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Raw Paleo Diet to Suit You => Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet => Topic started by: goodsamaritan on December 16, 2010, 09:32:52 pm
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I saw some dates in my in laws' refrigerator today.
They tasted pretty good.
I remember the vegan promoter Dr. Tam Mateo promote dates.
How about you? Are dates raw? Do they do you any good?
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I like them TOO much! They are very addictive. Probably in very moderate qnt could be good but It is very difficult to get "stop" signal. According to inflammation index they are very much pro-inflammation (if belive source of info). IMHO, I drop them for good...
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I like em with tea! someone told me once that its good for your testicles or something haha
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The various dates I've eaten always resulted in some weird black gunge coming out of the side of my eyes, for a few days afterwards, making it look, bizarrely, as though I was wearing some sort of mascara or eyeshadow which was coming off. I figure, there must be nasty chemicals in them. Plus, I vaguely recall someone claiming that all commercial dates sold are invariably steamed beforehand - not sure re this, though.
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I've had raw undried dates a couple of times..they're a yellow fruit, bland and mealy Ok but nothing special. I like the dried medjool dates. I might eat some organic ones for Christmas.
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Most commercial dates are treated either by steam, deep freezing (Californian dates) or a gas to kill the insects that could be on it. Some are even coated with glucose. The only dates I trust are the ones from Orkos. They have about 20 varieties !
http://store.orkos.com/eng/raw-food/dates.html (http://store.orkos.com/eng/raw-food/dates.html)
I don't have any problems with them, as long as I'm careful to stop at the slightest feeling of "too sweet" starting to be unpleasant in the mouth, and also as long as they are not eaten in the same meal with meat or other animal food. It's better to eat it alone.
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Wow 20 kinds :o
I prefer prunes because they are less sweet but some dates can be real good.
I recently got the "Fresh Dates" from Moshkan brand ( http://www.moshkandate.com ), from Iran... they are the Rotab Mozafati type, like this from your site: http://store.orkos.com/eng/raw-food/dates/date-mozafati-soft.html
I think it could be from the same guy.
I don't know how raw they are but looking at the site they use no pesticides and grow them traditionally. They look pretty raw/fresh to me and sure taste like it, insanely sweet though, it competes with honey, I could only eat one or two. The "skin" looks nice and clean, not crystallized. It leaves a nice "burn" in my mouth after, like so sweet its spicy -d
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I've had raw undried dates a couple of times..they're a yellow fruit, bland and mealy Ok but nothing special. I like the dried medjool dates. I might eat some organic ones for Christmas.
I've eaten the dried organic medjool dates quite a bit, before. I would be surprised if they weren't steamed.
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I could only eat one or two. The "skin" looks nice and clean, not crystallized. It leaves a nice "burn" in my mouth after, like so sweet its spicy -d
Mozafati dates are really sweet and tasty! This producer looks good, and if you can't eat more than one or two, they are most probably raw and ok.
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I've had raw undried dates a couple of times..they're a yellow fruit, bland and mealy Ok but nothing special. I like the dried medjool dates. I might eat some organic ones for Christmas.
I've also eaten these yellow undried dates. You need to leave them on the counter for at least few weeks (possibly longer), and they will eventually become soft and dark brown and quite tasty and sweet. They're no good when hard and yellow.
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I had fresh dates in Jordan. There is a red and yellow variety I tried. They are somehwat bitter if they have some green. As they ripen that strt to turn black/brown and soft and sweet. The red and yellow have a very distnct taste. The red having a stronger stop signal for me also. I like the yellow more. I also had a smaller hard date, not soft and seemed more what a wild date would be like. Thin flesh and very hard.
These are fresh one I had on the upper right hand.
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r85/Junts2005/Meals-Diet/DSCN4700.jpg)
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Fresh dates with a bit of ripening are the best way to go. I like them when they are crunchy but start to get little black spots. dates are good at all stages. In a desert people would have experienced all the stages of dates. Fresh, fresh with black spots, fresh fully black soft and sweet. Then finally dried date.
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In Jordan they had a name for fresh date which sounded like "bellehh". Dried date was called something like "temer".
I am just spelling it out the way it sounded.
Cool they had 2 names for dried and fresh.
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Aye, and those grapes had seeds!!!!!!!!! ???
All the grapes I had there had seeds!
Edit: and the bananas were bland surprisingly
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Aye, and those grapes had seeds!!!!!!!!! ???
All the grapes I had there had seeds!
Edit: and the bananas were bland surprisingly
I have never quite figured out how to eat grapes with seeds in them.
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In Europe, almost all the grapes have seeds! You eat the whole grape with its seeds, what's the hell?
Yes, fresh dates are delicious.
Beautiful fruits platter, by the way, Sully!
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Yeah you can eat the whole grape but its easy to spit the seeds out as you eat them, they are kinda bitter seeds.
I had no idea people didn't know how to eat grapes though, lol ;D
The bananas were bland? hmmm so far all bananas seem pretty bland to me, they don't have any strong taste as I remember.
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Yeah, I just swallow the seeds, sometime sthey get munched by accident.
@yuli It's just was not as sweet as other bananas. It was local, they grow some bananas there. Perhaps the soil or variety. I was surprised, expecting it to be really sweet at the ripeness it was.
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I love dates, but I'll only eat two or three at the most. They are so incredibly sweet to me. I'll take them if my energy wanes, or to hold me over until I can eat a meal.
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I love the taste of good quality raw dates (about 20$ per kilo)
They are indeed very sweet.
AFAIK gladiators in Ancient Rome ate a lot of dates.
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I love grapes with seeds. It's so fun to collect a bunch in my cheeks and spit them out. It seems a lot of times though I accidentally buy the seedless kind and I get disappointed.
Dates are also fun because I like carrying the pits around in my mouth for a little while, rolling them around a bit before I spit them out. I like the texture on my gums and cheeks.
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Dates are also fun because I like carrying the pits around in my mouth for a little while, rolling them around a bit before I spit them out. I like the texture on my gums and cheeks.
I LOVE DATE PITS XD I will also chew them and play with them in my mouth, I love how they are covered with these stringy things and this kinda velvety skin, fun.
Have you tried the little wine grapes, they are tiny round black grapes and the flesh is kinda neon green with huge seeds in it. They are tarty and sour yet sweet - very nice.
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a lot of dates.
Sounds like a good source for high amounts of raw carbs.
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Because they are sooo high in sugar, they will cause a lot of inflammation if you over eat them. The key with dates is moderation. Eat a very small handfull at once no more than that. And eat them slowly.
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Isn't it AV's favorite fruit? I don't mean for recommending, but for himself.
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I prefer raw dates over dried ones. The best time to eat them is when they become overripe/dark(skin should be removed), fresher and less sugar-dense than dried dates.
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I just bought expensive dates in an indian grocery and the sellers there say it comes from Saudi Arabia. Expensive. Great tasting. Sweet in the end, so I can't eat too much. 2 pieces is enough.
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After reading Iguana's post about all the things that can be done to dates, I did a little research and sent some questions out to the main company that I see selling dates in all the stories. They are california mejdool dates. This is what he said:
Dear Bobby:
Our medjool dates are fumigated with PROFUME agricultural approved food
fumigant.
In addition, dependent upon the time of the year, the dates may have been
stored in freezer storage, but this measure is not to kill insects but to
preserve the dates freshness.
Our dates are never coated with glucose or any other substance.
Thank you for your kind inquiry.
I also contacted the Organic dried Figs that I find and they said they deep freeze their products for 14 days a time TWICE in order to kill pests. I assume they can't use other fumigants like the non organic fruits may have.
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Thanks Bobby, that confirms and completes the info I previously had. I knew Californian organic dates are deep frozen, but I didn’t know they do it twice. That’s no so good, but I guess not too bad neither since dry dates contain almost no water. Only Orkos guarantee that their Californian dates have not been deep frozen.
AFAIK, steaming and glucose coating is applied on some North African deglet noor dates. It can be easily spotted because they are shining.
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two days ago i blended ( in a food processor ):
dates
agave nectar
brazil nuts
raw eggs
whey protein
into a super delicious sweet cream. it tasted like ice cream on steroids. super rich taste and super rich texture - just awesome.
i basically was going off of Ani Phyo's habit of blending ( in a food processor ) dates with brazil nuts, but of course i am not a vegan so i put a couple raw eggs and a truck load of whey protein in as well - then it wasn't sweet enough so i added a bit of agave nectar and it was perfect.
yeah whey protein is not paleo, but it is relatively raw and makes things ultra creamy.
eggs, whey protein and brazil nuts together create the texture for the creme. you add dates and agave for sweetness and flavor.
since i got the food processor on monday i already gained like 5 pounds of weight, and this despite working out every day. oh well, i knew this was gonna happen.
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Sounds like a good source for high amounts of raw carbs.
garbage carbs.
but ... they taste good.
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I eventually got sick of dates and I feel I don't want to touch them for a very long time.
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Excerpts from Date - A Wonder Fruit of Arabia (http://ezinearticles.com/?Date---A-Wonder-Fruit-of-Arabia&id=1527461)
Dates are the fruits of the date palm tree which is a food of high nutritional value. They are used abundantly in the month of Ramadan when Muslims fast from dawn to dusk. The sweetness of the date takes the edge off hunger and this is another reason why fasts are opened with dates. This prevents a person from overeating after he has opened his fast.
Dates contain calcium, sulphur, iron, potassium, phosphorus, manganese, copper, magnesium, volatile oils, Vitamin-B6, folic acid, Potassium, Iron and Magnesium, proteins, sugars, vitamins and are rich in natural fibers which contribute to a healthy body and mind.
Dates provides natural sugar in the form of glucose and fructose which is ready for immediate absorption and, is infinitely far superior to cane-sugar.
Eating dates has great benefits which can be illustrated as follows:
Prevents Cancer: Dates are very nutritious and contain natural fibres. Modern medicine has shown that they are effective in preventing abdominal cancer. In general Bedouin Arabs, who eat them on a regular basis, show an extremely low incidence rate of cancer.
Weak heart: Dates are an excellent remedy for weak heart. Dates soaked overnight should be taken twice a week which strengthens the heart.
Bedouin Arabs who regularly consume dates have shown an extremely low rate of heart disease.
Treatment for Obesity: The wide variety of nutritious elements in dates makes it hunger-resistive! So treatment by eating few dates when feeling hungry helps reduce hunger and be filled. These dates will provide the body with the necessary sugar and stimulate the intestine which reduce hunger greatly, and eventually, reduce food consumption.
Eases child-birth: Eating dates eases the pain of childbirth. Scientifically they are known to contain hormones which strengthen the uterus, help produce milk for nursing mothers and also prevent blood loss after childbirth. (The ripe fruit contains a substance that urges uterine spasms and increases contractions especially in the time of delivery. This substance resembles 'oxytocin' that is secreted by pituitary gland, which encourages contractions of the uterus. Dates contain some stimulants which strengthen the muscles of the uterus in the last months of pregnancy. This helps the dilation of the uterus at the time of delivery and reduces post-natal bleeding).
Ideal for breast-feeding mothers: Dieticians consider dates the best food for breast-feeding mothers. This is because dates contain elements that assist in alleviating depression and enrich the breast milk with the nutrients needed to make the child healthy and resistant to disease.
Bones: Calcium is important for strong bones so this is an additional benefit that dates provide. As dates are rich in calcium, they contribute to healthy bones. For this reason it is recommended that children and older adults, especially women, eat plenty of dates to strengthen their bones.
Modern science has also proved the effectiveness of dates, in preventing diseases of the respiratory system.
Intestinal Disturbances: Eating dates in the morning on an empty stomach kills intestinal worms and other parasites, for dates have an antidotal potency which restrains their growth. According to Metchnikoff, a great Russian scientist, liberal use of dates keeps in check the growth of pathological organisms and helps to establish a colony of friendly bacteria in the intestines.
Improves Eye sight: Dates are also important in maintaining good vision and are effective in guarding against night-blindness.
Cures constipation: Dates are also highly beneficial in the treatment of constipation as the roughage provided by it stimulates sluggish bowels.
Remedy for Liver and Inflammations: Dates remedy Lever and purge it from toxins, Breaking the fast with dates, is one of the most magnificent of natural remedies for the maintenance and purging the liver from accumulated toxins.
Children's Disease: Dates tied to a wrist of the baby and allowed to be sucked during teething period hardens the gums and also prevents other complaints like restlessness and diarrhea.
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I don't stop eating fresh medjool dates.... I try to be moderate about it. A few a day or every couple days.
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Serious American raw vegans get their dates from The Date People. They are raw, unheated and untreated.
Here's a video of someone from the date people climbing one of their trees. The music is a little out of place here - but you can see how naturally they do things.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIVDGcW6V2E&feature=player_embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIVDGcW6V2E&feature=player_embedded#)!
Here's their statement of how they raise their dates:
http://datepeople.net/why-these-dates-are-different (http://datepeople.net/why-these-dates-are-different)
Dates are one of my "sacred" foods.
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dorothy check out these dates, i had the pleasure to sell about 9 varieties of them at market :)
http://flyingdiscranch.com/ (http://flyingdiscranch.com/)
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The music is a little out of place here - but you can see how naturally they do things.
Eh? Why is it out of place?
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dorothy check out these dates, i had the pleasure to sell about 9 varieties of them at market :)
http://flyingdiscranch.com/ (http://flyingdiscranch.com/)
Their permaculture farming practices sound amazing! Where on the site do they address the heat and spraying issues?
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Eh? Why is it out of place?
It's about being vegetarian Phil! At the very beginning "jump on the vegan wagon".
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you should just call em, they are biodynamic, i doubt they spray or heat anything, i was goign to be able to go help pick but had to stay back at the farm, didnt even think to ask because honestly my friends who sell them in AZ(sleepingfrogfarms.com!)are by far the most conscious farmers i know and dont use any chemicals....only microorganisms, some clove and mum extracts and mineral....no crazy bacterial (BT!) chems or anything...:)
we sold the dates still on the stem for the holidays, so pretty:) and as i recall one of the farmers used em for raw chocolates soo..yeah guessing they are raw
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Still on the stems must be really awesome. I would LOVE to get one of those!
Next time I order dates I will indeed call them. Thanks very much for the point in their direction Jessica.
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Quote from: PaleoPhil on Yesterday at 10:47:23 pm
Eh? Why is it out of place?
It's about being vegetarian Phil! At the very beginning "jump on the vegan wagon".
I got that the song is vegan, I'm just not getting how that is out of place for a vegan video. Do you mean the song lyrics would need to specify raw vegan to be appropriate? Not that it matters much, just curious.
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I got that the song is vegan, I'm just not getting how that is out of place for a vegan video. Do you mean the song lyrics would need to specify raw vegan to be appropriate? Not that it matters much, just curious.
Nah - I just meant that this is a pretty carnivorous forum and a song in praise of veganism isn't exactly what one would expect in these parts. I like the song myself (happy song - good beat) - but more so the video with that guy carrying around that outrageously long ladder by himself straight up in the air! I also liked the apparatus he used. When I was visiting Barbados there was this local young man that wanted to sell me a coconut. We followed him to his neighbors house where he shimmied up a very tall palm with nothing but a pocket knife and I got the freshest coconut I ever had. I love to see that kind of useful, natural athleticism and balance.
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oh man, when I first tried dates a couple ramadans ago, I was so addicted to them, they were absolutely delicious.. I could have ate them all day long. I have no idea if they were steamed or frozen or glucose coated, I just know I got organic ones, and they might have been local too, but then I do live in california.. but then one day I started ripping the dates open to pull out the seeds before eating them and found that quite a few of them had a whole bunch of eggs stuck to the inside wall of them always with a dead worm.. and it made me feel so sick to my stomach to think of how many worms and worm eggs I must have eaten, I just couldn't eat them anymore, and I haven't ate any since. I'm pretty sure I'll never be able to warm up to the idea of eating any sort of insects.
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When I was visiting Barbados there was this local young man that wanted to sell me a coconut. We followed him to his neighbors house where he shimmied up a very tall palm with nothing but a pocket knife and I got the freshest coconut I ever had. I love to see that kind of useful, natural athleticism and balance.
This comment reminds me of tree-climbing by Movnat Paleo dieters I've since seen in videos.
and found that quite a few of them had a whole bunch of eggs stuck to the inside wall of them always with a dead worm
Yummy and nutritious! When chimps get a worm in a fruit, I'll bet they consider it a bonus prize. :)
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oh man, when I first tried dates a couple ramadans ago, I was so addicted to them, they were absolutely delicious.. I could have ate them all day long. I have no idea if they were steamed or frozen or glucose coated, I just know I got organic ones, and they might have been local too, but then I do live in california.. but then one day I started ripping the dates open to pull out the seeds before eating them and found that quite a few of them had a whole bunch of eggs stuck to the inside wall of them always with a dead worm.. and it made me feel so sick to my stomach to think of how many worms and worm eggs I must have eaten, I just couldn't eat them anymore, and I haven't ate any since. I'm pretty sure I'll never be able to warm up to the idea of eating any sort of insects.
I happily eat fruit with worms. Gives me the warm fuzzy comfort feeling that these were not drowned in pesticides.
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or frozen or heat treated....
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or frozen or heat treated....
exactly. It's extra protein and fat, very fresh.
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I know I should have figured it as a good thing that meant pesticides had not been overused on the fruit, which I did consider even as I was being grossed out by it, however that doesn't rule out freezing or heat treating seeing how in every single one of them the worms were always completely dead.
And even though eating raw meat has never grossed me out in my life, it still grosses me out to even think of eating any sort of bugs! -v