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Title: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: ster546464@yahoo.co.uk on October 11, 2010, 11:46:15 pm
Someone said about the weston price book that he mentioned that homosexuality could be caused by a nutritional deficiency

Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: TylerDurden on October 11, 2010, 11:53:35 pm
I don`t recall it in his books, but I don`t have them over here, right now. I know that the WAPF were suggesting that soy consumption  caused homosexuality or some such nonsense.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: goodsamaritan on October 12, 2010, 03:59:32 am
Someone said about the weston price book that he mentioned that homosexuality could be caused by a nutritional deficiency



Homosexuality was observed by POTTENGER in his cat degeneration experiments.
The cooked food cats degenerated to a point they could not reproduce the next generation anymore, homosexuality included.
The experiment ended because the cooked cats' blood line died off.

There is a separate Price-Pottenger foundation I think.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: TylerDurden on October 12, 2010, 04:12:20 am
All nonsense. Others like Pottenger have claimed that things like masturbation or homosexuality did not exist among wild animals, and were duly proven wrong.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: KD on October 12, 2010, 11:26:44 am
yeah, I posted this link before on this subject.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/04/magazine/04animals-t.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

I recommend reading the entire article, yet on page one it states there are over 450 species of observed homosexual behavior in wild animals. Not just animals fu#^ing for nothing else better to do, but lifetime companionship in many cases. Just another instance of people trying to blame shit on society/government etc...without actually looking at blatant facts.

The Pottenger experiments 'prove' that cooked food produces degeneration in felines. the very word broken down is de - gene. which means that genetics either break down/shift etc under certain circumstances but that the genes must be there to begin with. The very nature of the experiment 'proves' that these things are genetic as one can alter hormones and similar internal functions through environment/diet, it can't change such fundamental programs any more than it can turn a white person black or male into a female. Only someone that already viewed homosexuality as a negative - when it is a neutral in nature - will assume that the homosexual activities would be a creation of poor health in the experiments. It may be true that many diseases of civilization are that of diet when incorrectly labeled 'genetic', however there are next to no cases of homosexuality ever occurring later in life in the same way as ANY modern ailment that factors in genes. The only people who would argue otherwise, are in total denial themselves about their homosexuality or in others needing to blame -again- society for "turning people gay".
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: donrad on October 18, 2010, 12:59:20 pm
The "Pottingers Cats" book described how the processed food diet caused a decrease in secondary sex charisteristics in the cats. The males hung out with the males and had no interest in the femails. Normal sexual appearance traits disappeared. The femails could no longer bear children. The book even makes comparisons to humans and shows pictures of young adults from behind. Doctors could not tell the difference between the boys and girls. The girls are losing their hip structure necessary for childbirth.

Price went into detail about how easy it was for indigenous women to give birth in the US Pacific Northwest. In the same populations on western diets the women now need hospitalization and the death rate has increased.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: ster546464@yahoo.co.uk on November 11, 2010, 12:03:26 am
From personal experience

I definitely feel there is a correlation between

veganism
homosexuality
drinking coffee
left wing politics
pro mass immigration
political correctness

I feel like these people have no sense of identity or connection to the land so they don't care about destroying other people's national identity.

Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: KD on November 11, 2010, 12:07:49 am
Elton John doesn't have a sense of identity?
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: Brother on November 11, 2010, 03:01:18 am
Drinking coffee?
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: wodgina on November 11, 2010, 04:23:41 am
Elton John doesn't have a sense of identity?

LOL

I think ster46565 has been reading SWPL blogs
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: Raw Kyle on November 11, 2010, 09:50:11 am
Anecdotally I see a connection between vegetarianism and homosexuality and left wing politics. In particular I was personally most left wing when I was vegan, and had the least amount of secondary male sex characteristics (less muscle).

To answer the original question I don't remember Weston Price talking about homosexuality at all, and I read every word of the book. He did mention a higher moral character I think in those Hebrides islands of the people who ate the traditional foods, stuff like going to church and not spending much time in pubs. To a person of the 1930's homosexuality would be considered of low moral character, so he could have been alluding to it.

Whether homosexuality is caused or influenced by nutrition I think is irrelevant because it's not a "problem" the way disease is a "problem." Maybe if >50% of a nations population was homosexual you could start to get into a problem for reproduction, but it seems to me that the homosexual population is fairly stable and has existed since historically recorded time.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: Brother on November 11, 2010, 09:46:42 pm
Anecdotally I see a connection between vegetarianism and homosexuality and left wing politics.

I have made the same observation.

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Whether homosexuality is caused or influenced by nutrition I think is irrelevant because it's not a "problem" the way disease is a "problem." Maybe if >50% of a nations population was homosexual you could start to get into a problem for reproduction, but it seems to me that the homosexual population is fairly stable and has existed since historically recorded time.

Here you get to the meat and potatoes of our cultural view on homosexuality. Fertility cult. If you dont breed, you are useless. Do anyone know how common homosexual behaviour is among animals in nature? Take into account that "humping" between animals (regardless of species) is not a sexual act, but one of domination.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPVxCznfooI
*Fuck you! Im top Bunny here!

This is often misunderstood by well meaning apologists. Any actual homosexual behaviour documented? IMO homosexuality is not a problem, but I personally believe that it is a fetish.

Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: KD on November 12, 2010, 02:01:41 am
hmm, not criticizing anyone specifically here except Mr. Identity perhaps. but I'm usually bothered when the same people that criticize the control and portrayals of mass media, have assumptions about people that are based on some type of mass media and fairly limited experience.

I havn't heard it much recently, but years ago it was a pretty common statement by single women to insist that all the attractive, successful, square jawed, Men's Health -looking bachelors were gay, and that all the soft slovenly remainders chowing down fried vegetable oils and unfermented dough were strait as a line. Going by Weston Price's research on physical observations alone, I suspect problems with this theory, and this also seems pretty a ridiculous probability of being reminiscent of Pottenger's cats.

If people are going on the visualizations of TV depicting people sitting around drinking Frappuccino while their housekeepers steal 2$ hour jobs from average Americans, there obviously is a disconnect from reality here. There are plenty of such gay alphas listed above work on Wall Street and are at least fiscally conservative politically. They arn't all rolling their eyes at you for your selection at the video store and cosmetics counter. The same alienation of gays by conservatives seems conclusive information enough as to why people have left wing leanings, even though as though I hear that even gays as they become more successful and suburbanized like other minority groups tend to become more conservative. I mean, why would you want to associate with anything that says your very being is wrong, or that you need to do X  Y and Z to fix yourself? Sounds kind of the opposite of the whole liberty thing. In addition many of the most masculine role models/historical figures (Alexander the Great) have turned out to be homosexual, and many people in power families have homosexual progeny i.e. Anderson Cooper.

As for veganism and left wing, if you are talking again of San Fransisco residents who enjoy lattes, horned rimmed glasses, and SLT's I would agree, but a huge percentage of raw vegans support Ron Paul as well as others of limited interference government as well as Natural Hygiene being under the exact belief except of ANYTHING non raw-vegetarianism producing homosexual tendencies, to the point that fasting and monofruits diets are seen as 'cures'.

Whether homosexuality is caused or influenced by nutrition I think is irrelevant because it's not a "problem" the way disease is a "problem." Maybe if >50% of a nations population was homosexual you could start to get into a problem for reproduction, but it seems to me that the homosexual population is fairly stable and has existed since historically recorded time.

True but the problem is that if someone sees people and their opinions as less than equal because of a opinion based on false facts. I mean, they don't need to truly be threatened or concerned with their overtaking of the population, even tho you hear this all the time as well regarding education and media too.


Here you get to the meat and potatoes of our cultural view on homosexuality. Fertility cult. If you dont breed, you are useless. Do anyone know how common homosexual behavior is among animals in nature? Take into account that "humping" between animals (regardless of species) is not a sexual act, but one of domination.


The existence of homosexual animals (animals that actually co-habitate as well as 'copulate'), and the well documented presence of homosexuals far prior to at least the dangerous modern foods associate by some to cause homosexuality - are significant enough (like monogamy :) ) to know for certain its not completely correlated to nutrition and certainly not modern nutrition. If you have WAPF or other traditional diet proponents blasting homosexuality, but not even acknowledging the different in raw and cooked to our original nutrition, you can only assume peoples are blind to the fact that there was homosexuality (and probably way larger percentages than are reported) prior to 1890. It can be argued that homosexuality in nature is a negative (or positive) as in self-regulating a species or natural poor nutrition due to unavailable food sources, but this doesn't seem to turn up completely with the data. I believe its possible, but then again this is really a separate thing than soy or any other modern food or information being such a heavy factor, even though I'd guess personally that a mother and father's intake could indeed bring about various results in a child's makeup.

Granted, if homosexuality was just another hormone disorder or even extreme issues such as autism, it is possible that it could be corrected through nutrition, but all of these such disorders or Parkinsons etc...are known to exacerbate with age and are more reasonably linked in health communities as being due to other sources then genes. Again if there are next to no cases of people succumbing to homosexuality later in life in grouping with their diabetes, Crohn's, or Parkinsons, then we can only assume that poor diet can only disrupt the distribution of hormones and the exacerbation of behaviors and pathologies, not have an overall effect on orientation. Sure people can become really femmy from soy, but this does not mean a homosexual person is more toxic than another person which is ultimately what all this implies.

As for some of the other theories that homosexuals are just bisexuals or opportunists pre-practicing before women or something, this is so far out of touch I don't know where to begin, as ive never met a single gay dude at least that ever tried to switch teams, or mentioned wanting to nail broads or even actually impregnating a woman (as opposed to adoption) to arrive at a child. Women seem to be a bit more of an ambiguity for me personally so i've left them out for the most part, but I believe quite a few in the same way will not often wish to actually be impregnated 'naturally' by a man when they desire a child. Even if there are some holes here that could be disputed, the ties to diet in terms of having a concrete result on an already birthed human's orientation seem about as likely to me as me eventually wanting to mate with an animal due to my present diet inclinations.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: Hans89 on November 12, 2010, 02:46:53 am
Homosexuality was observed by POTTENGER in his cat degeneration experiments.
The cooked food cats degenerated to a point they could not reproduce the next generation anymore, homosexuality included.
The experiment ended because the cooked cats' blood line died off.

There is a separate Price-Pottenger foundation I think.

GS, didn't you mention something before about your son becoming gay and excluding soy solved this?
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: TylerDurden on November 12, 2010, 02:51:47 am
GS, didn't you mention something before about your son becoming gay and excluding soy solved this?
Err, last I checked, his son is rather young to be having any sexual notions yet, let alone gay ones!
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: miles on November 12, 2010, 04:50:37 am
The existence of homosexual animals (animals that actually co-habitate as well as 'copulate')

The existence of homosexual animals in captivity*


In addition many of the most masculine role models/historical figures (Alexander the Great) have turned out to be homosexual

Aside from that you can not know that he was homosexual, what reason do you have to think that he was especially masculine anyway..?
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KD how come you always have so much to say about homosexuals?  -\
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: yuli on November 12, 2010, 05:05:20 am
The best its to be bisexual, then you don't have to worry about anything, lol, just kidding

But seriously, people have many fetishes, there is nothing wrong with it, given all the other things we think of lol

If you think about it sex is not just used for procreation, it is used for personal pleasure and gratification, even in some animals.
So if you look at it that way, then there's nothing odd about it.

I do however hate when they make parades out of it! wtf, do we really need to celebrate our fetishes, lol

I have met some VERY masculine men that had homo tendencies,
and I know very feminine men where the thought of homosexuality grosses them out!
One example is my boyfriend, he is very feminine - but even the thought of another penis and he'll throw up! ha ha

I also think hormones in foods and other modern things have fucked us up, not even just in terms of homosexuality.
I also see 12 year old girls with huge boobs and girls getting their period younger and younger, that seems more odd to me then homos honestly
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: TylerDurden on November 12, 2010, 05:14:43 am
Alexander The Great was a rather ruthless man who is rumoured to have killed his own father and conquered the Known World at the time, hardly a sign of femininity!


As for the issue of homosexuality in captivity, there might be an increase in homosexuality if in confined spaces( ie homosexuality helping to reduce population-size in view of reduced territory). However, there is evidence of homosexuality among wild animals in the wild, so it's hardly solely  a phenomenon of captivity.

Homosexuality seems only present in mammals and birds. Below lizards and the like, it seems to be unknown, last I checked. Also, I find the notion of homosexuality as a different sexual orientation problematic, as sex is merely procreation/reproduction which homosexuals (or heterosexual DINKs for that matter) do not do, technically. I see homosexuality as providing a different set of purposes, such as bonding, dominance  or other social function.


Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: miles on November 12, 2010, 05:17:56 am
Alexander The Great was a rather ruthless man who is rumoured to have killed his own father and conquered the Known World at the time, hardly a sign of femininity!

He was scared of his mum, and his mum killed his Dad. He was a king, of course they would talk grandly of him. He had a close relationship with a man he'd known since childhood, and whom he had fought many battles alongside, that doesn't mean he was homosexual. He just believed in 'bro's before ho's'.

Alexander The Great was a rather ruthless man who is rumoured to have killed his own father
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=homo-rage
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: yuli on November 12, 2010, 05:31:34 am
I see homosexuality as providing a different set of purposes, such as bonding, dominance  or other social function.

Definitely, how about just for sexual pleasure too. I view it like a fetish or even a form of masturbation.
Some women have a fetish for very masculine guys or feminine buys, and some men have a fetish for penis or a manly body, if it gets their rocks off so what, just don't make parade of it ha ha

Watch this, his mommy don't care, "my son, my son John, he's gay mon now!" LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOESpIz8Mjg
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: TylerDurden on November 12, 2010, 05:42:26 am
He was scared of his mum, and his mum killed his Dad. He was a king, of course they would talk grandly of him. He had a close relationship with a man he'd known since childhood, and whom he had fought many battles alongside, that doesn't mean he was homosexual. He just believed in 'bro's before ho's'.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=homo-rage
Given the prevalence of homosexuality in Greece etc., it is virtually impossible that he was not homosexual with his lifelong friend. He may well have been bisexual overall, but that's it.

Plus, historical opinion is divided as to whether it was his mother or Alexander who killed his father:-

http://www.in2greece.com/english/historymyth/history/ancient/alexander.htm

Plus, he was pretty ruthless with his opponents re executions etc.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: KD on November 12, 2010, 06:05:52 am
The existence of homosexual animals in captivity*

nah, I was referring to like researchers who have gone out into the Arctic and Amazon and observed things but in an interesting related tid-bi would be that domesticated animals fed shit diets also often to not 'turn gay' either, yet specific species routinely produce both gay and non gay offspring over many different generations.

Aside from that you can not know that he was homosexual, what reason do you have to think that he was especially masculine anyway..?

I really don't care too much about how masculine he was but assume based on the way society worked even more so in those days that he had 'better' genes than his peers and just assuming he ate the diet typically preferred by kings over servants in the ancient world (compared to the later pre modern ages where peasants sometimes did eat better). The issue was more that we was prominent as with some other members of our present society that are charged with various conspiracy. It just doesn't add up. I think masculinity or femininity has nothing to do with homosexuality, that one of the main points I was trying to make. While Diet might have an affect on one's mood or preferences, this isn't the same as deep routed programs.

KD how come you always have so much to say about homosexuals?  -\

heh, when do I NOT have so much to say?

personally I think these kind of ideas just make everyone look really lousy and I'd rather dispel it myself than be associated with it indirectly. As i said these same theories are very much promoted in the Natural Hygiene movement that recomends an entirely different diet as a 'solution'. Personally I know and have worked with a number of gay folks to actually know so much of this is incorrect, not that I feel obligated to defend them in any way over the internet. As for me, I do some promoting/publishing work and I just printed a flyer that featured 9 barely dressed lads whos physique would put anyone here to shame. Lets just say its not a paleo party. To me this issue crosses over just sexuality issues into ramifications of diet/environment/and media and their affects on humans, the accuracy of which I am very interested in. But if I was gay, you are totally my style honey.


Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: Iguana on November 12, 2010, 06:06:26 am
If you think about it sex is not just used for procreation, it is used for personal pleasure and gratification, even in some animals.

(...)
Humans, bonobos, dolphins and perhaps whales are particular in that they have perennial sexual and genital relations, I mean even the already pregnant women and children not yet able to reproduce also have sexual drives or even genital relations. Why is that? Sexologists and psychoanalysts answer is “for the pleasure”. That’s like telling the purpose of eating is just and only for the pleasure.

It would be more logical to admit that the pleasure we have when doing something means we’re doing something useful for our survival, because animals spending their energy to do useless  things are placed in a state of inferiority and would have been eliminated by natural selection. So, we must infer that there’s likely another purpose than reproduction to our sexual drives, a purpose useful to the specie survival.  

We feel that a loving relationship bring us happiness and energy. We can feel this energy transfer flow when we touch and caress someone we love. There’s in fact a transfer of particles (mostly electrons) with any physical contact. Energy / information can flow this way between partners being “in tune”. Many people experience extra-sensory perceptions (ESP) and/or have premonitory dreams and such things when in love. So it could well be that the second purpose of sexual relations (other than reproduction) is the structuring of our extra-sensory perception capabilities. The lost of it diminishes our chances of survival in the wild and leads to the denial of the existence of something non directly observable as “material”.

At the beginning of a real love relationship, the exchange of energy is very intense, passionate, but it diminishes with time – most probably because all the information has been exchanged and the same is re-circulating over and over again. Usually, after a while in this unsatisfactory situation, one of the two partners falls in love with a third party. This person coming form outside can bring new information and “recharge the batteries” of the initial couple. She or he is not at all an enemy of the couple, she or he is instead the savior of the couple.
(...)
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: ster546464@yahoo.co.uk on November 12, 2010, 08:39:21 pm
I have heard san francisco has the highest per cent of homosexuals in the USA

I'm also willing to bet that the majority of their diets revolves around what the local coffee shop offers.
Also, they are probably interested in raw veganism, or veganism, metrosexual fashion, non-manliness, and being friendly and generous.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: sabertooth on November 12, 2010, 11:44:12 pm
I had great grandfather who's last name was Alexander, he was a woodsmen and a naturalist, so I was debating on wither or not to name my Son Alexander in honor of him as well as in honor of Alexander the great, but I did feel that there might be some negative stigma behind naming my son after a gay man, so I made Alexander his middle name. The Macedonians were a wild bunch of horsemen that probably liked bareback riding, but I don't care, I still think they were awesome. I have a don't ask don't care policy in regards to moralizing over homosexuality.

Though It does suck to be labled as a gay wad just because you are well read , well spoken, didn't have any girl friends, play soccer , pratice yoga, ware tight pants. I love some aspects of gay culture and live in Lexington which is right up there with sanfran as a homosexual Mecca, There is no rivalry between me and gay people, I don't worry about them taking my woman or trying to play alfa male so I always got along with them and find them non threatening for the most part. (When in Rome, put up with the debauchery)

My granny was a hillbilly and when she moved into the city she fell in love with all the people at the gay bars and all the men call her Granny and treat her with more respect than any of her straight men ever did.(sometimes she calls me to pick her up because she is too drunk to drive home, and all the bar flys there are fabulous and the drag queens treat my Granny like family, its kind of sad that she feels more at home there than anywhere else, but if it makes her happy then who am I to judge.    
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: KD on November 13, 2010, 12:22:01 am
I have heard san francisco has the highest per cent of homosexuals in the USA
dude you crack me up, you must link me up to your grapevine sometime. Which blog can I catch the news on their latest activity?
homosexuals[...]interested in metrosexual fashion
and being friendly and generous.


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here is part of that flier. We are inexpensive so we get alot of weird people using us.  Honestly some of the stuff this company sends me makes me feel a little uncomfortable..or often its just so over the top that I just chuckle a bit. I am glad I don't have to design any of it but to say these folks are eating biscotti all day..think not.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: yuli on November 13, 2010, 02:00:04 am
...here is part of that flier...

oh...god....yummi...
I'd rather have a bunch of those guys hanging around me in a bar or club or on the beach then mosts straight guys honestly.
But obviously not all gay men look like that, but when they look good they look real good!

Also, some femininity is nice in a man, if you are going to wear clothes anyway, then why not wear it with style.
Some of the most attractive guys can be those metros that seem gay (without the funny speech of course) but they are not!

Straight men should even more happy about this, they don't have to fight over the woman, and they can learn from their gay friend about fitness, eating well, taking care of skin and hair etc...and the woman has a gay friend to yap with about womanly stuff, and then she can go to the straight man for sex (most guys would be like "Alright! Sex without the yapping!"), ha ha
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: KD on November 13, 2010, 02:09:48 am
heh, yes before I get slammed, I don't believe homos have special muscle building abilities or that having muscle means health. I think we can argue all we want about what the purpose in nature of homosexuality or whether poor diets over the generations 'degenerate' into homosexuality, but the idea that one is going to heal their homosexuality after they are born through some crappy Weston Price Foundation diet is so out to lunch. I can guarantee these guys have better blood work than someone shoveling down the average WAPF diet, nevermind the Morlocks that compose most of the population and still reproduce.

Straight men should even more happy about this, they don't have to fight over the woman, and they can learn from their gay friend about fitness, eating well, taking care of skin and hair etc...and the woman has a gay friend to yap with about womanly stuff, and then she can go to the straight man for sex (most guys would be like "Alright! Sex without the yapping!"), ha ha
kudos for sex without yapping.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: Hans89 on November 17, 2010, 03:34:05 pm
Err, last I checked, his son is rather young to be having any sexual notions yet, let alone gay ones!

I'm typing this in a dunkin donuts cafe for the internet wifi connection.
I got myself plain black coffee just as an excuse to have a seat and some internet.
Seems 50% of the males going in and out of this place are effeminate or homosexual.

I'm also thinking of the time when our first born son was 1 year old and he was effeminate, a toddler effeminate homosexual.

My wife and I took action and researched and found that SOYA, was a prime suspect for homosexuality.  In 2001 to 2002 my son was being given soya in the form of "Taho" everyday from a door to door vendor.

We stopped all taho and all forms of soya and soy food in our household.  Our son immediately became manly in a few weeks.  It was no coincidence.  It was as real for us as night and day.  Soya was making our first born child gay.

Our boy is now 8 and all male complete with erections.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: Brother on November 17, 2010, 03:46:44 pm
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I'd rather have a bunch of those guys hanging around me in a bar or club or on the beach then mosts straight guys honestly.

/facepalm
Ofcourse you do, they are equipped with a female brain. The sexes prefer the company of their own outside of mating. Study after study demonstrates this, but nobody is allowed to say it *whispers very silently* ...we dont want to be like those barabrians futher down south you see, we are way too equal for such a line of thinking.

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Also, some femininity is nice in a man, if you are going to wear clothes anyway, then why not wear it with style.

Because metro sexual is more stylish than what actual men prefer to wear out of their own free will? Yet again you clearly favour the female. how does gay men dress? Like women.

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Some of the most attractive guys can be those metros that seem gay (without the funny speech of course) but they are not!

because they are just so cuttly, non threatening and want to talk about their emotions all night long. They even cry like where they whipped when we see movies girls like.... so...what part made them man again, the penis? you can have one installed, no problem. Doesnt mean a lot in the context. And I think you are skewed in the head like most other western women. By gay propaganda.

have you noticed how when a man is portrayed in a television series he is either a.an idiot b.gay c.metro sexual d.all of them. Have you noticed how suddenly men are to take advice on everything from dressing up to making love from ...gays? wtf?!
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: Brother on November 17, 2010, 04:01:31 pm
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but the idea that one is going to heal their homosexuality after they are born through some crappy Weston Price Foundation diet is so out to lunch.

it is a fetish and thus indirectly a choice, since a fetish can be dealth with (and will be if it is threatening to others, especially children). A fetish can by its very nature completely dominate a persons life and coincidentally you will see that for many gays being gay is the essence of their life. being a boring, non metrosexual cave ape myself, I dont think my sexuality defines me in any way. And i certainly do not need to throw parades to let everybody know who and how I am fucking. Nor do I need pressure groups to make sure that everybody respect my sexuality, the fact is, I dont give a shit and if people have a problem they are free to look away or get kicked to a bloody pulp for staring through my windows.

I know it is not politically correct, but once again, I dont give a shit. New science reveals that genuine homosexuals are few and the speculation is that they are equipped with a female brain. A factory mishap in those cases, so to speak. They often want a sex change, and good for them, we life in times we it is possible. I dont think they have a choice, but look up what percentage they are suspected to be of the homosexual population.

I know now of atleast 2 former lesbians who converted back when they met a man they ressonated with. One of them was a lesbian for 15 years, she had a child with her partner (together for 10). then one day she ran into what can best be described as homo grobrian. I thought I was prmitive at times, but this guy...pheeeew 101 male if you ask me. They are still together. Then ofcourse gay appologers said, that she was never really a lesbian then and to those i usually say Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuulshit! you dont stay with someone you dont desire for 10 years without having the right fetish. But she proved that it can be changed. And now she is very happy she did, as she revealed to my partner (her friend); it just feels more natural, it is hard to explain. you will hear no arguing from me about that one

edit to add: It should be obvious that I do not have a problem with homosexuality or homosexuals. No more than I do with people who have a shoe fetish. As long as it is between concending adults, it is no business of mine what they waste their time with. But I refuse to call it anything than what it is in the name of political correctness since I believe PC is evil to the bone.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: yuli on November 17, 2010, 06:54:05 pm
@Brother...

Dude you seem to know so much about me! Things I didn't even know, it must be from all those wonderful studies you read all the time...
I don't like most gay people either, because I don't like most PEOPLE!!! I just know what I find attractive in a man and what I don't.

Of course you do, they are equipped with a female brain. The sexes prefer the company of their own outside of mating.

Oh do they really, thats why most of my friends are/were dudes (not gay ones)??? Thats why I really only have like one female friend that I like to spent time with regularly...Women are all different, some like to have a large circle of women friends, I personally don't get along with too many women, usually.

Because metro sexual is more stylish than what actual men prefer to wear out of their own free will? Yet again you clearly favour the female. how does gay men dress? Like women.

How do women dress????? Do you notice women can wear jeans and a T-shirt and look good, or a dress and look good...so HOW THE FUCK DO WOMEN DRESS??? How do all real men dress??? You mean when a man likes to have a certain style its not from his own free will??? Have you ever been in some good goth clubs, LOOK at some of those guys, funky hair, makeup, tight-ass leather pants etc...BUT SOMEHOW he is having 3 HOT GOTH CHICKS hovering around him??? Is a guy like that gay to you too... There are gay men that dress like "regular men", and that there are lesbos who are dressing ultra feminine...What you say doesn't make any sense. If the only style that you can pull off is looking like a tree log then thats fine, but don't go dissing on other peoples styles then. Post your pictures in your everyday outfit and let me critique your style too! We can have some real fun.

because they are just so cuttly, non threatening and want to talk about their emotions all night long.

WTF??? Talk about emotions all night? Last night I was hanging out at my female friends place, and a big part of our conversation was about men's cocks, lol...yeah pretty emotional all the time, lol....I was mentioning I like it when the gays are HOT - thats it, I like seeing a guy thats HOT, whether he is gay or not.

If you are a man and you can't ever discuss any emotional problems that doesn't make you a man, it makes you a sorry person.

They even cry like where they whipped when we see movies girls like.... so...what part made them man again, the penis? you can have one installed, no problem. Doesnt mean a lot in the context. And I think you are skewed in the head like most other western women. By gay propaganda.

WTF!!! You are skewed by gay propaganda not me...what movies do girls like? I like Star Wars, Terminator, many sci-fi movies, and I love many anime, usually the violent ones, and stupid shit like South Park. And I watch it together with my "girly" men. So what part do you think defines a man, his hairy ass?

Did I not mention earlier in the thread one of the most annoying things is yapping during sex? Have you actually read my posts and this is how you analyzed me? Or do you like to make things up about me?

have you noticed how when a man is portrayed in a television series he is either a.an idiot b.gay c.metro sexual d.all of them. Have you noticed how suddenly men are to take advice on everything from dressing up to making love from ...gays? wtf?!

NO I HAVE NOT NOTICED BECAUSE I DO NOT WATCH THOSE STUPID TV SERIES OR ANY TV...I think I wrote that a few times before.

The point is WHO CARES what you are classified as? Who cares if a woman want to be with a woman for 10 years then be with a guy??? Maybe she likes vaginas, then she got tired of vaginas and decided to try dicks? Yay she has converted! What crap, you say you don't care who people fuck but obviously you do.

For me the reason I like to have sexual relations with men instead of women is because I like penises as a pose to vaginas...Everything else in the relationship is important too, the brain, thought, character etc... and that is not judged on if it is manly or womanly etc. there is a little more to it. And that up to everyones personal taste.

It should be obvious that I do not have a problem with homosexuality or homosexuals. No more than I do with people who have a shoe fetish...

Its obvious that you have a problem with men not following your norm or the norms of some society. And the fact that a chick likes a man different then you, you don't understand it, it probably makes you feel inferior. Then you try to classify me, and how I think, based on the stupid studies and propaganda you were brainwashed with, and you insult straight men that care about their style or look hot in a non-cave-man-like way...you are just as bad as the gays at the gay parades.

Dude man,
What can I say,
I really think,
Thats totally gay!

....look I wrote a poem, isn't that womanly of me? lol
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: KD on November 17, 2010, 09:47:48 pm
being a boring, non metrosexual cave ape myself, I dont think my sexuality defines me in any way. And i certainly do not need to throw parades to let everybody know who and how I am fucking. Nor do I need pressure groups to make sure that everybody respect my sexuality...

you get 0 points for being anti-PC and 'impartial' if you can't actually give real science linking diet to late-life conversation of males and females to homosexuality from poor diet when this is clearly the case with almost every physical and mental degenerative modern ailment. Without this link, you have no case that homosexuality as some kind of fetish to be turned on or of either by will or by varying ones toxic load through diet. Its hard to dismiss what you list as PC and irrational, when your concepts still remain mostly in your own opinions.

I agree with yuli of course, The point is, is you are very much under a huge stereotyping of gays by the media. Many gays are mens men, don't talk with lisps and even vote conservatively. I'm pretty sure youve grouped yourself into a very judgmental non-objective hole here which is the very instigator/necessitator of PC culture.

You are right, the issue is not whether something is acceptable or not but whether heterosexualities main factor is nutrition and development. As already listed a bunch of times: when examining other animals in nature, or the absolutely horrid diets of most people on the planet, this link is highly questionable - at least as the main factor. you have 1 or 2 switched friends (that did not turn gay with poor nutrition), I have billions of people eating crappy food.

The reason why gays throw parades is because no matter how infiltrated you will find them in the media or other circles, gays still routinely get beaten and killed on a regular basis many places for being gay. These events are completely identical to pride rallies of Puerto Ricans, Irish etc..which have historically shaped the same purpose. they don't necessarily have to do with convincing other to be Irish or Puerrto Rican, its a tool of solidarity.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: goodsamaritan on November 17, 2010, 10:12:57 pm
I never try to be politically correct.

The book Sperm Wars describes the role of homosexuality as he observed as a social scientist.
The author Baker observes homosexuals are:

#1 - dual sexuals / ac-dc / can turn to both men and women.
#2 - are more promiscuous, start early and are really very very very promiscuous.

Since the homosexuals gain sexual experience at an earlier age, and they are promiscuous, they continue to reproduce

-- this is Baker's observation.  One of his hypothesis.

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The diet and degeneration point of view: Pottenger's cats experiment.
I observe this is the case at times with Filipino homosexuals at times.


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My contraception and sexual fulfillment point of view...

The popularity of contraception in any civilization and age ushers in more homosexuality.  The more contraceptive, the more promiscuity needed to sate the sexual desires of people.  Sex is a reproductive function, humans want to reproduce, contraception reduces this probability to reproduce immensely, humans compensate by having more frequent sex.

Witness and study those who practice zero contraception, their sexual appetites are sated and they don't have sex as often.

Some homosexuals I observe are merely sex addicts, the product end point of contraceptive saturation.  Homosexuality is the ultimate contraceptive.  See how many hundreds of partners homosexuals of this type go through.  They should not be labeled as homosexuals, they should be labeled as sex addicts. 
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: miles on November 18, 2010, 12:59:31 am
If homosexual men were the community-servants of old, then it could make sense that people might want to be served by men who seem homosexual, and in the most developed countries most people are servants. So on that line of thought, it could make sense that many men act homosexually in our countries.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: Brother on November 18, 2010, 01:16:14 am
you get 0 points for being anti-PC and 'impartial' if you can't actually give real science linking diet to late-life conversation of males and females to homosexuality from poor diet when this is clearly the case with almost every physical and mental degenerative modern ailment. Without this link, you have no case that homosexuality as some kind of fetish to be turned on or of either by will or by varying ones toxic load through diet. Its hard to dismiss what you list as PC and irrational, when your concepts still remain mostly in your own opinions.

except;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/jun/16/neuroscience.psychology
http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0000762

etc.. So ? what was your point again?

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The point is, is you are very much under a huge stereotyping of gays by the media. Many gays are mens men, don't talk with lisps and even vote conservatively.

The exception that confirms the rule, is not the rule itself. Common misunderstanding, no worries.

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Dude you seem to know so much about me! Things I didn't even know, it must be from all those wonderful studies you read all the time...

No you are a walking steriotype, obvious from what you write here, which makes it pretty easy to read you. As fopr the rest of your emotional rather irrational outlet; "ok"
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: goodsamaritan on November 18, 2010, 07:37:43 am
I abhor bringing in the phrase "political correct" --- it smacks of censorship, shutting up the competitive argument.  "Political correctness" is a USA only thing and will never do for us non-USA citizens.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: TylerDurden on November 18, 2010, 07:48:46 am
I abhor bringing in the phrase "political correct" --- it smacks of censorship, shutting up the competitive argument.  "Political correctness" is a USA only thing and will never do for us non-USA citizens.

Sadly, not true. It is alive and well in the UK and most other European countries. Of course, there are other kinds of censorship but the 1984-like style of political correctness is the worst.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: yuli on November 18, 2010, 08:12:04 am
No you are a walking steriotype...

What about when I am sitting?

If you can really know a person from some forum posts without knowing them in real life, then I guess you have some special power, good for you. As long as there are studies to which you can post links, and categories into which you can clump the people because based on what rocks their boat, you know everything, sure its quite obvious then I guess, your power of insight goes well beyond my stereotypical limit of intelligence. Thank you for your deep psychological analysis of me, I am privileged that I was chosen for your analysis, you have given me the power and knowledge to change myself to become a better person.  l)
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: KD on November 18, 2010, 09:08:33 am
ok so where does it say poor nutrition causes people to become gay later in life like Parkinsons? I really don't care to argue whether gays are some kind of degeneration only that they exist independent of diet choices as in nature. I am completely indifferent other than sharing factual information and not being associated with poor concepts.

except;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/jun/16/neuroscience.psychology
http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0000762

etc.. So ? what was your point again?

The exception that confirms the rule, is not the rule itself. Common misunderstanding, no worries.

No you are a walking steriotype, obvious from what you write here, which makes it pretty easy to read you. As fopr the rest of your emotional rather irrational outlet; "ok"



I don't understand what you mean by exception proves the rule here, are you acknowledging that some gay men do not actually act feminine or have puny physiques and therefore there is no direct link between femininity induced by hormones and homosexual leanings?
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: TylerDurden on November 18, 2010, 09:19:44 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exception_that_proves_the_rule
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: goodsamaritan on November 18, 2010, 09:25:21 am
Sadly, not true. It is alive and well in the UK and most other European countries. Of course, there are other kinds of censorship but the 1984-like style of political correctness is the worst.

Ah well, sorry to hear about the UK and most european countries, in that case, we should be anti censorship in the forum because, this is the whole point of having a forum, right? Discuss and discuss.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: actup on November 18, 2010, 09:28:17 am
LOL being is not a degenerative disease. Most of the gay people I have met are very conscious of their health. Just look at their parades, the majority of them look like strong people.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: miles on November 18, 2010, 11:02:31 am
LOL being (gay) is not a degenerative disease. Most of the gay people I have met are very conscious of their health. Just look at their parades, the majority of them look like strong people.

So are you saying that Stephen Hawking is healthy, because he seems intelligent?
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: actup on November 18, 2010, 11:29:32 am
So are you saying that Stephen Hawking is healthy, because he seems intelligent?

I'm not really grasping how that question has to do with homosexuals being degenerates or not, please expand or use something different
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: KD on November 18, 2010, 11:33:44 am
Miles, the whole origin of this is WAP. WAP observed various physical characteristics of which he associated with good health. many of these are often used on this same forum (jawline etc..) to assess strong levels of testosterone etc..

point is, if you took a wide spectrum of people both strait and gay the symptoms of disease and degeneration associated with diet wouldn't by and large be more present in one then the other. Ironically if it was to be skewed in any way whatsoever it would probably be in favor of gays as I believe actup90 is relaying, that many gays take more attention to their diet and overall health probably than the vast majority of the populace. This would include staying away from processed foods, excessive soy or refined oils etc... Meanwhile the vast majority of the very people who abuse these foods coincidentally seem to suffer no homosexual ill affect to their poor habits or succumb to influences from the media about how swell homosexuality is, so basically its not accurate to lay blame on these things for increasing homosexuality.

likely if homosexuality has increased as a percentage, its just because many more people are choosing to express it. When looking back on history, this seems to be the case - not to mention be very existent far before much processed foods or media. Why is sodomy specifically mentioned in the bible so much if we are dealing with a modern ala WAP ailment? meanwhile from one that accepts both cooking and foodstuffs such as grain and dairy even heated/cooked. I'm pretty confident many of the types of dudes I printed flyers for eat more or less a  cooked paleo diet that would fit right int he realm of WAP->paleo.

In terms of physiques, thin emo androgynous guys working at the video store and drinking soy lattes are more often then not just wussy strait guys. and if all the creepy yoga teachers from the 70's have not turned gay yet, its likely that even the new batches of soy treats arn't powerful enough to actually shift peoples orientation, just advance all the other typical problems.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: miles on November 18, 2010, 11:42:54 am
The Bible is very recent history.

I'm only highlighting that part as I got the rest.

I'm not really grasping how that question has to do with homosexuals being degenerates or not, please expand or use something different

You said that gay men are healthy if they look strong.

By the same logic you would have to conclude that Stephen Hawking is healthy because he seems intelligent.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: goodsamaritan on November 18, 2010, 11:46:22 am
LOL being is not a degenerative disease. Most of the gay people I have met are very conscious of their health. Just look at their parades, the majority of them look like strong people.

Contrast this with the gays I meet here in Manila who are not conscious about health and are not strong people.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: sabertooth on November 18, 2010, 11:52:04 am
The assumption of Gay peoples' health superiority is an illusion caused by the fact that healthy gays are more likely to come out of the closet because of their attractive nature (thus standing out), and sickly gay people are likely to hide behind a Vail of in the closet lies and drugs. The gays that don't do drugs do seem to glow with better health than the average bear, but perhaps its just assumption.

 Anyone have statistical data on healthy gays? :-*
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: KD on November 18, 2010, 12:05:29 pm
The assumption of Gay peoples' health superiority is an illusion caused by the fact that healthy gays are more likely to come out of the closet because of their attractive nature (thus standing out), and sickly gay people are likely to hide behind a Vail of in the closet lies and drugs. The gays that don't do drugs do seem to glow with better health than the average bear, but perhaps its just assumption.

 Anyone have statistical data on healthy gays? :-*

heh, i'm a sure this has some truth but it really doesn't matter tho, all you need is one square jawed queer who eats well (like a man) and this guy http://www.oceanrobbins.com/articles_jeffersonvideo.html to dispel this theory.

[edi]
(http://www.johnrobbins.info/gl_images/oceanrobbinsphoto.jpg)
how about we just all agree that veg diets potentially make fems that still marry and have kids.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: actup on November 18, 2010, 12:34:29 pm
You said that gay men are healthy if they look strong.
By the same logic you would have to conclude that Stephen Hawking is healthy because he seems intelligent.

Good point, I should not be using one aspect to signify good health.
His brain function is certainly alright though his body is gone, so i don't think we can compare him to very many people at all
I was stating that many of the gay people I have seen and met are actively Trying to become healthier, and remain gay.
I think being gay is a choice not some deficiency or health issue.


Contrast this with the gays I meet here in Manila who are not conscious about health and are not strong people.

This shows me that health really is not a determining factor. Maybe some people are just gay
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: goodsamaritan on November 18, 2010, 12:56:23 pm
This shows me that health really is not a determining factor. Maybe some people are just gay

How could you have misinterpreted my post?
You deduced the complete opposite of what I was saying.

There was a pro-life gay volunteer once.
He said he wanted to be manly.
I told him I can tell his favorite food is soy, soy, soy and more soy.
He said... "right on the money you are sir... since I was a toddler, mom fed me on soy milk, lots of tofu, taho and still today I just love soy." how did you know?

Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: yuli on November 18, 2010, 01:20:51 pm
But so many gays did not eat soy, both in history and today. Especially now days soy is not considered as much a health food anymore...less people around here are choosing it. Also just as many straight people probably eat soy. So if you come here and talk to a gay person, especially one that has a nice physique, there is a very high chance he doesn't eat soy, and that his diet is probably a lot closer to paleo then that fat biker riding around on a Harley next to him.

What about all the manly gays, sure they may have that metro-sexual look, style of dress etc. but they have broad sholders with muscle (a common trait of fit males), nice hair, bone structure, good jaw, they clearly exercise and obviously posses strength. Many gays these days its getting very HARD to tell, you see some fit guy in a business suit and you never know sometimes.

I am not saying diet has nothing to do with it but clearly it is more of a choice, and if a person is happy in their life with whatever their lifestyle is then even if they change their diet to raw paleo they will likely not drastically change. Also if a person is drastically changing their diet it may be because they are wanting to change their life around, so if they are not happy being gay then they will likely or hopefully change for their own well being, people have "changed" their lives like this without going to raw paleo, there is a lot more at play.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: goodsamaritan on November 18, 2010, 01:38:59 pm
Like I said, there are various sources of gays, it's a multi source thing:

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The book Sperm Wars describes the role of homosexuality as he observed as a social scientist.
The author Baker observes homosexuals are:

#1 - dual sexuals / ac-dc / can turn to both men and women.
#2 - are more promiscuous, start early and are really very very very promiscuous.

Since the homosexuals gain sexual experience at an earlier age, and they are promiscuous, they continue to reproduce

-- this is Baker's observation.  One of his hypothesis.

------------------

The diet and degeneration point of view: Pottenger's cats experiment.
I observe this is the case at times with Filipino homosexuals at times.


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My contraception and sexual fulfillment point of view...

The popularity of contraception in any civilization and age ushers in more homosexuality.  The more contraceptive, the more promiscuity needed to sate the sexual desires of people.  Sex is a reproductive function, humans want to reproduce, contraception reduces this probability to reproduce immensely, humans compensate by having more frequent sex.

Witness and study those who practice zero contraception, their sexual appetites are sated and they don't have sex as often.

Some homosexuals I observe are merely sex addicts, the product end point of contraceptive saturation.  Homosexuality is the ultimate contraceptive.  See how many hundreds of partners homosexuals of this type go through.  They should not be labeled as homosexuals, they should be labeled as sex addicts. 
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: actup on November 18, 2010, 02:05:16 pm
Yuli...I could not have said it better   -X

My mom is now gay and I still love her. I have not seen her happier than with her new mate and the experience has changed my views on the subject drastically.
It is just one of the many paths an individual can take and not a negative one in any way.
Of course If my son is gay i will beat it out of him LOL (jk)
I plan on having multiple spawns just to ease that worry.
It is not like we are speaking of pedophiles or chickenf*ckers.
my question is....
Who cares if they are gay anyway? Is it really affect anyone other than them? Why would we combat these choices?
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: wodgina on November 18, 2010, 06:08:22 pm
LOL being is not a degenerative disease. Most of the gay people I have met are very conscious of their health. Just look at their parades, the majority of them look like strong people.

You know that a lot of good looking buff dudes at the front of the parades are actually paid hetro models/dancers don't you? They interveiwed a few of them at the Sydney parade, I was a little shocked to be honest. Why do this?

Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: Brother on November 18, 2010, 06:14:41 pm
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Why would we combat these choices?

everything going on between consenting adults is ok. Even cannibalised murder. If the person who wants to get murdered and perhaps eaten (this strange fetish excists) are fully aware of what he does, and is not suffering from mental illness, then he should have the right to be killed and eaten by whoever have the matching fetish. There was a case in Germany about this very thing. The court was puzzled since all evidence suggested that the victim had been wanting this to happen, well documented by writing and video recording.

There was a chinese guy who wanted to marry his dog. Why couldnt he? The dog certainly seemed to like him very much!?

etc...whatever brings a person happiness in their lifes (or its end) that does not directly influence or hurt others, must be respected. Intrusive countercultures have no such right imo.  
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: Brother on November 18, 2010, 06:17:35 pm
You know that a lot of good looking buff dudes at the front of the parades are actually paid hetro models/dancers don't? They interveiwed a few of them at the Sydney parade, I was a little shocked to be honest. Why do this?

"gay culture" is an entirely differeny kettle of fish than "homosexual people". I know of many homosexuals who are offended by the "culture", its iconography (what youre getting at) and its methods of gaining public attention. How do I know? From their angry letters to the news papers at every years rainbow parade.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: TylerDurden on November 18, 2010, 07:52:15 pm
You know that a lot of good looking buff dudes at the front of the parades are actually paid hetro models/dancers don't you? They interveiwed a few of them at the Sydney parade, I was a little shocked to be honest. Why do this?
That is fraud! But then the gay ideal is to have a 6-pack etc. so I suppose an ideal does not always have to reflect reality.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: TylerDurden on November 18, 2010, 07:59:11 pm
Why would we combat these choices?
Well, if everyone were gay, there would be no children so it makes sense for society to frown on it. Gays currently have 1/6th the number of children that heterosexuals have, and the main reason they have even that high a number is because they were under previous social compulsion to get heterosexually married etc.

Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: yuli on November 19, 2010, 02:49:40 am
...if everyone were gay, there would be no children so it makes sense for society to frown on it...

I disagree, it doesn't make any sense to frown on gays...how can everyone become gay, its not a contagion, thats impossible, in history there were always a number of gay people and the world still didn't turn all gay, were still having children like always.

It does however make sense to frown on Gay Culture, just like we can frown on many other "cultures", that is what we do, it has nothing to do with actually being gay.

....Gays currently have 1/6th the number of children that heterosexuals have....

Good! Like we need that much more children when the planet is already so god-dam crowded.
When you think about this gays are an evolutionary necessity....
we breed a lot, we're all over the planet, now with gays at least there are some couples who will not be having kids...
If they do they'll likely adopt kids that have no proper home, great!
Gays also make up for the people that are having too many children for no good reason, when they can't even properly care for them.

You know that a lot of good looking buff dudes at the front of the parades are actually paid hetro models/dancers don't you? ....I was a little shocked to be honest. Why do this?
That is fraud!

Why were you shocked? Did you guys just drop from another planet?  :P Look at pictures in magazines, the media, look at Hollywood, these things aren't real...its just advertising (I guess advertising can be called fraud), but in this case its adversing for the so-called "Gay Culture". If you are surprised by that then you should be surprised by every ad for some kind of fitness thing that shows a picture of some dude that actually is not on that product, he's an actor/model to give us a certain idea etc etc, I am not saying I agree with it but this is the way things are often advertised, we all got used to that I thought. Its not a new trick. Especially when you look at something as highly advertised as the gay parade.

Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: TylerDurden on November 19, 2010, 03:09:12 am
Well, I suppose there is room for a small gay subculture, but more than a certain amount of gays in society, especially in countries with low birth-rates would not help. Perhaps homosexuality should only be widely encouraged in countries with high  birth-rates and/or populations like Iran, China or India.


As for the last comment, I should perhaps point out that, in the UK and quite unlike the US, TV shows routinely cast rather ugly actors who are more representative of the general population.So we don't have this body-beautiful concept to quite the same extent.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: magnetic on February 22, 2011, 07:44:26 pm
Homosexuality seems only present in mammals and birds. Below lizards and the like, it seems to be unknown, last I checked. Also, I find the notion of homosexuality as a different sexual orientation problematic, as sex is merely procreation/reproduction which homosexuals (or heterosexual DINKs for that matter) do not do, technically. I see homosexuality as providing a different set of purposes, such as bonding, dominance  or other social function.

It is a behavior in which one individual dominates another, as you and others have pointed out.  This explains why it is only seen among certain social animals.  What seems common is that mammals and birds that practice "homosexual" behavior have a level of individuation.  Ants and bees, for instance, are social animals but I do not think they have the level of individuation that some mammals and birds do, so they do not manifest the same behavior patterns involving dominance. 

Dominance and submission in general are important adaptations because such behaviors allow us to settle disputes without too much bloodshed, at least when things are going smoothly.  Otherwise we have war.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: magnetic on February 22, 2011, 08:10:03 pm
heh, i'm a sure this has some truth but it really doesn't matter tho, all you need is one square jawed queer who eats well (like a man) and this guy http://www.oceanrobbins.com/articles_jeffersonvideo.html to dispel this theory.

[edi]
(http://www.johnrobbins.info/gl_images/oceanrobbinsphoto.jpg)
how about we just all agree that veg diets potentially make fems that still marry and have kids.

I know one veggie who is very effeminate and married and another in the same boat.  They are both overly emotional, socialist wimps who can't make a coherent argument and always resort to rhetorical personal attacks.  I see this as common to veggie lovers as well as SAD eaters, which is why I have taken to calling grains "slave food."  People who eat too much slave food can't think for themselves, but I don't know if it has much effect on sexuality, which does smack of fetishism. 

Oh and f*ck being PC.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: magnetic on February 22, 2011, 08:18:52 pm
Incidentally, I have a copy of Nutrition And Physical Degeneration sitting on my desk that I have been planning on reading for the last few weeks, I am going to start reading it soon.  If I come across any mention of homosexuality or sexual characteristics in general, I will make note of it here.  It is the 6th Edition if that makes any difference...

Ryan
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: Mart1n on November 29, 2019, 03:39:37 am
Hi all, I just got here because of watching some of sv3rige's videos. This is my first post.

Trying to explain homosexuality your best bet may be that hormones, like testosterone, do depend on fat and cholesterol for proper function. This way you could, possibly, inherit homosexuality from malnourished parents. Or at least inherit a vector in that direction.

What I noticed when reading Weston A. Price's writings long ago is that new married couples in certain "primitive cultures" were eating specially selected type's of food known to optimize the health of next generation.
These specific diets were started well before any attempts were made to make children.
Another tradition was for the mother to not become pregnant before 3 years after the last time she gave birth, this to allow for recovery from giving birth and breast feeding, thus benefit both her own health and the next child.

Another possible clue may be what lactating women eat and what influences the quality of breast milk. Not to speak of buying "breast milk" in supermarkets. Would add to screwing up things for next generation.

If the concept of healthy parents = healthy children holds up as a general rule, then why not look for malnourished parents, and dietary guidelines in general, as a possible cause of homosexuality?

Martin
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: TylerDurden on November 29, 2019, 05:37:58 am
These explanations for homosexuality do not add up. For example, the lack of testosterone theory does not explain how plenty of homosexuals in history have been quite violent, clearly-testosterone-filled-types such as Sulla or Alexander The Great. Plenty of homosexual royalty had far better nutrition in the Middle-Ages and Renaissance than  people from the lower classes. So, poor nutrition does not explain homosexuality. There is one scientific claim, that the more older brothers a man has, the more likely he is to be gay:-

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/04/gay-brothers/480117/

I grant that parents' good nutrition would likely help, epigenetically, to  reduce the number of genetically-defective children. For example, it is well-known that alcoholic parents are  more likely to produce epileptic children than other kinds of parents. So, well-fed parents  will produce well-fed children who are far less likely to grow up with defective reproductive apparatuses with lower testosterone-levels, but homosexuality is another issue.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: norawnofun on November 29, 2019, 06:41:06 am
Recently, they did a large study to determine the cause of sexual behaviour and find a "gay-gene": https://geneticsexbehavior.info/ https://geneticsexbehavior.info/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ganna190830.pdf. They concluded that there is no such thing. My guess is that indeed, nutrition plays a main role, but there are for sure other factors like Tyler mentioned. You can´t blame everything on nutrition. Even in nature there are examples of gay animals. Did they eat soy? I doubt it. Still, I think that nutrition is a very important factor that one should not miss. I know at least 2 people that were fed soy milk when they were babies, and they turned out to be gay.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: Mart1n on November 29, 2019, 06:56:31 am
There is one scientific claim, that the more older brothers a man has, the more likely he is to be gay:-

Interesting. Same would count for homosexual women? Could it be related to mom giving birth too often over a too short period of time? Being pregnant, giving birth and breast feeding causes malnourishment if not replenished sufficiently.
 
I'd say we do not quite know if this adds up or not. But since malnourishment is likely to burden next generation, and hormonal function depends on cholesterol (nutrient), there sure is a basis for doing some testing and compare.

Ultimately homosexuality would undermine any tribe/civilization. That is, if the rate of homosexuality increases with the rate of malnourished parents.

Other than that I don't have anything against homosexuals. Quite a few homosexuals have something against being homosexual. They're just trying to cope with it. Most are just quite relieved that it's being accepted. Just like veggie-ism is being promoted, even by the UN.

Norawaynofun, as you I also suspect there are ways to mess up hormones. In addition the know-how and ability to mess with hormones, and ultimately reproduction, would be of interest for anyone engaged in matters concerning overpopulation.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: goodsamaritan on November 29, 2019, 11:49:40 am
How about this idea?
Genetic statistics show we are descended from a ratio of 1 male having children with 5 females.

Therefore plenty of males are not chosen for the job.

Maybe being a reproductive male is a sort of pinnacle of biology?
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: TylerDurden on November 29, 2019, 08:01:05 pm
 I have never heard of a rise in homosexuality coinciding with periods of  famine  Also, technically, male-female relationships(in the ancient world) were all about raising a family with babies). Homosexual relationships, arguably, were not about having children, but about forming social bonds etc.(look at the Spartan men all having to raise a young boy to adulthood, for example). In another case, male lions often are affectionate to male lion-partners, but that is because it is a lot easier for  a due or trio of male lions to get rid of male lions in another pride so that they can get hold of the female lions, than if they were to only  try singly, one at a time.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: dariorpl on November 29, 2019, 08:10:59 pm
Recently, they did a large study to determine the cause of sexual behaviour and find a "gay-gene": https://geneticsexbehavior.info/ https://geneticsexbehavior.info/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ganna190830.pdf. They concluded that there is no such thing. My guess is that indeed, nutrition plays a main role, but there are for sure other factors like Tyler mentioned. You can´t blame everything on nutrition. Even in nature there are examples of gay animals. Did they eat soy? I doubt it. Still, I think that nutrition is a very important factor that one should not miss. I know at least 2 people that were fed soy milk when they were babies, and they turned out to be gay.

The whole idea of finding an "X gene" that every person with X has, and every person without the gene doesn't have X, is quite dumb. Very few genes work like this. Rather, genes work synergistically and combine with each other to create all sorts of different possibilities.

Diseases are caused either by defective genes, or by toxicity accumulation, poor nutrition/lifestyle, or by artificial experience that teaches someone to go against their very nature; or by a combination or sequence of any or all of the above: For example, toxicity buildup can damage genes. Mental disorders can cause someone to poison themselves with drugs and chemicals. Damaged genes can also predispose someone to a mental disorder; etc.

If one were to be able to understand all there is to know about how genes combine to form particular individuals, I suspect we'd be able to tell which people with which genes have much higher or much lower chances of becoming gay.

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RE: Tyler, the testosterone idea is incomplete, as this only applies to men who become gay because they feel more like women than men, but it does not encompass all gay men, such as those that become gay because they feel more manly by dominating boys instead of girls. All of that said, on average, and because a large proportion of gay men are of the first type, gay men have much lower testosterone than non-gay men.

How about this idea?
Genetic statistics show we are descended from a ratio of 1 male having children with 5 females.

Therefore plenty of males are not chosen for the job.

Maybe being a reproductive male is a sort of pinnacle of biology?

There is the theory that in H-G tribes/bands, weak or low status men only pretend to be gay so they will be trusted by the alphas to protect the females when they're not around; and in doing so have their only chance at reproduction.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: TylerDurden on November 29, 2019, 10:02:46 pm
Just checking, but found a contrasting theory that  excess levels of androgens like testosterone in the womb increase the likelihood of male and female homosexuality:-

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/03/000330094644.htm
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: sabertooth on November 30, 2019, 12:00:00 am
I view Homosexuality as a remnant of our evolutionary past, from a time when we descended from hermaphroditic sea worms. These creatures where able to take on both male and female genders, depending on the environmental circumstances.

This ambi-sexterity remained an active phenomenon within our amphibious ancestors who were able to still physically change gender to suit mating conditions. As we continued to evolve, sexual selection became more advanced, and the gender differences became more rigid and eventually the ability to physically change gender was lost.....but the physiological remnants of the primal hermaphroditic origin remained within the throwback DNA....and though physically it isn't possible for humans to gender morph, on a psychological level, exposure to certain hormonal, sociological or environmental conditions at the developmental phases, can confuse the very precarious nature of gender differentiation, leading to a partial reversion to the Latent amphibious states of hermaphroditism, which although cannot manifest with a physical gender change, it can be seen in the manifestation of sexual behaviors.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: Sol^Sa on November 30, 2019, 01:17:12 am
Since this thread keeps popping up I thought I'd add a few cents. Funnily a lot of gay dudes I met were seemingly interested in me and quite a lot of them actually from my observation were kind of feminine at least that was my impression. Even my ex-gf noticed that, we were once in a coffee shop and the dude who served the coffee there was gay, she knew that and I didn't so she told me afterwards: "Did you see how he was sticking his butt out or something" haha. The typical feminine stuff like caring a lot about their apperance and so on. At least the gays that I could tell apart easily from heteros are usually quite feminine there may be other "types". Anyway it's not a normal thing for people as we can see the majority is hetero. And I don't see how that would be nature's way of regulating population size because the numbers are way too low. In the end it is hard to guess could have many reasons like nutritional deficiences, infections or whatever, natural intoxication? I mean for example you get exposure to toxic chemicals in nature through volcanoes and such things I was thinking about this the other day. But I think it is very likely that modern conditions like food, chemicals etc. are to blame for the growing numbers of irregular sexual choices. You could look at that and generally the self-harming state of people nowadays in an abstract way and say that is nature's way to reduce population size. Just a bunch of abstract guesses. I can see how it would be very interesting and enjoyable to talk with some of you guys and share some thoughts.

Just checking, but found a contrasting theory that  excess levels of androgens like testosterone in the womb increase the likelihood of male and female homosexuality:-

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/03/000330094644.htm

Couldn't that be because the organism isn't able to keep the levels normal? Anyway there are certain levels needed a lot of people nowadays think the more the better kind of like the capitalists. Excess is the key word.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: Dingeman on November 30, 2019, 06:34:50 pm
I live in a place where there are a lot of homosexuals. Here is what I have noticed so far from being around these people.

A lot of the homosexuals do a lot of drugs or alcohol, usually because they go to parties so much.
These parties are usually gay/queer/whatever parties and attract a lot of like-minded people.
Homosexuals have a lot of casual and experimental sex, they seem to sleep with someone very quickly and also seem to forget about the people they slept with rather quickly. Polyamorous relationships are not uncommon.

In their appearance I would say most are thin and tall. There are some ''ripped'' homosexuals but they are usually on steroids or other drugs. Their feminime appearance is also something worth noting, usually combined with a feminime way of acting as well. Overall they seem to come across as very fake to me.. in the same sense as American TV shows or the average American on TV come across as fake.

I know from some homosexuals I know personally that they suffer from a lot of mental health issues. Anxiety/depression/burn-out, you name it. It could very much be related to their thinness/malnourishment. Something in the gut must be not working the way it should be. I can feel myself getting manlier on this diet so something gut related could cause the opposite to happen.

Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: TylerDurden on November 30, 2019, 10:46:59 pm
Given that foods have become ever more highly processed as we reached the modern age, one would have to assume that there were far more homosexuals nowadays than in ancient times. That does not seem to be correct. Look at  ancient Sparta, for example, which raised boys with young men from c. 12-30(?), with women in similiar homosexual relationships, and then only allowing heterosexual sex/marriage, with the woman being forced to have a boy's haircut so as to not "discourge" her husband on the wedding night.

I am sure there  are many other causes, I just don't view testosterone-levels or health/ill-health as being markers for, ah, "non-mainstream" sexual behaviour. One exception,  though:- most of humanity,   with the increasing exception of  Christian Europe from  c.1100AD to the present day,  indulged in incest to a large extent(mostly cousin-cousin marriages but these were not just for 1 generation, but for countless millennia. That would have, on a genetic level, caused a lot of  ill-health.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: sabertooth on December 01, 2019, 02:27:10 am
Again I hearken back to the hermaphroditic sea worm and amphibian ancestors.

When society artificially segregates the genders during early development and places people within rigid sociological hierarchies, this simulates the same conditions which triggers gender morphing in amphibians. The mere perception of limited mating choices within a sexually segregated society can trigger the activation of latent amphibian hermaphrodite tendencies.

These trends and tendencies caused by the sexual segregation of the youth, can be further aggravated by a number of other factors. The hormonal disruption caused by the plastics, soy and atrazine...as well as the widespread effect of disruption of the pheromone feedback systems with the use systematic enforcement of deodorant and skin microbiol sterilization. Many people are so isolated from the opposite gender while growing up they develop a physical aversion to the natural pheromones of the opposite sex. These mechanisms evolved for the healthy expression of sexual selection have been perverted by the structural hierarchical, sociological conditioning and technological systems of modern society!
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: Dingeman on December 01, 2019, 05:13:27 am
Again I hearken back to the hermaphroditic sea worm and amphibian ancestors.

When society artificially segregates the genders during early development and places people within rigid sociological hierarchies, this simulates the same conditions which triggers gender morphing in amphibians. The mere perception of limited mating choices within a sexually segregated society can trigger the activation of latent amphibian hermaphrodite tendencies.

These trends and tendencies caused by the sexual segregation of the youth, can be further aggravated by a number of other factors. The hormonal disruption caused by the plastics, soy and atrazine...as well as the widespread effect of disruption of the pheromone feedback systems with the use systematic enforcement of deodorant and skin microbiol sterilization. Many people are so isolated from the opposite gender while growing up they develop a physical aversion to the natural pheromones of the opposite sex. These mechanisms evolved for the healthy expression of sexual selection have been perverted by the structural hierarchical, sociological conditioning and technological systems of modern society!

So you say that homosexuals grow up around a lot of women and not ''enough'' men? Or do you mean it the other way around?
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: dariorpl on December 01, 2019, 08:30:33 am
Tyler:

All the ancient examples of rampant deviancy come from societies that were degenerating due to the installment of mob rule to a certain extent, which is what we have today, but we have a much more drastic version than any of them had. And all of them collapsed miserably.

Like the Bible says, this is a sin, and sinners should repent. When the whole society accepts this behavior as normal and healthy and even promotes it and encourages it, or worse yet, it condems the natural and normal behaviors... Well, you get utter and total destruction, because that society is lost.

Nowadays there is more destructive power than ever before in the hands of the degenerates, by several orders of magnitude, so the times we have in front of us are dark and dangerous. The light ultimately prevailed in the past, but this time, I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: goodsamaritan on December 01, 2019, 10:46:29 am
Tyler:

All the ancient examples of rampant deviancy come from societies that were degenerating due to the installment of mob rule to a certain extent, which is what we have today, but we have a much more drastic version than any of them had. And all of them collapsed miserably.

Like the Bible says, this is a sin, and sinners should repent. When the whole society accepts this behavior as normal and healthy and even promotes it and encourages it, or worse yet, it condems the natural and normal behaviors... Well, you get utter and total destruction, because that society is lost.

Nowadays there is more destructive power than ever before in the hands of the degenerates, by several orders of magnitude, so the times we have in front of us are dark and dangerous. The light ultimately prevailed in the past, but this time, I'm not sure.

I subscribe to this thing that history is written by the winners.

Some kind of order will be restored after the collapse.

History will again be written by the winners / survivors.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: goodsamaritan on December 01, 2019, 10:57:47 am
Again I hearken back to the hermaphroditic sea worm and amphibian ancestors.

When society artificially segregates the genders during early development and places people within rigid sociological hierarchies, this simulates the same conditions which triggers gender morphing in amphibians. The mere perception of limited mating choices within a sexually segregated society can trigger the activation of latent amphibian hermaphrodite tendencies.

These trends and tendencies caused by the sexual segregation of the youth, can be further aggravated by a number of other factors. The hormonal disruption caused by the plastics, soy and atrazine...as well as the widespread effect of disruption of the pheromone feedback systems with the use systematic enforcement of deodorant and skin microbiol sterilization. Many people are so isolated from the opposite gender while growing up they develop a physical aversion to the natural pheromones of the opposite sex. These mechanisms evolved for the healthy expression of sexual selection have been perverted by the structural hierarchical, sociological conditioning and technological systems of modern society!

Interesting idea.

Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: sabertooth on December 01, 2019, 12:51:52 pm
So you say that homosexuals grow up around a lot of women and not ''enough'' men? Or do you mean it the other way around?

Gender identity/ sexual orientation in humans is much more nuanced than just the number of male to female ratio, as it is in gender morphing amphibians. While in these primitive animals the physical gender can be altered, in humans this isnt possible. Instead of physically transforming the body to accommodate environmental imbalances, these socially constructed influences profoundly effect the mind and behavior. There is a complexity of factors at work....the suppression of natural pheromone expression, generational hormonal birth control and the sociological cuckolding and suppression of distinctly strong masculine and feminine traits to name a few. These factors can easily offset the precarious balance of sexual selection, which has evolved in human beings to a degree of complexity that is not entirely appreciated or understood by modern science.

The numerical male to female ratio is roughly equivalent in modern society, but the gender perceptions on a biofeedback level has been skewed, male and female traits have been made more and more ambiguous, and so this altered reality becomes the template from which a newfangled sexuality is being spawned.

In wolf hierarchies the Betas will sublimate their sexual drives, and take on more submissive traits. There are actual hormonal changes which have evolved, and correspond to these behavioral changes. In the hive insect world sexuality of the masses of obedient workers is entirely suppressed. There must be similar mechanisms operating within human populations. In these modern dominance hierarchies Alpha Male traits are extremely suppressed by the powers that be, much in the same way the Alpha wolf enforces submissiveness among the betas. This leads to a huge void of masculinity throughout large populations. The men become incrementally more feminized.... as this lack of masculinity triggers females, who naturally seek masculinity to become more masculine in order to fill the void ( much in the same way amphibians will alter gender expression) The larger and more hierarchical the society is the more these tendencies toward a "de-gendering" non reproductive sexuality seems to manifest.

   
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: TylerDurden on December 01, 2019, 05:54:04 pm
Bear in mind that Weston-Price was a man of his times. For example, he also suggested that criminals became criminals because of poor nutrition. This does not make much sense, though. After all, the biggest, most successful criminals in society bare white-collar ones, who, due to their wealth, usually manage to buy their way out of trouble/being convicted etc. I mean, Tony Blair is one of the biggest crooks alive, but he does not seem that malnourished compared to the rest of the population. As regards homosexuality, I see it more as another way of  social bonding rather than sex, as no children are involved(well not between the 2 relevant individuals, anyway). Also, there is a spectrum for many things, so rich people cannot exist without there being poor people, and so on.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: dariorpl on December 01, 2019, 06:45:10 pm
In these modern dominance hierarchies Alpha Male traits are extremely suppressed by the powers that be, much in the same way the Alpha wolf enforces submissiveness among the betas. This leads to a huge void of masculinity throughout large populations. The men become incrementally more feminized.... as this lack of masculinity triggers females, who naturally seek masculinity to become more masculine in order to fill the void ( much in the same way amphibians will alter gender expression) The larger and more hierarchical the society is the more these tendencies toward a "de-gendering" non reproductive sexuality seems to manifest.

There is a well structured plan which among other things, seeks to psychologically castrate and feminize men, while simultaneously masculinizing and whoring women. Along with other factors, this leads to a destruction of the family unit, which is the basis of civilization. Without families, there can be only tyranny and chaos.

Bear in mind that Weston-Price was a man of his times. For example, he also suggested that criminals became criminals because of poor nutrition. This does not make much sense, though. After all, the biggest, most successful criminals in society bare white-collar ones, who, due to their wealth, usually manage to buy their way out of trouble/being convicted etc. I mean, Tony Blair is one of the biggest crooks alive, but he does not seem that malnourished compared to the rest of the population.

Again, you are missing the forest for the trees. Yes there are some smart criminals, but on average, criminals are much, much dumber than average. Poor nutrition impairs brain development.

As regards homosexuality, I see it more as another way of  social bonding rather than sex, as no children are involved(well not between the 2 relevant individuals, anyway).

This way of social bonding strongly stifles or prevents the forming of families and procreation. As such it is the opposite of God's plan, and to promote it is actually doing Satan's work, whether one knows it or not.

Also, there is a spectrum for many things, so rich people cannot exist without there being poor people, and so on.

That depends entirely on how you define the terms. Also, without giving some sort of explanation as to the mechanism or relationship between the rich and poor, you are failing to make an argument of substance.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: sabertooth on December 02, 2019, 02:13:12 am
There is a well structured plan which among other things, seeks to psychologically castrate and feminize men, while simultaneously masculinizing and whoring women. Along with other factors, this leads to a destruction of the family unit, which is the basis of civilization. Without families, there can be only tyranny and chaos.


I wouldn't refer to it as a plan, machinated by some sort of evil mastermind....Both the (rich and poor), (saint and whore) are in many ways at the mercy of these cosmic whims.....humancentric worldviews tend to look for ways to blame and scapegoat fellow beings for our shared predicaments...we tend to anthropomorphize the flow of cosmic change into demons and divinities....but, instead of judging these things personally, there are more impersonal forces at play which shape the all too human dynamics. Just as the hive insects mutually agreed to subvert their sexual individuality in exchange for the security and honey provided by their society, so are hive human also abandoning gender and familial roles in order to join the greater hive structure being constructed. Its not just the case that families are being destroyed, the entire family construct is being spirited away from the nuclear matter/patter/offspring model, and moved more toward these hive super societal structures, where regardless whatever ways people manage to reproduce, the offspring will be brought into a collective, where they will be conditioned from an early age to identify more with the superstructure itself rather than individuals who acted as the biological parents.

In strange ways these new superstructures are self regulating organisms that are evolving as well as seeking some fashion of homeostasis. Personally I feel saddened by the loss of the more primal ways of living within the old family structures. There is a deeply tragic feeling of nostalgia and a disheartening sense that this brave new world does not give a damn for such sentimentalism. Despite such fatalistic cynicism here we are, and at least for the time being certain sections of the population who hold on to the old ways, will still be able to live and reproduce in accordance to their natural drives. Even from within the heart of Mordor this invisible hand guided by impersonal forces will continue to cultivate such heirloom people, who are able to live, love, and transcend the forces of tyranny.

There may indeed be a method to the shuffling madness, and it will forever take all kinds to make a world. Given enough time and "progress" such thoughts, sentiments and views will likely be banished to obsolete obscurity..... but just perhaps in case Babylon fails to bring forth a stabilized hive humanity, out of the ruins the survivors still endowed with the antiquated relics of this primal spirit, will be able to reincarnate the form of humanity needed to carry us on to whatever destiny awaits.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: dariorpl on December 02, 2019, 05:57:18 am
I wouldn't refer to it as a plan, machinated by some sort of evil mastermind....Both the (rich and poor), (saint and whore) are in many ways at the mercy of these cosmic whims.....humancentric worldviews tend to look for ways to blame and scapegoat fellow beings for our shared predicaments...we tend to anthropomorphize the flow of cosmic change into demons and divinities....but, instead of judging these things personally, there are more impersonal forces at play which shape the all too human dynamics. Just as the hive insects mutually agreed to subvert their sexual individuality in exchange for the security and honey provided by their society, so are hive human also abandoning gender and familial roles in order to join the greater hive structure being constructed. Its not just the case that families are being destroyed, the entire family construct is being spirited away from the nuclear matter/patter/offspring model, and moved more toward these hive super societal structures, where regardless whatever ways people manage to reproduce, the offspring will be brought into a collective, where they will be conditioned from an early age to identify more with the superstructure itself rather than individuals who acted as the biological parents.

In strange ways these new superstructures are self regulating organisms that are evolving as well as seeking some fashion of homeostasis. Personally I feel saddened by the loss of the more primal ways of living within the old family structures. There is a deeply tragic feeling of nostalgia and a disheartening sense that this brave new world does not give a damn for such sentimentalism. Despite such fatalistic cynicism here we are, and at least for the time being certain sections of the population who hold on to the old ways, will still be able to live and reproduce in accordance to their natural drives. Even from within the heart of Mordor this invisible hand guided by impersonal forces will continue to cultivate such heirloom people, who are able to live, love, and transcend the forces of tyranny.

There may indeed be a method to the shuffling madness, and it will forever take all kinds to make a world. Given enough time and "progress" such thoughts, sentiments and views will likely be banished to obsolete obscurity..... but just perhaps in case Babylon fails to bring forth a stabilized hive humanity, out of the ruins the survivors still endowed with the antiquated relics of this primal spirit, will be able to reincarnate the form of humanity needed to carry us on to whatever destiny awaits.

Hive insects in a colony are all siblings in a big family, and their genes have evolved over millions of generations to sustain a hive structure.

Humans can to an extent act like a hive with respect to their family (only to an extent), but when you try to apply that method of social interaction to a whole society of thousands or worse yet, millions of people, what you get is communism, which is public slavery, and inevitably leads to tyranny, chaos and the megadeaths.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: Dingeman on December 02, 2019, 08:14:19 pm
Bear in mind that Weston-Price was a man of his times. For example, he also suggested that criminals became criminals because of poor nutrition. This does not make much sense, though. After all, the biggest, most successful criminals in society bare white-collar ones, who, due to their wealth, usually manage to buy their way out of trouble/being convicted etc. I mean, Tony Blair is one of the biggest crooks alive, but he does not seem that malnourished compared to the rest of the population. As regards homosexuality, I see it more as another way of  social bonding rather than sex, as no children are involved(well not between the 2 relevant individuals, anyway). Also, there is a spectrum for many things, so rich people cannot exist without there being poor people, and so on.

I think it was found that criminals on average had much lower cholesterol. The same for vegans. The malnourishment or cholesterol deficiency could explain their violent/criminal tendencies.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: TylerDurden on December 02, 2019, 09:53:52 pm
Errm, unless you can prove that vegans are more likely to commit crimes, this makes no sense.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: sabertooth on December 02, 2019, 10:16:51 pm
Hive insects in a colony are all siblings in a big family, and their genes have evolved over millions of generations to sustain a hive structure.

Humans can to an extent act like a hive with respect to their family (only to an extent), but when you try to apply that method of social interaction to a whole society of thousands or worse yet, millions of people, what you get is communism, which is public slavery, and inevitably leads to tyranny, chaos and the megadeaths.

I dont disagree with this prognosis, yet perhaps the periodic cycles of tyranny, chaos, and megadeaths are in someway necessary to winnow out the overgrowth and dead wood from the species, so that out of this struggle between the individual and the collective a more robust and dynamic humanity will evolve.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: TylerDurden on December 03, 2019, 01:22:48 am
Err, I do NOT agree that war  always weeds out the worst. For one thing, WW1 for England was voluntary at first, so that all the bravest men went to war, while the cowards stayed at home and saved their own lives for a time, until forced consscription came up. Even then, the wiliest cowards would take on jobs like quartermaster etc. in order to avoid fighting on the front-lines. Indeed, there's a theory that ww1 and ww2 acted like a major dysgenics programme on some of the human race.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: dariorpl on December 03, 2019, 03:02:01 am
Errm, unless you can prove that vegans are more likely to commit crimes, this makes no sense.

Vegans are overwhelmingly white, upper middle class and female. These 3 categories *separatedly* commit crime at a rate that is around 10-15% of that which the rest of the population has. Combine all 3, and you've got a group that should be committing less than 1% as many crimes as the rest of the population.

Also, vegans are not necessarily the most malnourished or even the most cholesterol deficient, plenty of non-vegans have a less nutritious diet than vegans do; and there is no reason to assume that only malnourishment is what leads to crime, nor that cholesterol deficiency is what leads to crime. If anything, it is a factor among many. It doesn't mean it's not true, however.

I dont disagree with this prognosis, yet perhaps the periodic cycles of tyranny, chaos, and megadeaths are in someway necessary to winnow out the overgrowth and dead wood from the species, so that out of this struggle between the individual and the collective a more robust and dynamic humanity will evolve.

Except that during such scenarios, it's not necessarily the strong, the healthy, the smart and the good that survive and reproduce. Often it is the weak, the sick, the dumb and the evil.

Err, I do NOT agree that war  always weeds out the worst. For one thing, WW1 for England was voluntary at first, so that all the bravest men went to war, while the cowards stayed at home and saved their own lives for a time, until forced consscription came up. Even then, the wiliest cowards would take on jobs like quartermaster etc. in order to avoid fighting on the front-lines. Indeed, there's a theory that ww1 and ww2 acted like a major dysgenics programme on some of the human race.

Agreed.

All one has to do is look at which continents WW1 and WW2 were mostly fought in.

While I concur that locally, there was likely a disgenic effect from these conflicts (except in some cases); globally there was clearly a massive disgenic effect.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: TylerDurden on December 03, 2019, 03:07:18 am
One of the explanations for the collapse of the Roman Empire and successive Chinese Empires was regular plagues, among other notions. Then there was the Taiping Rebellion in China which wiped out a huge number of people.


 Vegans can often be lower-middle-class and male. There is a "thing" called a "hipster" which is a vegan, woke male with a finely-tuned beard, they are , sadly, very common over here.  Also, vegans often eat very nasty, highly-processed meat-substitutes, which are even worse than most modern fast-foods.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: dariorpl on December 03, 2019, 03:14:50 am
Vegans can often be lower-middle-class and male.

They can be, but most of them are not.

There is a "thing" called a "hipster" which is a vegan, woke male with a finely-tuned beard, they are , sadly, very common over here.  Also, vegans often eat very nasty, highly-processed meat-substitutes, which are even worse than most modern fast-foods.

Not sure about Austria or the UK, but I'm pretty sure that "hipster" implies upper middle class in the US. In any case, some vegans eat that way, most only eat that way on occasion, and their diets can still be healthier than some of the lower classes. Also, and most importantly, most vegans haven't been vegan their whole life. They started up with good nutrition (by comparative standards to the rest of modern society) for the first 15-20 years of their life, before deciding to become vegan. All of the essential nutrients required for brain development were likely acquired by then, and as much as they can screw up their diet afterwards, it's more a matter of maintenance than building.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: sabertooth on December 04, 2019, 11:45:00 am


Except that during such scenarios, it's not necessarily the strong, the healthy, the smart and the good that survive and reproduce. Often it is the weak, the sick, the dumb and the evil.


Again, I will agree with such Exception, but must insist that I am attempting to express something that goes beyond the old tropes regarding the survival of the fittest farce.

I never subscribed to Darwin, and never accepted the doctrine of "natural selection" or "survival of the fittest" as the driving force of evolution. I hold the view that Evolution is guided by as of yet discovered morphogenetic energy fields, and bio-feed back systems, that work in accord with a higher intelligence to create and evolve within a synergistic and symbiotic universe, where eternal living electricity is the only true force.

Bare with the hyperbole, conjecture, and wistful thinking as I attempt to play the Devils advocate in challenging some basic presumptions! 

The phenomenon of how human folly such as war and birth control, winnows out the "Fittest' is still an opinion and one that will never be entirely agreed upon. Perhaps the brave and strong is not what humanity needs to move forward, and so the whims of the great super natural order manifested the world wars, in order to cull those qualities out of the human race. The survivors of the wars, though not physically strong or very brave, never the less were the kind of people who were much more fitted to the next phase of human development, in which such large numbers of strong and Brave humans may have been a hindrance to the emergence of this technologically advanced Global hive collective.

Back to the bees, we can see the stingers and venom were developed as survival mechanisms in a genocidal world of warfare, on par with any atrocity of human war. They banded together against the cannibalistic attacks from other gangs and found strength in numbers....but in order to build their collective strength, each individual had to be willing to sacrifice themselves to the collective. Even after millions of years of this subjugation some renegade worker bees will still attempt to covertly lay their own eggs and illegally express their own sexuality, and those who are discovered are executed by the enforcers.

This isn't meant to suggest that humans will literally eventually evolve into hive insects, its only to illustrate the A-sexualizing tendencies, sexual morphology and breeding regulatory systems which are seen in many types of social hierarchical species animals. In this view, judgement of good and evil do not even begin to apply. How the DNA manages to transmit, reincarnate, and evolve is beyond moral judgment. All mammals evolved from hermaphroditic penis fencing rapist worms, so it should be no surprise that things would get even weirder from there.

Yet all weirdness and wondering aside, there is a push pull, give take, and mutual balanced interchange throughout the cosmos. The dynamic between individual and collective will forever be at Play. Survival of the fittest dogma will always be confounded by the survival of the symbiotic . Creation and evolution is a one in the same phenomenon, regardless of what side you take the great mystery will remain. The agnostic will continue to ask, how can anyone begin to say that the methods used to spark this divinity, could ever be known....
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: TylerDurden on December 04, 2019, 02:54:40 pm
It's not a case of survival of the fittest, not since the start of the Neolithic eras, at any rate. More like survival of the fattest.
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: goodsamaritan on December 04, 2019, 04:45:06 pm
It's not a case of survival of the fittest, not since the start of the Neolithic eras, at any rate. More like survival of the fattest.

How about?

It's survival of the handsomest /  strongest / richest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFnJMPQow7A
The Red Pill on what attracts women: Looks, Money, Status: BRUTAL

21st century dating / reproduction

The thesis of this channel
https://www.youtube.com/user/FACEandLMS/featured
FACEandLMS

Is that WOMEN look for MALE BEAUTY much much more than MEN look for female beauty.

There's also Money and Status... but personality? Pickup game?  Not so.

So there are and have always been plenty of INCELs.

So if there are even more INCELs today in the 21st century... do they turn to homosexuality?

Women share good looking men, women are not into that monogamy thing.

Or are the powers that be pushing the homosexual agenda for their population control thing?
Title: Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
Post by: sabertooth on December 05, 2019, 01:52:21 am
It's not a case of survival of the fittest, not since the start of the Neolithic eras, at any rate. More like survival of the fattest.





Survival of the Phat-est.  8)

This element of coolness was never factored into Darwinist equations..... the ability of the human being to quickly and deftly perceive and adapt to nuanced challenges. The word "fittest" is practically meaningless within the context of what makes one form worthy of survival over another. The truth is that there is many roads to survival, and many differing directions can be considered legitimate paths for evolution to follow, depending on where exactly the spirit wants to go. The high road of the strong, intelligent, and Nobel warrior sage, my be judged as superior to that of the lowly knave. The lion as the apex predator may be more revered than the bottom feeding scavengers....and yet the knave and scavenger traits persist through the whole of the natural world with the same degree of suitability as the alpha class.

These separate niches give allowance for variance and coexistence of opposites within a larger culture. This multilateral arrangement gives all of life its awesome vitality, and the human being is at a unique position where it is possible for each individual to live in a number of variant "polymorphic", multidimensional, and ambiguous ways. The cool people are able to utilize many of these powers to adapt to whatever situation presents. The human predicament and perhaps the whole of nature is best described as a balancing act, where we have been walking along the razors edge, some situations may require one to take a submissive pose in order to not be ostracized by social justice warriors, while other times the weasel mind is employed to deceptively win over the amours of a much prized hard to get type of love, and there are occasions still when it is absolutely necessary to stand up and say Fuck You, I wont do what you tell Me.

The epitome of the modern Renaissance "person", would Ideally, be capable of exercising a healthy balance of all these polymorphic traits, in a way that flows easily from situation to situation, changing fortuitously with the times while bending the rules of the societal game to your own whims without feeling forced to constantly have to suppress ones own inner nature.