have less muscle, and a bit more fat on average than a man in natural circumstances (only considering if both the man and woman are from the same geographical race and lineage)
In my family the women were more vata/pitta, and the men more pitta/kapha. The women stayed slim. The men larger bone-structure, larger muscles, and tended to gain fat if not careful, while the women kept slim. At least it was like that for a few decades. We weren't living in the woods though. Maybe the women would gain fat there and the men not. I didn't have an ounce of fat anywhere but my breasts till well into my thirties. Maybe my family did not all have the same heritage as each other though. Who does? These days there's so much variation, even in small groups.
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Took some more pictures just now:
(I feel so anorexic and boney though, especially in my thighs which use to be a lot bigger. None of my pants fit me anymore and are super baggy on me, even the ones that used to be super tight on me. The ones that weren't tight pretty much just fall right off now.)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/SrIacIovv/Me/0920100353b.jpg)
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I see what you mean Wolf.
How long have you been raw paleo?
Here's my theory on this.
I think our body renews muscles, cells, tissues and fats. So when you switch diets, your body initially may cleanse and get rid of the old body and rebuild anew. Then you gain weight.
Of course there is the issue of you finding that particular combination of raw paleo diet proportions that work for you.
I noticed I had to up my protein intake and frequency (Aajonus suggested every 5 hours.) I also upped my raw meat intake from 250 grams per day to 600 grams per day and lessened the fat and increased the protein portion. I overcame the "icky" factor with eating raw meat, so I could eat a lot more raw meat.
Of course you could always keep a food journal and others may chime in and help you out there to gain weight.
Personally, I'm happily gaining weight, now at 128 lbs. I can feel a momentum building. I want to reach 140.
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I see what you mean Wolf.
How long have you been raw paleo?
Here's my theory on this.
I think our body renews muscles, cells, tissues and fats. So when you switch diets, your body initially may cleanse and get rid of the old body and rebuild anew. Then you gain weight.
Of course there is the issue of you finding that particular combination of raw paleo diet proportions that work for you.
I noticed I had to up my protein intake and frequency (Aajonus suggested every 5 hours.) I also upped my raw meat intake from 250 grams per day to 600 grams per day and lessened the fat and increased the protein portion. I overcame the "icky" factor with eating raw meat, so I could eat a lot more raw meat.
Of course you could always keep a food journal and others may chime in and help you out there to gain weight.
Personally, I'm happily gaining weight, now at 128 lbs. I can feel a momentum building. I want to reach 140.
Hm, I started about over a month ago, maybe about a month and a half to two months by now, I'm not sure, I'm bad at keeping track of time. But I haven't been eating 100% raw, I recently had to buy new brakes and rotors for my car for $500 and at the same time have been getting less hours at work, so making a lot less money. I've been really broke, so I ended up eating some pizza which I can get free at work, and frozen dinners I can eat for free because my dad buys them.. so my diet has been rather crazy lately. But my weight was fine when I was eating enough, even when 100% raw, it's just that lately I haven't been eating a lot and then now I got sick and hardly eating at all for about 4 days, so I've lost a bit more weight. Also been going home from work early because of being sick, so I'll probably get yet another small paycheck. I just need to get back to eating more raw foods, and I should gain the weight back. I just need to start making more money, because if I don't have money for food, then the only alternative is to eat free pizza and frozen dinners and whatever fast food my dad might buy and bring home for me.. or well, actually I just remembered there's a bunch of white rice I can make too actually, but I only like to eat rice if doused and soaking in soy sauce, so I don't know how much better that would be for me than the other stuff. And it's all still commercial stuff, too, nothing organic or anything. Best non-raw food I could probably make for myself is some toast on commercial sara lee whole wheat bread with some skippy peanut butter and knott's jelly. chock full of all the bad stuff anyways, of course. Unless I want to live entirely on a little fruit and some raw eggs, which are the only raw foods I can convince my dad to buy for me, though he doesn't know I eat the eggs raw, and he also doesn't buy much fruit or eggs at once, and only goes shopping like every few weeks..
But yeah, I read up a lot on that Wai diet because I have really bad acne (I even still get acne while eating 100% raw foods, for 2 weeks I ate 100% raw straight but still got acne) and according to it I should keep my protein intake to a minimum. Raw meat has never been "icky" to me though, one of the main reasons I'm even trying to do this diet is because I've just always loved eating raw meat, I was just afraid of getting "sick" like everyone told me I would if I ate raw meat, but this site has shown me how wrong that is. I only found out that this diet could get rid of my acne after I decided I wanted to do it, and then that became my main priority.
I would however, of course, love to eat a diet as close to that of a Wolf's as possible. =]
Unfortunately I can't get any raw deer meat or anything to try, and such, and I can't afford a bunch of grass-fed beef steaks, and I can't find grass-fed fat or grass-fed marrow bones or grass-fed liver, so yeah.
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What illness are you diagnosed of?
Any drugs?
Maybe if you can get your father on board the raw paleo diet express he'd buy you stuff to help clear your acne.
Unfortunately for me in my old acne days, my mom bought the dermatologist ploy and gave me Roaccutane. (never do this).
FYI wheat is inflammation causing and gluten needs to be stamped out 100%
I just blogged about wheat http://www.eczemacure.info/blog/2010/09/19/all-wheat-and-gluten-is-bad-for-eczema-for-psoriasis-for-leaky-gut/
You could show your dad a gluten free website.
Maybe you can get a doc to brand you as gluten sensitive / celiac "disease" so your dad will make the effort of giving you wheat free meals.
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What illness are you diagnosed of?
Any drugs?
Maybe if you can get your father on board the raw paleo diet express he'd buy you stuff to help clear your acne.
Unfortunately for me in my old acne days, my mom bought the dermatologist ploy and gave me Roaccutane. (never do this).
FYI wheat is inflammation causing and gluten needs to be stamped out 100%
I just blogged about wheat http://www.eczemacure.info/blog/2010/09/19/all-wheat-and-gluten-is-bad-for-eczema-for-psoriasis-for-leaky-gut/
You could show your dad a gluten free website.
Maybe you can get a doc to brand you as gluten sensitive / celiac "disease" so your dad will make the effort of giving you wheat free meals.
I haven't been to a doctor since I was 16, I'm not diagnosed with anything whatsoever. I also don't take any drugs whatsoever either, except for some tylenol about once a month if I have to when I get menstrual cramps, only because I get really bad ones that leave me curled up in a ball unable to do anything but cry and squirm and whimper in pain, and then I'll only take 2 - 3 at one time, and only once, not even once those start to wear off, no more after that until next month. And I always wait first to see if the cramps will be tolerable and I don't need to take the tylenol. Other than the tylenol for pain, I do not take any sort of drugs whatsoever, not even nyquil if I have a cold, no birth control, no prescriptions, no tobacco, no weed or E or any other illegal drugs, nothing, and never took any of those things in my life except nyquil or other cold medicines when my mom would force me to when I was younger and got sick. I absolutely hate drugs of any kind, and refuse to take them.
My dad would never go raw, he is very much against me even eating rare steaks, let alone any sort of raw meat, and everytime I even eat a rare steak I get lectures on how it's bad for me, how it could make me sick, and blah blah, he would never eat it himself. Plus my dad works a lot (he's a cop) and he's lazy and buys fast food and frozen tv dinners just for the convenience, and doesn't even go shopping often. He also doesn't care as much about his health and already figures he's not going to live to be 100 or anything, so yeah.. I doubt the health benefits would be tempting enough for him to go so much out of his way.
And I know wheat is horrible, I try not to eat it at all, but it's hard when you've got no money for food and your work gives you free pizza. It's also hard to avoid when it's practically in every single food nowadays.
And I doubt I could get a doctor to brand me as gluten sensitive or anything, since I've never had any sort of problems before from eating wheat products, unless I could just get them to say that eating wheat will make me break out.. which I highly doubt since as far as I know most doctors don't believe that diet and acne are connected whatsoever? Plus, even when I didn't eat any wheat products for about 2 or 3 weeks, and was 100% raw for 2 of those weeks, I still broke out and was getting zits, so I can't even say wheat is the problem.
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Wolf now that I look at your pics I don't think you are too skinny or anorexic, you're just thin, and need some muscle but thats all, oh and you look HOT!
I am 5'9 tall and weigh about 116lb - my body has remained virtually the same from when I was 18y/o, I am going to be 28 soon...
I was always thin even when on SAD (even though I watched not too eat too many sweets and crap) - now on raw paleo I am still as thin but getting more nice lean muscle and I love it! Here's some pics...
Oh and these weren't meant to be sexy pics so sorry for my hairy armpits LOL too lazy to shave...hey I just realized how difficult it is to take pics of one's own body ha ha
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Some people say I am too thin, but its usually girls that are jealous, some people may say "thats not healthy" - to them I say, let see if you can out-bike me or out-run me then talk. I have no energy problems and feel great, plus I think most women are not thin enough, and most of the ones that are thin have no muscles, oh well.
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hairy armpits are indeed very paleo :)
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hairy armpits are indeed very paleo :)
yes, woman do not shave! hair, hair is good, if it grow leave it
shaving makes the hair rough!
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@wolf you new pic look better, just need a bit more muscle, but better
raw's advice was good, eat healthy, and exercise and you will look how nature intended
your looking good, work towards a healthy antural goal ;)
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yes, woman do not shave! hair, hair is good, if it grow leave it
shaving makes the hair rough!
I know I know, but no matter how paleo I think women are hotter with underarms shaved, hotness comes first then paleo'eness lol
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ew my new pics don't look good at all, i look so anorexic and boney and gross in them, plus my breasts are so small, I like how i looked in my old pics better. I've hardly eaten in 4 days, you like anorexic looking?
And I don't get told I'm too skinny by jealous girls, but by concerned family members of both genders, as well as the guy I've been talking to always calls me anorexic all the time and that I need to gain weight.
Ribs showing, to me, looks underfed. I also hate it when you can see the ribcage in the chest, like a lot of times in movie stars and models and such who all starve themselves to look good, and you can see the lines of their ribs in their chest, it looks gross to me.
I want to look well-fed and healthy, not scrawny.
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I agree it's important to be happy with your own looks, if you think you are too skinny then just eat more calories and more carbs like fruit and you will gain some weight soon enough, you should exercise too and you will stay toned while you gain weight which will look really good too.
About the rib thing, I think it is natural, in most healthy carnivores and omnivores you can see ribs, healthy dogs always have some ribs showing, I love seeing defined muscles with bones on both men and women I think its hot...I guess its up to personal taste, I love my boobs small ( because when in nude my boobs don't sag at all but look youthful and perky ), I also feel healthy at my weight though (I am stronger and more energetic then women much larger then me, skinnyness has nothing to do with strength and fitness). I never starve myself, eat whenever I am hungry and never ever count calories or fat. Also I am Russian and all my family too, I find Russian girls in general to have smaller boobs and be on the skinny side compared to American girls (at least when I lived in Russia could be different now), so it could be genetics or maybe hormones I don't know. I only get positive feedback from guys that I know by the way, both older and younger guys always hit on me to the point I am avoiding some of them, the only family members that say I am too skinny are my gandparents (who are chubby), my parents think I look great.
Only thing thats fat and bubbly on me is my ass and thats the way I like it ;D ( if a girl is so skinny that she has no ass - THEN I will say that she is too skinny lol! ) Thats how you know a girls is anorexic, when she has no upper-inner thigh fat and no ass fat!
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Wolf, Yuli, you guys look great. Wolf, I had the same problem initially. I had to up my meat intake to two lbs a day, and I know it is not very paleo, but I ate a dozen eggs a day. That helped a lot. I am currently stuck at 170lbs now and want to gain weight as well. It is a struggle for me, especially in college. I will keep you updated on my results. Ideally, I want to gain 10lbs lean. But I will agree, it is harder to gain weight on this diet if you dont eat enough meat.
Also guys, remember, not that I really go by calories, but fat is not really that calorie dense. We piss out half of the calories. Yep, scientists found that in urine, there are 5kcal of ketones (i.e. fat). So depending on how you are using energy, you could be pissing out half the calories in fat. Now does this mean fat is not nutrient dense? No, the whole calorie thing always annoys me. Calories is not how the body actually utilizes food an a cellular level.
Oh, and I recently ate an entire duck. It was the first time I ever had duck and I have to say it was the nastiest thing ever. I love raw beef and chicken, but duck just puts me off. The fat texture is horrible IMO. I like to eat less mushy fat, almost harder in texture, or somewhere in between.
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Eating any raw bird puts me off, even the way their meat looks, it looks like something I'd eat as a last resort when I am starving -v ...so I am just sticking to hoofed animals and fish. I have yet to try raw shrimps but I think I will like them...how safe are the raw frozen shrimp? I don't know where to get organic shrimp only the supermarket and fishmarket ones.
Oh and thanks for the compliment!
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I am overly thin like Wolf and Yuli so I empathize with you. I think it may be more important for gals to have some meat on their bones than guys, because gals are more prone to osteoporosis when super-thin and it's also important to have some body fat if you want to have children some day.
Wolf, I try to avoid diagnosing, prescribing or promising cures, but I thought I would just throw some thoughts out, and see if any register with you. Hyperventilation involves insufficient oxygen, of course. Refined carbs deplete oxygen, whereas animal/fish fats boost oxygen. Acne has been connected to insulin resistance, processed carbs and the nonfat fraction of non-fermented milk (possibly due to IGF-1, estrogens, and whey proteins), whereas dairy fat and fermented dairy products like cheese were not strongly associated with acne. Painful menstrual cramps (and it sounds like you may have some anxiety too, perhaps exacerbated by your mother's worrying?) and anxiety are also associated with carbs, particularly wheat and refined carbs. Underweight and all your other symptoms are also suggestive of gut dysbiosis (insufficient healthy gut bacteria and possible damage to your intestinal lining). The foods you're eating are not nourishing of gut flora and I've found it difficult myself to restore healthy gut function.
Dairy is particularly a problem when combined with wheat and other plant foods that are high in lectins or other antinutrients that human beings don't have the enzymes to break down properly (such as other grains, legumes and nightshades). Some antinutrients like lectins in grains and legumes and saponins in nightshades promote gut permeability, which allows undigested protein fractions from both these plants and from dairy products to pass through the gut lining, enter the bloodstream, and travel to the various organs of the body, including the brain where they are small enough to penetrate the blood-brain barrier and cause mental fog, anxiety and a host of other problems. As you seem to know, pizza is one of the worst possible foods for all your symptoms and for all of humanity. It whacks you with a sextuple whammy of high heat cooking, wheat, refined carbs, pasteurized processed cheese, likely linoleic acid (fat rich in nasty omega-6 and probably trans fats), and a nightshade-based sauce (tomato sauce). I recommend getting a job elsewhere ASAP. In the meantime can you trade the pizzas with friends for something else? Pretty much everyone likes pizza. So if you know someone at a burger joint or steak and seafood place you could trade your free pizza for some frozen bunless burgers or a petit steak or a salad with hard-boiled eggs or a fish filet or even a potato or rice. Just about anything would be better than pizza. If you're going to eat rice, why not add gluten-free beef gravy (you could add herbs and veggies) instead of soy sauce--or at least gluten-free soy sauce. Never underestimate the power of gluten and wheat in general to damage. I've heard quite a few people tell me that wheat doesn't bother them only to discover months or years down the road that it does.
I hope that gives you enough to chew on for now.
One tip that I've found helps a bit to avoid too much oxygen depletion (and resulting fatigue and yawning) when I eat carbs is to eat lots and lots of oxygen-generating animal fats with them. My guess is that fats are more oxygen-enriching when raw.
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I think it may be more important for gals to have some meat on their bones than guys, because gals are more prone to osteoporosis when super-thin and it's also important to have some body fat if you want to have children some day.
Really??? I have already been pregnant twice (by accident) and had to terminate the pregnancies in its very early stages (this was before I realized about the morning after pill l)), I was very thin both times I got pregnant...so no problems getting pregnant as a skinny chick!!! I am now afraid to have sex cause I get pregnant so easily.
Regarding osteoporosis, I have had accidents many times where I should have broken a bone but nothing broke, actually I am a klutz yet have never broken a bone in my life. When I was young I dropped a weight on my nose at the school gym when doing bench press and passed out because of the impact, but my nose didn't break. I can run for a long time without feeling any pain in my bones, never had joint pain. 2 years ago I jumped into a jagged rock when I was super-duper drunk and it went into the side of my big toe to the point you could almost see the bone, my foot was so swollen I could not wear any shoes, yet nothing broke (it took a half a year for my toe to heal completely after that, now its like a rock again). I have super hard bones! I think some people have a certain body type/build due to genetics, and I am proof that very thin women can have healthy bones and get pregnant easily.
I will show you a pic of my teeth when I have time and you can judge how healthy my bones are, I haven't been to the dentist since I was 8 years old, they are pearly white and rock-hard, no cavities ever, I have all my wisdom teeth too.
I think girls are more prone to osteoporosis because of lack of exercise and muscle, bad diet - not because they are thin. Many chubby women have bone problems.
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@miles, what the hell is that? looks like an alien holding the side of his head lol...
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Picard facepalm and http://i34.tinypic.com/2vae5fr.png or even http://www.straferight.com/photopost/data/500/double-facepalm.jpg
And Wolf/Phil: I don't know about the US, but in the UK most burgers contain wheat, as well as salt and other ingredients.
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I see, you haven't been on raw paleo long enough.
And now there's the economic thing being forced on wheat based foods.
Plus the illness.
If I connect the dots, I'd bet on TYLENOL every month you are taking every month.
Think about your liver getting hit every time you take Tylenol. And it is cumulative. That goes for every single drug in the market out there.
There are drug free solutions to your menstrual cramps.
Drugs are just so so so so bad.
Try to be chemical free on your body and your face. Every single day. No make up, no deodorants, no sunblock, no lotions. Those are all chemicals / pollutants.
I think working out is counter productive in this case. This may be a time to rest and feed yourself more frequently. Not those 1 meal a day things. Probably 5 or more a day. Check your digestion of course. If you were on full raw food, that's easy bcuz it's easy to digest.
I bet your dad will listen to a cooked version of the paleo diet. So at least he will buy good food.
Acne is merely detox through your face in your case.
Try my eczema cure website and you will probably clear up fast.
Hm, I started about over a month ago, maybe about a month and a half to two months by now, I'm not sure, I'm bad at keeping track of time. But I haven't been eating 100% raw, I recently had to buy new brakes and rotors for my car for $500 and at tabout:home.he same time have been getting less hours at work, so making a lot less money. I've been really broke, so I ended up eating some pizza which I can get free at work, and frozen dinners I can eat for free because my dad buys them.. so my diet has been rather crazy lately. But my weight was fine when I was eating enough, even when 100% raw, it's just that lately I haven't been eating a lot and then now I got sick and hardly eating at all for about 4 days, so I've lost a bit more weight. Also been going home from work early because of being sick, so I'll probably get yet another small paycheck. I just need to get back to eating more raw foods, and I should gain the weight back. I just need to start making more money, because if I don't have money for food, then the only alternative is to eat free pizza and frozen dinners and whatever fast food my dad might buy and bring home for me.. or well, actually I just remembered there's a bunch of white rice I can make too actually, but I only like to eat rice if doused and soaking in soy sauce, so I don't know how much better that would be for me than the other stuff. And it's all still commercial stuff, too, nothing organic or anything. Best non-raw food I could probably make for myself is some toast on commercial sara lee whole wheat bread with some skippy peanut butter and knott's jelly. chock full of all the bad stuff anyways, of course. Unless I want to live entirely on a little fruit and some raw eggs, which are the only raw foods I can convince my dad to buy for me, though he doesn't know I eat the eggs raw, and he also doesn't buy much fruit or eggs at once, and only goes shopping like every few weeks..
But yeah, I read up a lot on that Wai diet because I have really bad acne (I even still get acne while eating 100% raw foods, for 2 weeks I ate 100% raw straight but still got acne) and according to it I should keep my protein intake to a minimum. Raw meat has never been "icky" to me though, one of the main reasons I'm even trying to do this diet is because I've just always loved eating raw meat, I was just afraid of getting "sick" like everyone told me I would if I ate raw meat, but this site has shown me how wrong that is. I only found out that this diet could get rid of my acne after I decided I wanted to do it, and then that became my main priority.
I would however, of course, love to eat a diet as close to that of a Wolf's as possible. =]
Unfortunately I can't get any raw deer meat or anything to try, and such, and I can't afford a bunch of grass-fed beef steaks, and I can't find grass-fed fat or grass-fed marrow bones or grass-fed liver, so yeah.
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@Miles: I know Yuli doesn't agree with me on her being "overly thin" and if she or anyone else wants to suggest a different term that will be more acceptable and still enable discussion, feel free. By including myself in the comment I tried to show I meant no harm, and Yuli seems to feel quite good about herself so I didn't think there would be any harm taken, but if so, then I apologize.
I kinda thought that one of the few benefits of being skinny and being open about it was I could talk frankly with other slim folks about the subject (you know, kinda like Oprah does about overweight--though I know I'm not as warm and fuzzy as Oprah), but guess I overstepped my mark.
Really??? I have already been pregnant twice (by accident) and had to terminate the pregnancies in its very early stages (this was before I realized about the morning after pill l)), I was very thin both times I got pregnant...so no problems getting pregnant as a skinny chick!!! I am now afraid to have sex cause I get pregnant so easily.
I should have been more clear--I meant that it's my understanding that a certain amount of healthy body fat in women is generally regarded as beneficial in terms of both reproductive and general health by both most scientists and all the traditional peoples of the world, not that it's an absolute necessity in order to get pregnant. I'm talking about overall robustness, rather than absolutes, and not just re: pregnancy. If you're interested in more info on it, let me know. If not, that's fine too, and of course I and the scientists and the traditional peoples could all be wrong and there's also an exception to every rule. On the other hand, sharing and considering information can be beneficial at times.
Regarding osteoporosis, I have had accidents many times where I should have broken a bone but nothing broke, ....
It's comforting to know that you're doing so well, and perhaps your youthful and innocent-looking countenance brought out the concerned father in me and I'm just overreacting to your images. However, aren't you rather young yet for any obvious symptoms of low bone mineral density to appear? Besides, I wasn't trying to imply that you have it already, just discussing that a safety margin of healthy fat in the context of robust health has been connected to lower risk of future development of low bone mineral density and osteoporosis. This happens to be an issue of particular interest for me, because I looked into it before at the request of a female family member who, like me, is very thin (plus I just received another lecture myself from my best friend on the need for me to put on some weight, :D which as usual I agreed with--but easier said than done :D ).
I can run for a long time without feeling any pain in my bones, never had joint pain. I have super hard bones!
That's excellent--exercise is useful in lowering the risk for both low BMD and sarcopenia in later years. How strong are your connective tissues like your ligaments? If you have no lax joints, that's another good sign.
I think some people have a certain body type/build due to genetics....
Yes, and I believe that's true in my case as well, but I also think that it's generally beneficial even for people like me who are genetically thin to add on at least some muscle if not also healthy fat depots (with the science and tradition suggesting that the former is more important, and the latter less important, in males). I can further explain and support what I mean if you're interested.
I will show you a pic of my teeth when I have time and you can judge how healthy my bones are, I haven't been to the dentist since I was 8 years old, they are pearly white and rock-hard, no cavities ever, I have all my wisdom teeth too.
I believe you, and that's comforting as well, thank you.
I think girls are more prone to osteoporosis because of lack of exercise and muscle, bad diet - not because they are thin. Many chubby women have bone problems.
If I recall correctly, the information I found suggested otherwise. I can check for what I saved on it and further explain it if you like, but I don't wish to step on toes.
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Picard facepalm and http://i34.tinypic.com/2vae5fr.png or even http://www.straferight.com/photopost/data/500/double-facepalm.jpg
And Wolf/Phil: I don't know about the US, but in the UK most burgers contain wheat, as well as salt and other ingredients.
In this country burger patties contain much less wheat than pizzas. :D Between the two I'd take the frozen burger patties, wouldn't you? Besides, I sometimes add sea salt to my food, so you're talking to the wrong person. ;)
This diet definitely presents some difficulties when one is living under someone else's roof and/or doesn't have money to burn. It's one reason I'm less fond of extended stays at other people's homes now.
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I know I know, but no matter how paleo I think women are hotter with underarms shaved, hotness comes first then paleo'eness lol
Paleoness is hotness, all natural woman are beautiful!
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So uhh yuli, wolf...
Which one of you wants to meet me back in my cave? O0
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@ sully : I know I like natural too, but I also adore smooth skin on certain parts :P just my personal taste...
@ kurite : Depends, does your cave have hot springs in its front yard? and is it spacious and airy??
@ darcyhayden : huh? yeah thats what I need, an EPHEDRINE fat burner! so I can finally become 2 dimensional! My lifelong dream coming true!
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@ darcyhayden : huh? yeah thats what I need, an EPHEDRINE fat burner! so I can finally become 2 dimensional! My lifelong dream coming true!
It was spam. They're gone now. :)
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I agree it's important to be happy with your own looks, if you think you are too skinny then just eat more calories and more carbs like fruit and you will gain some weight soon enough, you should exercise too and you will stay toned while you gain weight which will look really good too.
About the rib thing, I think it is natural, in most healthy carnivores and omnivores you can see ribs, healthy dogs always have some ribs showing, I love seeing defined muscles with bones on both men and women I think its hot...I guess its up to personal taste, I love my boobs small ( because when in nude my boobs don't sag at all but look youthful and perky ), I also feel healthy at my weight though (I am stronger and more energetic then women much larger then me, skinnyness has nothing to do with strength and fitness). I never starve myself, eat whenever I am hungry and never ever count calories or fat. Also I am Russian and all my family too, I find Russian girls in general to have smaller boobs and be on the skinny side compared to American girls (at least when I lived in Russia could be different now), so it could be genetics or maybe hormones I don't know. I only get positive feedback from guys that I know by the way, both older and younger guys always hit on me to the point I am avoiding some of them, the only family members that say I am too skinny are my gandparents (who are chubby), my parents think I look great.
Only thing thats fat and bubbly on me is my ass and thats the way I like it ;D ( if a girl is so skinny that she has no ass - THEN I will say that she is too skinny lol! ) Thats how you know a girls is anorexic, when she has no upper-inner thigh fat and no ass fat!
I want to try to eat more calories, but it's a bit difficult because I've been making less money at work and I had to spend $500 on new brakes and rotors for my car, so I can't afford as much food right now. Once I start making more money, hopefully, then I should be able to add more food into my diet and hopefully gain some weight back, and hopefully I can convince my dad to buy me enough fruit for me to eat some everyday. I do exercise everyday though to try and keep toned, but it's hard when too strenuous of activity like jogging or running up and down stairs makes you hyperventilate, and you also don't have any weights or equipment to do weight training with.
And I don't want my boobs big enough to sag, they don't sag at all right now, I just want to add a nice layer of fat one them and fill them out a bit more.. they're so flat and small, I just want to round them out a bit more.
And my thighs have always been the fattest part on me, and my butt is fine too, even after I lost so much fat weight I'm glad I don't have to worry as much about my butt didn't flatten out, lol. But my thighs did get a lot skinnier, and none of my pants fit me anymore.
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Wolf, Yuli, you guys look great. Wolf, I had the same problem initially. I had to up my meat intake to two lbs a day, and I know it is not very paleo, but I ate a dozen eggs a day. That helped a lot. I am currently stuck at 170lbs now and want to gain weight as well. It is a struggle for me, especially in college. I will keep you updated on my results. Ideally, I want to gain 10lbs lean. But I will agree, it is harder to gain weight on this diet if you dont eat enough meat.
Also guys, remember, not that I really go by calories, but fat is not really that calorie dense. We piss out half of the calories. Yep, scientists found that in urine, there are 5kcal of ketones (i.e. fat). So depending on how you are using energy, you could be pissing out half the calories in fat. Now does this mean fat is not nutrient dense? No, the whole calorie thing always annoys me. Calories is not how the body actually utilizes food an a cellular level.
Well, after reading about the Wai diet and how too much protein seems to be a cause for acne, I've actually been trying to keep my meat intake lower to see if that helps with my bad acne. As much as I'd like to eat 2 lbs of meat a day, I want to avoid that for now and see how that affects my acne. Right now I'm trying to stay at 8oz of ground beef(85/15) and two egg yolks a day for my protein intake(and also to save money). Plus I think the carbs/sugar in fruit would be more effective in gaining weight than meat and fat. That's interesting that most of the fat doesn't get stored though, I was going to use a bunch of fat as my staple source of calories with my eating less meat and egg yolks, and then hoping that adding fruit to my diet everyday on top of that would help me to gain weight back.
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Wolf, I try to avoid diagnosing, prescribing or promising cures, but I thought I would just throw some thoughts out, and see if any register with you. Hyperventilation involves insufficient oxygen, of course. Refined carbs deplete oxygen, whereas animal/fish fats boost oxygen. Acne has been connected to insulin resistance, processed carbs and the nonfat fraction of non-fermented milk (possibly due to IGF-1, estrogens, and whey proteins), whereas dairy fat and fermented dairy products like cheese were not strongly associated with acne. Painful menstrual cramps (and it sounds like you may have some anxiety too, perhaps exacerbated by your mother's worrying?) and anxiety are also associated with carbs, particularly wheat and refined carbs. Underweight and all your other symptoms are also suggestive of gut dysbiosis (insufficient healthy gut bacteria and possible damage to your intestinal lining). The foods you're eating are not nourishing of gut flora and I've found it difficult myself to restore healthy gut function.
Dairy is particularly a problem when combined with wheat and other plant foods that are high in lectins or other antinutrients that human beings don't have the enzymes to break down properly (such as other grains, legumes and nightshades). Some antinutrients like lectins in grains and legumes and saponins in nightshades promote gut permeability, which allows undigested protein fractions from both these plants and from dairy products to pass through the gut lining, enter the bloodstream, and travel to the various organs of the body, including the brain where they are small enough to penetrate the blood-brain barrier and cause mental fog, anxiety and a host of other problems. As you seem to know, pizza is one of the worst possible foods for all your symptoms and for all of humanity. It whacks you with a sextuple whammy of high heat cooking, wheat, refined carbs, pasteurized processed cheese, likely linoleic acid (fat rich in nasty omega-6 and probably trans fats), and a nightshade-based sauce (tomato sauce). I recommend getting a job elsewhere ASAP. In the meantime can you trade the pizzas with friends for something else? Pretty much everyone likes pizza. So if you know someone at a burger joint or steak and seafood place you could trade your free pizza for some frozen bunless burgers or a petit steak or a salad with hard-boiled eggs or a fish filet or even a potato or rice. Just about anything would be better than pizza. If you're going to eat rice, why not add gluten-free beef gravy (you could add herbs and veggies) instead of soy sauce--or at least gluten-free soy sauce. Never underestimate the power of gluten and wheat in general to damage. I've heard quite a few people tell me that wheat doesn't bother them only to discover months or years down the road that it does.
I hope that gives you enough to chew on for now.
One tip that I've found helps a bit to avoid too much oxygen depletion (and resulting fatigue and yawning) when I eat carbs is to eat lots and lots of oxygen-generating animal fats with them. My guess is that fats are more oxygen-enriching when raw.
I seem to be doing better on the whole hyperventilation thing after having been eating raw meat and much less grains now, but I still get it. Way back in middle school when my parents took me to my doctor to find out why I hyperventilate when I run, the doctor said it was because of the smog. And it really does get really really badly smoggy here, and I do notice that my hyperventilation seems to get much worse on much smoggier days. Also, one time when I went up to the mountains and I was for once in clean crisp cool air with no smog at all, and I ran, it was so much more refreshing than usual.. When I run normally, and begin to hyperventilate, I feel bad, and if I push myself, then I start to even feel sick and horrible. But when I ran up in the mountains, I still ran out of breath quickly, because I never run so I'm not used to it, but unlike when I normally ran, I felt invigorated and amazing, it actually felt good. I felt that if I lived up there, that I could go running everyday and actually love it, whereas I normally hate to run. So I think the smog is a majority of the problem, while the rest of the problem mostly seems to be the fact that I never run and I normally breathe shallow, so my lung capacity is very small.. which could probably be partially helped by diet, but would probably better be helped if I exercised more.
As far as acne, I've heard so many different causes and reasons for it by now, that really I think that there isn't just one specific cause for acne, but that most people all have completely different reasons for breaking out. I went 2 weeks on completely 100% raw with no cheats whatsoever, not even a lick of anything even suspected as non raw, and still got acne, so I don't see how it could just be toxins. I got rid of fruit, and still got acne, so I don't see how it could be sugar, I got rid of dairy, and still got acne, so I don't see how it could be whatever's in dairy. I've now lowered my intake of protein, and still get acne, though it seems to be better now and I'm thinking a Wai diet might help. But, I hadn't even eaten anything other than raw cheese and raw butter for the passed 2 days, and not a lot of it either, mind you, with just 4 ounces of raw meat that I ate yesterday, and woke up today with like 3 new zits, though small ones. However, if the Wai diet's way is right, then the zits could have been caused by my sudden increase in intake of salt from the cheese, though I can't find any unsalted raw cheese.. I don't think I can even find any unsalted regular cheese, let alone unsalted raw cheese. But I only ate the dairy because lately I've had stomach pains accompanied with diarrhea which I think may have been some sort of food poisoning, which eating anything seemed to worsen it, so I decided to try raw dairy as a probiotic, and it seems to have helped a lot. Otherwise I haven't been consuming dairy for a while(other than the few times I eat pizza, but that's just a whole host of problems in itself, like you said).
Also, when I was on my 2 weeks of 100% purely raw, I still had bad cramps when I started my period. I don't really have anxiety, I don't live with my mom anymore either so her worrying isn't much of a problem anymore, but I never let it bother me anyways really. I'm pretty care-free and lazy and don't like to stress over things, both my parents have rather stressful lives and I see what the stress does to them, and so I do my best not to let anything stress me out or do anything that will stress me out. I'm not sure about how my gut is though, I've never seemed to have any problems whatsoever with my gut even when eating a completely SAD diet, so I've always believed myself to have a supreme and superior digestive tract. I could be wrong though of course.
And yeah, I know pizza is horrible. But getting a job somewhere else? I was unemployed for almost an entire year, looking for a job but no one would call me back or anything, it was horrible trying to find a job, before finally I was lucky enough to get a call back on a nearly 6 month old app at domino's pizza and they pretty much hired me on the spot. The job is so surprisingly easy and so stress free as well(my last job was getting me really stressed actually, to the point I was smoking hookah/shisha [NOT WEED like some people assume, it's like flavoured tobacco] for a little while to help me relax) and my $600 of credit card debt accumulated during my near year of unemployment was then paid off within about a month, I bought a brand new $600 laptop computer within the next month, and had saved up $1,000 by the next month. That's more money I've made in such a short amount of time than I have ever made at any of my other jobs before. Then management changed and the amount of money I was making dropped dramatically. However, the store that I am at right now is not the original store that I was hired at, which burnt down 3 days after I was hired there, and they have been rebuilding it. Once it's back up, and I can go back I'll have better management and be in a better area and be making more money, and hopefully even be working more hours on top of that, so I should be making good money again then, maybe even more than when I paid off my card and bout a new comp and stuff. Just until then I have to suffer through this bad manager and bad area and less money, until my original store is back up, and I can make good money again, I don't want another job unless it's easier/just as easy and I'm making total bank, which is nearly impossible.
As for trading pizza for other food, the free pizza I get is mostly messed up/canceled orders that we can't resell and so we put it to the side and the employees all eat it. I can't exactly just grab the half eaten pizza and walk out of there on the clock to go barter with some of the other food places for other food.. and I don't have any friends in other food places anyways.
As for the rice and soy sauce, I think the main part of it I like is the salt, which is the part I'm more afraid of because of my acne, and for now I'm trying to go with a more Wai diet approach. Although, Wai said that it's just an increase from your normal intake of salt that will cause temporary acne, perhaps I should just take a daily dose of salt so that on the days I do happen to consume something salty, I don't have to worry so much about that.. hm. I don't know, I think I just need to keep experimenting with my diet to see what works best I guess. I do know that, at least, since starting to eat raw, my acne has been dramatically reduced from what it used to be, so I have hope. I guess I just need to better fine tune my diet to completely get rid of my acne, I just gotta figure out what works best.
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Really??? I have already been pregnant twice (by accident) and had to terminate the pregnancies in its very early stages (this was before I realized about the morning after pill l)), I was very thin both times I got pregnant...so no problems getting pregnant as a skinny chick!!! I am now afraid to have sex cause I get pregnant so easily.
I don't think more fat is meant helping pregnancy as far as fertility, or how easily you get pregnant, but rather how well your body handles that pregnancy, and can nourish and feed the baby.
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I see, you haven't been on raw paleo long enough.
And now there's the economic thing being forced on wheat based foods.
Plus the illness.
If I connect the dots, I'd bet on TYLENOL every month you are taking every month.
Think about your liver getting hit every time you take Tylenol. And it is cumulative. That goes for every single drug in the market out there.
There are drug free solutions to your menstrual cramps.
Drugs are just so so so so bad.
Try to be chemical free on your body and your face. Every single day. No make up, no deodorants, no sunblock, no lotions. Those are all chemicals / pollutants.
I think working out is counter productive in this case. This may be a time to rest and feed yourself more frequently. Not those 1 meal a day things. Probably 5 or more a day. Check your digestion of course. If you were on full raw food, that's easy bcuz it's easy to digest.
I bet your dad will listen to a cooked version of the paleo diet. So at least he will buy good food.
Acne is merely detox through your face in your case.
Try my eczema cure website and you will probably clear up fast.
I only take tylenol because I HAVE to. The cramps are HORRIBLE. And nothing I do can get rid of them, none of those damn heating pads or other external crap work at all. The ONLY thing that seemed to help reduce them at all, is if I drank large quantities of commercial pasteurized milk in the week before starting my period, and especially in the two days before starting. I don't know if raw milk would have the same effect, since raw milk is really expensive and I can't afford to drink 5 gallons of raw milk in one week every four weeks. Plus my cycle isn't very regular at all, so then if I start drinking my milk a week before I'm supposed to start, but then I start a week late, then I end up drinking large quantities of milk for two weeks instead. That also makes it difficult to be able to specially make sure to drink extra milk in the two days right before I start, which seems to work the best in reducing my cramps.
But I have no idea what it is in the pasteurized milk that helped reduce my cramps. I don't know if it was the calcium, the vitamin D, some other nutrient in the milk, the lactose, the natural cow hormones, the hormones from commercial hormone-infested grain-fed cows, some compound in the milk only created by pasteurizing it, or what. And even so, sometimes when I drank milk before starting my period I'd still get bad cramps.
I absolutely positively HATE having to take the tylenol every month because of my cramps, but I have no other choice. Nothing else works to get rid of them, especially once they start. And once they get bad, I can't do anything but curl up in a ball and squirm and cry in pain. I can't move, I can't get up, I can't pay attention to anything, I can't even hardly talk, let alone drive to work or school or anything. But I still keep the tylenol use to a minmum. I only take 2 - 3 pills once everytime I get the cramps, and I won't take anymore after that even if they wear off and the cramps start to come back. The cramps never quite get as bad after that, even if I might be in a lot of discomfort, I still do not take anymore pills. I hate them. And they are the only thing I ever take.
Also, I don't wear makeup, I rarely wear deodorant, I NEVER wear sunblock, and I rarely use lotion, and only even been using it more recently like the passed year or two, before that I never used lotion. I don't even shower everyday. I do not wear perfume, and very rarely use body spray. I don't use toothpaste. I rarely even brush my teeth. And I've been like this my entire life.
And yeah, I haven't been working out for the passed 4 or 5 days that I've been sick. But once I get over the sickness and am eating more again, I'll go back to working out. I want to build muscle and become strong. I don't even do that intensive of a work out, I just lay around on the floor doing sit ups and leg work outs, then roll over and do some girly push ups, and then do a bit of stretching, and maybe stand up and do some squats. I probably only work out for about 5 - 10 minutes at most a day, so not a lot, I'm lazy.
And I'm not sure if my dad will listen to a cooked paleo diet, he won't buy meat because he doesn't have the time to cook it and such, and he knows I won't cook it and that I will probably eat it raw which he will not allow. Other than that is pretty much just fruit and eggs, which he already buys.
And for right now I'm going to try more of a Wai diet approach for my acne, and see how that turns out for now. If not, then maybe I'll look up stuff on eczema then, and try that instead.
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In this country burger patties contain much less wheat than pizzas. :D Between the two I'd take the frozen burger patties, wouldn't you? Besides, I sometimes add sea salt to my food, so you're talking to the wrong person. ;)
This diet definitely presents some difficulties when one is living under someone else's roof and/or doesn't have money to burn. It's one reason I'm less fond of extended stays at other people's homes now.
Yeah, it would probably be better for me to eat a cheeseburger without buns than a pizza. Or maybe if I do eat pizza, I can stick with the thin crust?
So uhh yuli, wolf...
Which one of you wants to meet me back in my cave? O0
Lol, I doubt you'd like me as much after seeing my acne covered face.
Also I am not promiscuous, I'm monogamous.. Wolves mate for life!!
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Ever tried liver flushes for acne?
How's your teeth?
- cavities?
- metals?
- fillings?
- root canals?
Ever been to a chiropractor?
Ever done a 3 day apple feast?
Ever done a fast?
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@PaleoPhil: No harm taken sweety! I am a adult woman and feel great with my weight and body type, so I don't take heart to any comments its all interesting and welcome debate to me ;D ! Maybe some women would not feel healthy in my weight, I would not feel healthy in their weight either, so I can understand everyone has their own way of being. All I wanted was to show that some very SMALL framed and skinny women are natural and real!
No I have never taken a pregnancy to term but I am sure I would have no problem with that (yes I have no PROOF but I listen to my body constantly), feeling physically great and not having any health issues whatsoever, feeling better as I get older at my weight - not worse, having no issues eating ANY kind of raw meat and then all of a sudden mixing random cooked food (call it self-experimentation) and still having no issues (only bloating & bad skin from grains & pure sugar but those are just poisons anyway) all that tells me I'm fine. Some girls at my weight stop getting their period I heard...I have never missed my period at my weight. I have a very high sex drive, and get pregnant when I am literally shown a picture of a sperm LOL, to me thats signs of a healthy woman.
I have no migraines or headaches ever (only had them as a young teen due to horrible eating), not weak, and extremely flexible...can someone with bad joints and bones do splits and go backwards to a bridge from standing position, and I don't even practice yoga (but thinking of starting), I think not! When it comes to overall robustness guys I know consider me a tough chick, definitely not a delicate flower.
Oh and I don't come from a pure and clean and innocent background, I have done more then my share of heavy chemical drugs (I went to raves when I was 14-15 and did e and coke wow weeee), heavy drinking, smoking, and guess what, I am still doing good! I have no addictions, when I stop doing something my body goes ahead and detoxifies the faulty substance in it! As soon as I take care of my body it starts rewarding me, instantly (hence why I love my body).
Should I add more muscle, YES! I agree, I am working on it now and it feels good, and will post some progress pics when the time is right. Should I add any fat NO WAY, why? I am not planning to walk across the desert and live off of my 'reserves', I am not planning for winter hibernation - if I had something like that in mind I would then try and get extra fat on. I DO have fat on my ass, and I have plump inner thighs, thats my 'woman fat' and thats all I require for health.
I know there is LOTS of information out there that women need to have a layer of fat but to me the greatest source of information is listening to my body, to how I feel (not to doctors or researchers or their one-minded stupid studies), listening to my own mental state and well being! Any information out there is relative and some people ALWAYS end up proving otherwise.
I feel like a ninja, nimble and light on my feet, I feel like this is how I always want to be...Feeling good in your own body is whats important, not conforming to some general concept of 'wellbeing'! Taking cues from your body and knowing how to give your body what it needs is one of the best and healthiest habits to learn.
@Miles: I know Yuli doesn't agree with me on her being "overly thin" and if she or anyone else wants to suggest a different term that will be more acceptable and still enable discussion, feel free. By including myself in the comment I tried to show I meant no harm, and Yuli seems to feel quite good about herself so I didn't think there would be any harm taken, but if so, then I apologize.
I kinda thought that one of the few benefits of being skinny and being open about it was I could talk frankly with other slim folks about the subject (you know, kinda like Oprah does about overweight--though I know I'm not as warm and fuzzy as Oprah), but guess I overstepped my mark.
I should have been more clear--I meant that it's my understanding that a certain amount of healthy body fat in women is generally regarded as beneficial in terms of both reproductive and general health by both most scientists and all the traditional peoples of the world, not that it's an absolute necessity in order to get pregnant. I'm talking about overall robustness, rather than absolutes, and not just re: pregnancy. If you're interested in more info on it, let me know. If not, that's fine too, and of course I and the scientists and the traditional peoples could all be wrong and there's also an exception to every rule. On the other hand, sharing and considering information can be beneficial at times.
It's comforting to know that you're doing so well, and perhaps your youthful and innocent-looking countenance brought out the concerned father in me and I'm just overreacting to your images. However, aren't you rather young yet for any obvious symptoms of low bone mineral density to appear? Besides, I wasn't trying to imply that you have it already, just discussing that a safety margin of healthy fat in the context of robust health has been connected to lower risk of future development of low bone mineral density and osteoporosis. This happens to be an issue of particular interest for me, because I looked into it before at the request of a female family member who, like me, is very thin (plus I just received another lecture myself from my best friend on the need for me to put on some weight, :D which as usual I agreed with--but easier said than done :D ).
That's excellent--exercise is useful in lowering the risk for both low BMD and sarcopenia in later years. How strong are your connective tissues like your ligaments? If you have no lax joints, that's another good sign.
Yes, and I believe that's true in my case as well, but I also think that it's generally beneficial even for people like me who are genetically thin to add on at least some muscle if not also healthy fat depots (with the science and tradition suggesting that the former is more important, and the latter less important, in males). I can further explain and support what I mean if you're interested.
I believe you, and that's comforting as well, thank you.
If I recall correctly, the information I found suggested otherwise. I can check for what I saved on it and further explain it if you like, but I don't wish to step on toes.
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I thought this is a fun, and cute video...maybe it's off topic then I apologize.
These twins are 85 years old!!!
Look at their bodies...this disproves the fact that thin old women are always prone to bone and joint problems, most people 20 years old cant do anything even close to this...and look at how tiny these grannies are. :o
http://www.youtube.com/v/hSoO8_H-HrY?fs=1&hl=en_US
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Yeah, it would probably be better for me to eat a cheeseburger without buns than a pizza. Or maybe if I do eat pizza, I can stick with the thin crust?
Lol, I doubt you'd like me as much after seeing my acne covered face.
Also I am not promiscuous, I'm monogamous.. Wolves mate for life!!
Wolf, I did the cooked paleo diet for a whole year before raw. It did wonders for my acne. Its not as good as raw, but I think Kurite and others are right, getting rid of most wheat and grain will eradicate much acne.
Monogamous is very respectable and beautiful. I only want to be with one woman.
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I seem to be doing better on the whole hyperventilation thing after having been eating raw meat and much less grains now, but I still get it.
Well, that's progress any way.
Way back in middle school when my parents took me to my doctor to find out why I hyperventilate when I run, the doctor said it was because of the smog. And it really does get really really badly smoggy here, and I do notice that my hyperventilation seems to get much worse on much smoggier days. Also, one time when I went up to the mountains and I was for once in clean crisp cool air with no smog at all, and I ran, it was so much more refreshing than usual..
Smog certainly aggravates breathing difficulties but if it were the sole cause, why doesn't everyone who runs in smog hyperventilate? I know three people who used to use Px sinus sprays and appeared to get allergy attacks, sinus congestion and post nasal drip that were triggered by plants, animals and overexertion. Then when they eliminated wheat and went near-Paleo they were able to discard the sprays and now those other things rarely bother them and to a much lower extent. When I cut carbs down to VLC/ZC my sinuses cleared up even more than theirs.
As far as acne, I've heard so many different causes and reasons for it by now, that really I think that there isn't just one specific cause for acne,
Correct, I think I mentioned 3 potential triggers, with at least 5 different compounds suspected and likely many more.
but that most people all have completely different reasons for breaking out. ...
In my case the acne didn't clear up completely until I got my diet down to raw meat, raw animal fat and water. Now I can handle a little bit of plant carbs once in a while--especially if I take a small amount of zinc the same day or the next. If I get a zit I take a full or 2x daily dose of zinc for a day or two to get rid of it. YMMV
But I only ate the dairy because lately I've had stomach pains accompanied with diarrhea which I think may have been some sort of food poisoning, which eating anything seemed to worsen it, so I decided to try raw dairy as a probiotic, and it seems to have helped a lot. Otherwise I haven't been consuming dairy for a while(other than the few times I eat pizza, but that's just a whole host of problems in itself, like you said).
Yeah, could the diarrhea and stomach pains have been related to the pizza?
Also, when I was on my 2 weeks of 100% purely raw, I still had bad cramps when I started my period.
I might get chewed out for saying it, but in my case rawness only seems to account for about 5% or less of my health benefits, though perhaps that will change over time.
And yeah, I know pizza is horrible. But getting a job somewhere else? I was unemployed for almost an entire year, looking for a job but no one would call me back or anything,
I don't mean quit your job first--I mean ask discrete friends and family if they know of an opening, or don't eat the pizza, or sell the pizza, or _______.
I was smoking hookah/shisha [NOT WEED like some people assume, it's like flavoured tobacco]
8) Did you know that Dr. Robert Lustig and others have claimed that smoking has been found to be much less harmful if refined carbs are avoided? However, like any added complexity it adds an unknown amount of risk (could be zero, could be much more).
However, the store that I am at right now is not the original store that I was hired at, which burnt down 3 days after I was hired there
Hmmmm..., quite the coincidence.
As for the rice and soy sauce, I think the main part of it I like is the salt, which is the part I'm more afraid of because of my acne,
Interesting, I've never noticed a connection with mine. I was never a big salt eater and actually add more salt to my food now than when I had acne. It doesn't appear to be providing any noticeable benefit either, though.
[qutoe]and for now I'm trying to go with a more Wai diet approach. Although, Wai said that it's just an increase from your normal intake of salt that will cause temporary acne,[/quote]That doesn't match my case. Wheat and other plant carbs were the key triggers for me and raw red meat and zinc helped. I've replicated the results numerous times and can make zits appear (eat carbs) and disappear (eat a generous portion of red meat or take zinc) pretty much at will now.
I think I just need to keep experimenting with my diet to see what works best I guess.
Probably so.
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Talking about smog and smoking - if you live in smog - smoke weed its a great expectorant!
When I used to smoke to many cigs, weed has always helped me flush out the phlegm!
quote:
"Cannabis is the best natural expectorant to clear the human lungs of smog, dust, and the phlegm associated with tobacco use.
Marijuana smoke effectively dilates the airways of the lungs, the bronchi, opening them to allow more oxygen into the lungs. It is also the best natural dilator of the tiny airways of the lungs, the bronchial tubes—making cannabis the best overall bronchial dilator for 80% of the population (the remaining 20% sometimes show minor negative reactions).
(See section on asthma—a disease that closes these passages in spasms—UCLA Tashkin studies, 1969-95; U.S. Costa Rican, 1980-82; Jamaican studies 1968-74.)
Statistical evidence—showing up consistently as anomalies in matched populations—indicates that persons who smoke tobacco cigarettes are usually better off and will live longer if they smoke cannabis moderately, too. (Jamaican, Costa Rican studies.)
Millions of Americans have given up or avoided smoking tobacco products in favor of cannabis, which is not good news to the powerful tobacco lobby—Senator Jesse Helms and his cohorts. A turn of the century grandfather clause in U.S. tobacco law allows 400 to 6,000 additional chemicals to be added. Additions since then to the average tobacco cigarette are unknown, and the public in the U.S. has no right to know what they are.
Many joggers and marathon runners feel cannabis use cleans their lungs, allowing better endurance."
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Ever tried liver flushes for acne?
How's your teeth?
- cavities?
- metals?
- fillings?
- root canals?
Ever been to a chiropractor?
Ever done a 3 day apple feast?
Ever done a fast?
I never really tried a liver flush, except once I tried mixing raw egg yolk with some lime, which someone on this site suggested to me once to flush my liver, but it didn't do anything to me at all. I don't really know any liver flushes though, other than the egg yolk/lime I was told about.
I haven't been to a dentist since I was about 5 or 6 years old. Never had anything done to my teeth or any problems with them, and they all seem perfectly fine, other than for being a bit yellow and crooked. They feel even better now though after I've been eating raw, they had started feeling loose for a little while before I started raw, but that's completely gone now and I haven't felt it since. They only feel good, clean, and strong now.
Never been to a chiropractor.
Might throw in that I haven't been to a doctor since I was 16 either, I hate going to doctors/dentists/etc. and only ever went when I was forced to by my parents.. and never been to any other sort of medical professionals/specialists, either.
Never had an apple feast, as far as I know.. I never much liked apples because I only really love them when they're crisp, crunchy, juicy, and sweet.. But all the apples I was eating were either mushy or dry, and it was gross and turned me off apples. Probably might have been because they were all commercial apples though, and could have been out of season too, idk. When I do at rare times get those crisp-crunchy-juicy-sweet apples though, it's absolutely delicious and I love it.
I've fasted a bunch of times, I used to fast naturally every once in a while when I was eating SAD, because sometimes my body would just feel like it didn't need food and I wouldn't feel hungry, so I wouldn't eat for a couple days. After starting raw, I've only fasted twice, the first time I did it to try and speed up the healing of my acne, and I felt so weak and exhausted from it I decided I wasn't going to do that again unless my body felt like it didn't need to eat. I think it might have just been because my body wasn't yet used to this raw diet, and that for two it wasn't a time that my body didn't need food, but a time it needed it more, so it wasn't working out good. The second time, however, was the other day while I've been sick, because whenever I ate anything at all I got diarrhea, or even when I didn't eat anything I was having diarrhea. I was afraid to eat anything at all so I didn't eat for a day and a half hoping that would help. I also didn't feel as weak or exhausted fasting this time, as I did last time, even though I'm sick this time.
I've never fasted more than 3 days though.
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Wolf, I did the cooked paleo diet for a whole year before raw. It did wonders for my acne. Its not as good as raw, but I think Kurite and others are right, getting rid of most wheat and grain will eradicate much acne.
Monogamous is very respectable and beautiful. I only want to be with one woman.
Well, I was getting frustrated because even when I completely eliminated wheat/grains for weeks, wasn't even eating any vegetables other than bean sprouts here and there, I was still getting acne. I mean, I did lose a lot of it, especially off my neck/shoulders/chest/back which was a still a huge relief, but I was still getting some on my face, and also the blemishes/spots left after zits are taking forever to heal, so my face still looks bad with like 50 spots all over it, even if I may only have 4 - 8 actual zits. I still always have about 3 - 5+ zits on my face at any given time, even while eating completely raw. But they are smaller now, don't last nearly as long, and don't seem to puff up and inflame or fill with pus nearly as much as they used to, (unless I eat off raw) but I am still constantly getting them. The spots are still everywhere though, and don't go away very fast at all, some lasting over a month.. especially if a new zit happens to pop up on top of them.. which, since new ones are still always popping up constantly, this happens a lot.
Monogamy is something I highly believe in, especially as I try to emulate the Wolf as much as I can. I am a virgin, a virgin by choice (for there have been many opportunities for me to lose it) and I shall remain a virgin until I am married. I have no desire to have sex with anyone other than the one man I wish to spend to rest of my entire life with.
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Well, I was getting frustrated because even when I completely eliminated wheat/grains for weeks, wasn't even eating any vegetables other than bean sprouts here and there, I was still getting acne. I mean, I did lose a lot of it, especially off my neck/shoulders/chest/back which was a still a huge relief, but I was still getting some on my face, and also the blemishes/spots left after zits are taking forever to heal, so my face still looks bad with like 50 spots all over it, even if I may only have 4 - 8 actual zits. I still always have about 3 - 5+ zits on my face at any given time, even while eating completely raw. But they are smaller now, don't last nearly as long, and don't seem to puff up and inflame or fill with pus nearly as much as they used to, (unless I eat off raw) but I am still constantly getting them. The spots are still everywhere though, and don't go away very fast at all, some lasting over a month.. especially if a new zit happens to pop up on top of them.. which, since new ones are still always popping up constantly, this happens a lot.
Monogamy is something I highly believe in, especially as I try to emulate the Wolf as much as I can. I am a virgin, a virgin by choice (for there have been many opportunities for me to lose it) and I shall remain a virgin until I am married. I have no desire to have sex with anyone other than the one man I wish to spend to rest of my entire life with.
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to wolf, raw paleolithic diet is not a magical diet that by one night you can see the changes. just try slowly where you don't need to punish youself do fasting. i'm way older than you and my entire life i know grain as my staple food. i quit eating grains and other disturbing food by one night. strong will power work for me. still my mom expect me to feed me rice and she is very health cautious woman. she cooks black wild rice and many times in my past she force to feed me (even i'm a married woman). it doesn't get in her head how to live without eating rice. she eats raw meat too. but her progress is barely visible (probably the age also). me and my son are already enjoying the good health.
positive attitude towards life also plays a key role. always have to be with the thought that i'll be cured from anything... you are such a bright pretty intelligent young woman and you will be the good example for other young girls' in this forum. wishing you all the best. :)
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Well, that's progress any way.
Smog certainly aggravates breathing difficulties but if it were the sole cause, why doesn't everyone who runs in smog hyperventilate? I know three people who used to use Px sinus sprays and appeared to get allergy attacks, sinus congestion and post nasal drip that were triggered by plants, animals and overexertion. Then when they eliminated wheat and went near-Paleo they were able to discard the sprays and now those other things rarely bother them and to a much lower extent. When I cut carbs down to VLC/ZC my sinuses cleared up even more than theirs.
Correct, I think I mentioned 3 potential triggers, with at least 5 different compounds suspected and likely many more.
In my case the acne didn't clear up completely until I got my diet down to raw meat, raw animal fat and water. Now I can handle a little bit of plant carbs once in a while--especially if I take a small amount of zinc the same day or the next. If I get a zit I take a full or 2x daily dose of zinc for a day or two to get rid of it. YMMV
Yeah, could the diarrhea and stomach pains have been related to the pizza?
I might get chewed out for saying it, but in my case rawness only seems to account for about 5% or less of my health benefits, though perhaps that will change over time.
I don't mean quit your job first--I mean ask discrete friends and family if they know of an opening, or don't eat the pizza, or sell the pizza, or _______.
8) Did you know that Dr. Robert Lustig and others have claimed that smoking has been found to be much less harmful if refined carbs are avoided? However, like any added complexity it adds an unknown amount of risk (could be zero, could be much more).
Hmmmm..., quite the coincidence.
Interesting, I've never noticed a connection with mine. I was never a big salt eater and actually add more salt to my food now than when I had acne. It doesn't appear to be providing any noticeable benefit either, though.
[qutoe]and for now I'm trying to go with a more Wai diet approach. Although, Wai said that it's just an increase from your normal intake of salt that will cause temporary acne,That doesn't match my case. Wheat and other plant carbs were the key triggers for me and raw red meat and zinc helped. I've replicated the results numerous times and can make zits appear (eat carbs) and disappear (eat a generous portion of red meat or take zinc) pretty much at will now.
Probably so.
Yes, it's progress, and I think exercising and working my lungs would only help it.
Perhaps I am sensitive to the smog? If diet only was the case, then why don't people who ate exactly the same as I did when I ate SAD also hyperventilate when they run? Or if wheat/grains/gluten is the case, then why doesn't the majority of Americans all hyperventilate when they run, since the majority eat a lot of wheat/grains/gluten?
When I run and start to hyperventilate, and I push myself, what I feel is a sharp, searing pain within my chest, within my lungs, every time I inhale. Each and every intake of breath then becomes painful, and it emanates throughout my entire body, and makes me feel physically ill. I feel sick and I don't want to move, my breathing becomes too rapid, which only increases the pain in my chest, I become irritated and yet unable to act on it because I cannot move or talk, only cough and gasp for air. My lungs feel like they want to burst and die, for that would surely be less painful than breathing.
Even when I am not running or doing anything, I could just be laying around in bed, especially on really smoggy days, if I take a really deep breath it causes a slight sharp pain in my chest, and I cannot hold the air any longer and I cough. When I am in a place with no smog, or on days when there is no smog (such as after a windy day), and I take a deep breath like that, I don't get the sharp pain in my lungs.
As for my acne, I'm sure there's far more than a mere 3 or 5 possible causes for it, for so far everything I have tried has done nothing to rid me of it entirely. Reduce, yes, very much so, but not eliminate completely. But the only way I'm going to figure out what causes mine is if I try every different variation of diet that I possibly can.
The diarrhea most certainly could have been related to the pizza, which is already my number one suspect of the cause, but I cannot know for absolutely sure what the exact cause was, and I am sure I will never know. All I can do for now is try my best to recover, and apparently raw animal foods seem to be the best solution, as they are the only things which have not made it worse, and I will never again mix raw foods with modern processed foods on the same day, nor swallow an entire piece of pizza whole(which I did to impress a guy, stupid I know but the heart is foolish, and that was the last ting I ate[accompanied with some fruit] before I got sick, so it is the most likely culprit I should think).
For finding a new job, not that I thought to quit before finding a new one, I would never do that, but this is the easiest and most stress-free job I've ever had that I'm making the most money in. Unless my friends or family know of a job where I can get paid about $16 an hour to sit around and do nothing more than maybe sort papers or other menial tasks with no rush and so no stress, and working with really cool people, then I'm not going to quit my job. Seeing how most of my friends and family are actually unemployed, and/or struggling to make money, I doubt they would reserve a job like that for me and not take it themselves, even if they did have another job already.
The smoking was only temporary, during a time of only a few months when I was depressed and stressed out, and hardly cared what I did to my body. I do not want to go back to that, for smoking caused far too many problems that I do not want again. Even if those problems would be eliminated by a grain-free diet, I'm sure it still does nothing to help my breathing problem that I already have.
And yes, my store burning down right after I was hired was quite the coincidence and made me feel bad like I was really bad luck or something.
And I don't know if salt would be something that exacerbates my acne or not, that's just what I read off of Wai, so now I am afraid of it as a possible cause--not the intake of salt itself, but the increase of salt intake from one's normal salt intake, which Wai stated as only a temporary cause. I don't see how plant carbs could be the only cause for my acne, seeing as how when I was not eating any plant foods whatsoever for a while, I was still getting acne. Also, while I've been sick, I went four days without eating any plant foods whatsoever, the first day I fasted, the second day I consumed only raw milk, raw butter, and raw salted cheese(in very small amounts), third day I consumed only the same butter and cheese(in very small amounts), and the fourth day I consumed 4 oz of raw organic grass-fed ground beef, the rest of the cheese and some butter, and the next day I woke up with new zits on my face. Not a single plant food was eaten or even licked or smelt for 4 days, and yet I still got new acne, so what could have been the cause? The protein in the meat? The fact that the meat was ground? The salt in the cheese? The hormones in the milk/dairy? The minerals in my Fiji water which is the only water I drink? Some dirt or dust on my face that clogged my pores? Old skin cells on my pillowcase? The chemicals from someone's perfume that I unwittingly inhaled? The smog in the air? I don't know.
I could probably not eat anything for a week and thoroughly wash my face every single day, and still get acne, it feels like to me.
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Talking about smog and smoking - if you live in smog - smoke weed its a great expectorant!
When I used to smoke to many cigs, weed has always helped me flush out the phlegm!
quote:
"Cannabis is the best natural expectorant to clear the human lungs of smog, dust, and the phlegm associated with tobacco use.
Marijuana smoke effectively dilates the airways of the lungs, the bronchi, opening them to allow more oxygen into the lungs. It is also the best natural dilator of the tiny airways of the lungs, the bronchial tubes—making cannabis the best overall bronchial dilator for 80% of the population (the remaining 20% sometimes show minor negative reactions).
(See section on asthma—a disease that closes these passages in spasms—UCLA Tashkin studies, 1969-95; U.S. Costa Rican, 1980-82; Jamaican studies 1968-74.)
Statistical evidence—showing up consistently as anomalies in matched populations—indicates that persons who smoke tobacco cigarettes are usually better off and will live longer if they smoke cannabis moderately, too. (Jamaican, Costa Rican studies.)
Millions of Americans have given up or avoided smoking tobacco products in favor of cannabis, which is not good news to the powerful tobacco lobby—Senator Jesse Helms and his cohorts. A turn of the century grandfather clause in U.S. tobacco law allows 400 to 6,000 additional chemicals to be added. Additions since then to the average tobacco cigarette are unknown, and the public in the U.S. has no right to know what they are.
Many joggers and marathon runners feel cannabis use cleans their lungs, allowing better endurance."
I will not smoke weed, I do not like anything which changes or alters your state of mind and the way you act and think. That is why I also do not drink alcohol whatsoever, never have and never will.
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The smog in the air? I don't know.
I could probably not eat anything for a week and thoroughly wash my face every single day, and still get acne, it feels like to me.
I've seen it help reduce acne on people when they stop washing their faces.
I used to get acne very easily. I did wash my face every day. I didn't try stopping washing on myself. One of the things that helped get rid of acne for me was getting BioSET done. When I passed the interstitial fluid level of the BioSET treatments, my acne went away immediately, so that it didn't matter anymore what I ate, from what I could tell.
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When I run and start to hyperventilate, and I push myself, what I feel is a sharp, searing pain within my chest, within my lungs, every time I inhale. Each and every intake of breath then becomes painful, and it emanates throughout my entire body, and makes me feel physically ill. I feel sick and I don't want to move, my breathing becomes too rapid, which only increases the pain in my chest, I become irritated and yet unable to act on it because I cannot move or talk, only cough and gasp for air. My lungs feel like they want to burst and die, for that would surely be less painful than breathing.
Do you eat raw white meat, not marinated, not pre-frozen? Raw meat helps my lungs and breathing, and raw white meat helps me be calm, as I was not calm as I like to be before. Marinated meats don't give me the same effects.
The smoking was only temporary, during a time of only a few months when I was depressed and stressed out, and hardly cared what I did to my body. I do not want to go back to that, for smoking caused far too many problems that I do not want again.
I tried smoking. I felt bad, so I smoked, and when I smoked, I felt nothing. I preferred feeling nothing sometimes. I like feeling though, so I don't smoke at all. I think smoking is bad for people with acne. I think they have more blackheads and such, the ones that smoke.
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Many joggers and marathon runners feel cannabis use cleans their lungs, allowing better endurance.
I call bull on this. I've run or jogged with plenty of pot smokers, including my wife, and it definitely impacts their performance negatively.
You can rationalize the benefits of pot in plenty of areas but increasing the ability of your lungs by breathing in smoke is not going to be one of them.
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I call bull on this. I've run or jogged with plenty of pot smokers, including my wife, and it definitely impacts their performance negatively.
You can rationalize the benefits of pot in plenty of areas but increasing the ability of your lungs by breathing in smoke is not going to be one of them.
agreed. I love smoking pot, but I am under no illusions that it does anything genuinely good to my body. Perhaps if I ate it, but it is the whole ritual of skinning up et all. that appeals to me.
Why try to rationalize it? There is a reason it is called "dope". The very same reason that I smoke it. True, it can help people suffering from all kinds of ails and you can make anything from paper to airplanes with it, but those are none of my personal reasons for getting hold of it.
Interresting fact about smog here from Denmark. it is more dangerous to your health running around the lakes in copenhagen than smoking a pack of cigs a day (not that I recommend that mind you).
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to wolf, raw paleolithic diet is not a magical diet that by one night you can see the changes. just try slowly where you don't need to punish youself do fasting. i'm way older than you and my entire life i know grain as my staple food. i quit eating grains and other disturbing food by one night. strong will power work for me. still my mom expect me to feed me rice and she is very health cautious woman. she cooks black wild rice and many times in my past she force to feed me (even i'm a married woman). it doesn't get in her head how to live without eating rice. she eats raw meat too. but her progress is barely visible (probably the age also). me and my son are already enjoying the good health.
positive attitude towards life also plays a key role. always have to be with the thought that i'll be cured from anything... you are such a bright pretty intelligent young woman and you will be the good example for other young girls' in this forum. wishing you all the best. :)
I know it won't happen overnight, I was patient at first because my acne seemed to be progressively disappearing, starting with no more acne on my neck/shoulders/chest/back and then slowly clearing up from my face, but then it seemed to hit a dead end and stop, with no more progression for weeks.
I'm sorry she tries to force you to eat rice.
Thank you though.
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I've seen it help reduce acne on people when they stop washing their faces.
I used to get acne very easily. I did wash my face every day. I didn't try stopping washing on myself. One of the things that helped get rid of acne for me was getting BioSET done. When I passed the interstitial fluid level of the BioSET treatments, my acne went away immediately, so that it didn't matter anymore what I ate, from what I could tell.
I rarely ever wash my face. I never did all my life, and people would say that's probably why I got acne.
what the heck is bioset?
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Do you eat raw white meat, not marinated, not pre-frozen? Raw meat helps my lungs and breathing, and raw white meat helps me be calm, as I was not calm as I like to be before. Marinated meats don't give me the same effects.
I tried smoking. I felt bad, so I smoked, and when I smoked, I felt nothing. I preferred feeling nothing sometimes. I like feeling though, so I don't smoke at all. I think smoking is bad for people with acne. I think they have more blackheads and such, the ones that smoke.
I'm afraid to eat raw chicken, and I don't much like poultry anyways.. never tried raw white meat. My raw beef is unmarinated as far as I know, dunno if it's ever been frozen or not though, probably has.
I only smoked for a little while, I didn't like it, did it to be social and also to relax from the stress from work though.
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People here are gently trying to say NO to DOPE.
One of my teachers has a more DIRECT opinion about dope facts for those who care to read his hard core opinion
http://www.curemanual.com/2010/09/barefoot-herbalist-mh-gives-his-honest-opinion-on-marijuana-and-all-kinds-of-drugs-and-dope/
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I rarely ever wash my face. I never did all my life, and people would say that's probably why I got acne.
what the heck is bioset?
Washing your face definately does help. All I do is before going to sleep is take two cotton swabs. Soak one in water and clean your face than put witch hazel on the second and clean your face with that. Then just let your face dry. It helps a lot.
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Washing my face or body never helped with my acne. As a matter of fact, a common contradictory advice is to not inflame the acne by washing too much or using harsh soaps. I tried witch hazel and it didn't help either, though an astringent liquid that contained salicylic acid and witch hazel helped a wee bit, but I think it was the active ingredient of salicylic acid that helped, because that would help on its own, whereas witch hazel didn't.
I tried pretty much everything before I finally discovered that cutting out gluten and carbs cleared it up. The second most effective thing for me was zinc, (though it only helped after I cut out the gluten), so it seems that addressing certain nutrient deficiencies may be helpful.
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K... you want a some nice idea for face care when you have acne or are recovering from it and have some scarring and bumpiness.... take raw egg yolks, whisk them with a whisker till frothy, apply the frothy egg white stuff on you face (not close to your eyelid though, of and make sure face is clean before you do this), wait for it to dry and keep it on till your face feels super tight, as long as can or want actually....then wash it off with cool water, carefully dry face....then take raw egg yolks, do a mask with the egg yolk, wait for it to get really dry and tight, then carefully wash it off, take care cause it will really tighten your skin.
The egg whites bleach off the scars and dry out pimples, plus take out blackheads, the egg yolks nourish and put moisture back into your skin!
This is literally the only thing that worked when I used to have acne!
And you also want to get a natural cream and add DMEA powder to it which will rejuvenate damaged skin :o
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I rarely ever wash my face. I never did all my life, and people would say that's probably why I got acne.
what the heck is bioset?
This is the lady that created it: http://www.drellencutler.com/pages/practitioners/ (http://www.drellencutler.com/pages/practitioners/)
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When I did start washing my face more, it didn't seem to do much to help clear up my acne. Changing to raw helped a lot more.
Might try the egg thing, though I don't like to waste my eggs on stuff like that, I'd rather eat them.. but I might try it when I have a day off and don't have to be anywhere or see anyone so I can leave the stuff on my face forever. Might not be for a while though, since I have work and school everyday, and when I'm not doing those things I'm usually with someone.
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The two worst things for me in regards to acne were foods containing processed sugar and milk.Once I gave those up...voila! Clear skin.
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The two worst things for me in regards to acne were foods containing processed sugar and milk.Once I gave those up...voila! Clear skin.
I gave both of those up too, but I still got acne.
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Another thing that helps existing acne (and somewhat stops more from coming) is Tea Tree oil, its very antibacterial...
Just put a couple drops on a napkin and dab the affected area...careful not to get it close to your eyes though if it gets in your eye it can be disastrous.
I also once got Athlete's foot from going barefoot in dirty public shower (dumb!) and cured it very quickly with just Tea Tree oil. It's great stuff skin infections.
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Another thing that helps existing acne (and somewhat stops more from coming) is Tea Tree oil, its very antibacterial...
Just put a couple drops on a napkin and dab the affected area...careful not to get it close to your eyes though if it gets in your eye it can be disastrous.
I also once got Athlete's foot from going barefoot in dirty public shower (dumb!) and cured it very quickly with just Tea Tree oil. It's great stuff skin infections.
You shouldn't use tea tree oil straight. Use it diluted 50/50 with water. I stopped using it because it dried out my skin although it did help with acne. It also contains some type of estrogen like substance that your body confuses with actual estrogen.
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Hmmm, I think the way your skin reacts to tea tree oil depends on the person...I use it straight 100% w/o problems, never dries my skin or burns it, just a nice tingle feeling, maybe I am just not sensitive to it...if I ever have a pimple I dowse it in straight tea tree oil and by next day its reduced to almost nothing. I am even able to apply it to my whole face and after it absorbs my skin has a nice healthy glow to it (when I do I put it all over my face, once a week, I apply a cream containing vitamin E after the tea tree oil has absorbed).
If you are not sensitive to tea tree oil it is an amazing skin cleanser.
That and the raw egg masks are the only two topical treatments I ever found to work on my own skin type, I tried witch hazel and many other things and they had no effects on me whatsoever -\
Obviously one should try a little first to see how they react to it, I heard that tea tree oil cause some people to have red spots where the acne was, for me it causes any spots to clear up completely, how weird, everyone has their own sensitivities especially when it comes to skin
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Hm, but then I have to buy an entire bottle of tea tree oil just to try out a few drops? What if it doesn't work then, any only makes things worse? Then I wasted money on the tea tree oil for nothing..
I wish you could just buy samples of things sometimes, instead of wasting your money on buying a whole package and finding out it doesn't work/you dont like it.
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If you ask at the stores that sell them, they might let you try a sample.
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Heavy weight is big problem for many people. There are many ways to lose weight like do exercise and yoga in early morning, Eat light weight food, Drink more water, Reduce stress and so on.