Paleo Diet: Raw Paleo Diet and Lifestyle Forum
Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Health => Topic started by: tests on July 01, 2012, 06:58:37 am
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So i am planning on starting a raw meat diet, with fruits and veggies (and fats such as coconut oil/olive oil).
My main question is, what are the optimal meats that i should be eating to treat my skin condition (acne/seborrheic dermatitis which may be psoriasis as well)?
I can readily obtain grass fed ground beef (not sure of the fat content), pasture raised eggs (vital farms eggs), extra virgin coconut oil AND olive oil (Cold pressed for olive oil),
I realize that the best meats are the ones with the fattiest fat on it. I have no idea where to begin.
P.S., i also can get a rack of lamb from sams club (Costs 22 dollars). Also wild caught salmon. Would these help in my healing?
Please help me guys. I am very confused
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There is no doubt some foods will be superior, but just going raw will solve a lot of things. Be your own judge, in that if it tastes good and it is raw, it will be good for you also. Your taste buds are often the best indicator of what is best for the body.
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You sound like you have exactly the right idea. Since cooking toughens meat, you don't have to spend a lot of $$$ on the tender cuts. Your starter list is fine, and you can hunt around for your favorite sources as you get more experience.
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Typically the fattier cuts are cheaper.
I ALWAYS buy chuck rost beef. It has a lot of fat, and it's the cheapest one I can find.
Here's a link with the leanest and fattiest cuts of beef - http://www.webefit.com/articles_100_199/article_100_beef.html (http://www.webefit.com/articles_100_199/article_100_beef.html)
Wild caught salmon is a great option. Ground beef can be lean. Be careful with the lamb from Sam's Club. It might not be grass fed, and could have been given antibiotics. Make sure you ask a knowledgable associate.
See if any high quality food providers can get you raw fat. I order raw beef fat from grass fed cows for $2.50/lb. I've red of others on the forum getting it even cheaper. It's a great way to get raw fat at a great price.
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maybe i can order from here
http://www.grasslandbeef.com/StoreFront.bok (http://www.grasslandbeef.com/StoreFront.bok)
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You can get local grassfed beef in SoCal. Check listings at www.eatwild.com (http://www.eatwild.com).
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maybe i can order from here
http://www.grasslandbeef.com/StoreFront.bok (http://www.grasslandbeef.com/StoreFront.bok)
That's a great source. There's also a few other online sites that are good too.
But it's best to get it locally so you can save on shipping, and also since online you'll get frozen meats. It's best to get them unfrozen/fresh.
So, what meats are you considering getting?
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We find that variety is a very good idea. You'll grow tired of the same old, same old.
Initially we tried ground beef and pork, but the ground part went out of favour. ;D
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That's a great source. There's also a few other online sites that are good too.
But it's best to get it locally so you can save on shipping, and also since online you'll get frozen meats. It's best to get them unfrozen/fresh.
So, what meats are you considering getting?
to be honest, i have no idea which meats i should be getting.
Like i said, i am mainly going raw paleo to treat my acne/dermatitis. I can get grass fed beef from a farmers market, other cuts of beef as well (which is grass fed).
So far, this is what i can easily and readily obtain:
1) grass fed ground beef (its probably pretty lean though, unfortunately)
2) polish sausage (but it may have some spices added). Also grass fed.
3) grass fed carne asada
4) grass fed chuck eye steak
5) grass fed filet mignon
6)grass fed flank steak
7)grass fed london broil steak
8)All beef sausage
9)pasture raised organic chicken backs
10)pasture raised chicken breast
11)pasture raised organic chicken liver
12)pasture raised organic chicken whole
Which are the best options to choose from? Also, from an acne/dermatitis standpoint, from my understanding, modern foods cause these issues (and my leaky gut which is a result of taking antibiotics for 4-5 months). So in essence, shouldnt stopping eating modern junk heal these conditions? Or is it mainly the fat from animal proteins that would heal it.
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I am guessing a bit here but I would be inclined to try abhyanga...
http://abhyanga-rub-yourself-the-right-way.blogspot.ca/ (http://abhyanga-rub-yourself-the-right-way.blogspot.ca/)
I might also suggest this thread...
http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/off-topic/elevating-the-head-of-your-bed/ (http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/off-topic/elevating-the-head-of-your-bed/)
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We find that variety is a very good idea. You'll grow tired of the same old, same old.
Initially we tried ground beef and pork, but the ground part went out of favour. ;D
was the ground pork grass fed? or just natural without antibiotics? I cant seem to find grass fed pork
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A fatty cut of Brisket is my favorite. I call it my meat pizza cause the fat looks like cheese on top of meat occasionally.
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was the ground pork grass fed? or just natural without antibiotics? I cant seem to find grass fed pork
Pigs don't have a natural diet of grass the way that beef, bison, etc., do.
While on the subject, poultry do not eat a diet that is primarily grass or grain. They eat bugs. Some sellers use the terms "organic" and "pasture-raised" to make it sound like the livestock is being fed correctly for its species. For example, "pastured" beef can mean that the pasture has been strewn with grain-fodder and potatoes... so the animal is not eating much grass. You get to decide how picky you need to be.
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i get what you are saying.
So if it is grass-fed beef (100%) i am assuming that the cows only ate grass and there natural feed? Or are they sometimes grain finished?
I can purchase pasture raised chickens though. The hard part is finding ones full of fat AND pasture raised
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Pigs don't have a natural diet of grass the way that beef, bison, etc., do.
While on the subject, poultry do not eat a diet that is primarily grass or grain. They eat bugs. Some sellers use the terms "organic" and "pasture-raised" to make it sound like the livestock is being fed correctly for its species. For example, "pastured" beef can mean that the pasture has been strewn with grain-fodder and potatoes... so the animal is not eating much grass. You get to decide how picky you need to be.
What should i be looking for when purchasing pork then?
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So if it is grass-fed beef (100%) i am assuming that the cows only ate grass and there natural feed? Or are they sometimes grain finished?
For beef and bison: if it says "grass-fed" it means no supplemental grains. The meat will look lean and not marbled (fat streaks throughout the muscle), and the fat will be faintly yellow. A butcher can show you the difference in appearance.
I can purchase pasture raised chickens though. The hard part is finding ones full of fat AND pasture raised
For chicken: they really don't get "full" of fat. The fat is in the skin.
What should i be looking for when purchasing pork then?
For pork: someone else can answer this. I don't buy or eat pork.
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Butchers dont seem to know shit from what my experiences
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I had a butcher tell me all beef are grass fed. He really did not know what grain finished meant.
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I had a butcher tell me all beef are grass fed. He really did not know what grain finished meant.
exactly
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exactly
My experience too. Very sad.
To this day I have NEVER seen the yellow fat. Apparently "grass fed" also includes "grass fed and grain finished." Finishing matters.
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My experience too. Very sad.
To this day I have NEVER seen the yellow fat. Apparently "grass fed" also includes "grass fed and grain finished." Finishing matters.
exactly, so how am i supposed to know which is 100 % grass fed.. which is not. It is almost impossible to follow a healthy diet in todays day and age. To be honest, i have been so stressed about following diets (i have tried quite a few) that i have been breaking out a lot on my shoulders. Dont know what to do
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i am not sure it is always true that the fat is more yellow, i know milk tends to be more yellow hence yellow cream and butter, but i have seen fatty cuts of meat i know for a fact was grass fed and finished because i know the farmers and it was creamy white, not yellow
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The back fat on my grassfed beef (Humboldt Grassfed Beef Company) is yellowish, a soft yellow. When placed next to a piece of grain-fed beef, the contrast is obvious. The other obvious visual difference is the marbling in the muscle - none in grassfed beef, lots in grain-fed beef.
I found my butcher by looking up the grassfed beef ranches and then finding out where they sell their retail cuts. Many ranches sell frozen meat, which I avoid whenever possible. There are several grassfed cattle ranches in California for you to start with. The internet makes searching much easier.
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another way to know if the cows are 100% grassfed, when u make high meat. I buy 100% grassfed beef from wholefood market and rott them. I also buy 100% grassfed beef from a small local farmer and rott them. Both high meats has significant taste different at the end. So any commercially organic grassfed beef would be grass fed , but grain finished. Seeing those grass fed beef from wholefood, almost looks the same from those very small farmer's beef, but the difference is the taste and quality.
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The fat you had gc was 100% grass fed, susie doesn't buy anything less as far as I know. Fat is absolutely NOT always yellow just because it's grass fed. I've had experience with 100% grass fed beef over all of the americas from canada to argentina and the color and texture and taste varies intensely! It is not even slightly accurate to say that grass fed is even usually yellow. If the animal digests beta carotene efficiently you will get white milk even if on the lushest grass year round. eg. holesteins. This is pertinent to milk and bodyfat alike.
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The fat you had gc was 100% grass fed, susie doesn't buy anything less as far as I know.
I know Susie buys grass-fed, though I was a little jealous when she said YOU got the organs... ;P
It's not always yellow; I've never seen it yellow except in pictures on the web. It is also true that many butchers don't know the real differences in the meat... hell, I can NAME one right now! I went to high school with him. They cut, and that's all many know. By no means is that intended to be a blanket statement on all (or even a majority of) butchers. Most of them do not, however, carry grass-fed and/or grass-finished, even those that know the difference. They're a business and expensive meat will sit in the case longer.
But finishing does matter. There are also farmers who claim to sell grass-fed but finish on grain for the last 6-8 months before slaughter. This beef is equivalent to grain-fed in terms of nutritional value. There are also farmers that claim that all cattle are grass-fed if they've ever eaten a green thing in their lives. I wish that weren't true but I've seen it personally.
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Yep, know your farmer!
Yeah we set up to buy organs shortly before I gave you her phone number, before I knew you were looking.
But maybe we can go in on some group orders at clancey's or something down the road. They should give a price break for larger quantity. And Linden hills will give us a steep discount if we order 50 lbs or more, at $2/lb (as an example) that's just $100 right there, doesn't get much cheaper than that for pastured fat.
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Sounds like a plan; I'm into it. Not sure when I'll be prepared, but we'll do it.
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tests, keep it simple. Don't over analyze this diet. Stick to Grass-fed meats, beef, lamb, wild game, ect. Wild fish: Wild Salmon, Tuna, and my favorite Black Cod (very fatty, so rich, it has a buttery taste to it). Grass-fed organ meats, and fats. Pasture based chicken/duck eggs, when you can find them. I'm not sure Vital Farms is 100% natural. I read/heard somewhere that they do use grains (soy and corn) as a way to substitute more protein in their diet. But, there's much worse choices out there than VF's. Don't be afraid of fat's, they should make up a good percentage of your diet. Don't over think it, if you have questions regarding a particular food or item, than just ask the forum. That's what I do, there's a wealth of information out there. Cruise the site more.
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^ Agreed. The fish is something I find really good and an easy place to start if you get overwhelmed with all the red meat. Salmon, other sashimis. Check out a local sushi restaurant. Also, use avocados, olives, etc. I think you just need to find where your body likes its fat from. For me, Mine favors maybe like 2/3 plant fats in the hot summer and 2/3 animal fats in the cold winter. So yea, listen to your body, don't fall into a dogma or what anybody else is eating.