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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Off Topic => Topic started by: riy freeman on March 12, 2011, 07:33:17 am
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The damage is horrendous...
Thank god my family and relatives are probably safe...
Times like these that reinforce my convictions to be a doctor and work for Doctors Without Borders. Can't wait to get to medical school!
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Well, I hear that the Japanese are well prepared for this sort of thing, having made sure that their skyscrapers were earthquake proof etc.
GS must be pretty blase about this sort of thing. I mean he gets tsunamis, hurricanes,flooding, volcanoes etc. etc all the time in his native Phillipines.
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The damage is horrendous...
Thank god my family and relatives are probably safe...
Times like these that reinforce my convictions to be a doctor and work for Doctors Without Borders. Can't wait to get to medical school!
Same here.
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Well, I hear that the Japanese are well prepared for this sort of thing, having made sure that their skyscrapers were earthquake proof etc.
GS must be pretty blase about this sort of thing. I mean he gets tsunamis, hurricanes,flooding, volcanoes etc. etc all the time in his native Phillipines.
Sure, such things happen about everyday in the Philippines:
(http://www.lefigaro.fr/medias/2011/03/12/20110312PHOWWW00093.jpg)
Videos are a must see (http://www.google.fr/search?q=japan+tsunami&tbo=p&tbm=vid&source=vgc&hl=fr&aq=f#q=japan+tsunami&hl=fr&tbs=vid:1,qdr:w&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=msN7TZ-kEMXMsgbdiaHjBw&ved=0CE4QmQY&fp=54f32908831f0f21)
What did you smoke, Tyler ??? ???
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2012 -d
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one of their nuclear plants just popped. http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/12/japan.nuclear/index.html?hpt=T1
I really hope they get that under control.
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Yes, I just discovered that Wikipedia seem to have very accurate and up-to-date info about this accident. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_I_Nuclear_Power_Plant)
Scary.
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All my Japanese friends on facebook are talking about how thankful they are that they are safe and how frightening the experience was. The whole country seems to have a united and determined outlook- which is what tends to happen after people are hit by tragedy and disasters. It's in people's nature to galvanize and help.
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Well, I hear that the Japanese are well prepared for this sort of thing, having made sure that their skyscrapers were earthquake proof etc.
GS must be pretty blase about this sort of thing. I mean he gets tsunamis, hurricanes,flooding, volcanoes etc. etc all the time in his native Phillipines.
Not blase about it.
I left to drive to the beach at Laiya Batangas Friday afternoon.
I slept inland Friday at Candelaria with my professional healer friend Vander.
This Japan earthquake / tsunami is probably the totally worst thing that has ever happened in history.
Such things do not happen all the time in my country.
What's common is typhoons, volcanoes have early warnings (except for Pinatubo 1991).
I experienced the big 1990 earthquake. (no tsunami)
But those are all pittance damage to what this Japan earthquake / tsunami has done and still doing.
Japan will need to muster up its women to create new babies to replace the lives they lost in this tragedy.
(they are in absolute population decline since 2007).
Just you wait for the nuclear fall out, chernobyl type.
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The Nuclear stuff is worrying indeed..
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Japan will need to muster up its women to create new babies to replace the lives they lost in this tragedy.
no worries for japs. they are already hugely overpopulated. there is not a single unused square inch of space. a thousand or so lost lives is really a drop in the ocean of 127+ million. that's almost the population of russia, look at the map and compare.
for comparison US deaths from driving is 30,000+/year.
they will rebuild and in a few years no one is going to talk about it just like no one brings up 2004 tsunami anymore which killed 230,000+.
as population grows events like these will affect more and more people. it is what it is.
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^ i'd comment on how ridiculous your perspective is but i think u'd probably have to lose relatives or have your house washed away before you'd change it so i won't comment much further on it
wiki says 10,000 people unaccounted for so far besides the confirmed deaths and other countries having casualties and damage as well from the tsunamis...yikes
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you really don't get it. think about it before you call someone's reply ridiculous.
you sound exactly like my brother-in-law, who is a doctor, but completely nutcase, he wants to save africa and feed all the hungry, and give every homeless a shelter, and make rich people pay for everyone else. absolutely no sense of reality whatsoever.
even if the toll is higher than what i've said earlier it does not change my point. and it has nothing to do with me being affected by it or not. even if my house gets washed away the fact still remains the same - japanese population will not see a slightest dent. why don't you ask a few scientists and see if they have the same consensus or not?
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rofl
to feel empathy for stabbing victims, i myself need not get stabbed
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rofl
to feel empathy for stabbing victims, i myself need not get stabbed
???... He is replying to GS about population, not individuals.
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rofl
to feel empathy for stabbing victims, i myself need not get stabbed
Empathizing with people you don't know is pathological. I can empathize with friends, family and people I meet. You are reacting emotionally to a mediated experience. Television and internet media are not real, they are just representations, but useful for keeping oneself informed about the world. Though your reaction is pathological, it is hardly abnormal. The elicitation of such emotional responses are intended by the media, which is informational as well as entertainment (in this case, the form of entertainment is tragedy, a form of drama going back thousands of years)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy
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Right, so I guess your thinking justifies/supports ys's perspective of brushing off mass casualty events as "drops in a bucket" and good for a country because of overcrowding. How absurd. Feeling empathy for people you don't know ie. strangers is pathologically abnormal? Tell that to anyone in the medical profession or rescue profession and they will laugh at you. Seriously.
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Right, so I guess your thinking justifies/supports ys's perspective of brushing off mass casualty events as "drops in a bucket" and good for a country because of overcrowding. How absurd. Feeling empathy for people you don't know ie. strangers is pathologically abnormal? Tell that to anyone in the medical profession or rescue profession and they will laugh at you. Seriously.
Maybe you should read:
http://www.diffen.com/difference/Empathy_vs_Sympathy
Here is from the above site:
Emotional differences between sympathy and empathy
Sympathy essentially implies a feeling of recognition of another's suffering while empathy is actually sharing another's suffering, if only briefly. Empathy is often characterized as the ability to "put oneself into another's shoes".
Empathy develops into an unspoken understanding and mutual decision making that is unquestioned, and forms the basis of tribal community. Sympathy may be positive or negative, in the sense that it attracts a perceived quality to a perceived self identity, or it gives love and assistance to the unfortunate and needy.
One feels empathy when one has "been there" and sympathy when one hasn't.
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I can certainly sympathize with the surviving victims, which requires an act of the imagination. But I agree with ys that it is insignificant in terms of casualties as a portion of the population and the deaths mean little in terms of the nation-state of Japan. Even if 20,000 died, that is (20,000/127,000,000)*100%=0.015748031%. Very small. If a tribe of 100 lost one member that would be 1%. They might mourn the loss of their member, who they actually knew (so it makes sense to empathize among the members), but life would go on much as usual.
The most damage is not in terms of lives lost but in damage to building, infrastructure, and so on, at least if you are considering the effect of the quake on the economy and society (standard of living). An enormous amount of capital was destroyed by the earthquake.
I am not concerned with the country, as the quake is likely to have little effect on the power of the state. It will likely continue to oppress the people just as it had before the quake. The danger to the population is in trying to use the quake as a justification for increasing the power of the state further. The quake could very well be harmful to the people of the country if the state of Japan opportunistically decides to expand its powers in order to "protect" the people from such occurrences in the future.
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nothing further to say to you. I just don't agree with any of your thinking.
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http://twitpic.com/492zbg
Shinmoedake volcano erupts!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinmoedake
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/257120332.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1300026499&Signature=ZMqslRDgCLkdKuwUyF1yKuskbzw%3D)
Earthquake
Tsunami
Nuclear Melt Down
Volcanic Eruption
More doom... add more doom...
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It was on the internet two weeks ago that March 11 is a day that something will happen in this earth. The moon also looks very weired and more disasters!! :'(
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nothing further to say to you. I just don't agree with any of your thinking.
Strange, since everything I have said is merely factual. The idea of not agreeing with reality is quite strange to me.
That's like me saying: "Water expands when it freezes," and you replying: "I just don't agree."
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http://twitpic.com/492zbg
Shinmoedake volcano erupts!
Earthquake
Tsunami
Nuclear Melt Down
Volcanic Eruption
More doom... add more doom...
This whole thing makes my respect for the Japanese people grow to near awe. It speaks to their enginuity that it hasnt gone worse and that they have kept everything so well together in the face of all this. In interviews they are still fairly positive about the whole ordeal. "yeah its pretty shit atm, but it could be worse tho.......atleast its not raining!" <3
Throw a couple of nukes at them and they build a behemoth economy on nuclear power. How is that for a "yeah, well right back at you buddy!". Come hell or high water and it doesnt stand a chance against Japan. fact.
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This whole thing makes my respect for the Japanese people grow to near awe. It speaks to their enginuity that it hasnt gone worse and that they have kept everything so well together in the face of all this. In interviews they are still fairly positive about the whole ordeal. "yeah its pretty shit atm, but it could be worse tho.......atleast its not raining!" <3
Throw a couple of nukes at them and they build a behemoth economy on nuclear power. How is that for a "yeah, well right back at you buddy!". Come hell or high water and it doesnt stand a chance against Japan. fact.
Their culture definitely drives them towards a kind of excellence that I do admire, from a certain perspective. And the appreciation for quality is higher among Japanese people, as well as the Chinese.
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Raw Video: Tsunami Wave Smashes Boats and Cars (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B01vktb2bj4&feature=player_embedded#at=17)
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Nuclear power plants are all in disarray and polluting the water and the air.
(betcha the Japs will do a Russia like Chernobyl and will deny stuff to calm the masses).
How do we protect ourselves from radioactive pollution like that?
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No way. Yes, things don't look good.
There's a good and comprehensive article about it in the New York Times. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/14/world/asia/japan-fukushima-nuclear-reactor.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha2)
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oh my god....
my uncle was telling me that the various regions across the tokyo area and north are having to go through periods of intentional blackouts by taking turns due to lack of electricity. looks like they won't have running water soon either...
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GS (and other worried about radiation). You need to stock up on potassium iodide. Take large doses of this if you are down-wind of Japan as it will help to prevent uptake of radiation.
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GS (and other worried about radiation). You need to stock up on potassium iodide. Take large doses of this if you are down-wind of Japan as it will help to prevent uptake of radiation.
The literature on potassium iodide seems to support protection for the thyroid, but that is all. See:
http://www.ki4u.com/print_me.htm
But I am curious now what other methods of protection there might be.
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betcha the Japs will do a Russia like Chernobyl and will deny stuff to calm the masses
i don't think so, you can't hide it because it is being broadcast in real time.
chernobyl was million times worse, it contaminated area bigger then the whole Japan. i lived nearby at that time and lived through it, it was very silent killer, i personally know people who got cancer possibly due to radiation exposure.
what makes chernobyl the worst is that it was cased by human error, it was easily preventable unlike quake.
japanese reactors are of different type, even in the case of total meltdown it should not spew so much materials.
i live not far from number of nuclear plants within 100-200 mile radius, i recognize potential risks and planning to move as far away as possible.
if i ever decide to settle along ocean shores i'll make sure i'm high enough even for the biggest tsunamis. there ve been so many deadly tsunamis in the past and there'll be more. some people ignore the fact and keep playing the roulette. you can't really hide from falling asteroid but people can do more to protect themselves from tsunamis. i'm sure building tsunami barriers cost many times less.
for those who are really paranoid there are numerous survivalist and zombie forums.
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if i ever decide to settle along ocean shores i'll make sure i'm high enough even for the biggest tsunamis. there ve been so many deadly tsunamis in the past and there'll be more.
You’re wise. But apparently the engineers who conceived the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant were not as wise as you are because they located the backup Diesel generators and electrical connections in such a low lying area that they were flooded by the tsunami.
God only knows what’s gonna happen next but it looks like we play with the nuclear fire as we’ve played with the regular fire ever since we pretend to master it. As a matter of fact we don’t master anything and it took some hundred thousand years until the very few of us realize that we’ve done a mistake to use that dammed fire to cook our food.
I feel this is the beginning of the end for our whole industrial civilization. Japan wont’ recover easily, if it ever does, and the rest of the industrialized world will very probably follow in decline. What has happened in Japan can happen everywhere, especially here in France where we rely heavily on the damned nuclear power. -d
I drank half a bottle of red wine tonight – good “natural” wine made by my friendly neighbor. There’s nothing else remaining do in this desperate world.
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I feel this is the beginning of the end for our whole industrial civilization. Japan wont’ recover easily, if it ever does, and the rest of the industrialized world will very probably follow in decline.
i am more optimistic, digging a bunker has not crossed my mind yet.
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i am more optimistic, digging a bunker has not crossed my mind yet.
There must be a collapse so that a new civilization may rise.
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oh my god....
my uncle was telling me that the various regions across the tokyo area and north are having to go through periods of intentional blackouts by taking turns due to lack of electricity. looks like they won't have running water soon either...
This was a fact of daily life (and for many years) when I was growing up. And no heat in the winter. Very inconvenient, but not life threatening to most.
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same here, i grew up without running water, my parents would fill up bathtub with water and we'd use for drinking and cooking.
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Sounds familiar! Haha Whre are you from?
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Nuclear calamity getting worse in Japan.
See further comments below the post http://www.myhealthblog.org/2011/03/15/deciding-to-prepare-for-nuclear-radiation-fallout-from-japanese-nuclear-reactors/
Sunday, May 23, 2004
Japan’s deadly game of nuclear roulette
By LEUREN MORET
Special to The Japan Times
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20040523x2.html
TWO THOUSAND FOUR --- did they listen? ... noooo.
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BREAKING NEWS: Hydrogen explosion occurs at Fukushima No. 4 reactor
11:53pm Japanese time. March 15, 2011
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Sounds familiar! Haha Whre are you from?
probably the same place you are from, magic field in the land of fools
Nuclear calamity getting worse in Japan.
yes, we can all read the news. don't panic, it'll be just fine, even if it spills out they'll figure out how to clean it up. this is not haiti.
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Live Geiger counter in Tokyo:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/%E3%82%AC%E3%82%A4%E3%82%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%82%AB%E3%82%A6%E3%83%B3%E3%82%BF
Also, I would hate to be the guy who has to work there now to keep the cores cool. I wouldn't do it for millions of dollars.
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Foreigners are evacuating Tokyo and other parts of Japan.
Even Filipinos.
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Worse than Chernobyl?
Just how bad was Chernobyl?
Chernobyl Radiation Killed Nearly One Million People: New Book
http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/apr2010/2010-04-26-01.html
NEW YORK, New York, April 26, 2010 (ENS) - Nearly one million people around the world died from exposure to radiation released by the 1986 nuclear disaster at the Chernobyl reactor, finds a new book from the New York Academy of Sciences published today on the 24th anniversary of the meltdown at the Soviet facility.
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On April 26, 1986, two explosions occured at reactor number four at the Chernobyl plant which tore the top from the reactor and its building and exposed the reactor core. The resulting fire sent a plume of radioactive fallout into the atmosphere and over large parts of the western Soviet Union, Europe and across the Northern Hemisphere. Large areas in Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia had to be evacuated.
Yablokov and his co-authors find that radioactive emissions from the stricken reactor, once believed to be 50 million curies, may have been as great as 10 billion curies, or 200 times greater than the initial estimate, and hundreds of times larger than the fallout from the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
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The Fukushima +++ reactor blowouts will be much worse.
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I hope this disaster reminds everyone how fragile and precious our human life is and that we should enjoy and be grateful for every moment we are alive.
Japan you rock and you will bounce back like you always have.
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You’re wise. But apparently the engineers who conceived the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant were not as wise as you are because they located the backup Diesel generators and electrical connections in such a low lying area that they were flooded by the tsunami.
God only knows what’s gonna happen next but it looks like we play with the nuclear fire as we’ve played with the regular fire ever since we pretend to master it. As a matter of fact we don’t master anything and it took some hundred thousand years until the very few of us realize that we’ve done a mistake to use that dammed fire to cook our food.
I feel this is the beginning of the end for our whole industrial civilization. Japan wont’ recover easily, if it ever does, and the rest of the industrialized world will very probably follow in decline. What has happened in Japan can happen everywhere, especially here in France where we rely heavily on the damned nuclear power. -d
I drank half a bottle of red wine tonight – good “natural” wine made by my friendly neighbor. There’s nothing else remaining do in this desperate world.
It seems that even conservative governments are able to learn:
http://www.thelocal.de/national/20110315-33727.html
...and now they decided to shut down even eight nuclear plants. Also the nuclear plant nearest to me will be shut down.
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Sunday, May 23, 2004
Japan’s deadly game of nuclear roulette
By LEUREN MORET
Special to The Japan Times
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20040523x2.html
TWO THOUSAND FOUR --- did they listen? ... noooo.
Thanks, GS, very interesting article. I didn't know that nuclear power plants can be and have been converted to burn natural gas.
Two other articles amongst hundreds:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/15/world/asia/15nuclear.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha2
Japan Faces Potential Nuclear Disaster as Radiation Levels Rise
“We are on the brink. We are now facing the worst-case scenario,” said Hiroaki Koide, a senior reactor engineering specialist at the Research Reactor Institute of Kyoto University. “We can assume that the containment vessel at Reactor No. 2 is already breached. If there is heavy melting inside the reactor, large amounts of radiation will most definitely be released.”
Another executive said the chain of events at Daiichi suggested that it would be difficult to maintain emergency seawater cooling operations for an extended period if the containment vessel at one reactor had been compromised because radiation levels could threaten the health of workers nearby.
If all workers do in fact leave the plant, the nuclear fuel in all three reactors is likely to melt down, which would lead to wholesale releases of radioactive material — by far the largest accident of its kind since the Chernobyl
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/energy-smart/core-issues-worstcase-nuclear-reactor-scenarios-20110315-1bvr5.html Core issues: worst-case nuclear reactor scenarios
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2011/03/15/japan-residents-nuclear-worries.html
Japan's PM warns of dangerous radiation levels
"It's like a horror movie," said 49-year-old Kyoko Nambu as she stood on a hillside overlooking her ruined hometown of Soma. "Our house is gone and now they are telling us to stay indoors. We can see the damage to our houses, but radiation? ... We have no idea what is happening. I am so scared."
All my sympathy for the Japanese people and our Japanese members, amongst them Gosu.
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Thank goodness there are some posters here who recognize this for what it is, a human tragedy and a disaster of the first order.
Thank you for your sympathies Iguana... It's hard to describe how I feel about this whole event... I am frustrated for my lack of ability of money to help. It's also hard to convey this feeling to others. For now I am trying to channel my frustration and worry into studying harder for my mcats so that I get to a place eventually where I will be able to help disaster victims in the future.
Now with the radiation levels approaching harmful levels, there is a worry about the health of my relatives who survived the quake but may come into harm's way via nuclear fallout...
My family is sending Potassium Iodide as fast as we can to my uncle and his family who reside in the tokyo metro area... He has told us that there is no KI available anywhere in Japan anymore, (that any normal person can get their hands on) so its quite a worry.
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Nuclear Radiation Detox
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=22389.0
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Apparently, the government has abandoned the plant because the radiation has become too high.
Well... Shit. Not good. :(
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I hope this disaster reminds everyone how fragile and precious our human life is and that we should enjoy and be grateful for every moment we are alive.
Yes, you are right!
Unfortunately, insanity always wins in the long run. We will see hundreds of new nuclear power plants in the next years WITHOUT having a clue what to do with the radioactive waste. Even Chernobyl didn't help.
Löwenherz
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Yes, you are right!
Unfortunately, insanity always wins in the long run. We will see hundreds of new nuclear power plants in the next years WITHOUT having a clue what to do with the radioactive waste. Even Chernobyl didn't help.
Löwenherz
It's all about the money, and the commissions. You have to make clean energy profitable.
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It's all about the money, and the commissions. You have to make clean energy profitable.
Same goes for recycling. If people want to pay someone to get rid of their trash, they will want to pay the least possible for the service, whether it involves putting the trash in the ground or recycling it.
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I plan on only eating locally for now on with the possible risk of radiation contamination of foods =(. But who knows if the farmers bought seeds from elsewhere, will I have to grow my own lettuces? Or shall I go zero carb? Dunno...this is all worrying. Im afraid to eat!
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Or shall I go zero carb? Dunno...this is all worrying. Im afraid to eat!
Don't be afraid, we'll all die one day anyway... and if you don't eat you'll die sooner! But if you want to avoid radioactivity, since it concentrates in the food chain, zero carb is a bad plan unless you eat only very small animals such as worms and insects. ;D
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Don't be afraid, we'll all die one day anyway... and if you don't eat you'll die sooner! But if you want to avoid radioactivity, since it concentrates in the food chain, zero carb is a bad plan unless you eat only very small animals such as worms and insects. ;D
This man bangs the drum with a truth stick. it is rumoured -at least here in Denmark- that the actual mortality rate is as much as 100%.
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But those are all pittance damage to what this Japan earthquake / tsunami has done and still doing.
Coming by this thread to wish you, the Japanese people and everyone safety in this.
Why do we have nuclear plants?
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This man bangs the drum with a truth stick. it is rumoured -at least here in Denmark- that the actual mortality rate is as much as 100%.
OH, really!?
May I offer you my sincere condolences?
I guess it's the dairy...
Löwenherz
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Nuclear Thriller: What if Fukushima meltdown not stopped on time? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWlDtqTU-tE)
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For the west coast people, here is a monitor.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-radiation-monitoring-from-west-la#utm_campaigne=synclickback&source=http://www.enviroreporter.com/2011/03/enviroreporter-coms-radiation-station/comment-page-1/#comment-29429&medium=7558036
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Does anyone know the death count from Fukishiama nuclear explosion and radiation? I know people will change the numbers, but I already read like 15 elder died from the radiation and I estimate over 100 people have died already from it or more, could be thousands who knows or up to millions in total from cancer or radiation poisoning in the future.
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I guess it's the dairy...
;D
On Japan, the last thing I heard in the press here is that they are considering just filling the things up with sand on concrete and hope it goes away. The chernobyl method pretty much.
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On Japan, the last thing I heard in the press here is that they are considering just filling the things up with sand on concrete and hope it goes away. The chernobyl method pretty much.
If they manage to prevent a big meltdown or explosion, I guess that in some weeks nobody can remember this accident. Nobody talks about the Gulf of Mexico today.
Our children will EAT all toxins we are creating now.
I always have to think about ANIMAL FATS. Think of an ox, grazing two years on huge grasslands, accumulating all the toxins in his fat tissue. Raw paleo low carbers should be the best environmentalists and I guess that most of us are living more eco-friendly than SAD eaters...
Löwenherz
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Oh really? There's one crucial difference. Tons of people died in this event, unlike the oil spill.
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Radiation Fallout Protection(Aajonus version): http://www.wewant2live.com/site/811618/page/1840437
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Yesterday, there were two federal state elections in Germany...
BERLIN, March 27 (Reuters) - Japan's nuclear disaster helped lift Germany's anti-nuclear Greens off the opposition benches and into the seat of power of the country's richest state on Sunday with an unprecedented surge of popularity.
In a stunning victory, the Greens ousted Chancellor Angela Merkel's party in the industrial state of Baden-Wuerttemberg, which the conservatives have ruled for 58 consecutive years. The Greens also beat their traditional allies, the Social Democrats.
"This is a historic turning point in Greens history," said party co-leader Claudia Roth at celebrations in Berlin after an ear-splitting cheer went out at 6 p.m. as exit polls showed the Greens had enough support to win the state premier's office.
Founded 31 years ago as a colourful band of peaceniks and anti-nuclear activists (...)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/27/germany-election-greens-idUSLDE72Q0KS20110327
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Radiation Fallout Protection(Aajonus version): http://www.wewant2live.com/site/811618/page/1840437
We need the help of organic iodine extracts.
We should extract the iodine from the kelp so we get organic iodine.
Barefoot Herbalist MH makes tree iodine extracts.
Good for AAjonus he can digest dairy, his diet is 60% dairy, which I cannot follow so I'll have to take my chances with other raw animal foods.
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I can't believe that anyone could be fooled by the notion of radioactivity from those reactors harming people 100s of miles away in Japan, let alone 1000s of miles abroad. And Aajonus's radiation "prevention/cure" is equally ridiculous.
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Strong Aftershock Jolts Japan; Workers at Nuclear Plant Take Cover (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/09/world/asia/09japan.html)
A big aftershock is thought to pose an additional risk to the Fukushima plant because its containment structures, now filled with water that is highly radioactive, may be more vulnerable to rupture, according to an assessment by the United States Nuclear Regulatory Commission in late March.
The temblor has also underscored the sensitivity of other power plants in the region to seismic shocks.
Two other nuclear facilities — a fuel reprocessing plant at Rokkasho and a power plant at Higashidori, both in northern Aomori Prefecture — ran temporarily on emergency diesel generators after their external power was knocked out. Grid power was restored at both plants on Friday morning, according to Japan’s nuclear regulator, the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency.
The single reactor at Higashidori is shut down for maintenance, and all nuclear fuel had been transferred to the facility’s spent fuel pool, which are being cooled by back-up diesel power, according to the operator, Tohoku Electric.
A third site, the Onagawa Nuclear Power Station in Miyagi Prefecture, lost two of its three external power systems, and cooling stopped temporarily at a spent fuel pool there, Tohoku Electric said. All three plants have been shut down since the March 11 quake, but power is needed to cool the nuclear fuel.
The aftershock hit at 11:32 p.m. local time and was centered 41 miles east of Sendai, 72 miles from Fukushima and 205 miles from Tokyo, officials said. It was about 30 miles below the ocean floor, about 10 miles deeper than the March 11 quake. Hundreds of aftershocks have followed the initial quake, but Thursday’s was the strongest, according to the United States Geological Survey.
The police say about 12,600 people have died as a result of the March 11 earthquake and tsunami. More than 14,700 are listed as missing.
Early Thursday, before the quake struck, nearly 240 police officers from Tokyo and about 100 from Fukushima Prefecture fanned out wearing protective suits in a search of bodies in the 12-mile evacuation zone around the Daiichi plant, according to Mikio Murakoshi, a police spokesman. Japanese and American soldiers conducted a huge search for the missing last weekend, but avoided the evacuation zone because of the radiation risk. But Mr. Murakoshi said radiation levels had dropped.
Still, concerns about the plant remain high. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission speculated Wednesday that some of the core of the No. 2 reactor had flowed from its steel pressure vessel into the bottom of the containment structure. The theory implies more damage at the unit than previously believed.
While a spokeswoman for Tokyo Electric dismissed the analysis, a spokesman for the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency of Japan agreed that it was possible that the core had leaked into the larger containment vessel.
The possibility raised new questions. The Nuclear Regulator Commission said that its speculation about the flow of core material out of the reactor vessel would explain high radiation readings in an area underneath, called the drywell.
But some of the radiation readings at Reactors Nos. 1 and 3 over the last week were nearly as high as or higher than the 3,300 rems per hour that the commission said it was trying to explain, so it would appear that the speculation would apply to them as well. At No. 2, extremely radioactive material continues to ooze out of the reactor pressure vessel, and the leak is likely to widen with time, a western nuclear executive asserted.
“It’s a little like pulling a thread out of your tie,” said the executive, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect business connections in Japan. “Any breach gets bigger.”
Flashes of extremely intense radioactivity have become a serious problem, he said. Tokyo Electric’s difficulties in providing accurate information on radiation are not a result of software problems, as some Japanese officials have suggested, but stem from damage to measurement instruments caused by radiation, the executive said.
Broken pieces of fuel rods have been found outside of Reactor No. 2, and are now being covered with bulldozers, he said. The pieces may be from rods in the spent-fuel pools that were flung out by hydrogen explosions.
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An article about some of the history and possibility of future quakes.
Amazing that in deep water tsunamies travel at the speed of a jetliner.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/canadas-next-big-quake-its-overdue-and-we-arent-ready/article1977182/page2/
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We need the help of organic iodine extracts.
We should extract the iodine from the kelp so we get organic iodine.
Barefoot Herbalist MH makes tree iodine extracts.
Good for AAjonus he can digest dairy, his diet is 60% dairy, which I cannot follow so I'll have to take my chances with other raw animal foods.
So according to Aajonus, if we eat lots of dairy then the radiation will go away. But since most milk now is showing signs of having iodine contamination, would the dairy even detox at all if it itself is radioactive?
Also, which do you guys think is worse: Eating radioactive raw grassfed meat, or eating organic non contaminated cooked grains.
"Fresh milk and creamy cheeses, as well as meat from cattle that have been outside eating grass, are categorised as foods that may have been indirectly contaminated and must also be monitored."
Heres the article:
http://www.euractiv.com/en/health/radiation-risks-fukushima-longer-negligible-news-503947
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Also, which do you guys think is worse: Eating radioactive raw grassfed meat, or eating organic non contaminated cooked grains.
It depends, of course, on how much radioactive the meat is !
Back to Fukushima Daiichi :
No one knows what to do (http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/04/fukushima-i-nuke-plant-ishikawa-of-jnti.html)
Saturday, April 30, 2011
#Fukushima I Nuke Plant: Ishikawa of JNTI Talks about Reactor Core Conditions
More on 77-year-old Michio Ishikawa of the Japan Nuclear Technology Institute on the situation at Fukushima I Nuke Plant, as he appeared on Asahi TV on April 29.
As I watched the video, I started to like Mr. Ishikawa, who continues to believe in the safety of nuclear power generation. He didn't mince his words, and said what they are doing at Fukushima I Nuke Plant is not working. That surprised some, including the host of the show, as Ishikawa is known as a strong proponent for the nuclear power generation and the nuclear industry.
I watched the segment (video No.2 out of 11) where he discussed the situation at Fukushima I Nuke Plant, particularly about the condition of the reactor core.
Here's what I'd add to the snippets on my previous post. (My summary translation of what Mr. Ishikawa said, not literal; my comment in square bracket):
About TEPCO's "roadmap:
"I believe what they are trying to achieve after 9 months is to cool the reactor cores and solidify them so that no radioactive materials can escape. But they are just doing peripheral tricks like water entombment and nitrogen gas injection. Nitrogen gas, it's dangerous, by the way.
"What they must do is to cool the reactor cores, and there's no way around it. It has to be done somehow."
About the condition of the reactor cores:
"I believe the fuel rods are completely melted. They may already have escaped the pressure vessel. Yes, they say 55% or 30%, but I believe they are all melted down. When the fuel rods melt, they melt from the middle part on down.
(Showing the diagram) "I think the temperature inside the melted core is 2000 degrees to 2000 and several hundred degrees Celsius. A crust has formed on the surface where the water hits. Decay heat is 2000 to 3000 kilowatts, and through the cracks on the crust the radioactive materials (mostly noble gas and iodine) are escaping into the air.
"Volatile gas has almost all escaped from the reactor by now.
"The water [inside the pressure vessel] is highly contaminated with uranium, plutonium, cesium, cobalt, in the concentration we've never seen before.
"My old colleague contacted me and shared his calculation with me. At the decay heat of 2000 kilowatt... There's a substance called cobalt 60. Highly radioactive, needs 1 to 1.5 meter thick shields. It kills people at 1000 curies. He calculated that there are 10 million curies of cobalt-60 in the reactor core. If 10% of cobalt-60 in the core dissolve into water, it's 1 million curies."
[He's an old-timer so he's used to curie instead of becquerel as a unit. 1 curie equals 3.7 x 10^10 becquerels (37,000,000,000 becquerels or 37 gigabecquerels).
10 million curies equals 370,000 terabecquerels, and 1 million curies equals 37,000 terabecquerels. I used this conversion table. Tell me I'm wrong! Cobalt-60 alone would make a Level 7 disaster...]
"They (TEPCO) want to circulate this highly contaminated water to cool the reactor core. Even if they are able to set up the circulation system, it will be a very difficult task to shield the radiation. It will be a very difficult work to build the system, but it has to be done.
"It is imperative to know the current condition of the reactor cores. It is my assumption [that the cores have melted], but wait one day, and we have water more contaminated with radioactive materials. This is a war, and we need to build a "bridgehead" at the reactor itself instead of fooling around with the turbine buildings or transporting contaminated water."
[As Ishikawa explains, a notable opponent of nuclear power, Tetsunari Iida (executive director of the Institute of Sustainable Energy Policy and Kyoto University graduate majoring in nuclear science) nods in deep agreement.]
About "war" at Fukushima I Nuke Plant:
"Take the debris clean-up job for example. They are picking up the debris and putting them in containers, as if this is the peacetime normal operation. This is a war. They should dig a hole somewhere and bury the radioactive debris and clean up later. What's important is to clear the site, using the emergency measures. Build a bridgehead to the reactor.
"The line of command is not clear, whether it is the government, TEPCO, or Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency.
"Look squarely at the reactors and find out the true situation. [Trying to do something with] the turbine buildings is nothing but a caricature [a joke, a manga, a diversion]."
The show's host says "But wait a minute, Mr. Ishikawa, you are a proponent of nuclear power and we expected to hear from you that everything is going well at Fukushima..."
Mr. Ishikawa answers, "Well, if I'm allowed to tell a lie..."
Now, Mr. Tetsunari Iida speaks, agreeing to Mr. Ishikawa's "war" analogy:
"I totally agree with Mr. Ishikawa's assessment of the plant, and that this is a war. The government simply orders TEPCO to "do it". But it is like the Imperial General Headquarters (???) on the eve of the Sea of Japan Naval Battle during the Russo-Japanese War [in 1905] ordering merchant ship TEPCO to attack [the imperial Russian navy].
"The government should appoint a commander. TEPCO has a limit as a private business. No one knows what to do. We have to seek the advice from the best and the brightest in the world."
Mr. Hasegawa of Chunichi Shinbun jumps in, and says "We took the numbers from the government like 30% core melt as true, and went from there. But then Mr. Ishikawa says it's a total melt."
Then, Kohei Otsuka, the Vice Minister of Health and Welfare and politician from the ruling party (DPJ), sitting right next to Mr. Ishikawa, butts in, and warns everyone:
"Since none of us knows for sure the condition of the reactor cores, we shouldn't speculate on a national TV."
Mr. Hasegawa overrides the politician, and says "The real problem is that what no one knows is presented to us every day as if it is a fact, like 30% core melt in the chart."
A video follows, but it's in Japanese.
And an other article here
Fukushima I Nuke Plant: Japan Nuclear Technology Institute Senior Advisor Says "Reactors 1, 2, 3 All Had Complete Meltdown"
(http://fukushima.over-blog.fr/ext/http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/04/fukushima-i-nuke-plant-japan-nuclear.html)
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I believe that our future is accurately described in the bible...
Here is an interesting interview from last week with Arnie Gundersen about the current situation in Fukushima:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxWtbpj0cvM&feature=related
Löwenherz
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Thanks Löwenherz. I hadn't seen that one, but a previous one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3T_bTPmDC8&feature=player_embedded
Arnold Gundersen http://www.fairewinds.com/content/who-we-are
Arnie is an energy advisor with 39-years of nuclear power engineering experience. A former nuclear industry senior vice president, he earned his Bachelor's and Master's Degrees in nuclear engineering, holds a nuclear safety patent, and was a licensed reactor operator. During his nuclear industry career, Arnie managed and coordinated projects at 70-nuclear power plants around the country. He currently speaks on television, radio, and at public meetings on the need for a new paradigm in energy production. An independent nuclear engineering and safety expert, Arnie provides testimony on nuclear operations, reliability, safety, and radiation issues to the NRC, Congressional and State Legislatures, and Government Agencies and Officials throughout the US, Canada, and internationally. In 2008, he was appointed by the Vermont Senate President to be the first Chair of the Vermont Yankee Nuclear Power Plant Oversight Panel. He has testified in numerous cases and before many different legislative bodies including the Czech Republic Senate. Using knowledge from his Masters Thesis on Cooling Towers, Arnie analyzed and predicted problems with Vermont Yankee’s cooling towers three years prior to their 2007 collapse. His Environmental Court testimony concerned available and economically viable alternatives to cooling towers in order to reduce consumptive water use and the ecological damage caused by cooling tower drift and heated effluents. As the former vice president in an engineering organization, Arnie led the team of engineers who developed the plans for decommissioning Shippingport, the first major nuclear power plant in the US to be fully dismantled. He was also an invited author on the first DOE Decommissioning Handbook. Source term reconstruction is a method of forensic engineering used to calculate radiation releases from various nuclear facilities after nuclear incidents or accidents. Arnie is frequently called upon by public officials, attorneys, and intervenors, to perform source term reconstructions. His source term reconstruction efforts vary. Arnie has calculated exposures to oil workers, who received radiation exposure while working on wells. He has also calculated radiation releases to children with health concerns, who live near a nuclear facility, like the one that carted radioactive sewage off-site and spread it on farmers' fields. Finally, he has performed an accurate source term construction of the radiation releases from the Three Mile Island nuclear accident. Also involved in his local community, Arnie has been a part-time math professor at Community College of Vermont (CCV) since 2007. He also taught high school physics and mathematics for 13 years and was an instructor at RPI's college reactor lab.
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Next one, March 31 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_5qnuudzCA&feature=related
The one on April 26 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0T1-WHbUds
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Thank you! Nuclear power is completely INSANE, isn't it? The next big earthquakes are waiting.
1. Uranium mining kills people and contaminates biosphere
2. Nuclear power plant operation kills people and contaminates biosphere
3. Nuclear waste WILL kill people and contaminate biosphere and groundwater worldwide
Some time ago I have read some artcles about uranium and the knowledge of indigenous people in Africa. They said for example that opening the earth at uranium depots will cause deep wounds (in mother earth) with very harmful consequences (misfortune) for all people around. etc. Where did they get their knowledge from?
Obviously the devil is real...
Löwenherz
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Thank you! Nuclear power is completely INSANE, isn't it? The next big earthquakes are waiting.
Of course it is. Apocalypse is prepaid and ready to happen.
Using regular fire to cook food is already insane, and now they need nuclear fire to generate the electricity they use in food processing factories, for deep freezing food, cooking food and dishwashers...
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Using regular fire to cook food is already insane, and now they need nuclear fire to generate the electricity they use in food processing factories, for deep freezing food, cooking food and dishwashers...
LOL! :D
BTW: Have you read Greek mythology about fire and the use of fire by humans? Very interesting/fascinating...
Löwenherz
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I didn't read much of it, but GCB has underlined that it concurs with modern scientific findings about the toxicity of cooked food. He's very knowledgeable about mythology.
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The nightmare is not over, this is a ticking time bomb. (http://inthearena.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/13/kaku-this-is-a-ticking-time-bomb/) (VIDEO)
Michio Kaku, Theoretical Physics Professor, CUNY
Famed physicist Michio Kaku says the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster in Japan is worse than originally thought.
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Japanese people are going to all look worse than Chernobyl victims.
Plus the fact that many reclaimed land is now being reclaimed by the sea, Japan is sinking.
Economically, other countries will say "nyet" to Japanese exports for fear of radiation.
The shit already hit the fan when the whole shebang began. The forum people at godlikeproductions.com already knew the media game they were playing. Of course their PR people do what needs to be done in cases like these, that's their job.
www.rense.com monitors the Fukushima news quite well.
I'm thankful our Philippine protestors faught tooth and nail to stop our own nuclear power plant from operating.
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Didn't know Elliot Spitzer was a journalist now. The Irony.
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Japanese people are going to all look worse than Chernobyl victims.
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Insanity goes on:
http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/C-Dutch_nuclear_plant_to_be_30pc_German_owned-1705117.html
Are nuclear power plants symptoms of a human mental disease caused by eating grains, sugar, alcohol, dairy, grain fed meats, vegetable oils and fast food?
Löwenherz
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I received this from a Yahoo group, thought I'd post it. I cannot speak for it's accuracy. Seems a bit reactionary but.....
"From what I've read about Fukushima (this month) if they don't get better control of the situation or if there's another large earthquake, the US will be hit with so much radiation that it may not be worth living. Possibly most of the world eventually.
Go to YouTube and watch Arnie Gundersen'a videos on Fukushima (one of the world's most renowned experts on the construction of nuclear power plants). Don't expect the TV news to tell us what's up. CNN has put a lid on this.
You need more supplements than that. I thought I sent out links to the files that discuss this a few weeks ago.
Miso
Seaweed and/or spirulina
Best taken now, not later. The miso cannot be added to food that is hot enough to kill enzymes. Miso Master is what I ordered (at my local health food store). Because it's one of the few that contains sun dried sea salt (not bogus "sea salt" that's actually refined). One tablespoon daily.
I'm taking 30 tiny chlorella tablets daily because someone convinced me that it's even more effective than spirulina (not sure thought).
The miso and seaweed kept people from dying after the atomic bomb hit Nakasaki, Japan (and they are only a mile away!). And some survived until a few years ago or are still alive. By friend in Japan verified that this really happened. Not a fluke either since there were dozens of people on this particular diet and they all survived.
The spirulina was said to be very effective in treating radiation poisoning after Chernobyl (even when eyeballs were bulging out of their sockets). Sorry if I already said this. Just figured you missed this message.
I'd include sodium alginate too (or Agar Agar). Kelp is high in this, although I can't stand the taste of kelp. Supposedly Chlorella was also used in Russia for the Chernobyl victims.
At least these were actually used for victims of nuclear radiation"
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The above is insane drivel. I used to see such conspiracy-theory nonsense all over the place - it's primarily a tactic used by alternative-health companies to scare people into buying crap supplements of no value whatsoever. Previously, the fake hype involved mention of Czernobyl or whatever latest minor, decidedly local, disaster there was , now Fukushima is the newest con.
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The above is insane drivel. I used to see such conspiracy-theory nonsense all over the place - it's primarily a tactic used by alternative-health companies to scare people into buying crap supplements of no value whatsoever. Previously, the fake hype involved mention of Czernobyl or whatever latest minor, decidedly local, disaster there was , now Fukushima is the newest con.
Tyler,
Sometimes you remind me of AV. ;)
This rant which may or may not be accurate, reminds me of your mercury rant and the 'studies' you posted about - fish in the Seychelles/mercury content.
It's easy to recognize your rants, they contain words like;
'insane drivel'
'conspiracy-theory'
'nonsense'
'all over the place'
'tactic'
etc.
I am not sure they can be considered helpful to a discussion.
This Youtube is helpful. These guys (two Canadians as it turns out) actually did the footwork, did the testing, wrote an honest to goodness book with facts, figures and logic. The book is called "Death By Rubber Duck" and amongst other things gives facts about mercury in fish.
Slow Death By Rubber Duck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obFf4qVB0fk#)
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What you don't like to admit is that the reason for my use of strong language is that I have already time and again on here and other forums referred to scientific studies which backed up my claims, so I tend to get annoyed when people resurrect such claims, after having clearly not read my scientific references. Take the mercury-in-fish-nonsense in which I cited a famous study fully debunking the whole silly notion, plus a comparison of that study with another re validity, plus I cited the fishscam.com website which pointed out further numerous flaws. Come to think of it, very, very few others here do cite studies on a regular basis to back up their claims. PP and I are the only ones who do so on a frequent basis.
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What you don't like to admit is that the reason for my use of strong language is that I have already time and again on here and other forums referred to scientific studies which backed up my claims, so I tend to get annoyed when people resurrect such claims, after having clearly not read my scientific references. Take the mercury-in-fish-nonsense in which I cited a famous study fully debunking the whole silly notion, plus a comparison of that study with another re validity, plus I cited the fishscam.com website which pointed out further numerous flaws. Come to think of it, very, very few others here do cite studies on a regular basis to back up their claims. PP and I are the only ones who do so on a frequent basis.
Apparently it isn't nonsense. Those guys did the science and proved it. Did you not see the vid.
Doesn't mean I will stop eating the fish. I like tuna. I bought a huge chunk of it when I was in Houston last year.
I think AV says that the mercury has been assimilated by the fish and is in some kind of a form that is OK for consumption. I have no idea if he is making it up as he does have that tendency, but no doubt there are some who have huge problems with mercury. I got my fillings removed and replaced with some other gunk. I noticed the difference as did my wife when she had her amalgam removed. It makes sense, as it is a powerful antibiotic.
I agree that there is silliness posted here but the youtube I posted shows that there is mercury in fish and it shows up in our blood. Just regular wild stuff he got at the store. As to where the mercury originally came from who knows. It's not like we invented mercury, it's a natural substance.
Ayurveda uses it in a highly modified form as a sexually energizer or to increase potency. I have no way of determining if that is bogus also. There was a period in around the 1600s when Ayurveda started experimenting with heavy metals in their pharmaceuticals. However, they were/are prepared in a very specific way, so they were not like what comes out of the ground.
I am OK with your rants and presumably you are OK with mine. I have my moments also when I say things that are marginal at best. I like what you say, whether I agree with it is another matter.
You force me to examine things and I like that. I would not have noticed the bit in that vid about mercury had you not brought it up before.
Thats why I posted that email. I want to hear what others think of it and I appreciate your thoughts.
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*sigh* This is easily all debunked using some simple common sense:-
1) A youtube video has far, far less credibility than a scientific study featured in prominent scientific magazines, like the long-lasting Rochester University Seychelles study. In the case of the latter study, it showed conclusively that Seychelles islanders (who eat 10 times as much seafood than the average American) did not get any health-problems at all, however minor, from all the mercury they ingested. Indeed, if you checked that study, you would find that the relevant children actually gained a bit in terms of neurological activity.Also, bear in mind that the youtube video scientists merely talked extremely vaguely about levels of pollutants existing in every human body. What they conveniently neglected to mention is that each human body contains microscopic amounts of almost every toxin in the environment, such as uranium, for example -yet, mysteriously and hypocritically, none of the anti-mercury people go on about uranium and all the other harmful substances that have been present in human bodies since the dawn of time in microscopic amounts found in nature . Now these levels are in such tiny amounts that they have no effect on the human body. Then there is the fact that those denouncing mercury will not admit that government RDA levels/targets are completely arbitrary and usually set way, way below the actual threshold where harmful symptoms start appearing,just so as to avoid any chance at all of potential side-effects.
3) Mercury-amalgam/vaccines issues. These have been comprehensively debunked by numerous studies, so waste of time to bring them up. I also had my mercury fillings removed - that did nothing for me. Granted, some people will always feel a fake placebo-like effect after removal of mercury amalgams, but that means nothing, of course.
4) AV has no proof re his contention that raw fish protects against mercury. Maybe a tiny bit, perhaps, but the Minamata Bay Incident( the japanese prefer eating their fish raw) shows that a diet consisting partially of raw seafood is no protection against mercury when it is dumped in the form of many thousands of gallons into a bay.
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When it comes to mercury in amalgams I am choosing to believe the alternative dentist (I mean really alternative -the has a dental "spa" where you get your feet rubbed while they clean your teeth kind of alternative) who has been in the business a very long time who could have charged me tens of thousands of dollars to remove my amalgams like others wanted to - but instead told me that when the amalgams are as old as mine it would make no difference. I wish I never got them by being fed a better diet when I was a youngin' - but can't do anything about that now and I'm into not doing anything that I have not been truly convinced will help because every time you change something new risks can come up.
That being said................... I LOVE eating seaweed and miso and chlorella and spirulina! Makes my body so happy. I don't know if it's because of nuclear catastrophes, amalgams or not........ but I get my seaweed from this dude up in Maine that goes out and hand collects it from pristine waters and sun dries it. Oh my - good stuff. And my favorite miso on the planet is South River. The glass jars I use forever too - perfect shape - trying to buy as few things in plastic as possible. Whether or not I'm in danger is not the important thing to me - it's that my body WANTS these things and delights in them.
When something actually works for us as individuals there's no reason to have to debunk it which is a relief with so much controversy. I mean - just about everything has people claiming things on one side and debunking it on the other side. Tyler is right too that placebo can account for so much. It can get so confusing! There comes a time where you just have to trust yourself.
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Unless I'm mistaken, it was the elevated iodine content in what they ate that protected them / reversed much of their radiation sickness. It's what I read. Don't remember where, but many times over many years. Hence the seaweed.. actually love seaweed., but never eat it due to not being anywhere near an ocean since september.
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Unless I'm mistaken, it was the elevated iodine content in what they ate that protected them / reversed much of their radiation sickness. It's what I read. Don't remember where, but many times over many years. Hence the seaweed.. actually love seaweed., but never eat it due to not being anywhere near an ocean since september.
Yeah - it was the iodine - makes it so that the thyroid isn't iodine deficient therefore thyroid doesn't absorb the "bad" iodines - at least that's what I heard too gc.
Certain seaweeds are the supposedly the best - but I just eat a big mixture.
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Spose that's one case that's pro-supplementation.