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Title: I need your advice re: PCOS (women health issue)
Post by: zbr5 on October 23, 2012, 05:04:05 pm
My wife struggles with PCOS. It is called PCOS, but poly-cystic ovary syndrom is only a symptom of some problems with hormones (her body produces too much men hormones).

They only way  mainstream medicine heals, or rather "temporarily stops" this symptoms is by prescribing some strong drugs  that my wife cant really take because we want to have a baby as soon as possible.

The biggest distress that this health condition gives to my wife is the issue of hair falling out. Because it is caused by testosterone, the hair will never regrow so she knows that every hair she loses now, she loses forever :(

It is very sad for me to see her suffer and be helpless about it. She already eats very good diet, is very fit, works out each day , supplements with zinc, vit B complex, folic acid and nettle&horsetail for hair.
Title: Re: I need your advice re: PCOS (women health issue)
Post by: TylerDurden on October 23, 2012, 05:13:42 pm
Is she rawpalaeo? Even a slight change in diet towards raw and/or palaeo has led people to reversing infertility and many other conditions.
Title: Re: I need your advice re: PCOS (women health issue)
Post by: goodsamaritan on October 23, 2012, 05:25:56 pm
More clues please:

- age
- weight
- number of kids
- profession
- contraceptives used (pills, iud, injectable, patches, ligation, abortion)
- drugs used
- chemicals she puts on her body: shampoo, soap, perfume, deodorant, exfoliate, etc

Has she done any cleansing / detox protocols.

What's her diet like?

Pictures?
Title: Re: I need your advice re: PCOS (women health issue)
Post by: zbr5 on October 23, 2012, 07:04:24 pm
Thanks guys for your interest.

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Is she rawpalaeo? Even a slight change in diet towards raw and/or palaeo has led people to reversing infertility and many other conditions.

She is not a raw paleo. She eats very low quantities of carbs  (only fruits), plenty of veggies and lightly processed meats like steamed salmon.

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More clues please:

- age
- weight
- number of kids
- profession
- contraceptives used (pills, iud, injectable, patches, ligation, abortion)
- drugs used
- chemicals she puts on her body: shampoo, soap, perfume, deodorant, exfoliate, etc

Has she done any cleansing / detox protocols.

What's her diet like?

Pictures?

- age 27
- weight : I do not know, but surely normal , i will ask when she comes back
- no kids (she was pregnant this summer but she lost baby in first three weeks - 40% women with PCOS has early miscarriage :(  . This involved being in hospital for surgery and getting some drugs we would much prefer to avoid)
- she is a medical doctor (she is just starting - three months since she has graduated)
- contraceptives used - she was taking contraceptive pill for over one year. It was not to prevent pregnancy but to actually heal PCOS. Doctors prescribed it to her for one year and then she stopped taking it so we could have a baby. Her sister has PCOS and this method worked very well for her. It also managed the symptoms of my wife while she was taking it - she did not have problems with falling out hair etc. I know dangers of this pills and would prefer her to avoid it, but she has her own will and it felt important for her to be taking it then.
- no other drugs
- she does put chemicals on her body as most women do, but surely not too often. She does not wear make up every day and is very common sense about it.

She has not done any detox protocols besides few colon cleansings.

I have no pictures but she looks normal and healthy. She has high energy levels, often involved in many things, a busy person. You would not say she has health issues, if you did not know.
Title: Re: I need your advice re: PCOS (women health issue)
Post by: TylerDurden on October 23, 2012, 07:12:45 pm
Well, she could try going 100% rawpalaeo plus adding  lots of "high-meat" as well. It would be preferable if she got hold of raw wild game instead of raw, grassfed meats.

Other than that, she could try homeopathy or wild herbs.
Title: Re: I need your advice re: PCOS (women health issue)
Post by: goodsamaritan on October 23, 2012, 10:54:19 pm
PCOS for me are just CYSTS.
I would call for my own cancer cure protocol.
Which includes acupuncture and Emotional Freedom Techniques.
I would also explore her diet and look for GMO.
Explore her home for pollution.
Explore her work environment.
Explore her dental health, mercury, etc.
Explore electromagnetic frequencies.
Really, testosterone problems?  Get a consultation with Dr. William Wong, he's an expert on testosterone.
Check out parasites too. It's in my cure protocol.
My cancer cure protocol of course says raw paleo diet.

My old cancer cure protocol is here http://www.myhealthblog.org/2011/03/20/is-there-a-cure-for-cancer-yes-everyone-can-do-this/ (http://www.myhealthblog.org/2011/03/20/is-there-a-cure-for-cancer-yes-everyone-can-do-this/)

You have to be very thorough, leave no stone unturned.
The only problem I see is that she is... is she a western medical doctor?  Hope she is open to expanding her knowledge like the German doctors are... I don't know the state of Polish medicine, how is it?
Title: Re: I need your advice re: PCOS (women health issue)
Post by: raw-al on October 24, 2012, 10:32:50 am
The only thing that occurs to me is related to exercise.

What exercise does she do? Is it a light medium or strong workout?

The reason I ask is that exercise will bring on amenorrhea or other menstrual issues. Female athletes refer to the effect of strong exercise as "breaking through the wall", as it stops menstruation. If she is an MD she should know this, or at least she should know better. So she is either in denial or this is not the issue.

Basically what happens is if a woman exercises too hard, her body goes into a kind of shock in which repair cannot keep up with the damage, so the body's defences just essentially throw up their arms and say it is more important to save her than try to procreate.

Overexercise/overbusy/burning the proverbial candle at both ends, will also overuse Prana and Ojas ( http://ojas-the-staff-of-life.blogspot.ca/search?updated-min=2012-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&updated-max=2013-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&max-results=1 (http://ojas-the-staff-of-life.blogspot.ca/search?updated-min=2012-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&updated-max=2013-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&max-results=1)) in the body (according to Ayurveda) and the body is essentially run down and it's defences are substantially weakened and illness takes over. If this is the issue, good luck at changing this in her.  ;D

Is she slender?

As prior posters have suggested I will also preach to the choir and add that a raw diet will probably be of great help.
Title: Re: I need your advice re: PCOS (women health issue)
Post by: William on October 24, 2012, 11:01:58 am
My wife struggles with PCOS. It is called PCOS, but poly-cystic ovary syndrom is only a symptom of some problems with hormones (her body produces too much men hormones).

http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/iodine.html (http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/iodine.html)
and search PCOS here:  http://curezone.org/forums/f.asp?f=815 (http://curezone.org/forums/f.asp?f=815)

Works on PCOS, FBD, prostate problems, normalizes hormones etc. Warning: increases IQ by at least 10 points.  ;)
Title: Re: I need your advice re: PCOS (women health issue)
Post by: jessica on October 24, 2012, 11:17:42 am
she needs to slow down, exercise less, eat cooked carbs and lots of healthy raw fats, espeically egg yolks, butter is helpful as well.  stress is the number one thing that will cause hormonal imbalance, she needs to look where she is more aggressive and anxious in life and learn to relax and be more subtle.  for hair loss specifically bone broths are very good, they contain gelatin, collagen and a ton of trace minerals that will help to strengthen hair and hopefully stop its loss.  tell her to stop putting anything chemical on her body! also birth  control is obviously not a solution and part of the reason she is loosing her hair now, it likely covered up the fact that she was still living an out of balance life and she has now spent that much longer not taking care of the root causes of her health issues.  many people these days "look" and "Seem" healthy, but we also have a weird idea of what true health, physically mentally habitually environmentally...etc..
Title: Re: I need your advice re: PCOS (women health issue)
Post by: Dorothy on October 24, 2012, 11:51:59 am
What Jessica said.

If becoming a doctor where you are, is anything like it is here, that would do it! Overwork, imbalance, sleeplessness, stress. She needs a rest. She must have been pushing herself tremendously to graduate. Time for some recuperation.

Having a baby right after all that - wow. Maybe her subconscious is asking for a vacation? I know mine would. ;)
Title: Re: I need your advice re: PCOS (women health issue)
Post by: goodsamaritan on October 24, 2012, 01:34:51 pm
Yes, a lot of women have great success healing and getting pregnant going on vacation and getting rest.
Title: Re: I need your advice re: PCOS (women health issue)
Post by: jessica on October 24, 2012, 10:44:08 pm
also have her check out paleoforwomen.com
a lot of good advice on healing from pcos

i forgot to mention make sure she is not consuming caffeine, if anyone is at all having hormonal issues caffeine is sure to amplify the effects and speed deterioration of the adrenals and other hormone regulating systems in the body
Title: Re: I need your advice re: PCOS (women health issue)
Post by: raw-al on October 24, 2012, 11:11:00 pm
I seem to reacall some issues with women related to soy consumption/estrogen but that may not be useful.
Title: Re: I need your advice re: PCOS (women health issue)
Post by: goodsamaritan on October 24, 2012, 11:11:54 pm
I seem to reacall some issues with women related to soy consumption/estrogen but that may not be useful.

Tons useful
Title: Re: I need your advice re: PCOS (women health issue)
Post by: zbr5 on October 25, 2012, 09:55:15 pm
Thanks a lot everybody.

My wife does not work out too much so I do not think it is the issue. She just does some fitness exercises from DVD 3 times a week. Nothing crazy.

It is true that she might be overstressed and overworked after last year of studying (yes, it is the same or even harder than in US to graduate medical school, here in Poland).

Let us metabolize what you all wrote in this topic. We will take some time to read about all this sources you gave us and let you know how it goes for us.

Thanks!
Title: Re: I need your advice re: PCOS (women health issue)
Post by: zbr5 on October 25, 2012, 09:58:30 pm
PS: What is the best way to supplement iodine?
Title: Re: I need your advice re: PCOS (women health issue)
Post by: Dorothy on October 26, 2012, 05:46:46 am
Lex is doing an experiment with iodine and writing about it in his journal. You will find loads of information on iodine there to start with.

Title: Re: I need your advice re: PCOS (women health issue)
Post by: TylerDurden on October 26, 2012, 09:16:15 am
Lex is doing an experiment with iodine and writing about it in his journal. You will find loads of information on iodine there to start with.


I'm amused that Lex's experiment  seems to be  working. I would normally view an iodine protocol as a form of witchcraft.
Title: Re: I need your advice re: PCOS (women health issue)
Post by: William on October 26, 2012, 11:28:59 pm
PS: What is the best way to supplement iodine?

See the guide to the iodine protocol at http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/iprotocol.html; (http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/iprotocol.html;) note tat Lugol's is the only form of iodine proven by experience to cure.
The companion nutrient L-selenomethionine is essential, otherwise thyroidweirdness can happen.

The faq at: http://curezone.com/faq/c.asp?a=13,281,2962 (http://curezone.com/faq/c.asp?a=13,281,2962) is useful.

BTW in 1994 ascientist measured the intelligence increase resulting from iodine supplementation ; it was 13.5%.
Title: Re: I need your advice re: PCOS (women health issue)
Post by: cherimoya_kid on October 27, 2012, 11:33:01 am
I would try experimenting with Dong Quai, a Chinese herb that is a sort of panacea for "female problems". 

Also, she might want to try fasting.  Overgrowth problems generally are reduced by restricting calories...the body has to decide between continuing the overgrowth and continuing basic life functions, and it generally chooses the latter.

Also, I'd get her off the farmed salmon.  It's bad stuff, the fatty acid profile is messed up. Have her stick to wild-caught fish only.
Title: Re: I need your advice re: PCOS (women health issue)
Post by: jessica on October 27, 2012, 10:02:13 pm
fasting is not a good idea for women who have hormonal issues, especially too much testosterone.
Title: Re: I need your advice re: PCOS (women health issue)
Post by: Iguana on October 28, 2012, 12:55:15 am
Fasting to follow a mental decision to fast is never a good idea anyway. It's fine to fast because we are not hungry and as long as nothing is good, but otherwise it's better to eat 100% raw paleo, unprocessed and unmixed, just what smells good and is tasty.

The whole thing behind fasting is that by doing so we avoid the intake of abnormal molecules present in cooked and modern foods. But we avoid it as well with a 100% raw paleo nutrition while still providing the body with the exact nutrients it needs.
Title: Re: I need your advice re: PCOS (women health issue)
Post by: cherimoya_kid on October 29, 2012, 01:21:13 pm
fasting is not a good idea for women who have hormonal issues, especially too much testosterone.

If her body fat is too low, I agree, she probably wouldn't want to fast for more than a day or so.  I know you've had issues with letting your body fat get too low, and exhausting your glands.   She may not be too thin, though, and I think it'd be pointless to speculate further without knowing her situation better.
Title: Re: I need your advice re: PCOS (women health issue)
Post by: Iguana on October 29, 2012, 02:53:23 pm
Even if she’s not too thin, when fasting the body uses it’s own fat as a fuel – at least until there’s no more. Since this fat is packed with toxins accumulated over years of modern cooked standard diet, using it as the only fuel releases those toxins in the lymph and blood  stream at an accelerated  rate. Such a detoxination at an uncontrolled runaway speed is dangerous and can lead to severe problems.
Title: Re: I need your advice re: PCOS (women health issue)
Post by: Adora on October 30, 2012, 01:53:43 am
     I like the iodine protocol that William mentioned too but sometimes I felt manic on it crazy and depressed. I was also limiting carbs and under lots of work/school stress so there were too many things in the bag to say for sure. In the last week I've added a little raw shellfish every day. Just a few pieces of oysters, clams, shrimp, and my favorite, scallops. I eat a large helping of sea vegs. too. They were causing unpleasant bloating and gas, except dulse never bothered me. I tried Inger's mackerel gut suggestion and my digestion of seaweeds improved dramatically. I suggest cutting the guts into chunks and bolting them. That's the only way I could get it down. I thought for sure I would be sick but, I felt the best I can remember that day. I ate the eyes and brains too, that is mild and tasty, imo. I'm getting more soon, the fish market gives me the carcass when I call ahead and he keeps the filets to sell. He would only throw it away and I make it up to them with my scallop purchases.
   the point is that I feel the iodine supplementation is more stable and beneficial with regular intake of foods rich in iodine.
   I had POCS, it was diagnosed with ultrasound 2yrs ago. I felt it too (an awareness that things were wrong/different, less female around my womb) but, I don't feel it any more. I haven't had a follow-up ultrasound but, I wouldn't opt for surgery or meds anyway. My reproductive organs feel much better since supplementing, and so on. My breasts were also full of palpable cysts, they dissolved in weeks so, iodine helped that.  I follow most of the other suggestion mentioned above too.
    I think Jack Kruse has great info on hormone related issues she should check out his website.
Title: Re: I need your advice re: PCOS (women health issue)
Post by: cherimoya_kid on October 31, 2012, 11:18:48 am
Even if she’s not too thin, when fasting the body uses it’s own fat as a fuel – at least until there’s no more. Since this fat is packed with toxins accumulated over years of modern cooked standard diet, using it as the only fuel releases those toxins in the lymph and blood  stream at an accelerated  rate. Such a detoxination at an uncontrolled runaway speed is dangerous and can lead to severe problems.

I admit it's possible to overdo fasting, but generally, I've had excellent results with it.  I've done up to 4 days at a time. I haven't fasted for several years, but I'm considering doing one on my next vacation from work.
Title: Re: I need your advice re: PCOS (women health issue)
Post by: TylerDurden on October 31, 2012, 03:48:50 pm
I suspect iguana is partially correct re fasting's benefits being mostly for those eating cooked food diets as it gives the body time to healh/detox. That said, I have personally noticed some fasting benefits years after going rawpalaeo. My mind becomes sharper, likely because fasting causes ketosis?
Title: Re: I need your advice re: PCOS (women health issue)
Post by: raw-al on October 31, 2012, 06:50:11 pm
Some aboriginal peoples have developed their systems to seem to need the cycle of fasting and gorging, like some animals such as snakes. Whether this is an adaptation or a natural human way is of course hard to say.

There has been studies done in the past on aboriginals who had serious diabetic issues in which they realized it was the abundance of white man's food that caused them to have issues. Previously they food sources were feast or famine.

So this goes into the mix and for some people, particularly those with chronic illnesses, fasting may actually be a good idea.

However for persons with low body fat or small features, fasting can be dangerous and counter-productive.
Title: Re: I need your advice re: PCOS (women health issue)
Post by: RawZi on October 31, 2012, 07:35:51 pm
However for persons with low body fat or small features, fasting can be dangerous and counter-productive.

    Like someone with a small nose, small mouth?
Title: Re: I need your advice re: PCOS (women health issue)
Post by: raw-al on October 31, 2012, 07:42:36 pm
    Like someone with a small nose, small mouth?
I meant a small person, generally thin, with typically smaller features. Not someone with only a small nose or mouth. There is a way to say this properly but it's too early in the AM LOL
Title: Re: I need your advice re: PCOS (women health issue)
Post by: cherimoya_kid on November 02, 2012, 02:13:25 pm
I suspect iguana is partially correct re fasting's benefits being mostly for those eating cooked food diets as it gives the body time to healh/detox. That said, I have personally noticed some fasting benefits years after going rawpalaeo. My mind becomes sharper, likely because fasting causes ketosis?

The clear-headedness is one of my favorite benefits. it's too bad that I'm usually too tired/mellow when fasting to write down the insights I get.