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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: Fermenter Zym on May 11, 2012, 09:06:18 pm
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I have had chronic lyme for about three years and just when I thought I might get over it with diet I get bit by another tick. I just started having new neck pains, back pains, and a return of my panic attacks.
I'm hoping I'll be able to go on antibiotics as that seems to be the only effective treatment in the early stages, but does everyone think its okay to eat raw while on antibiotics? I'm concerned that maybe the lack of gut flora will lead me to be more open to infections or something.
jared
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I've been bitten by so many deer ticks now that I've lost count. Borrelia is like any other microbe. Give it a playground and it will run wild, have a clean system and it will benign.
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Ive been bitten by so many deer ticks now that ive lost count. Borrelia is like any other microbe. Give it a playground and it will run wild, have a clean system and it will benign.
That's my hope, considering that my MD doesn't want to give me antibiotics anyways. If I do want them I'll have to seek out an out-of-practice Lyme doctor which will surely cost a pretty penny. I wish I had some high meat.
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That's my hope, considering that my MD doesn't want to give me antibiotics anyways. If I do want them I'll have to seek out an out-of-practice Lyme doctor which will surely cost a pretty penny. I wish I had some high meat.
Have you investigated using a rife machine?
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Have you investigated using a rife machine?
I used to have one. I never noticed any benefit or reaction from it unfortunately. Do you use them?
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I haven't although I am considering getting one. A friend has one that has cured his and his daughter's cancer as well as a host of other issues, as he uses it for his friends and family. There is a certain amount of knowledge that is necessary to use them effectively.
His unit does it radionically. Essentially it works by putting some DNA from the patient between the two electrodes. DNA could be a hair or fingernail. Simple as that. No connection. The peron does not have to be in the room or the city or the country. Distance does not mean anything. Works on a large amount of diseases.
What make/model is yours? What vintage? Is it a Zapper or a Rife machine? Does it use electricity/sound or light?
There is a whole community of people in the world designing, building and treating with these devices.
Regarding Lyme, there is a lively discussion online about treating it, but my friend seems to think that doing it radionically seems to be the better choice and yet it is not one that is discussed.
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Beats the snot out of antibiotics AFAIAC
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I haven't although I am considering getting one. A friend has one that has cured his and his daughter's cancer as well as a host of other issues, as he uses it for his friends and family. There is a certain amount of knowledge that is necessary to use them effectively.
His unit does it radionically. Essentially it works by putting some DNA from the patient between the two electrodes. DNA could be a hair or fingernail. Simple as that. No connection. The peron does not have to be in the room or the city or the country. Distance does not mean anything. Works on a large amount of diseases.
What make/model is yours? What vintage? Is it a Zapper or a Rife machine? Does it use electricity/sound or light?
There is a whole community of people in the world designing, building and treating with these devices.
Regarding Lyme, there is a lively discussion online about treating it, but my friend seems to think that doing it radionically seems to be the better choice and yet it is not one that is discussed.
That's fascinating. It was a Doug Coil Machine which works with sound and electricity. It is supposed to be one of the most powerful machines from my research. I wish it would have worked. Have you had any health problems solved by this machine?
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Fermenter - have you thought about assisting your immune system with things such as mushrooms such as cordyceps, shitake etc. and herbs? There are lots of ways to help your immune system fight.
I've seen rife used with no effect too many times - and I was introduced to it by lyme disease sufferers.
Al - were those cures managed with no other treatment or change in diet? Was the rife the only variable? I'd like to hear more about that.
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Fermenter - have you thought about assisting your immune system with things such as mushrooms such as cordyceps, shitake etc. and herbs? There are lots of ways to help your immune system fight.
I've seen rife used with no effect too many times - and I was introduced to it by lyme disease sufferers.
Al - were those cures managed with no other treatment or change in diet? Was the rife the only variable? I'd like to hear more about that.
I'm taking Oil of Oregano now. I'm probably going to start taking Olive Leaf Extract on top of that for its anti-bacterial, anti-fungal, and anti-viral properties. I haven't played around much with mushrooms because of suspected Candida. Do you have any recommendations for herbs?
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In terms of herbs that candida hate the most - I'd vote for garlic. That's the premier candida killer.
In terms of supercharging the immune system I think that tinctures of mushrooms like shitake, maitake-d cordyceps etc. could help boost the immune system and I don't know why they would be contra-indicated with candida. I can understand why you wouldn't want to eat cooked regular old mushrooms - but immune system balancers and superchargers - hey - why not? I'm talking tinctures anyway - not eating the whole mushroom - they do need processing.
What are you doing to support the good guys? Are you making and eating lots of fermented foods? That's real important.
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I'm taking Oil of Oregano now. I'm probably going to start taking Olive Leaf Extract on top of that for its anti-bacterial, anti-fungal, and anti-viral properties. I haven't played around much with mushrooms because of suspected Candida. Do you have any recommendations for herbs?
There are an assortment of antifungal, bacterial etc natural choices. Topically the best is mustard seed oil. Next choice which is very good is sesame oil. The cheaper and lower the grade (less clear) the more it smells.
Internally a wide range of herbs and spices are good for antibacteral purposes. Cumin, curcumin, turmeric, ginger, pepper, cilantro etc work well. The list is a lot longer but the good news is that they taste good depending on your taste buds. Best to get them fresh unheated. That's why Indians eat them with their foods.
Ayurveda would define which are best for you and I don't know what would be specific for lyme. I will try to find out for you.
My friend from South Africa tells me it is nonexistent there or he would try treating it with his radionics Rife device. The radionics would be far superior because with the pad devices it would only treat the areas between the electrodes, not the whole body.
We are discovering some interesting things about the devices in some experiments with another friend's homemade devices. Things are looking good at this point.
I read somewhere recently that putting liquid soap on a tick for 3-4 minutes to loosen it's grip. We also used a thread which worked well.
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You might consider grapefruit seed extract . I don't feel good about recommending it because it's not a food and not raw but it MAY have gotten me out of a tight spot a couple of years ago when I was experiencing painful raised lines on my throat, roof and sides of the mouth, but then again I was eating cloves and cloves of raw garlic daily diced in to salads, so it may have been the garlic that cleared it up OR it may have just detoxed itself out after running it's course.
Alternatively you can just chew and swallow grapefruit seeds on a daily basis. I was suspicious of parasites at the time and it went on for quite a while, then I started treating with GFSE, just a few drops each day in water, and eventually they went away, though can't say for sure it was the extract that did it. A couple years down the road and knowing what I do now and I might treat it with veggie juices, cessation of naughty foods and meat, or maybe just raw, minced garlic and wild herbs.
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I tried around a hundred different herbs, pre-RPD diet, and they were all either completely useless or reduced one symptom but made other symptoms worse. It is vaguely possible that if those herbs had been unprocessed and sourced from the wild, that they might have been effective, but I am sceptical.
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I tried around a hundred different herbs, pre-RPD diet, and they were all either completely useless or reduced one symptom but made other symptoms worse. It is vaguely possible that if those herbs had been unprocessed and sourced from the wild, that they might have been effective, but I am sceptical.
Herbs are an interesting topic. In order to get potency out of them they have to be grown properly (preferably wild) harvested, prepared, stored. combined, etc properly.
Most of the stuff you get in stores are none of the above.
The reason wild is best, in the event that anyone on this site needs to be told is that in the wild plants will find places to live that are optimum because they don't have an artificial person situation to help them survive and thrive. They will find a place that has the right soil, moisture, sun exposure, etc. to provide them with proper nutrition, otherwise they will die. Unlike us humans that have figured out how to survive in the middle of a city amidst unoptimum ;D environmental stressors.
Same is true with gathering honey as Goodsamaritan has explained.
Another problem with herbs is that when you read literature on herbs including what I and others say here is that some things are not apropos for everyone.
ie. I do wonderfully with milk. Some do OK and some do terrible. The same is true with everything that you can put into or onto your body. That's why when I see companies advertising herbal this and natural that I cringe.
For some people garlic is a Godsend, for me it is hell on wheels.
So take advice on what to eat with a grain of salt........ or sugar.... or
Instead if you like it, eat it in a natural form, not in a pill and try to find versions that are available locally (read free for the picking) and some herbs grow in the woods near where you live. Read "Stalking The Wild Asparagus" or equivalent books, about a guy that goes out for a walk in the woods and gets his salad for dinner daily. This is herbs at their maximum potency.
Chamomile is found everywhere. It's a weed.
Remember that the people who bottle herbs could care a less about their product other than the design on the bottle, because to them it's a product. They don't prosper if you are healthy, despite what they say.
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I actually have 3 active deer tick bites right now, they are a constant presence this time of the year here on the farm and with the dogs picking up loads of them daily in the forest. When I'm on my own I sleep in a big pile with my 4.5 dogs. This would not be possible if I had any remnants of fear of lyme or deer ticks, since I will often wake up with them crawling on me, biting me or wake up with one in the morning that attached itself during the night. But having lost all fear of them, they're no worse than mosquitoes and really I prefer them to mosquitoes because they are easier to handle than a hoard of winged vampires.
When my system is less clean I notice the bites itch much more furiously than they do when I've got a lot of raw organs in my system and I haven't been eating too much trash (cooked and starchy/sugary foods for me).
Golly, when I think about the paradigm shift that accompanies RVAF in regards to microbes, it never fails to astound me. It's like the borders have totally shifted. Now where I was once concerned with germs, I'm concerned instead with toxins. I can drink from a duckshit filled pond without a second thought about the biological content, but instead I'm wondering if any pesticides have leeched in to the water. Or someone can sneeze close to my face without phasing me, but I'm wishing they would just take their chemically 'perfumed' skin far away!
But I really rather prefer to be preoccupied with chemicals than microbes! One is useful and beneficial, the other a tragic waste of energy and resources.
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i concur with grape fruit seed extract, for the fear of ticks and candida.
i also would like to say that there are conscious herb farmers out there, regardless of what raw al says, and they do make money, and a lot of them use it just to sustain themselves, some of them have wonderful herb schools to encourage others to learn to take care of the planet and themselves
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I hear you. RPD has been a mind bending, mindset change.
Recently I learned about Rife machines, That was is a complete mind bender also. Then I heard about New German Medicine with Dr Hamer. Another twist of the paradyme. Just when I think I have it figured out another one smokes in from outer space. Sungazing was/is awesome. Ayurveda is awesome.
You have to digest it all and spit out the old thoughts.
When I get more info and more concrete plans with the Rife I can contact you to see if it is useful for you. Would be interesting for me as it would answer some questions. A lot of people have the issue with Lyme.
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i concur with grape fruit seed extract, for the fear of ticks and candida.
i also would like to say that there are conscious herb farmers out there, regardless of what raw al says, and they do make money, and a lot of them use it just to sustain themselves, some of them have wonderful herb schools to encourage others to learn to take care of the planet and themselves
Jessica, you're right of course and I do not begrudge anyone for what they do for a living. I was talking in terms of the herbs that are bought in bottles in stores which typically are more or less factory operations. Even the better quality ones are sometimes factories. If you can order thousands of bottles of an herb to put on a grocery store shelf then you ain't talkin organic/fertilizer free/hand picked.
Herbs do not last forever, they are perishable and thus not apropos for storing like Coca Cola.
The difficulty is knowing which herb farmers/schools are quality, and knowing which ones to use.
Herbology is a big subject requiring not just knowledge of the herbs, but also knowledge of disease, patients, body types, diagnostic modality, etc.
Nowadays people move around the world and transplant their immune system, diseases, dietary habits, drug usage patterns, exercise, and various and sundry environmental issues in entirely different countries. So a healer would have to be cognassent of a wide variety of things to keep up with what comes at them. Additionally most herbs that occur in the lower US might not be apropos for someone in Canada for instance.
It's a big topic.
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I wonder if my G-pa isn't using a rife machine. He sends DNA, usually blood, off to some lady who tells him which numbers to enter on this device that he connects to his body I think with finger electrode thingies (that could be wrong though, they might be patches).
He couldn't tell me the name of the device when I asked him, but at least partially credits it with outlasting the death sentence the dopey docs gave him regarding his mantle cell lymphoma.
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Sounds like it could be.
The lady is either a lab technician, or more likely she uses one of the diagnosis devices out there that can determine the issue or she dowses.
I have a friend who just uses a picture of the person she is treating. She has had lots of success with doing a number of things such as cancer. She dowses for the proper frequencies.
I was looking at a device that would diagnose. I am not sure how it would do it as the designer said his development is indefinitely postponed as being economically not feasible.
However his devices make homeopathic formulations which he refers to as imprinting to avoid patent issues with homeopathic manufacturers.
There are farmers, believe it or not, who make homeopathic concoctions that they put on their fields in lieu of pesticides etc. They have machines that radionically produce the substances. It is all too weird for words but it apparently works. There is a lady in the midwest US I think Utah that teaches it.
You get the pesticidal actions without the chemicals.
Of course homeopathy is another topic. It was neck in neck with Allopathy back in the 1850s when the AMA was formed to get rid of all competitors.
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This is a really interesting discussion but can someone please help me with my question, "Does everyone think its okay to eat raw while on antibiotics? I'm concerned that maybe the lack of gut flora will lead me to be more open to infections or something."
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I don't think it works that way. Lots of fermented foods should be good. Also dealing with similar issues man. Two really good books
-Healing Lyme by stephen buhner. He has an herbal protocol using mainly cats claw, reversatol, and andrographis i believe. I have heard excellent things about this protocol. I'll probably use it myself down the road
-The Lyme Solution by ken singelton. This is a good overall book utilizing medical and natural means.
-Overall i agree that it's not best to focus on the tick itself. I have been hearing they are in mosquitos now too. And there are tons of my friends that have been bit but don't get "lyme disease." Most people high up in the field are finding that lyme disease has a huge emotional component that must be dealt with if you expect to get fully well.
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Oh and on a second note:
Many many people have gotten well from lyme disease on a non-raw diet as well. I think listen to your body. For me, i do well with primarily raw fats, some very lightly cooked protein, some fruit, juiced veggies, blended veggies, and some cooked veggies at times. I am letting my body ease into the raw food as it pleases.
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Joe do you have lyme disease? Please tell your story (or private message it to me if you don't mind.)
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FZ, antibiotics are only going to cause you to backpeddle. The body should not ever be abused in such a fashion. Obviously it's your body and you can do what you want with it, but antibiotics really shouldn't be viewed as any more of an option that small doses of cyanide. They are not nurturing to the body, that is literally the same as trying to put out a fire by adding gasoline to it.
Your symptoms are likely a form of detox and are trying to heal you, it's a foolhardy endeavor trying to thwart the process.
Instead ask your body how you can nourish it in to balance. Tell us what your diet is like right now so we can make suggestions. Also helps to know your food tolerances and intolerances.
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I actually have 3 active deer tick bites right now, they are a constant presence this time of the year here on the farm and with the dogs picking up loads of them daily in the forest. When I'm on my own I sleep in a big pile with my 4.5 dogs. This would not be possible if I had any remnants of fear of lyme or deer ticks, since I will often wake up with them crawling on me, biting me or wake up with one in the morning that attached itself during the night. But having lost all fear of them, they're no worse than mosquitoes and really I prefer them to mosquitoes because they are easier to handle than a hoard of winged vampires.
When my system is less clean I notice the bites itch much more furiously than they do when I've got a lot of raw organs in my system and I haven't been eating too much trash (cooked and starchy/sugary foods for me).
Golly, when I think about the paradigm shift that accompanies RVAF in regards to microbes, it never fails to astound me. It's like the borders have totally shifted. Now where I was once concerned with germs, I'm concerned instead with toxins. I can drink from a duckshit filled pond without a second thought about the biological content, but instead I'm wondering if any pesticides have leeched in to the water. Or someone can sneeze close to my face without phasing me, but I'm wishing they would just take their chemically 'perfumed' skin far away!
But I really rather prefer to be preoccupied with chemicals than microbes! One is useful and beneficial, the other a tragic waste of energy and resources.
That's where it's at LCO! Yeah. Exactly. When you finally hit your right diet, get over all the challenges and get into that zone of eating all those fears fly out the window. I just don't get colds or flus so I can care for people with them without a second thought. The only time I feel sick is when I'm eating something that's not right for me or when I'm exposed to something unnatural and toxic and then I want to run.... fast. Your example fits perfectly, I am much more frightened of someone wearing a nasty perfume than I am of someone with a contagious disease!
What herbs are useful for is the stages up to the point where you hit that sweet spot. Al is totally right that different herbs worked different for different people. When I was at my weakest with candida garlic was a friend and helped, but the real healing came from the changes in diet - meaning what I cut out of my diet - because garlic and all those herbs Al listed are foods! It's about knowing what foods work for you and which ones don't and when - because it changes even for the same person over time.
Herbs and healing helpers can go even further to give one a feeling of security. For instance if I should get intestinal bugs - so what? I know what herbs can kill them even if I'm not at my peak where they don't have a chance of survival in my system - which is the norm.
Great point though about where the magic is - it's in a rock-solid immune system - that's where it's at.
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FZ, antibiotics are only going to cause you to backpeddle. The body should not ever be abused in such a fashion. Obviously it's your body and you can do what you want with it, but antibiotics really shouldn't be viewed as any more of an option that small doses of cyanide. They are not nurturing to the body, that is literally the same as trying to put out a fire by adding gasoline to it.
Your symptoms are likely a form of detox and are trying to heal you, it's a foolhardy endeavor trying to thwart the process.
Instead ask your body how you can nourish it in to balance. Tell us what your diet is like right now so we can make suggestions. Also helps to know your food tolerances and intolerances.
Thanks for your advice. Does anyone else have any suggestions of taking antibiotics on a raw diet?
jared
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I would use colloidal silver myself if you feel you must do an antibiotic. When I had horrible yeast infections no antibiotic would work - but colloidal silver pretty much saved my life.
I think that diet and good bacteria-rich foods are where it's really at though. That's your foundation. I would give diet a chance to work if you can.
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I bought a colloidal silver generator to put in my travel bag in case I got some bad water etc. when out of the country or continent. I haven't tried it as I have no need to, but I am curious, how did it affect you when you took it?
People don't realize that silver was the antibiotic of choice prior to antibiotic drugs.
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Colloidal silver gets rid of infections faster and better than anything else I've ever seen or experienced. It got rid of chronic uti's when I was young. I was at the point where I was bleeding and unable to walk. I had utis since the third grade. My mother was a nurse so she put us on antibiotics at the drop of a hat. When I got acne they put me on a broad - spectrum antibiotic for years (tetracycline). Systemic candida had me walking into walls, unable to think, emotionally a mess and unable to function. I went from incredibly ill to functioning quickly with silver. There was no internet so I had to travel far to find a colloidal silver maker. I don't remember where or how I heard about it. Thanks goodness I did though.
My urinary tract is still quite sensitive to sugars. If I eat too much fruit or honey that system will still get out of whack. Having silver always there just in case is reassuring - but d-mannose for uti's is quite something. Like last weekend I went to MooJesus! Dairy and the sweetest people in the world were there. They were really into raw food and when they found out what I was about they made me 5 course raw food meal including all sorts of things I don't normally eat mixing in honey, fruit and winter squash. I ate everything until I could barely move because I don't think I was ever treated with such graciousness. They even made me steak tar tar. That all left me happy as a clam - but also farty as the devil and with my urinary system a little off. All I had to do though was take a little d-mannose to feed the bacteria in my urine instead of in my urethra and that set me back straight.
Fermented foods still feel wonderful to me. I know that they might not be right for Fermenter - but with a name like that how could they not be?
My Mom got terrible utis which hospitalized her towards the end of her life. The doctors told me finally that there was nothing more that could be done with the allergies to antibiotics that she had and that I should look into some alternative healing therapies. Amazing huh? I think he was really telling me that uti's are what kills people at that stage. I realized that I was doubting what I knew would work and thinking that antibiotics were more powerful. I put dmso mixed with colloidal silver over her bladder. and gave her d-mannose. She never got another uti again.
There are many great antibiotic foods too and if they work all the better. Colloidal silver is my ace in the hole.
I'm sure you already know Al that you have to make colloidal silver in only distilled water right? Make sure wherever you are travelling to that you can get distilled. Spring water, tap water, reverse osmosis water - NONE of them will do. Only distilled.
Colloidal silver never gave me any sensations or side affects. It just kills infections. It also doesn't seem to bother my good bacteria that I have worked so very hard to re-build.
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Interesting Vids..
http://frex.com.au/lda.html (http://frex.com.au/lda.html)
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Here is another post that mentions lyme. FYI I have no idea if it is good/bad/indifferent
http://alternativehealth2008.blogspot.ca/ (http://alternativehealth2008.blogspot.ca/)