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Title: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: majormark on August 14, 2010, 04:17:09 pm

Hey,

Let's create a Raw Paleo collaborative book.

It could be the first thing a newbie could read and it would save a lot of repeated Q&As.
Also it could serve as a centralized wiki that gathers all our common ideas in a structured way so that we can all quickly revise them, refine them, etc.

Write here your ideas about how it should be formed, which chapters to include or whatever you think it could be useful.

Here is my quick suggestion for a chapter listing:
0. Preface (why the book was written, research methods)
1. Introduction (brief description of RPD, how it came to be, story)
2. Cooked vs raw arguments
3. Why Neolithic foods are bad for us
4. Different RPD flavors
5. Food storage, best practices
6. Food combining and mono-eating
7. General guidelines about certain foods
8. Warnings about certain foods
9. Action plans and important notes
10. RPD Recipes (with pics!)
12. The Raw Paleo lifestyle (advice on how to deal with society etc)
# Appendix
# Glossary
# Resources
# Bibliography
Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: Josh on August 14, 2010, 05:27:28 pm
Good idea. There's a lot of information on here but it's hard to find, and every newbie seems to reinvent the wheel with their questions.

Maybe not a book though...just a long faq?
Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: TylerDurden on August 14, 2010, 05:28:40 pm
I have already tried to do address some of the subjects raised above, among others,  on rawpaleodiet.com(re cooked vs raw arguments/raw food myths etc.) but haven't had time to deal with them all and gotten bogged down with other matters. Unfortunately, I am the only one currently interested in adding new articles to rawpaleodiet.com. I would far rather have others helping out as well.
Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: dsohei on August 14, 2010, 05:30:47 pm
so delegate! :)
Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: TylerDurden on August 14, 2010, 05:36:39 pm
I tried, the ones who offered didn't come through.
Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: majormark on August 14, 2010, 07:07:58 pm
This book can easily be done in a collaborative way and it does not have to be 10000 pages long, covering all aspects of human history. It is intended to capture the essence of RPD so that a newbie does not need to browse through endless topics to find the basic stuff.

All we have to do is each pick a chapter and at least make a short sketch of it. I mean just the principal ideas and a short description. Next we can develop them and put them together in a meaningful way.

If you have just an idea that you think should go into any of the listed chapters, just write it here and we could integrate it. Have you seen the movie Inception? :).

So, who wants to pick a chapter, there is a limited stock offered  ;).

I'll pick the Preface.


PS: we can use Google Docs to centralize these ideas.
PS2: I was thinking of a catchy title, like "RPD The Forgotten Secrets"  :)

Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: raw-al on August 14, 2010, 09:28:03 pm
Why not attach this thread to the beginning of the thread list as a permanent feature (I think it is called a stickie).

Sounds like a great way to keep the forum on topic also. Having said that newbie questions are often the best as that is what wuffos ask.
Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: majormark on August 14, 2010, 11:35:32 pm
Good idea with the sticky topic. Will someone make it sticky?

I created 3 public documents for the book (anyone can edit):

# Main collaborative document
http://tinyurl.com/26hakjg

# Chapter Owners (complete your username)
http://tinyurl.com/2dza852

# Additional Suggestions document
http://tinyurl.com/28wzc5d

It would be great if the links would be in the first post as well.
Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: ezekiel on August 14, 2010, 11:52:43 pm
I wouldn't mind helping.   :)
Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: PaleoPhil on August 15, 2010, 06:19:39 am
Good work, Majormark. I had the same thought after I encountered a collaborative e-book created by a forum some time ago, but I feel like I still have more to learn before I can write much of a book, but maybe I could contribute some.

The food combining / mono eating chapter should probably mention that it's a controversial idea within raw Paleo circles. From what I've seen, those concepts seem mostly like bunk from the Natural Hygiene, vegetarian, and raw vegan movements, though I'm open to any hard evidence someone might provide.

If I contribute anything I'd like to keep the right to also use it in my potential future book.
Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: majormark on August 15, 2010, 06:59:13 pm
PaleoPhil,

Everything you contribute will be acknowledged. We will have a list of authors in Chapter Owners and we can extend that to include paragraph owners too.

I would like the book be available to all though.

I wouldn't mind helping.   :)

Pick a chapter and let's go. ;)

Maybe we can exchange ideas over chat. We have to schedule a specific time because of the timezone difference.
Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: TylerDurden on August 15, 2010, 07:01:55 pm
If this were turned into a RVAF diet wiki, it might be very useful indeed. Hope it gets going.
Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: raw-al on August 15, 2010, 08:18:59 pm
If this were turned into a RVAF diet wiki, it might be very useful indeed. Hope it gets going.

Excellent idea. Get to Wiki before some wacky myth buster type does  ;D

The difficulty with Wiki is that any numbnuts with a keyboard can post what they want or revise at their leisure. I call it Wackipedia.

Once I had a link to a study on Iatrogenic disorders (doctor/nurse/medical system mistakes created illness) posted on a site. Next time I looked at the published studies, somebody (obviously a person with something to hide, probably a doctor or a consultant working for a doctor) had gone in and eliminated a lot of the data and wording, so you have to be careful and monitor it word by word.

Nobody monitors anything on Wiki. It's wide open. It's like a big rumour mill. Sure you have to give your name or supposedly your name when you post, but nobody reads the name of the revisor and that's easy to falsify anyhow.

Heck go in and make one on yourself and tell the world what a hero you are... ;)
Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: djr_81 on August 15, 2010, 08:26:37 pm
Excellent idea. Get to Wiki before some wacky myth buster type does  ;D

The difficulty with Wiki is that any numbnuts with a keyboard can post what they want or revise at their leisure. I call it Wackipedia.

Once I had a link to a study on Iatrogenic disorders (doctor/nurse/medical system mistakes created illness) posted on a site. Next time I looked at the published studies, somebody (obviously a person with something to hide, probably a doctor or a consultant working for a doctor) had gone in and eliminated a lot of the data and wording, so you have to be careful and monitor it word by word.

Nobody monitors anything on Wiki. It's wide open. It's like a big rumour mill. Sure you have to give your name or supposedly your name when you post, but nobody reads the name of the revisor and that's easy to falsify anyhow.

Heck go in and make one on yourself and tell the world what a hero you are... ;)
We can make a wiki which is not hosted on the Wikipedia page. It would be a similar set of connected pages to a Wikipedia wiki but hosted and controlled by real RPDers. :)
Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: raw-al on August 15, 2010, 08:35:21 pm
We can make a wiki which is not hosted on the Wikipedia page. It would be a similar set of connected pages to a Wikipedia wiki but hosted and controlled by real RPDers. :)
Excellent! So to clarify are you saying that you make up the page(s) and put a link to that page on a Wiki page so when you Wiki "RPD" you actually get the version that we have created that looks like a regular Wiki page? However it is like a "Locked PDF file" in that you have control over revisions?
Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: PaleoPhil on August 16, 2010, 12:18:11 am
OK, I could contribute something to "4. Different RPD flavors" on the carnivore flavors of RPD. First I'll do a poll thread to see if people are actually doing the various flavors--facultative/modified carnivore, obligate carnivore, Zero Carb.

I also could contribute something to a chapter that I'm planning on including in my book--tentatively titled "The Creatures Within Us" (meaning bacteria, parasites, fungi, symbionts, mitochondria). I figure Tyler would also have something to contribute to such a chapter, and he can suggest a better title if he'd like.

I'm not big on chat. I tend to come up with better stuff when I have time to think and research, as with forums and email--maybe because I'm an oldy who grew up in a pre-chat era. :)
Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: Parker Reid on September 10, 2010, 01:41:42 am
I would love to design the cover and format.
Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: donrad on October 04, 2010, 09:05:29 am
What is nice about Wiki is that you can't just say something without giving references to support your position.

I like the RPF format in that it is a bunch of people just sharing their experiences. But a published book needs to withstand the critics by not being biased. Contraversial ideas should give links to both arguments.

It takes of lot of time researching. You may want to break the chapters down into subtopics that people can write about who have expertise in that particular area and can prove it.

Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: irenekrey on October 05, 2010, 03:33:44 pm
The topic on raw versus cooked is highly talked about one. Providing expert testimonials could be added as well here or some quotations proving this and that.

Great work overall on the topics covered! :)
Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: PaleoPhil on November 02, 2010, 07:04:54 am
This book doesn't seem to have taken off anyway, but I removed my handle from the assignments because I changed my mind about doing it. I'd rather not be associated with some of the views promoted at this forum, especially recently, and I don't like the idea that my handle would be associated with text I have no control over. Sorry. Good luck with it.
Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: majormark on November 23, 2010, 08:47:39 pm
I think the reason it has not spark too much interest yet is because it seems like too big a task for the moment. I could try to split each chapter into little bits of ideas and expand from there.

Another solution is to pay someone else to aggregate the huge amounts of info in this forum (this forum generates 500+ posts per week). I was thinking of Elance, but I'm not sure I'll be pleased with the results. There is also the risk that a nonpaleo eating person may involuntarily insert their own preconceptions into the mix.

A working "advanced search" function would be of great help too!
Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: TylerDurden on November 23, 2010, 09:20:26 pm
I think the reason it has not spark too much interest yet is because it seems like too big a task for the moment. I could try to split each chapter into little bits of ideas and expand from there.

Another solution is to pay someone else to aggregate the huge amounts of info in this forum (this forum generates 500+ posts per week). I was thinking of Elance, but I'm not sure I'll be pleased with the results. There is also the risk that a nonpaleo eating person may involuntarily insert their own preconceptions into the mix.

A working "advanced search" function would be of great help too!

Paying some nonrawpalaeo person to do it, would be a bad idea as genuine RPDers know most of the issues that need to be addressed once they've read enough posts on rawpaleoforum.

I am afraid that the real problem is that the Internet makes us humans shorten our attention-span considerably. I mean, I have ended up being the main contributor to rawpaleodiet.com, despite asking others to contribute, and that was only because I pushed myself for a time.

I should add that a number of articles I have already added to rawpaleodiet.com already cover some of the subjects that you mentioned in that 1st post.  I am sure that some details need to be added or changed and would appreciate it if people could post short sentences in the suggestions box as to how to improve that site. I even asked people to correct any spelling-mistakes/grammar-errors, some time back, but no one replied.
Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: TylerDurden on November 23, 2010, 09:20:57 pm
A good search function would indeed be useful as well.
Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: yuli on November 23, 2010, 10:39:00 pm
Why not make an online book of articles that only certain people can add or edit?
Why not use WordPress engine for it it has search and a million of other plugins and its free.
Blog type websites are very popular with everyone these days, they are easy to search and browse plus people can comment on articles.
For example http://www.marksdailyapple.com/ uses Wordpress, it a pretty nice site..
I can customize the Wordpress, make it look good, if you guys need.
Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: majormark on November 24, 2010, 09:30:34 pm
Interesting, I see WP has a nice revision control system too, but we should not rush in with different structures atm. The more important thing is getting enough interest for the raw work.

Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: yuli on November 24, 2010, 10:13:04 pm
Interesting, I see WP has a nice revision control system too, but we should not rush in with different structures atm. The more important thing is getting enough interest for the raw work.

Of course, the "meat & potatoes" of it is getting good content in there.
But if the site looks good, easy to navigate, and if it looks professional, that will generate higher interest as well not to mention will be enjoyable to browse and use. So both aspects I think are important, they are two separate things that will play a major part.
The way WordPress allows to classify articles by tags & categories makes them easy to search through.

Once you guys have enough content organized we should set up a WordPress "test site" and see if it functions smoothly before making it live. I can help with making the site look great visually, I don't mind offering free work for something like this as I think its a neat project.  :)
Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: Adora on November 13, 2011, 08:56:24 am
That sounds great it is over my head, but I wish it existed, and I would contribute grunt work.
Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: billy4184 on November 13, 2011, 02:38:53 pm
Hi,
Sounds great, but then I don't think everyone really agrees on what the paleo diet consists of. However, an information source on why raw fruit, vegetables and meat are better than cooked counterparts would probably go a long way toward resolving initial questions. I would definitely help out.
Cheers
Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: PaleoPhil on November 14, 2011, 07:31:49 am
Yeah, I don't think we could write a book focusing on the fundamentals of raw Paleo that everyone would agree on. I noticed that another forum book that had a small amount of popularity was composed of each person's individual stories, which would be basically the same thing as the success stories at the main raw Paleo website. So one possibility would be to ask more people to submit their success stories and then stick them in an ebook, with a short introduction that could touch on the fundamentals and note that there are disagreements.

I submitted a success story at another forum that I could update for this purpose. However, my approach is still a work in progress, so the story may change in the future, as it has since I wrote that testimonial. I'd rather wait until the level of success is near complete and my approach is more firmly set.
Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: billy4184 on November 14, 2011, 01:54:10 pm
I noticed that another forum book that had a small amount of popularity was composed of each person's individual stories, which would be basically the same thing as the success stories at the main raw Paleo website. So one possibility would be to ask more people to submit their success stories and then stick them in an ebook, with a short introduction that could touch on the fundamentals and note that there are disagreements.

I really like that idea. If each person were given a few pages to relate their experiences, and clarify the particular characteristics of their diet, I think it would be very handy for everyone.
I too, have not diversified my experiences as much as I would like to much. But if I stuck to the most recent dietary change, and everything relevant to that, it could work out nicely I think.
Cheers
Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: Fermenter Zym on December 24, 2011, 11:59:02 am
If this diet does remarkable things for my health over time I'll probably end up making a self-published zine about it. If that progresses, I'll make sure to let you all know and ask for input.
Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: MarkC on January 16, 2012, 11:48:07 pm
Here's a link to a very interesting article, "Nature and Variability of Human Food Consumption", by D.A.T. Southgate.

http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/334/1270/281.full.pdf (http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/334/1270/281.full.pdf)

Could be useful material for the book?
Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: MarkC on January 16, 2012, 11:50:03 pm
The book will probably want to have section on resources, as does the rawpaleodiet.com website. Another useful resource for those of us in the UK is: http://www.naturalfoodfinder.co.uk (http://www.naturalfoodfinder.co.uk)

Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: LePatron7 on February 20, 2012, 01:36:30 am
I like the healing power of raw paleo.

Eating like this has healed me from every bad thing I've ever done, I want to share it with everyone who wants to eat like this.

I have scars on my fingers, I got punched in my mouth once. Its incredible how I even smoke and drink and my body just keeps on cleaning itself.

All we should do is share this way of eating with the world that wants it. My body continually heals, faster, and faster.

It just heals, heals, and heals more.

Some things I do to keep healing is I relax.

Eat raw.

Lots of seeds.

Beef from publix, target - depending on budget.

Whole foods grass fed meats.

Specific carbohydrate diet for fruits and veggies.

Lots of apricot seeds and peach seeds.

I slip and eat wrong on occasion. But I never beat myself up over it.
Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: CitrusHigh on March 16, 2012, 07:13:53 am
How many times have you read or heard, "scholars disagree about xyz..." That is what you would do here with a collaborative book. A good preface to begin with so everyone is aware of diverging opinions in the book. We can still put together a very basic book, at the very least of the technical side... How to choose meat, eggs, milk, fruits, veggies. Animals on their natural diet vs. Animals on modern agri-foods and drugs. The basics of the philosophy behind raw animal foods. Biophotons. Etc. There is plenty that can be said, and where we can't comment, we just don't, or we explain the difficulty with the matter. You're going to have to preface it also with "everyone is different and though much of this informations is true for a lot of the population and for many at RPDF, it may not be true for you. Health is a journey for everyone and you have to be responsible for finding the foods that suit your body." Or something to that effect. Trust.
Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: PaleoPhil on March 16, 2012, 08:49:38 am
I agree about the tendency toward disagreement on any important topic and thus I think the emphasis would best be on individual success stories, with before and after photos of those that look good. I don't think my story is quite good enough yet. If someone wanted to talk about stuff like biophotons, they could do it in their stories, and they could also list their favorite foods and then let people decide for themselves which foods they want to try. The more topics and content in the introduction, the more chance for disagreement. We can't even get full agreement on what constitutes raw Paleo in this forum.
Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: CitrusHigh on March 17, 2012, 09:25:06 am
Sure but like I said, the technical side, ie implementation isn't up for discussion. Delineating the different methods of storage, or what to look for in meat considered to be healthful.  We all agree animals on their natural diets have better nutrient profiles. Whether glass is less healthy than plastic is not an issue, you just give the facts, chemicals are known to leech from plastic, glass is inert. Stick to things we DO know. We can talk about what various chemicals do when they get in to the body. Sources of toxins. Enzymes, bacteria, phages, fungi. What happens to foods during the cooking process. Importance of minerals, vitamins. What is wrong with conventional farming. Why the medical field is so fucked. Where the bad science came from in the first place.  Germ theory vs toxicity theory. So much to write about without having to worry about major disagreements.  Besides, the forum itself is setup to account for divergences in opinion. That is why there are separate sections for Raw WAP, Primal diet, etc.

Obviously 100% of the population is not going to agree on everything anywhere anytime. But there is plenty of topic to cover. Like Jessica says, more important to be practical and get something done than just hem and haw because it's not perfect from the start. Get some shit down on paper and then it will take on a life of it's own as it is molded and revised.
Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: PaleoPhil on March 17, 2012, 09:34:35 am
Sure, go right ahead.
Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: LePatron7 on October 15, 2012, 10:06:44 pm
I like the idea of making a wordpress.

I also like the idea of us being able to put individual testimonies, as many of ours diets are different. I for one would like to mention the ease of absorption of a raw-scd diet.

However I think there's general things we can all agree on. Like sourcing healthy animals, antibiotic, hormone free, etc. Taking preference to organic produce. The two being better for health and the environment, and more humane to the animals.

AGE's, HCA's, and other heat created toxins should be mentioned.

I think we should start with the word press, and as to not be "overwhelmed" by the amount of work we could just add one blog per week.

We could start with a "what is the raw paleo diet" blog post. Which explains how its an all raw diet, with various forms. Primal, instincto, WAI, raw weston price, carnivorous. And it could explain a little about each, but clearly show they all have a common theme, raw foods.

We really need to make this "take off." Its been in discussion for a while.
Title: Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
Post by: Wolf on November 02, 2012, 09:00:00 am
I agree with Thoth.. I was going to say, if you guys write a book, the first things you should emphasize are that everyone is different, some people might do better on a pure carnivore diet while others do better on an omnivore diet, and say that they really need to listen to their own body more than what anyone else tells them, and that they'll probably need to experiment a lot with different foods to find out what is right for them.  And then stick to more of the "factual" things than the more opinionated things.. and everything would need to be backed up by research to be truly convincing.

Also, you can create a website separate from Wikipedia that just uses the same format as wikipedia.  There's lots of separate wikis for specific things like games, or like bulbapedia is a pokemon wiki, but they aren't part of wikipedia.  You could always make a rawpaleodietwiki.com using wiki format that RPDers can go to that isn't a part of wikipedia at all.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Main_Page (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Main_Page)
Here is bulbapedia, it looks just like wikipedia but it only has things about pokemon on it.