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Title: California
Post by: Coatue on March 17, 2011, 10:40:15 am
I'm considering a move to California (an hour south of San Francisco along the coast) from NJ. Can anybody recommend California in any way... is it easy to be raw paleo there? In other words, is there a good amount access to grass fed meats?

thanks!
Title: Re: California
Post by: CHK91 on March 17, 2011, 10:59:27 am
California is overrated. :P

- Expensive property
- High taxation
- Nanny state
Title: Re: California
Post by: Coatue on March 17, 2011, 12:46:58 pm
California is overrated. :P

- Expensive property
- High taxation
- Nanny state

hah...I already experience all of this in NJ except the nanny state aspect...high taxes in NJ without the state benefits and awesome weather! I'm mostly interested in Cali for the beautiful year-round weather to get some sun and outdoor activities
Title: Re: California
Post by: achillezzz on March 17, 2011, 07:16:48 pm
raw milk?
Title: Re: California
Post by: TylerDurden on March 17, 2011, 07:17:07 pm
LOTS of RVAFers around the Malibu/los angeles area plus access to raw foods aplenty.
Title: Re: California
Post by: actup on March 17, 2011, 10:54:42 pm
California is known to cause cancer and birth defects.
Arizona is bettah.
I was born in San Diego, Ca. Won't ever move back.
Hell I don't even visit often.

Move to Az and coming hiking with me.
Title: Re: California
Post by: Coatue on March 18, 2011, 06:47:49 am
California is known to cause cancer and birth defects.
Arizona is bettah.
I was born in San Diego, Ca. Won't ever move back.
Hell I don't even visit often.

Move to Az and coming hiking with me.

How does the State of California cause more cancer than anywhere else?
Title: Re: California
Post by: actup on March 18, 2011, 10:06:52 am
How does the State of California cause more cancer than anywhere else?
Good point, all cities suck. I loath Commiefornia though.
They would be the first to give you a fluoride/baton suppository and microchip you.
Hopefully it cracks off into the ocean in 644 days. Vonderplanitz doesn't even stay there anymore.
Those damn people are begging to have guns banned...
in a place where gang bangers have been breeding and recruiting for generations.
This location shifts from nanny state, to no state, and back to nanny state, at the drop of a hat every few years.
Then the possibility of radiation from Japan... ugg
Moving to Ca, is to step forehead-deep into a poopy-pie.

In conclusion, I suggest you do what feels right to you but california gives me the worst feeling ever.
Any place where the ground shakes regularly, is just not right for me.
Title: Re: California
Post by: CHK91 on March 18, 2011, 12:08:13 pm
Hopefully it cracks off into the ocean in 644 days.

...And nothing of value was lost. XD

Title: Re: California
Post by: actup on March 18, 2011, 01:05:55 pm
...And nothing of value was lost. XD
A beach in Arizona would be gained!
Title: Re: California
Post by: proteus on March 18, 2011, 02:29:55 pm
i lived in SF bay area for a year ( normally live in Brooklyn ) and i wouldn't say it is beautiful weather all year in there.

it is cold all the time for the most part, but never so cold that you can't go out and exercise and never so cold that flowers can't grow.  just cold.  not too cold.

overall the weather is much better than NY but i wasn't very happy with it.  i had a pool where i lived and there were only maybe like 20 - 30 days in the year hot enough to make use of it.  most houses in SF bay don't even have air conditioning because it is rarely hot enough to need it.

i was actually driving 10 miles down to a 24 Hour Fitness Super Sport gym to swim in an indoor heated pool instead of my own pool.  "perfect" weather for me would definitely be warmer than that, and i am originally from Russia, not from Africa or anything like that.

that said, being able to exercise outdoors ( bike and run ) year round is a HUGE benefit for health.  its also a huge benefit that you can keep your windows open most of the year ( you need to run heating for about 3 months a year, and you never run AC ).
Title: Re: California
Post by: cliff on March 18, 2011, 08:58:10 pm
Norcal is cold and shitty from what my experience, socal is where its at if you can afford it.  I would probably rather live somewhere else if I didn't surf though.  No matter where you go in cali you will probably have good access to raw animal foods but don't forget its extremely expensive out here(it averages around $7-10/lb for legit grass fed meats, half that for organs)
Title: Re: California
Post by: CHK91 on March 19, 2011, 12:56:37 am
I would recommend Colorado. Grass fed meat access would be easy and there would be NO shortage of outdoor activities. It's a beautiful place. If I ever decided to move away from Texas, I would go to Colorado or one of the mountain States around that area.
Title: Re: California
Post by: MoonStalkeR on March 19, 2011, 01:43:27 am
There is a high chance that I'm moving to the San Diego area later this year for the climate. I live in Brooklyn too and the weather is terrible.
Title: Re: California
Post by: brokenbox on March 26, 2011, 04:39:08 pm
I live in Cali, Los Angeles, Santa Monica to be exact.. I dislike it cuz I was born here and despite the property I now own is worth close to 1 mil. its uncomfortable because my family wasn't wealthy they just bought out at the right time.. People are pretentious everything is a facade, traffic is horrendous and its crowded and noisy but thats mostly LA. I do love San Fran, and SD is where my husband works, for me it was too slow but now that I'm back in LA I miss it, its slower paced and the weather does seem to be better down south.. Creepy thing is the weather, it aint so great anymore, its been really cold the last couple yrs. I was reminiscing with a friends yesterday and we can all recall long and hot summers, its like an ice age is slowly coming... Today was sunny for once but very very cold. We went down to the beach and couldn't take how cold it was, and this is almost April! I plan to move to Florida as I love that humid hot Caribbean weather but yes Cali is way overrated at this point and expensive to boot, however, being raw in LA or anything different is so easy since we have so many "conscious" or whatever-into health, freaks. So whole foods, TJ's, co-ops, farmers markets, and "secret" raw shops.. AJ lives in Malibu too far from where I am... plus raw dairy is legal... Either way its always worth a visit..
Title: Re: California
Post by: actup on March 27, 2011, 12:34:38 am
... "secret" raw shops..

Interesting... is it tax free and/or cheaper?
Title: Re: California
Post by: cliff on March 27, 2011, 12:51:25 am
Interesting... is it tax free and/or cheaper?

I think shes talking about rawesome?  If that is the case they are overpriced and shady imo
Title: Re: California
Post by: Wolf on June 26, 2011, 02:14:15 am
The smog here is terrible.  I live in socal, I think a bit southeastish from L.A., I'm not entirely sure because I've never really been to L.A, but it's not far from here.  But I have trouble breathing because of all the smog.  but raw foods aren't too difficult to get, and closer to the beach I think are all those places like rawsome and stuff that you can get good foods from.
Title: Re: California
Post by: eveheart on June 26, 2011, 02:39:49 am
Can anybody recommend California in any way... is it easy to be raw paleo there? In other words, is there a good amount access to grass fed meats?

Did you get enough info about your original question?  :)

I live an hour south of SF. I've lived in other California locations, too. Yes, I recommend this area... for its moderate weather, its cultural diversity, its educational opportunities, its lifestyle. It's great here. I've lived places that I have hated, so I realize that it's a very personal thing.

And, yes, there is great access to grass-fed meats, some at okay prices. Raw dairy is hard-to-impossible to find.
Title: Re: California
Post by: Wolf on June 26, 2011, 11:19:16 pm
Raw dairy isn't all that difficult to find, as far as I have seen there are two raw dairy farms in California that I have been able to get raw milk from.. the first is organic pastures, and the other is claravale farms.  You can go to their websites to find locations for their raw milk.  Northern Cali might have more options for raw dairy, I think there's nicer farms up north, but those two farms sell raw milk in SoCal.

http://www.organicpastures.com/

http://claravaledairy.com/
Title: Re: California
Post by: eveheart on June 27, 2011, 01:03:42 am
Raw dairy isn't all that difficult to find, as far as I have seen there are two raw dairy farms in California that I have been able to get raw milk from...

I agree that both those dairies are the chief producer of raw cow's dairy, BUT... distribution can be very hit and miss. You need to be in the right city, shopping on the right day, and hope the order came in. It was different in the olden days, when I could get raw dairy products delivered to my door by a milk truck.
Title: Re: California
Post by: Wolf on June 29, 2011, 12:10:29 am
Well, the store that I shop at pretty much almost always has milk from Organic Pastures in stock, everyday.  It's very rare that I'll go in and there be no milk!  The other products are more hit and miss though, such as the butter, cultured butter, qephor, colostrum, and all that are often less in stock than the actual milk.  But I think you can order from Organic pastures, http://www.organicpastures.com/shop.html  it looks like they will deliver their milk to you.
Title: Re: California
Post by: Coatue on June 29, 2011, 10:11:41 am
Well, the store that I shop at pretty much almost always has milk from Organic Pastures in stock, everyday.  It's very rare that I'll go in and there be no milk!  The other products are more hit and miss though, such as the butter, cultured butter, qephor, colostrum, and all that are often less in stock than the actual milk.  But I think you can order from Organic pastures, http://www.organicpastures.com/shop.html  it looks like they will deliver their milk to you.

For my one month in Cali, I have to say claravale milk is much better than organic pastures. Its pure jersey milk and comes in glass bottles so no plastic taste you get with organic pastures
Title: Re: California
Post by: cliff on June 29, 2011, 07:45:35 pm
The pasteurized organic non homogenized milk from trader joes(its from strauss farms) is better then OP milk imo, its half the price too.  Not raw but I'm not really concerned with 15 seconds of 160 degrees or so.

I've never had calaravile but I remeber it being even more expensive then OP

Also for anyone who doesn't know OP has some pretty shady practices, they outsource for a couple of there products like colostrum and I've read they will buy pretty shitty raw milk and pass it off as from there grass fed cows. 

He confirmed the statement and left a real beauty in my email inbox.
Not only was the colostrum from another dairy, but it was from one of the most notorious dairies in California: the Vander Eyk Organic Dairy out of Pixley, California.
Perhaps you have heard of the Vander Eyk Dairy right here on this blog. My husband and I stayed up late one June evening learning video editing to get this video out with the breaking news story.
The Vander Eyk Organic Dairy is the first and only dairy in U.S. history to lose its organic certification.

http://www.rebuild-from-depression.com/blog/2008/04/the_elephant_in_the_raw_milk_r.html

OP parades around as "grass fed" alluding to being 100% GF but they aren't.  Imo Mark Mcafee is a snake and I would never support the dude.
Title: Re: California
Post by: Wolf on June 30, 2011, 12:23:38 am
For my one month in Cali, I have to say claravale milk is much better than organic pastures. Its pure jersey milk and comes in glass bottles so no plastic taste you get with organic pastures

Yes, I really like Claravale farms jersey milk in the glass bottles a lot more, and the rare times I do find it in the store I shop at, I buy it over the Organic Pastures milk.. however, the only problem with Claravale farms (which also provides raw goat milk, too actually) is that they are not certified organic, and will use antibiotics on their cows if their cows become sick (although those cows are kept separate from the milking herd and their milk is not sold until the antibiotics are out of their system).. I also heard tell that they can't always get organic feed for their cows, but that was from one of the employees at the store I buy my raw milk from, when I asked why they didn't have the claravale farm milk anymore.. so I don't know for sure how reliable the information is, because after that, they got Claravale milk in again.
Title: Re: California
Post by: Wolf on June 30, 2011, 12:31:01 am
The pasteurized organic non homogenized milk from trader joes(its from strauss farms) is better then OP milk imo, its half the price too.  Not raw but I'm not really concerned with 15 seconds of 160 degrees or so.

I've never had calaravile but I remeber it being even more expensive then OP

Also for anyone who doesn't know OP has some pretty shady practices, they outsource for a couple of there products like colostrum and I've read they will buy pretty shitty raw milk and pass it off as from there grass fed cows. 

He confirmed the statement and left a real beauty in my email inbox.
Not only was the colostrum from another dairy, but it was from one of the most notorious dairies in California: the Vander Eyk Organic Dairy out of Pixley, California.
Perhaps you have heard of the Vander Eyk Dairy right here on this blog. My husband and I stayed up late one June evening learning video editing to get this video out with the breaking news story.
The Vander Eyk Organic Dairy is the first and only dairy in U.S. history to lose its organic certification.

http://www.rebuild-from-depression.com/blog/2008/04/the_elephant_in_the_raw_milk_r.html

OP parades around as "grass fed" alluding to being 100% GF but they aren't.  Imo Mark Mcafee is a snake and I would never support the dude.

I don't want to drink pasteurized milk, which is why I don't get the strauss milk.. Pasteurized milk tastes like plastic to me.  I've never drank the colostrum from OP, but even if the milk isn't as great of quality, it's never given me any problems, it tastes great, and it's raw.  IMO it seems pretty much the same as having to choose between eating raw organic possibly grain-fed meat, or cooked grass-fed meat.. I think I'd prefer the raw.. but to each his own
Title: Re: California
Post by: cliff on June 30, 2011, 08:46:10 pm
OP never gave me problems either, mark mcafee is still a snake :)

regarding pasteurized milk to each their own, definitely doesn't taste like plastic to me.  I think it actually taste better then OP personally and it seems to have way more cream(best part imo!).  It's half the price too and I notice no health differences(my health is superior now but that's due to other issues)

I don't think your comparison really holds up.  Grass fed meat and grain fed meat aren't as different as Grass fed and grain fed milk imo and  Cooking meat at high temperatures doesn't equal running milk through a 160F tube for 16 seconds.
Title: Re: California
Post by: SteakNchop on July 28, 2011, 06:08:19 am
I don't want to drink pasteurized milk, which is why I don't get the strauss milk.. Pasteurized milk tastes like plastic to me.  I've never drank the colostrum from OP, but even if the milk isn't as great of quality, it's never given me any problems, it tastes great, and it's raw.  IMO it seems pretty much the same as having to choose between eating raw organic possibly grain-fed meat, or cooked grass-fed meat.. I think I'd prefer the raw.. but to each his own
Also, the county with Strauss milk (where I live) has the highest cancer rate in the country. Just something to think about.

If you ever want some sour cream, Nancy's beats out just about anything.
Title: Re: California
Post by: eoterm on September 18, 2012, 04:29:12 pm
Milk fats/cholesterol are very delicate and become rancid due to pasteurization, if I am not mistaken rancid fats = free radicals?   :(
Title: Re: California
Post by: van on September 19, 2012, 12:51:34 am
organic pastures is not grass fed only.   They do grain.  Huge difference between grain and grass fed milk..
Title: Re: California
Post by: CitrusHigh on September 19, 2012, 12:59:38 am
Ehrmehrgerd Van you aren't kidding! They get 5lbs of grain each day! Gross! Fuck OP, I thought they were 100% grassfed, guess McAfee is kind of a dingleberry after all.
Title: Re: California
Post by: eoterm on September 19, 2012, 03:41:18 am
yep here something about Claravale and OP

http://healthytraditions.com/blog/post.cfm/certified-raw-milk-in-california-visits-to-the-two-raw-milk-dairies (http://healthytraditions.com/blog/post.cfm/certified-raw-milk-in-california-visits-to-the-two-raw-milk-dairies)
Title: Re: California
Post by: A_Tribe_Called_Paleo on August 05, 2014, 12:37:47 am
California is known to cause cancer and birth defects.
Arizona is bettah.
I was born in San Diego, Ca. Won't ever move back.
Hell I don't even visit often.

Move to Az and coming hiking with me.

how does california cause cancer? radiation from fukushima?
Title: Re: California
Post by: Wolf on August 18, 2014, 04:57:04 pm
how does california cause cancer? radiation from fukushima?

Probably all the smog.  It's pretty terrible here sometimes, I wouldn't be surprised if I got lung cancer despite never having smoked a cigarette in my life.

Also the grain, fed to OP and Calravale farms cows, is grass grain, it is explained on Claravale farms' website here:  http://claravaledairy.com/faq.html (http://claravaledairy.com/faq.html)
Just scroll down a few questions to "Are Claravale Farm’s cows totally pasture fed?"

a few things they mention there, "Contrary to popular belief, total, year round pasture feeding is not natural for cattle and is not the way in which dairy cattle have historically been managed. ... Year round pasture feeding of dairy cows requires the artificial creation of year round pastures by intensive irrigation, which requires energy and water, both limited resources in California. ... Hay is dried pasture.  Grain is grass seed.  All three of these feeds (hay, grain, pasture) are completely natural and important feeds for dairy cattle. All three are historically important feeds for dairy cattle. All three have been important components of the diets of dairy cattle for the entire history of their existence on this earth. ... A good quality, high producing dairy cow cannot do well on green pasture alone. Even the best pasture does not contain the nutrition it needs to produce the milk it was bred to produce. (Important note: this is different than for beef cattle that can do just fine on green pasture alone. Beef cattle only put on a few hundred pounds of weight in their lives. Dairy cattle do this as well and produce thousands of gallons of milk every year in addition.) ... Given long term free access to pasture, hay and grain they will eat lots and lots of hay and grain.  Historically, no dairy based culture has ever tried to artificially create year round pastures to feed dairy cattle. ... In addition, grass fed cows produce milk that has an "off" flavor. The older literature contains many references to the fact that cows which are on pasture produce milk which tastes bad. ... Every year when our cows do get some pasture we always get complaints about the taste of the milk."

that's only a very very small part of what they say on the website, there's a whole ton more of information they put up if you want to read it.  They also even mention OP in the question right after that one.
Title: Re: California
Post by: van on August 18, 2014, 11:41:33 pm
You gotta love marketing companies.  That means all the grass fed dairies are starving their cows from not feeding them grain (whoops, I'm sorry, grass seeds) for some part of the year.  I'm sorry, but I'm calling this bullshit.   Europe has been feeding their grass only fed dairy cow grass and hay only for hundreds of years.    But then there's a slight chance that they are actually calling the seed heads that grow on real grass grain.  My fields get that at the end of the year.   But to feed grain and call that grass seeds is just plain marketing.
Title: Re: California
Post by: eveheart on August 19, 2014, 02:10:22 am
But to feed grain and call that grass seeds is just plain marketing.

Yes, it's just plain marketing. But, you have to realize that plain marketing tells the truth while relying on the consumer's ignorance.  In this case, ALL GRAINS are grass seeds. Wheat, rice, oats, corn, etc. are in the grass family. Grasses do go to seed at the end of summer, and a grazing cow would eat the seeds at the appropriate time of year. That's a far cry from year-round grain supplementation.

Another point of ignorance that this company relies on is the misconception that a natural pasture is all grass, when in fact pastureland consists of grasses and legumes, with a few other plants mixed in. I wonder what your dairy uses for their hay mixture?

Finally, I ROFLMAO'd at the assertion that a female bovine (cow) and a male bovine require different diets. That so-called difference only serves the dairy as it forces voluminous milk production; it does not benefit the animal, who would be far healthier on natural forage.
Title: Re: California
Post by: eveheart on September 05, 2014, 01:59:32 am
Looking for good hunting grounds for deer or pig in Monterrey, Santa Cruz, San Benito, Santa Clara, Napa, Sonoma, Mendocino, Lake, or other Zone A counties. My son is a licensed, considerate, sober, experienced hunter. Do you have a favorite place that is on BLM or private (not for a fee) land?
Title: Re: California
Post by: Robinlove on June 13, 2017, 07:17:05 am
I'm in the Bay area In Cali. Lots of farmer's markets. I find raw, grass fed meats, butter, dairies, cheeses, kefirs, yogurts, and pasture raised eggs at the bigger ones. The food is great.

The population density, now that is a whole other ball game... Can of worms, really.

If you move to location you described, let's meet up and nom nom together.
Title: Re: California
Post by: Robinlove on June 13, 2017, 07:17:59 am
Looking for good hunting grounds for deer or pig in Monterrey, Santa Cruz, San Benito, Santa Clara, Napa, Sonoma, Mendocino, Lake, or other Zone A counties. My son is a licensed, considerate, sober, experienced hunter. Do you have a favorite place that is on BLM or private (not for a fee) land?
please take me with you if you find any. Im in the area and working on my hunting license.
Title: Re: California
Post by: surfsteve on June 13, 2017, 11:19:54 pm
I live about a hundred miles from death valley. There isn't much to hunt here except an occasional coyote and rabbits. The best way to find them would be to wait till dark and drive to town really fast hoping to hit one with the car. I am always having to slow down for them and swerve out of the way. I could probably get quite a few of them if I were to change my strategy.
Title: Re: California
Post by: Robinlove on June 15, 2017, 08:40:25 am
Did you get enough info about your original question?  :)

I live an hour south of SF. I've lived in other California locations, too. Yes, I recommend this area... for its moderate weather, its cultural diversity, its educational opportunities, its lifestyle. It's great here. I've lived places that I have hated, so I realize that it's a very personal thing.

And, yes, there is great access to grass-fed meats, some at okay prices. Raw dairy is hard-to-impossible to find.

What part? I'm in San Jose.
Title: Re: California
Post by: DeanNewman on February 13, 2018, 01:44:24 am
The pasteurized organic non homogenized milk from trader joes(its from strauss farms) is better then OP milk imo, its half the price too.  Not raw but I'm not really concerned with 15 seconds of 160 degrees or so.

I've never had calaravile but I remeber it being even more expensive then OP

Also for anyone who doesn't know OP has some pretty shady practices, they outsource for a couple of there products like colostrum and I've read they will buy pretty shitty raw milk and pass it off as from there grass fed cows. 

He confirmed the statement and left a real beauty in my email inbox.
Not only was the colostrum from another dairy, but it was from one of the most notorious dairies in California: the Vander Eyk Organic Dairy out of Pixley, California.
Perhaps you have heard of the Vander Eyk Dairy right here on this blog. My husband and I stayed up late one June evening learning video editing to get this video out with the breaking news story.
The Vander Eyk Organic Dairy is the first and only dairy in U.S. history to lose its organic certification.


OP parades around as "grass fed" alluding to being 100% GF but they aren't.  Imo Mark Mcafee is a snake and I would never support the dude.


Organic Pastures sneaks grains into their feed. I have a close friend who knows someone on the inside of Organic Pastures and he confirmed that they have been putting grains into the feed for well over 10 years -- while lying to the public and selling their products as "grass fed" -- destroying people's health while charging them grass fed prices. If they behave like this behind the scenes, what else are they hiding? I definitely don't buy their products. There are plenty of legit farmers out there.
Title: Re: California
Post by: TylerDurden on February 13, 2018, 08:20:05 am
Thanks for that kind of info. There was a similiar issue re Aajonus and Fallon etc. What we depend on is helpful people who check the relevant forums to find out any irregularities....
Title: Re: California
Post by: van on February 13, 2018, 09:11:50 am
I dont believe they Ever said they only fed grass.   They told me on the phone some years ago their feeding practices...
Title: Re: California
Post by: DeanNewman on February 13, 2018, 11:41:42 am
Wow van, sounds like you may have gotten some accurate info from them. I imagine some others may have as well.

When I was researching OP two of their office employees, two Farmer's Market employees and one employee at another outlet told me unequivocally that they fed the animals grass only (sometimes a little hay). One of the employees even told me a story about how "bad" some of the other "grass-fed" companies were because they included grains in the food and OP didn't. And all of the local WAPF folks that I happened to talk to about OP told me that they believed that the cows were 100% percent grass-fed. I actually bought some of their products a few times originally but, of course once I found out the truth, stopped doing business with them.
Title: Re: California
Post by: Apani on February 13, 2018, 04:43:49 pm
I wouldn't be surprised, here in Italy farmers feed grains to their livestock all the time as they've been doing so for generations and see it as an healthy practice. My grandma does, so does my trusted butcher.

The lady who distributes raw milk in our zone has been told by a "doctor" working in the Parmesan industry to feed her cows with a grain & soy based multivitamin supplement. No wonder one of the cows had a river of mucus dripping from her nose...
Title: Re: California
Post by: Dingeman on February 14, 2018, 05:49:10 am

The lady who distributes raw milk in our zone has been told by a "doctor" working in the Parmesan industry to feed her cows with a grain & soy based multivitamin supplement. No wonder one of the cows had a river of mucus dripping from her nose...

Fucking disgusting, people that mistreat their animals like that.. I have no words. Not only does it destroy the animal's health, it also destroys the health of the consumers.
Title: Re: California
Post by: Apani on February 14, 2018, 07:21:01 pm
I don't blame her, most people around the world have zero idea on what's an animal's natural diet, let alone an old uneducated farmer. Good luck ever sourcing any meat that hasn't had soy in it.

Anyways, give me some scientific articles documenting the dangers of soy and grain to animals and I will do my best to inform her.
Title: Re: California
Post by: Apani on February 15, 2018, 03:26:08 am
Ok, so I visited the farmer lady and I got explained things in more detail.


When she wanted to start selling it, the milk from her cows was taken to a lab to be analyzed, and its values were too low. So she had to supplement it, or she wouldn't have been allowed to sell it. She looked everywhere to find non-GMO soy and corn, even just the seeds to grow 'em by herself, but the best she could find was a supplement used for the cows that make Parmigiano Reggiano.

This begs the question, do farmers in other countries also have to feed GMO soy and corn in order to be able to sell raw milk? If that's the case, that would explain TylerDurden's problems with it.
Title: Re: California
Post by: TylerDurden on February 15, 2018, 05:18:47 am
Hmm, there really are some people with food-intolerance/food-allergies towards raw milk, however grassfed etc. I will admit that I read online rumours that grassfed farmers routinely fed their cattle on grains as this apparently stimulated milk-production or some such...Point being that sheep etc. are fed on far less grain, some 0%, yet I still had problems with raw sheeps milk.

I had an MRT scan a while back which showed brain-damage, and there are a number of studies showing how dairy/grains etc. can cause brain-damage, not just the usual allergy-related symptoms such as skin-rashes etc.
Title: Re: California
Post by: Apani on February 15, 2018, 06:17:27 am
That's not a rumor, that farmer lady just confirmed that she HAD to so if she wanted to keep selling her milk.

Probably sheep and goat farmers have to do so as well.
Title: Re: California
Post by: sabertooth on February 15, 2018, 01:35:52 pm
That's not a rumor, that farmer lady just confirmed that she HAD to so if she wanted to keep selling her milk.

Probably sheep and goat farmers have to do so as well.

The problem could be that if you take cattle that have been for generations supplemented grains, and been put on pastures with less than Ideal forage, then they may not produce optimal milk....though I would also question the laboratories baseline levels and called standards which may be entirely based on grain fed control groups. Sure it may have higher protein and other "nutrient" levels but it may also have higher levels of harmful elements as well...I simply do not have faith in much of what passes for laboratory nutritional science. Develop your own sense-ability and learn to go by taste and gut reaction.

Sheep and goats are a different animals, and if they have been bred to thrive on pasture and the pasture contains enough optimal forage the their milk shouldn't need any supplementation at all. Ive had purely pasture raised sheep milk and it is far richer in taste than any cows milk I know of. There are also a number of heritage breed cattle which do better in general on pasture without supplementation.
Title: Re: California
Post by: DeanNewman on February 16, 2018, 05:36:55 am
...and there are a number of studies showing how dairy/grains etc. can cause brain-damage, not just the usual allergy-related symptoms such as skin-rashes etc.

Does this also include raw butter and cheese or just milk?
Title: Re: California
Post by: TylerDurden on February 16, 2018, 03:32:43 pm
Does this also include raw butter and cheese or just milk?
  yes.