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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: Techydude on February 18, 2011, 04:17:48 am
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So if you are chopping or chomping into a nice piece of raw fish, and you see some wiggly critters aka parasites, what do you do? Stop eating and discard it? Or continue eating the fish along with the parasites?
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two for the price of one, nice ;D
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I would probably soak the fish in vinegar or brine to kill the parasites before eating. Otherwise I'd compost the fish.
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I'm guessing this is a hypothetical situation?
But I'd toss it for sure.
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Usually most parasites are hidden so the ones you'd see would make it lucky for you. Msot fish do have parasites though, they are technically bottomfeeders and come into contact with poop, flies, larva, eggs, etc with the water they take in, and eat other animals along the food chain picking up parasites too. So...? Do we still discard even though most fish may have hidden wrigglies or what?
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I wanted to ask this questions for long time already
If you got parasites through raw food flesh what can you do? and what harm the parasites can do?
lets say RIGHT NOW I have parasites and ecoli and all the bad guys inside from really shit quality flesh what Should I do??
Die and vanish?
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Tapeworms are actually almost always harmless, according to reports. But, anyway, getting rid of parasites just requires one to get a prescription from a doctor so you can get an anti-parasite drug. More to the point, RVAFers very, very rarely encounter parasites, if ever.
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All I wanna know is the definite on what to do with the fish?
If I see parasites on the flesh do I toss or continue eating cause usually fish do have parasites harmless or not so I may just be wasting cash. Or do I freeze it?
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DONT EAT IT
Today just fast or eat some eggs tommorrow get beef its the safest in raw paleo I think .
Why Fish has the most parasites in it? why beef not? why why where they come wtff i hate parasites
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It's because in the water fish come into contact with fecal matter, parasites, eggs, cysts, larva, and eat other animals with parasites in them or get them along the food chain. So yeah I guess that's why. I guess i'd discard it. But i'm still out on the book, i'd like to see where this discussion would go from people's experiences.
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I've never gotten fish like that, but I might just freeze it for a long time. Freezing kills animal parasites, not bacteria though. I think a freezing of about 2 weeks should kill just about anything.
Or you could cook it, which I don't consider as big of a deal as some others. Or the acid kill might work too, citrus juice or vinegar soaking.
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So if you are chopping or chomping into a nice piece of raw fish, and you see some wiggly critters aka parasites, what do you do? Stop eating and discard it? Or continue eating the fish along with the parasites?
If it grosses me out and my gut instincts say YUCK, I throw it out.
But this has never happened to me with fish.
I've done this with fruits.
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Freezing kills animal parasites, not bacteria though. I think a freezing of about 2 weeks should kill just about anything.
Trichinella in wild boar meat are very resistant to freezing.
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Have you met my friend, GARLIC? 8)
These concerns really do not frighten me.
I would be shocked if we were not eating parasites on a daily basis from cooked or raw healthy animals.
Once I did an experiment with cooked beef kidney,
I put it in a jar where no flies could get to it and worms grew within.
Cooking probably does not kill everything, as many would assume.
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Have you met my friend, GARLIC? 8)
These concerns really do not frighten me.
I would be shocked if we were not eating parasites on a daily basis from cooked or raw healthy animals.
Once I did an experiment with cooked beef kidney,
I put it in a jar where no flies could get to it and worms grew within.
Cooking probably does not kill everything, as many would assume.
How thoroughly did you cook it? Also yuli (i believe it was her) once mentioned purposely eating a piece of fish with a huge parasite problem. She had a stomach ache for an hour and then the next day saw the worms get excreted.
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There are various types of herbs that are eaten by wild animals. They intuitively know how to combat the hostile parasites.
Why should do the same.
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How thoroughly did you cook it? Also yuli (i believe it was her) once mentioned purposely eating a piece of fish with a huge parasite problem. She had a stomach ache for an hour and then the next day saw the worms get excreted.
Yes Yuli said that a while ago.
I was comparing to raw so I cooked thoroughly, almost completely dry. It went from package to fryer to jar.
The cooked meat developed some slime and a bunch of worms. Even if they were maggots they would have had to survive the high heat on a frying pan. Revealing that cooking does not kill all life forms. It even allowed these to thrive.
There are various types of herbs that are eaten by wild animals. They intuitively know how to combat the hostile parasites.
Why should do the same.
Exactly. Sometimes I crave garlic, ginger, cilantro... Sometimes I am repulsed by it.
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These fish parasites are specific to fish. Most fish have them. They require an aquatic environment and fish flesh to survive.
You are not a fish and you do not live in the water. We are mammals. We have our own parasites.
Be cautious eating raw mammal flesh especially species that are scavengers like hogs. Don't eat mammal feces or raw intestines. Or high meat.
You can safely eat the fish. Above all do NOT throw it out. Package it carefully and send it overnight express to me.
Yum.
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You are not a fish and you do not live in the water. We are mammals. We have our own parasites.
Bears are mammels and they eat quite a lot of fish and they are fine.
Be cautious eating raw mammal flesh especially species that are scavengers like hogs. Don't eat mammal feces or raw intestines. Or high meat.
High meat hasn't got anything to do with the parasites. Aging meat doesn't generate any of them.
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Be cautious eating raw mammal flesh especially species that are scavengers like hogs. Don't eat mammal feces or raw intestines. Or high meat.
Rubbish...
I love high meat every once and a while.
An abundant source of flora should keep parasites in check.
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My opinion on what you should do is based on my experience with raw fish.
Currently I eat previously frozen salmon that has been thawed in the store. I also eat fresh shellfish like clams and sometimes oysters. In the summers when salmon is sold fresh, I freeze it for 7 days at -5 degrees Celcius. Similarly, if I buy other fresh fish like cod, I also freeze it for approx. 7 days at -5 degrees Celcius.
Last summer when I was cutting into fresh salmon I found a few tiny white 1 cm wriggling worms. After this I decided it's best to freeze the fish and kill the parasites. I've read anecdotes in biology textbooks that some parasites have intermediate hosts in fish but also parasitize humans. For example, the flukes.
The 7 days at -5 degrees celcius procedure is what I read online to be the standard for sushi preparation for commercial sale. Ideally I'd eat fresh but I figure freezing fish and the loss of nutrients that results is better than eating live worms. Interestingly, I don't freeze the grassfed beef that I eat.
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I eat oysters with worms/parasites in them, who cares?
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I eat oysters with worms/parasites in them, who cares?
I sure don't.
There is a species of crab-like parasite within some oysters that I got last fall.
I ate them separately. ;D
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I sure don't.
There is a species of crab-like parasite within some oysters that I got last fall.
I ate them separately. ;D
Sorry a little shell shocked...but WHAT THE SWEET GRASS FED BEEF IS THAT?!! omg is that poo? Or oyster flesh? The crabs look cute I guess...but terrifying.
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actup90 did you really eat those? !
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actup90 did you really eat those? !
One at a time while they were still moving. ;)
They were crunchy and juicy!
Sorry a little shell shocked...but WHAT THE SWEET GRASS FED BEEF IS THAT?!! omg is that poo? Or oyster flesh? The crabs look cute I guess...but terrifying.
The brown, if I remember correctly came from the outside of the shells when I transferred one from another shell. 8 out of 15 had them within. I guess it's common. Not so terrifying, really. Free crabs! Living is as raw as it gets.
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One at a time while they were still moving. ;)
They were crunchy and juicy!
Far out! Serious respect for that.
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TECHYDUDE
What do you do with fish with visible parasites?
« on: February 18, 2011, 04:17:48 am »
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So if you are chopping or chomping into a nice piece of raw fish, and you see some wiggly critters aka parasites, what do you do? Stop eating and discard it? Or continue eating the fish along with the parasites?
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Lovely piece of fresh raw Cod yesterday, but many Anisakis worms in it. Very carefully removed these with their immediate surroundings and am thoroughly enjoying remainder of fish as is. Parceled up the worms in their surroundings and put them in the ice compartment of my refrigerator. I will examine them from time to time to see if they expire within the two weeks of freezer time recommended for their safe dispatch. Hope you continue to eat and enjoy your raw fish, as the worms, if eaten, seek a life in fish and not man so will die and be expelled eventually. ENJOY RAW FISH!!!
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So if you are chopping or chomping into a nice piece of raw fish, and you see some wiggly critters aka parasites, what do you do? Stop eating and discard it? Or continue eating the fish along with the parasites?
Really? ???
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Hope you continue to eat and enjoy your raw fish, as the worms, if eaten, seek a life in fish and not man so will die and be expelled eventually. ENJOY RAW FISH!!!
Except no.
"Anisakiasis is a human parasitic infection of the gastrointestinal tract caused by the consumption of raw or undercooked seafood containing larvae of the nematode Anisakis simplex. "
Don't eat parasites in fish.
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Except no.
"Anisakiasis is a human parasitic infection of the gastrointestinal tract caused by the consumption of raw or undercooked seafood containing larvae of the nematode Anisakis simplex. "
Don't eat parasites in fish.
He was pointing out that the parasites do not survive long in the human digestive tract, being designed to live in fish, so that there is no need to be foolish and worry about parasites as they usually are not a long-term issue.
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He was pointing out that the parasites do not survive long in the human digestive tract, being designed to live in fish, so that there is no need to be foolish and worry about parasites as they usually are not a long-term issue.
You have zero medical knowledge and have never worked in a hospital setting and it shows. Stop making up fairy tale medicine, it's not funny.
Fish with visible parasites within the flesh are dangerous to Humans.
The Annunaki are good as gold though.
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You have zero medical knowledge and have never worked in a hospital setting and it shows. Stop making up fairy tale medicine, it's not funny.
Fish with visible parasites within the flesh are dangerous to Humans.
The Annunaki are good as gold though.
It is common knowledge that many parasites are designed to only live in particular hosts so, if they enter another type of host, they routinely die after a time. Please read up on the science before talking nonsense. As for the Annunaki nonsense, that is so unscientific it is laughable. Besides, von-Daenikenesque b*ll like that has already been debunked many times before.
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Tyler is right.
I have eaten plenty of fish with parasites, raw, for many years. Here I am, very healthy and no issues at all - yet ;)
That said, I would not give that kind of food to others as I believe if you are weak and unhealthy parasites might hurt you. Context matters.
You need to really educate yourself. So you can know your risk. I have. The Anisakiasis parasite can live only 2 weeks in human, and they can not reproduce.
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Further Reply:
1. Discovered Anisakis in piece of fresh raw Cod just purchased.
2. Extracted all Anisakis with immediate surroundings very carefully in bright sunlight.
3. Enjoyed eating all remaining fresh Cod without further treatment, freezing, or condiments.
4. Absolutely no discomfort, ill health, or adverse effects in days following this consumption.
5. Parcelled Anisakis once extracted, were put in ice compartment of refrigerator at -22?C.
6. After 24 hours, and allowing parcel to thaw out, Anisakis collateral to wage war in intestines found severely compromised. Could not resume former posture when their position was disturbed.
Conclusions:
1. Removing all Anisakis renders fish safe to eat.
2. Freezing fish for at least 24 hours (7 to 14 days is recommended) should prevent any problems.
Summary:
1. Anisakis fish best avoided by choosing tail end rather than middle cut of Cod etc.
2. Anisakis belongs in marine fish environment and will not survive in mammals intestines including ours.
3. Temporary discomfort can arise as they are immune to stomach acids and try to set up home.
4. They will die and be cleared eventually through digestive tract.
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REPLY 2:
After 48 hours in ice compartment at -22C, and allowing plenty of time to thaw out soft, all 9 Anisakis in my discarded portion of Cod were totally immobile and hence presumably dead and inactive. The experiment was terminated and the sample put in trash as no further developments were expected.
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REPLY 3
Further experiment with Anisakis alongside Cod undergoing fermentation in refrigerator for five weeks found Cod tasted wonderful but adjacent Anisakis was still alive and fighting fit after five weeks at 5C to 10C no problem if you are rotting fish, he can survive inside it!