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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Hot Topics => Topic started by: Löwenherz on April 20, 2011, 02:48:24 am
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UK man on calorie restriction for 20 years:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TElbEVlYZo4&feature=player_embedded
Löwenherz
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He looks young, so maybe something is working.
His body looks feminised or artificially boyish though. Blow that for a lifestyle.
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Cliff Richards been doing it longer.
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What about a lower calorie version of the raw paleo diet, I think it could offer the anti aging age benefits of calorie restriction without the emaciation and lowered vitality. I personally follow a lower calorie than average diet, for someone as active as me. I am somewhere around 2000 a day( not exactly sure), which is low for a full grown man who works hard every day. I feel as strong as ever at 165 pounds and have no shortage of energy.
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I'm afraid you are likely mistaken. I strongly suspect that the main benefits of caloric restriction involve the fact that such people doing CR are taking in far fewer amounts of heat-created toxins per day, so that their bodies have more time to get rid of them. That's all. So doing CR versions of RPD is unlikely to be useful. Plus, CR leads to general emaciation and other problems.
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Perhaps a 1600 calorie a day, extremely restricted raw diet, would not be Ideal, but what I am saying is that those who stay in the two thousand a day range , may live considerably longer than those in the 2500 plus range.
Its an extreme generalization, but its food for thought.
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He looks young, so maybe something is working.
His body looks feminised or artificially boyish though. Blow that for a lifestyle.
He looks feminized.
How is his sex life?
Is his calorie restriction raw paleo diet?
Does he have raw meat and raw fat in his diet?
I see vegs and fruit. Fetta cheese?
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People doing calorie restriction report loss of sex drive, and will have low testosterone. I think that's sort of the point.
Some people think the body enters a survival state to get through a famine instead of being in a normal mating state.
There may be something in what Tyler says about lower levels of toxins, but there may be more to it as well.
I wouldn't choose to restrict my calories. However, as raw animal products are the most nutrient dense it is a side benefit that you have to eat somewhat less food to get nutrients.
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loss of sex drive = bad, bad, bad
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What about a lower calorie version of the raw paleo diet, I think it could offer the anti aging age benefits of calorie restriction without the emaciation and lowered vitality. I personally follow a lower calorie than average diet, for someone as active as me. I am somewhere around 2000 a day( not exactly sure), which is low for a full grown man who works hard every day. I feel as strong as ever at 165 pounds and have no shortage of energy.
Although I don't count calories I have the strong feeling that I need fewer calories on a raw paleo diet than on a cooked paleo diet. People always talk about calories, but I think nutrient quality and absorption is at least equally important. For example: Raw animal food gives me much more energy than the same food in a cooked version. And food combining plays also a role: On a zero carb animal food diet I need definitely more food than on a vlc or lc diet.
For me 'calories' are one example of oversimplification.
Löwenherz
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Does anyone agree that there has to be a limit to the amount of food one can consume before it begins to cause premature aging due to increased metabolic waste?
There has to be a general threshold to the maximum amount of calories that can be tolerated without causing a significant increase in aging. Say someone who eats 3000 calories or more each day, must accumulate more metabolic waste and therefor, age faster than someone who eats only 2000 calories a day.
There are numerous other factors involved, of course, and there are a number of very burly men that still live to be a ripe old age, and then there are men who after reaching the golden years will naturally lean down a bit , perhaps as a way to cope with a slower metabolism.
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Why would it be a threshold not a sliding scale? Perhaps the food we eat now, causes some aging...but you have to eat.
If you're on raw paleo and not eating stupid amounts, you're probably doing everything you can.
I wouldn't go for calorie restriction unless you really buy that the process will give you much longer life. Some of the possible reasons we've already got covered on raw paleo like removing AGEs, (probably) low carb etc.
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The way people on CR seem to see it is that they want to preserve their life as long as possible so that life extension technology will be developed to make them immortal. They also may think that it prevents major diseases.
Well we've got the diseases pretty much covered here.
So it depends if you accept the tradeoff between the effects of calorie restriction, and the (untested) promise of preserving your life. And everyone may die before life extension tech becomes real anyway.
I prefer to live my life and have full hormones, strength etc.
I think some people who go for CR like the effects anyway. They're attracted to being boyish or androgynous because it feels youthful to them. Up to them, they may well be prolonging their life and healthspan a bit over standard eating.
I'm pleased that I've found a diet where you can eat fully and still do right by your body.
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This guy looks a little boyish too. Note the huge weight he lifts.
http://www.oprah.com/health/Live-Longer-Meal-Plan-Video
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Its just a hunch, but I still believe that staying on the lean side of a paleo diet has other benefits beyond just simple reduction of metabolic aging. Staying lean and fit while at the same time getting a healthy amount of fat and other super-nutrients, can build a frame that is stronger and at the same time lean, and thus less prone to damage and better capable of making repairs when damaged. Also If I were much larger it would be more difficult to do the type of things I do for a living, like climbing up the sides of buildings or contorting into confined spaces. Just the fact that a lager caloric intake means that the body has to maintain a larger body of cells as well as deal with the increased burden of gravity may impact aging in a small but very real way.
If one is otherwise healthy and robust, extra weight may not be to much of a factor when adding in all the other factors that deal with aging, but it must at least be considered when framing an Ideal diet that would give one the maximum longevity benefits without sacrificing quality of life.
To live long and prosper, should be the goal of anyone's dietary aspirations. No one wants to live to be 100 if it means spending the prime years as a skeleton figure with low, energy , sex drive, and has to wear long-johns year round to keep warm.
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Yeh I agree staying lean is probably better. I think it's much harder to get fat doing what we do though.
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Aajonus is of the opinion that we must be a little overweight.
You never know when you are going to need that extra reserve.
It's not always peace time.
It's not always abundance time.
For example if you got injured, say a broken bone, or unable to eat, car is a total wreck, those reserves aajonus recommends will count... a lot.
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I don't know, depends what you mean by overweight. I am pretty lean i.e. no visible gut or rolls and it feels better than having a very slight belly.
Not sure if I'd want to be very low bodyfat, completely ripped though.
I wouldn't personally want to have a belly just in case there's an emergency as I feel it's healthier in general not to.
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Does anyone agree that there has to be a limit to the amount of food one can consume before it begins to cause premature aging due to increased metabolic waste?
Yes, definitely!
From my own experience I would say that too much protein is the worst thing regarding aging, second is sugar. Fat seems to be the least damaging macro-nutrient, as long as it is mostly saturated.
I have the feeling that fresh raw coconut milk and/or cream has even rejuvenating effects! Therefore I will try an dietary experiment: 70-80 % fat from coconut (milk/cream), seafood and one piece of fruit per day, all raw of course. Let's see...
I wonder why coconut milk and cream always makes me happy whereas beef and lamb fat makes me angry. Butter also gives me very good mood but due to other problems I strictly avoid all dairy products.
Löwenherz
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There seems to be some macrobiotic synergy that I get from eating coconut butter, lamb fat and beef. These three ingredients form the backbone of my diet, and without enough lamb fat or coconut butter I cant eat meat without completely losing my apatite. To much protein is not tolerated well.
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Yes, definitely!
From my own experience I would say that too much protein is the worst thing regarding aging, second is sugar. Fat seems to be the least damaging macro-nutrient, as long as it is mostly saturated.
I have the feeling that fresh raw coconut milk and/or cream has even rejuvenating effects! Therefore I will try an dietary experiment: 70-80 % fat from coconut (milk/cream), seafood and one piece of fruit per day, all raw of course. Let's see...
I wonder why coconut milk and cream always makes me happy whereas beef and lamb fat makes me angry. Butter also gives me very good mood but due to other problems I strictly avoid all dairy products.
Löwenherz
what will be your source for the coconut fat?... e.g. will you make your own cream?, or buy it?
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what will be your source for the coconut fat?... e.g. will you make your own cream?, or buy it?
Well, that's a problem.. Here in europe it's nearly impossible to get fresh mature coconuts. They are usually spoilt after a long journey via ship. But I can get frozen coconut shreds from Vietnam in Asia shops. It's pretty expensive but the quality is perfect. From these shreds I make raw coconut milk with a blender and sieve...
Löwenherz
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There seems to be some macrobiotic synergy that I get from eating coconut butter, lamb fat and beef. These three ingredients form the backbone of my diet, and without enough lamb fat or coconut butter I cant eat meat without completely losing my apatite. To much protein is not tolerated well.
Do you get any problems when cutting out the coconut fat?
Sometimes I find lamb fat relatively hard to digest. I can't eat as much as I like, my digestive system can handle only limited amounts of lamb fat. I usually prefer lamb back fat...
Löwenherz
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Do you get any problems whenn cutting out the coconut fat?
Sometimes I find lamb fat relatively hard to digest. I can't eat as much as I like, my digestive system can handle only limited amounts of lamb fat. I usually prefer lamb back fat...
Löwenherz
I do seem to have problems when cutting out coconut fat, I lose my appetite and energy levels.
It's hard to describe the exact feeling but I can tell something is missing and I usually never go more than two days without any coconut. Is it addiction or just they way my instincts have found to keep me healthy? I am not exactly sure.
It seems to be my Achilles' heel, but I swear that I am doing so well on my current diet that there is no reason to try to go without or experiment with alternatives. I am one with the coconut.
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I do seem to have problems when cutting out coconut fat, I lose my appetite and energy levels.
It's hard to describe the exact feeling but I can tell something is missing...
Hmm.. Very interesting. I wonder what these missing nutrients could be? Your Artisana coconut butter contains a lot of fiber, lots of minerals, medium chain fatty acids from the added coconut oil and some sugars. Maybe it's just the sugar? Tyler also reported losing appetite and low energy levels on zero carb diets some time ago. It's the same with me, too. But the longer I stay high animal fat vlc, the more intolerant I become against fruit. Maybe this "100% keto-adaption" needs much more time in some persons? Time will tell...
Löwenherz
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Zero carb doesn't work for me, but I have found that just a small amount of low glycemic coconut carbs are all I need to feel well. I think between the coconut butter and the lemon water I get about 30 grams of carbs per day. I am totally intolerant to fruits and will feel terrible if I eat more that a few berries.
The coconut fat seems to have a positive effect as well, but its hard to tell why it seems so beneficial to myself, while others have trouble with coconut in general. I still eat about two jars a week, there just isn't anything else I have found that makes me feel this good.
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Zero carb doesn't work for me, but I have found that just a small amount of low glycemic coconut carbs are all I need to feel well. I think between the coconut butter and the lemon water I get about 30 grams of carbs per day. I am totally intolerant to fruits and will feel terrible if I eat more that a few berries.
The coconut fat seems to have a positive effect as well, but its hard to tell why it seems so beneficial to myself, while others have trouble with coconut in general. I still eat about two jars a week, there just isn't anything else I have found that makes me feel this good.
Maybe your extreme reaction to fruits is a sign of a candida overgrowth and capric and lauric acids in coconut fat help reducing fungal problems...
Löwenherz