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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: King Salmon on January 04, 2011, 01:34:58 am
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I came across this post on a question/answer forum :
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_raw_honey_feed_Candida
It talks about raw honey being an invert sugar so it doesn't feed candida.Anyone here can explain further or have experience with this?
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I wonder if too much protein, which are converted to glucose, feed candida.
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I wonder if too much protein, which are converted to glucose, feed candida.
yeah maybe.That's why I'm hedging my bets and going with high-fat meats(adding coconut oil to boost), and no organ meats(too much carb not enough fat) for the time being.
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Gee, you exaggerate.
Carbs haven't got anything to do with this problem.
Besides it's quite often rediculous when people, who aren't profesionally diagnosed, think that they've got some candida-problems, when in fact they have got some other issues.
Have you got this? -
(http://www.grzybica.net.pl/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/kandzdoya-jamz-ustnej-11-300x214.jpg)
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no organ meats(too much carb not enough fat) for the time being.
Oh God! ;D
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Oh God! ;D
haha...I know,I know :)
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are you going to take seriously every anonymous post? without any data or references to back it up?
ok, this is bunch of nonsense because this so called invert sugar is simply the mixture of fructose and glucose, the same sugar found in fruits and vegetables (to a lesser degree).
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Gee, you exaggerate.
Carbs haven't got anything to do with this problem.
wow l)
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Gee, you exaggerate.
Carbs haven't got anything to do with this problem.
Besides it's quite often rediculous when people, who aren't profesionally diagnosed, think that they've got some candida-problems, when in fact they have got some other issues.
Have you got this? -
(http://www.grzybica.net.pl/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/kandzdoya-jamz-ustnej-11-300x214.jpg)
I kind of agree. I bet there's a very large amount of people who believe they have candida when it is really in fact something else causing the same symptoms of candida. There are so many people who go on an anti-candida diet with either no results or worsening of their condition. I was convinced that I had candida for years, and now that I've been eating large amounts of Raw Honey everyday, everything has improved..
I think Raw Honey is wonderful, but I can't say I know if it really is an "inverted sugar".
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I kind of agree. I bet there's a very large amount of people who believe they have candida when it is really in fact something else causing the same symptoms of candida. There are so many people who go on an anti-candida diet with either no results or worsening of their condition. I was convinced that I had candida for years, and now that I've been eating large amounts of Raw Honey everyday, everything has improved..
I think Raw Honey is wonderful, but I can't say I know if it really is an "inverted sugar".
Yeah,I noticed that you and Brady are doing well on honey.Were you guys mis-diagnosed or something? Because that's definately not my issue.
Btw,it seems that Sabertooth and myself are doing well on coconut oil/butter.I guess one man's food is another's poison. -d
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Btw,it seems that Sabertooth and myself are doing well on coconut oil/butter.I guess one man's food is another's poison. -d
Too right. I got the most agonising stomach-aches within minutes of consuming any raw coconut oil. That stuff was even more painful for me than the effect of cooked animal foods way back when I started the rawpalaeodiet.
Well, any sensible person will experiment to see what works best for them, RVAF-wise.
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It talks about raw honey being an invert sugar so it doesn't feed candida.Anyone here can explain further or have experience with this?
Noting Brady's success with raw honey I've experimented over the weekend to see if adding a bit of honey causes a reaction in me or not. Unfortunately it does seem to spur the same brain fog & itchy skin in me which are my initial signs. For me it's not any more suitable of a carb source as fruit.
I wonder if too much protein, which are converted to glucose, feed candida.
That's what occurs in me. It's why I do so much better with one, or usually more commonly two, meals a day. If I eat more meals than that I get light dulling of my senses and over time the Tinea Versicolor I have on my skin, which seems tied into the underlying Candida virulence, flares up.
Gee, you exaggerate.
Carbs haven't got anything to do with this problem.
Besides it's quite often rediculous when people, who aren't profesionally diagnosed, think that they've got some candida-problems, when in fact they have got some other issues.
Have you got this? -
[img]http://www.grzybica.net.pl/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/kandzdoya-jamz-ustnej-11-300x214.jpg[img]
I have to find the blood work but I do believe I came back positive for Candida. I do know that I did have it systemically. My tongue was not quite that bad but it did have noticeable white build-up/thrush.
What I can confirm is that the proliferation Candida fungus most definitely has a correlation with available carbohydrates in the body. As noted though this isn't solely ingested carbohydrates but also unnecessary/underutilized proteins.
Well, any sensible person will experiment to see what works best for them, RVAF-wise.
Agreed. :)
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What I can confirm is that the proliferation Candida fungus most definitely has a correlation with available carbohydrates in the body. As noted though this isn't solely ingested carbohydrates but also unnecessary/underutilized proteins.
Millions of primitive people who had been eating quite a lot of carbohydrates hadn't had any Candidiasis whatsover.
These are the culprits:
Antibiotics and lots of other harmful medicines
"Shit foods"
Weak immune system
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Millions of primitive people who had been eating quite a lot of carbohydrates hadn't had any Candidiasis whatsover.
These are the culprits:
Antibiotics and lots of other harmful medicines
"Shit foods"
Weak immune system
Yes definitely. I would add not being breast fed and Cesarean births.
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Millions of primitive people who had been eating quite a lot of carbohydrates hadn't had any Candidiasis whatsover.
These are the culprits:
Antibiotics and lots of other harmful medicines
"Shit foods"
Weak immune system
No. Candida Albicans, as well as other strains, are naturally present in the body. The things listed cause the imbalance required for it to outgrow the healthy bacteria which typically keep it in check. Once it has gained this foothold the ingestion of underutilized carbs helps it continue this heightened proliferation beyond the healthy bacteria.
I will concur that antibiotics has been a culprit in the cause. In fact I would say it's been the #1 cause of the overgrowth of fungi in modern people.
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I think Hannibal refer ed to an overgrowth (candidiasis) not the fact that candida doesn't reside in the body.
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I think Hannibal refer ed to an overgrowth (candidiasis) not the fact that candida doesn't reside in the body.
Exactly
I will concur that antibiotics has been a culprit in the cause. In fact I would say it's been the #1 cause of the overgrowth of fungi in modern people.
I would say the same.
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The point is that one has to get candida that has overgrown under control before adding carbs back into the diet.Regardless of the original cause of the overgrowth.
And the way to get it back under control is to eat lots of fats and avoid carbs/sugars.
Plain & simple. 8)
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Plain & simple. 8)
But untrue :)
Carbs aren't the issue.
You can eat quite a lot of carbs and fight the overgrowth of candida quite simply.
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But untrue :)
Carbs aren't the issue.
You can eat quite a lot of carbs and fight the overgrowth of candida quite simply.
Sorry,I don't believe you.
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But untrue :)
Carbs aren't the issue.
You can eat quite a lot of carbs and fight the overgrowth of candida quite simply.
Carbs are an issue..trust me. One bit of carbs and I get dandruff, constipation, cramps, thrush etc even on RPD. Your lucky to not have these issues.
If you know a way I can put add carbs back and be candida free please tell because zero carb sucks socially.
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this thing candida you are all referring to is yeast infection?
then are you talking about oral yeast infection or vaginal?
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One bit of carbs and I get dandruff, constipation, cramps, thrush etc even on RPD. Your lucky to not have these issues.
it does not sound like you are having yeast infection.
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i guess candida can show up anywhere in the body, its called different names depending on the locale (thanks the allopaths for their creativity).
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it does not sound like you are having yeast infection.
That's very true.
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this thing candida you are all referring to is yeast infection?
then are you talking about oral yeast infection or vaginal?
it does not sound like you are having yeast infection.
Are you kidding? You ask what candida is,and then you suggest a symptom diagnosis? l)
Btw,what he seems to be refering to is systemic candida.
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That's very true.
What is a yeast/fungal/candida infection then ...enlighten me
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Carbs are an issue..trust me. One bit of carbs and I get dandruff, constipation, cramps, thrush etc even on RPD. Your lucky to not have these issues.
If you know a way I can put add carbs back and be candida free please tell because zero carb sucks socially.
ditto!
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What is a yeast/fungal/candida infection then ...enlighten me
i'm just guessing because i've never seen one, but i heard lots of women have it and quick googling tells me it is some kind of fungus overgrowth usually in the oral cavity or vagina, and sometime penis when exposed to impacted vagina.
things you listed like "dandruff, constipation, cramps, thrush etc" don't sound like this candida thing.
Are you kidding? You ask what candida is,and then you suggest a symptom diagnosis? Roll Eyes
Btw,what he seems to be refering to is systemic candida.
i did a little googling after i posted my first comment, and my guessing appeared to be correct. so i made another comment in the next post.
i did image search for both systemic candida and yeast infections and they are very similar.
is that what you guys are having?
http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&biw=1024&bih=575&gbv=2&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=systemic+candida&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
and
http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&source=imghp&biw=1024&bih=575&q=yeast+infection&gbv=2&aq=0&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=yeas&gs_rfai=
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my understanding is that a yeast infection would be either a symptom of a more systemic issue, or just a localized problem, for many women its a bit of both I guess.
when most people on health type forums speak of candida, they are largely speaking of a number of symptoms like above due to an overgrowth of naturally occurring fungus. Itching in ears, feet etc..(athletes foot is usually another symptom of something systemic, but possibly not) and other areas is common too, often immediately after consuming certain types of sugars.
One original natural function of candida is to break down foreign sugars and debris, but since there is some skewed environment (antibiotics, or metals etc..) they always have shit to do and don't die off...or mutate or permeate areas they were not intended to. When seriously limiting carbs, this allows for less fermentation and other natural processes which are -again- all screwed up, so the excess fungus retreats somewhat resulting in less symptoms. It unfortunately doesn't mean the situation resolves itself, and probably many 'candida-diet' practitioners can attest to that.
the only theories I have ever heard of regarding carbs not being a problem, are those that state with very little fat in the blood stream, sugars pass through and will feed the cells without feeding fungus. Problem with that is that even in the best case scenario, a low fat diet is neither suitable for health or natural. but in the worst case, likely people only suppress the symptoms further (while claiming the opposite!). High sugar will create such a situation in modern people whenever there is underlying digestion/fermentation issues. Also worth noting, people will get back the same symptoms with added fats on low-fat/protein just as people on LC/ZC will have them with carbs.
to say carbs or fats don't affect at all these intricate internal processes is just extremely unlikely. Traditional peoples didn't have many of the known factors which create such imbalances in ability to handle 'natural' foods. Alcohol is a nasty combination with such issues for many people, and probably could have been consumed much more healthfully before the modern period too, but that doesn't mean it doesn't effect internal problems.
I would be interested to see what Hannibal has to say about how to integrate carbs into a animal foods diet high in fats for people with genuine issues, but my two sense is that the diet needs to be simultaneously making the person healthier while cleaning up some of the long term issues due to candida, and not just be focused on one or the other.
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I would be interested to see what Hannibal has to say about how to integrate carbs into a animal foods diet high in fats for people with genuine issues, but my two sense is that the diet needs to be simultaneously making the person healthier while cleaning up some of the long term issues due to candida, and not just be focused on one or the other.
I know quite a lot about "candidafobia", as there are lots of people who fight it for years, though they haven't been professionally diagnosed.
I don't have any simple remedy. Everyone should be individually thoroughly examined.
If someone says - I don't feel good, so for sure I've got candidiasis - that's rediculous. :D
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Hannibal is the RPD version of William, if you're eating ZC, he will make sure to tell you your diet is 'unhealthy' and to load up on carbs, regardless of how carbs affect your body. Your health and how you feel are not relevant, you must eat carbs! He knows what's good for you, ok?
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load up on carbs, regardless of how carbs affect your body.
That's bull***s :D
Eating an adequate amount of carbs and loading up on them are different things.
All I wanted to say is that being afraid of eating to much of protein which will convert to "evil" glucose or yolks or organ-meats isn't based on any science. It's utter FOBIA.
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That's bull***s :D
Eating an adequate amount of carbs and loading up on them are different things.
All I wanted to say is that being afraid of eating to much of protein which will convert to "evil" glucose or yolks or organ-meats isn't based on any science. It's utter FOBIA.
It's based on personal experience.
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It's based on personal experience.
Exactly. It's individual anecdotal experiences from multiple members here on this forum.
If you eat something and it makes your symptoms flare you avoid eating it. A number of members have noted this occurs with carbohydrates. I don't understand what is so hard to acknowledge. ???
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If you eat something and it makes your symptoms flare you avoid eating it.
That's true.
But the most interesting thing is the patogenesis.
A number of members have noted this occurs with carbohydrates.
Gee, not all the carbs are the same. The different kinds have got different impact on our body.
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Gee, not all the carbs are the same. The different kinds have got different impact on our body.
Strangely enough, the carbs that are promoted here are the ones that give me the most intense flare ups. Carbs from grains like rice don't affect me as much as fruit and honey.
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Strangely enough, the carbs that are promoted here are the ones that give me the most intense flare ups. Carbs from grains like rice don't affect me as much as fruit and honey.
It may depend on
What fruit?
What honey?
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I definitely had fungus overgrowth although I am not sure if it was the problem or a symptom of an already weak immune system. My tongue would have those white sore patches, although not as bad as the picture. My eosiniphile counts were often very high and a clinical sign of parasitic or fungal infection. I had blood sugar issues, I believe that the infection spread to my internal organs and impaired my whole metabolism. The standard anti Candida diets are often more harmful than good and Didn't help me one bit. I have found that the diet I am on now seems to work best. I use coconut it does in some way help me with the fungal issues. I still cant handle any fruit without having issues, I used raw honey once about 8 months ago but I don't think I was ready for it. I had some sugar spikes and pancreatic pain after just a small amount, I may give it another try sometime, perhaps I need to let my organs repair a bit more.
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Carbs from grains like rice don't affect me as much as fruit and honey.
So maybe you should eat those comblex carbs in small amounts?
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So maybe you should eat those comblex carbs in small amounts?
Or maybe just not eat carb foods? These foods cause other problems.
If you have a problem where slicing yourself with a knife hurts and makes you bleed, you don't need to hit yourself with a hammer instead.
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I definitely had fungus overgrowth
So lots of beneficial bacteria are recquired - aged meat, high meat, EM, soil bacteria, etc.
0,5 lb of berries affect you?
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So lots of beneficial bacteria are recquired - aged meat, high meat, EM, soil bacteria, etc.
0,5 lb of berries affect you?
? Bacteria aren't meant to get into your body anyway.
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Or maybe just not eat carb foods? These foods cause other problems.
And not eating any carbs could lead to other problems.
Temorarly - yes.
But if you don't heal during that period of not eating any carbs that's worthless kind of healing.
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Bacteria aren't meant to get into your body anyway.
Yes, they are. Where's the problem?
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But if you don't heal after that period of not eating any carbs that's worthless kind of healing.
That's the scary thing. I've been ZC/VLC for about 6 months now, i have less symptoms because i've avoided carbs but i can't say for sure i'm healing.
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That's the scary thing. I've been ZC/VLC for about 6 months now, i have less symptoms because i've avoided carbs
And every amount of any kind of fruits, veggies or raw honey makes you feel worse?
i can't say for sure i'm healing.
So what are you doing, Nation? :)
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And every amount of any kind of fruits, veggies or raw honey makes you feel worse?
Veggies and small amount of berries don't affect me much. Basically, anything that isn't sweet is ok in small quantity.
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Carbs from grains like rice don't affect me as much as fruit and honey.
all carbs that get to the blood stream are glucose and fructose (with traces of other monosaccharide) no matter what kind of form they are ingested, fruits, honey, or rice.
other carbs that are not completely broken down in the small intestine are too large to get absorbed and pass along to the colon.
source: google carb digestion
given the nature of carb digestion i would conclude that anything that flares up on the skin surface are caused by excess amounts of glucose or fructose, or both, since only simple carbs can get into bloodstream. it does not matter what was the original carbs source. everything will be converted into simple sugars.
those more complex sugars such as sucrose, lactose, and starch that do not get broken down completely, they cannot get into bloodstream and are contained within intestines. they may ferment while traveling further down and feed undesired flora which in turn may produce harmful by-products.
in any case carbs are GENERALLY not an issue at all. in some particular case where someone is not healthy carbs are probably not a good idea. but for a healthy person carbs are non issue at all. look at India with it's 1 billion people, most of them have predominantly carb based diet, since majority are vegetarians, and ask them how many get this candida/yeast infection? i honestly do not know the answer but i would guess it is pretty low. if anyone can provide candida/yeast infection rates in Indian population that would be great.
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If you know a way I can put add carbs back and be candida free please tell because zero carb sucks socially.
The only thing I've read that makes any sense in regards to this is the "Specific Carbohydrate Diet" that Brady mentioned to me.I'm not sold on it myself,but it's definately worth looking into.It could easily be customized for eating raw as well.
It worked for Brady,so it might work for you or other members here.
Btw,I just noticed that Hannibal posted a link on this subject back in March 2010.Here it is:
http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/beginners_guide/beginners.htm
Now I understand where he's coming from.But like I said,I'm still not sold on it for systemic candida.
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my understanding is that a yeast infection would be either a symptom of a more systemic issue, or just a localized problem, for many women its a bit of both I guess.
when most people on health type forums speak of candida, they are largely speaking of a number of symptoms like above due to an overgrowth of naturally occurring fungus. Itching in ears, feet etc..(athletes foot is usually another symptom of something systemic, but possibly not) and other areas is common too, often immediately after consuming certain types of sugars.
One original natural function of candida is to break down foreign sugars and debris, but since there is some skewed environment (antibiotics, or metals etc..) they always have shit to do and don't die off...or mutate or permeate areas they were not intended to. When seriously limiting carbs, this allows for less fermentation and other natural processes which are -again- all screwed up, so the excess fungus retreats somewhat resulting in less symptoms. It unfortunately doesn't mean the situation resolves itself, and probably many 'candida-diet' practitioners can attest to that.
the only theories I have ever heard of regarding carbs not being a problem, are those that state with very little fat in the blood stream, sugars pass through and will feed the cells without feeding fungus. Problem with that is that even in the best case scenario, a low fat diet is neither suitable for health or natural. but in the worst case, likely people only suppress the symptoms further (while claiming the opposite!). High sugar will create such a situation in modern people whenever there is underlying digestion/fermentation issues. Also worth noting, people will get back the same symptoms with added fats on low-fat/protein just as people on LC/ZC will have them with carbs.
to say carbs or fats don't affect at all these intricate internal processes is just extremely unlikely. Traditional peoples didn't have many of the known factors which create such imbalances in ability to handle 'natural' foods. Alcohol is a nasty combination with such issues for many people, and probably could have been consumed much more healthfully before the modern period too, but that doesn't mean it doesn't effect internal problems.
I would be interested to see what Hannibal has to say about how to integrate carbs into a animal foods diet high in fats for people with genuine issues, but my two sense is that the diet needs to be simultaneously making the person healthier while cleaning up some of the long term issues due to candida, and not just be focused on one or the other.
O0 Best candida explanation ever....i have been reading on internet for a year now.......and i am thinking the same....so going zero carb sounds a crazy thing for me as i see again and again that people on zero carb can´t handle carbs even if they were going 10 years on zero carb... so seeing this is clear than he are not cured ( i am guessing) ..iee: Michael...a lost poster here, one of her last post was about doing chelation.....but this was about 2 years ago....
I have read almost all of his posts.
This is a good candida healing story. But he ended it doing chelation too. But who could handle 1,5 years on green leafy greens? I did it 2 days and lose 3 kilograms and i am still underweight.
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1887319#i (http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1887319#i)
So i am thinking on doing chelation and see if that is my problem