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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Welcoming Committee => Topic started by: Grithnir on October 24, 2012, 09:31:34 am
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Just thought I would say hi, I was recommended here. I am a schizophrenic, on a lot of supplements, and never thought about this type of diet that was suggested from a friend on this site. I take Niacin and Glycine in great quantities, and it helps me from rotating in cycles of confusion but I still do take the psychiatric medications, even though limiting them very much at times. I might drop one for the other, now that I feel less symptomatic, but I am interested in knowing more about probiotics, and certainly can't read a whole terrible amount tonight, but I am curious for any advice, especially about coffee replacements. I have seen some teas, but also some warnings, and don't know what to trust, except perhaps green tea. I live in the US, Pacific Northwest.
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Hello , welcome to the site.
I'd recommend you check out this book: http://www.amazon.com/MIRACULOUS-EXTREMELY-SUNSHINE-EXPERIMENT-ebook/dp/B005FCKN2S (http://www.amazon.com/MIRACULOUS-EXTREMELY-SUNSHINE-EXPERIMENT-ebook/dp/B005FCKN2S)
Its about a guy who started taking massive quantities of vitamin D3 after discovering its deficiency is at the core of practically every ailment. I myself have been taking 10k IU minimum every day, on many of those days 20k IU, and on some more. My advice would be to research it yourself, but from what I understand high dose vitamin (steroid!) D3 therapy can have a very big impact on what you suffer from.
I myself am noticing modest benefits after a few months. After a life long (severe, I expect) vitamin D insufficiency I'm sure it'll take a lot longer for me to pull myself out of the pit.
At high doses, D3 must be taken also with vitamin K2 (not to be confused with K1).
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Also vitamin d will use up magnesium.
There is an old timer here named raw with a brother with schizophrenia who might have some powerful suggestions for you. I would pm her directly if I were you. She always wants to help someone in your predicament. I'm sure she won't mind you contacting her that way. I haven't seen her around the forum as of late - that's why I would pm her. She knows some powerful protocols.
I would not stop your medication. Keep that up so that you CAN do the other things to help yourself. Often schizophrenics will give up their meds when they are feeling better. The problem is that with that disease if you get off your meds you won't understand that you need to go back on them. Stay on them and get a family member to help you. You need someone outside of yourself to evaluate and help you.
Welcome and good luck.
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Thank you for the words. I have a problem with the finances of all these supplements, like I need pills to have dietary substance and just say to hell with food, but anyways, the woman you are talking about is who recommended me here. I believe. Can you explain what K2 does for the UI vitamin D?
Ok, so I don't know how extensive this goes, but I would really like to meet someone in my area that practices all these things. I'm outside Boise, Idaho. Know that's probably a touch one.
So I take, Niacin, Glycine, B-Complex, multivitamin, and c, but I don't have D. And than I am on a few psychiatric medications and I don't plan to quit them any time soon. It's nice to meet you guys, and feel free to message me, with any specifics I should change because I get paid monthly and I will be out on the town November 1st to collect supplies.
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Your inbox is full so I couldn't PM u this.
I suggest you buy Dr. Abram Hoffeer's book "Healing Schizophrenia: Complementary Vitamin & Drug Treatments." Or at least google niacin schizophrenia cure.
Large doses of niacin cures, or effectively treats schizophrenia. To give you an example, I was on 120 mg of geodon, and 1500 mg of depakote.
When I started the niacin I was able to taper down to 40 mg and 500 mg. Eventually I stopped the depakote and stayed only on geodon.
I suggest buying the solgar, vegetable caps, 1000 mg niacin off amazon. You can get it for $20 w/ free shipping.
Take it with b complex (the kind that has about 50 mg per pill). I suggest the GI pro health SCD legal b complex.
Niacin therapy is more effective than raw paleo. I was very sick after stopping my niacin and staying on raw paleo.
When I started niacin again I got better. Raw paleo makes the niacin work better though.
What supplements are you on? And what doses and what medications? How do you eat?
Some essential supplements are the niaicin, to take large doses. B complex, and vitamin c.
These three supplements will be more effective than any drugs, although you may still need to be on meds.
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My inbox is not full according to what I am looking at, though I am definitely in Facebook mode, to understand a new software concept. I take about 1500mgs of Niacin, twice daily, and I can't really get into the other stuff, because I am not too clear on it, where it came from, the details about it. Someone just gave it to me, not open though. For one thing, I am very poor, I have extreme paranoia of tap water that I pay $100 a month for purified water delivered to my house. It's the only way I won't because if I have to carry that many by myself I would quit.
My diet is crap, right now, RAW, I believe is cooking up a diet for me, because I gave her the budget I have to work with. It's so drastic that I am getting a food box today, because my partner, really went decadent with snack items. And also, I need to purchase this all, for him as well, he is just like me, we were tortured into a schizophrenic diagnosis, and PTSD. So yes, it will be pricey. But please mail me the specifics of what words I am looking for on each vitamin.
Have you ever tried Glycine?
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I've heard a little about glycine, but not much. Why don't you tell me more?
Well if you're taking 1500 mg niacin twice daily, that should be fine. Though you could try 1000 3x.
Check out these supplements.
http://www.giprohealth.com/bcomplex-1.aspx (http://www.giprohealth.com/bcomplex-1.aspx)
I recomend that B Complex since it has the active forms of folic acid and B12.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0001VUOMM/ref=mp_s_a_2?pi=SL75&qid=1351095283&sr=8-2 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0001VUOMM/ref=mp_s_a_2?pi=SL75&qid=1351095283&sr=8-2)
This niacin is cheap, and has no bad additives.
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When he switches over to raw red meat he may see the need to reduce his niacin intake. Just monitor yourself.
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When he switches over to raw red meat he may see the need to reduce his niacin intake. Just monitor yourself.
I wouldn't advise that. When I started on raw paleo I tried the same thing. I was eating LOTS of high quality raw foods, after having been on a dairy, and bean free specific carbohydrate diet.
I reduced the niacin, and ended up getting hospitalized again.
After being let out of the hospital, I continued on raw paleo and wasn't well untill I reintroduced the high doses of niacin.
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Well, I just checked the Amazon website for Niacin in 1,000mg doses and they all say they will cause your face to flush. Or you have to build your endurance to that. I have been taking 500mg tablets. I found one reasonably priced but still pricey, "Twin-Lab" Niacin. I do have a lot of stomach issues, that I want to know more about the raw meat, and how it works. This is going to be costly, but yes Glycine is an amino-acid, that is found in jello and bone marrow, and it targets specifically the negative symptoms of schizophrenia, in fact when I am on it totally, I barely feel any pain, in my emotions. I have trouble, affording this, all. Not that I am asking anyone for it, but I will seriously have to think about how I am going to spend my money on that plan. I think I will just do 2,000 and my roommate do 2,000 twice daily, plus whatever is inside the B-Complex. Again, where does K2 fit in, from the previous thread second from top?
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Sorry 1,000mg twice daily.
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Sorry, I don't know this, but is it D 3? That I want? I am not too clear on that.
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Do you take the no flush niacin? I've heard that can upset the stomach.
Some times I get the flush, but I don't mind. I usually don't get nauseous, and when I do I drink more water and feel fine.
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Yes, I understand it now, because I read customer reviews. But yes, I had been purchasing it from a pharmacy and made sure it said flush free, because of other people mentioning that.
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Yes, I understand it now, because I read customer reviews. But yes, I had been purchasing it from a pharmacy and made sure it said flush free, because of other people mentioning that.
I think flush free is much more expensive, and known to cause stomache upset.
The flush isn't that bad, and after a few weeks it typically goes away.
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Just thought I would say hi, I was recommended here. I am a schizophrenic, on a lot of supplements, and never thought about this type of diet that was suggested from a friend on this site. I take Niacin and Glycine in great quantities, and it helps me from rotating in cycles of confusion but I still do take the psychiatric medications, even though limiting them very much at times. I might drop one for the other, now that I feel less symptomatic, but I am interested in knowing more about probiotics, and certainly can't read a whole terrible amount tonight, but I am curious for any advice, especially about coffee replacements. I have seen some teas, but also some warnings, and don't know what to trust, except perhaps green tea. I live in the US, Pacific Northwest.
Welcome to the slaughterhouse!
Raw WILD seafood is a powerful brainbooster with really strong healing power..
Good luck!
Löwenherz
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Thank you.
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Vitamin C with the niacin can prevent or reduce the flush.
I don't know about vitamin K. I think the k had to do with the vitamin D that Barefoot recommended. I was saying that if you do vit D then it is advisable that you also do magnesium. I'm not familiar with these therapies for Schizophrenia - but surely they can support the body in general.
I really don't know nearly as much about this as DaBoss and Raw do. I think you are in good hands with them! If you can get on any kind of government assistance like food stamps it could help so that you can put the dollars you have towards your supplements. Instead of buying vitamin D, in the summer you can go out into the sun - which will be good for you in other ways too.
Niacin will open up the capillaries in your brain allowing for the blood to carry away what it needs to and bring in the nutrition your brain needs. To date, I have heard of no other therapy as powerful as niacin for schizophrenia.
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Thank you Dorothy. I have a quick question. So I just bought the non flush free, but I went with a much lower dosage because I have been noticing I am itching all over, and a friend said that's what Niacin can do, even damaging your kidneys. I was only pushing 1,000 and I felt itchy. And it's odd, because my sister just informed me that she has a strange pregnancy condition involving itching, that will cause her to go insane by the time she gives birth.
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Thank you Dorothy. I have a quick question. So I just bought the non flush free, but I went with a much lower dosage because I have been noticing I am itching all over, and a friend said that's what Niacin can do, even damaging your kidneys. I was only pushing 1,000 and I felt itchy. And it's odd, because my sister just informed me that she has a strange pregnancy condition involving itching, that will cause her to go insane by the time she gives birth.
If I'm not mistaken any type of niacin can give liver problems in high enough doses. But the major problem is with timed release, or sustained release niacin.
TR niacin is much more likely to cause a live problem. Regular niacin doesn't typically do that, but its still possible, just much less likely.
As far as the flush goes, that's why you're so itchy. That's normal with regular niacin, and eventually you get used to it. It also eventually goes away.
I actually really like the flush. I don't mind it at all. Try to just get through it, it only lasts 15-30 minutes. And you'll save a lot of money by not buying the non-flush version. Also it might help your upset stomache.
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I'm not sure the non-flush even works. If I understand it right - the flush is actually what will heal you. The flush is from all those super tiny capillaries near your skin being opened. It's also what makes you itchy - but those little capillaries being opened is what gets the blood flow to your brain in places that it hasn't been before.
Vitamin C I understand can really help with the flush and itching. Google vitamin c and niacin. I don't know the dosages.
To me, I would think that the most important thing is to get the flush that you are able to tolerate well and keep on building as your body gets more and more tolerant. The flush itself, that causes that itching, is what is getting your brain blood, nutrients, immune agents - and allowing the bad stuff to be taken away.
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DeBoss, I have actually just purchased everything you listed to me in my private messages. It will be shipped, and I chose 500mg Niacin as I figured it may take some smaller increments to get that high up there. Also I did include the Glycine, as I told you a year ago I took it religiously but lost track of it somehow, and anyways, it does help me a great deal. I am thinking, since you told me your other medication I will tell you I just added Seroquel, and I think I am going to slowly discontinue use of Risperdal, because it too has possible side effects associated with the liver. So, what about kidneys? That was the other one common problem a friend told me.
Dorothy, I think I am better, it was yesterday I was really itchy, but today I just took, 500mg Niacin and don't have any problems, though the first thirty minutes maybe some strange feelings. There is a lot of things that seem could go wrong, or already are. I do not know. Anyways, thank you for the invitation, and I hope we can remain friends. I need encouragement many times, so thank you for allowing me to be apart of this group.
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Hey Grit. No problem.
The thing is not to worry too much about the itching. It's just a natural part of those capillaries being open which is a good thing and it goes away. If you know it's a side-effect of something that is actually part of the healing it might be easier for you to get through if it happens again.
I'm just a member here like you - and I wish you well. I'm here for encouragement any time you need it. What you are doing is commendable. I love seeing people take charge of their own health - on all levels.
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DeBoss, I have actually just purchased everything you listed to me in my private messages. It will be shipped, and I chose 500mg Niacin as I figured it may take some smaller increments to get that high up there. Also I did include the Glycine, as I told you a year ago I took it religiously but lost track of it somehow, and anyways, it does help me a great deal. I am thinking, since you told me your other medication I will tell you I just added Seroquel, and I think I am going to slowly discontinue use of Risperdal, because it too has possible side effects associated with the liver. So, what about kidneys? That was the other one common problem a friend told me.
Dorothy, I think I am better, it was yesterday I was really itchy, but today I just took, 500mg Niacin and don't have any problems, though the first thirty minutes maybe some strange feelings. There is a lot of things that seem could go wrong, or already are. I do not know. Anyways, thank you for the invitation, and I hope we can remain friends. I need encouragement many times, so thank you for allowing me to be apart of this group.
I've never heard of any problems with niacin and the kidneys.
Drink lots of water, I noticed my stomache hurts some times when I don't drink enough water.
If you're concerned about your live enzymes, you can have your doctor order those tests each visit.
Most people's liver enzymes can be increased, but that's not a reason to discontinue niacin. I read in Dr. Abram Hoffer's book that elevated liver enzymes are normal.
Again, problems are extremely rare. Especially when done properly (taking b complex and vitamin c).
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How long does it take one to "normalize" in these cases? Normalize for me is to eventually just live a supplement free life and just stick to food?
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I think that would be impossible to answer GS as the goal is to get to live any kind of normal life even when still on medications - with going off medications and feeling good considered quite miraculous - most people wouldn't care if they had to continue to take supplements.
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I think that would be impossible to answer GS as the goal is to get to live any kind of normal life even when still on medications - with going off medications and
feeling good considered quite miraculous - most people wouldn't care if they had to continue to take supplements.
How long does it take one to "normalize" in these cases? Normalize for me is to eventually just live a supplement free life and just stick to food?
Most people with schizophrenia can't get off the supplements. We typically need the supplements to normalize.
With niacin, most can taper their medications to really low doses. There's even some cases where they can be completely off meds with a thorough supplement protocol.
If doing raw paleo and niacin, I think the chances of being med free increase. But I don't think it's wise to experiment with only eating raw paleo, and not taking niacin.
Niacin is more effective for schizophrenia than raw paleo. How ever, raw paleo makes the niacin work better.
I notice that eating some raw foods (raw eggs and raw milk) and taking niacin, I'm much better off than when I was on a cooked diet with zero raw animal foods. Even though both times I was on niacin.
I think its because the raw fats and aminos are helping me big time.
Most websites that recomend holistic treatments for schizophrenia recomend increasing omega 3's, taking certain amino acids, etc. And raw paleo has lots of omega 3's and aminos.
But again, the niacin is essential for treatment. And its not recomended to ever get off it unless it gives you a liver problem. In which case you discontinue it till your liver recovers, then you try it again.
As some people may get a problem that goes away, and then its fine to continue
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Thank you for the great personal experience insight on Schizophrenia. It's very informative. My healer friend Vander Gaditano uses niacin in his treatments of various allegedly incurable diseases. It's refreshing to read it from the actual patients who use niacin.
I'd like to share this podcast to all you Schizophrenia sufferers, I'm betting these electromagnetic fields are such a big part of the cause. Maybe some personal shielding may be of help?
Dr. Emil DeToffol – What are Electromagnetic Fields and How Can We Protect Ourselves from Them? – October 18, 2012
http://www.oneradionetwork.com/environmental-challenges/dr-emil-detoffol-what-are-electromagnetic-fields-and-how-can-we-protect-ourselves-from-them-october-18-2012/ (http://www.oneradionetwork.com/environmental-challenges/dr-emil-detoffol-what-are-electromagnetic-fields-and-how-can-we-protect-ourselves-from-them-october-18-2012/)
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DeBoss, I have actually just purchased everything you listed to me in my private messages. It will be shipped, and I chose 500mg Niacin as I figured it may take some smaller increments to get that high up there. Also I did include the Glycine, as I told you a year ago I took it religiously but lost track of it somehow, and anyways, it does help me a great deal. I am thinking, since you told me your other medication I will tell you I just added Seroquel, and I think I am going to slowly discontinue use of Risperdal, because it too has possible side effects associated with the liver.
So which supplements of the ones I told you about did you order? Let me know so I can give you details on how to take them.
Also, didn't you say you were taking 1,500 mg 2x per day? I take 1,000 mg 3x per day, so we've been taking the same amount. I just recommend spreading it out.
Have you started considering making tweaks to your diet yet?
For diet, I suggest an emphasis on raw animal fats. So choose foods like raw eggs, bone marrow, suet, and fatty fish. Suet you should be able to get for very cheap. Suet is raw beef fat. When I was fully raw paleo suet was a large part of my diet.
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Instead of buying vitamin D, in the summer you can go out into the sun - which will be good for you in other ways too.
I'd recommend against this advice. In the Summer you can go out into the sun, and definitely should for as much as you think you can stand, but you also need to buy vitamin D3 (and yes, its the D3 you want, not D1 or D2). This is because even in summer, unless you're in a place like Africa, its very difficult to get anywhere close to the amount of D that we need.
Basically, the deficiency's start in most of us from birth, and from our development simply because the mom is deficient or insufficient. Then, living in northern climates, and spending so much of our time indoors even when we live in a sunny climate, just compounds on each other. Year after year, it gets worse, until your levels may drop down to a steady low number and stay there (or maybe were always that low and can't climb higher), that could and often with most of us IS anywhere from half as high as it should be, to a third, or even a fifth. Sunlight alone can't pull you out of this terrible slump we've all got ourselves into, and don't even realize it.
The theory goes that when Vit D levels drop low, it tells our body we're now in hibernation mode. This tells our body to reserve as many resources as it can. Our bodies then repair damage (and this includes ALL damage in every way to all of your cells, including the ability to eliminate waste, create things it needs, even just proper functioning of all processes) only as much as it needs to get by, whether that causes you chronic pain or not. Your body has done its job with the signals its received, simple as that. It knows it needs to reserve resources in case you break your arm, and then maybe break it AGAIN, in a time of "famine and scarcity" even though that may not even be the case at all. Those low levels of our main HEALING steroid hormone tells your body to never fix things well. It just doesn't receive the signal to do it properly.
The vitamin K2 works in combination with the D3, and it uses up the K2 in the process. At high levels of both, your body goes into a rebuilding state. It starts to break down the things that were built improperly or inefficiently. Basically it eats away at your "diseased" parts, and then rebuilds them. This can be noticed in the fact that your joints may hurt for a time, or chronic pain areas will re inflame as it heals properly. The author of that book experienced this very intensely, and when it was over after about a year, up to 8 or 10 of his (sometimes severe) problems were either greatly diminished, or eliminated. I've experienced this effect too, noting how much better an area felt afterwards.
Magnesium would be a smart idea, except I'd recommend you take it in the form that is within Himalayan crystal salt. All the minerals (84 total, about 10 main and 70+ trace) are in a nice, proper balance, in an easily absorb-able form all connected molecularity.
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To Grithnir, Welcome buddy! U should look high meat and other things. U should pay attention on ur digestive system. I can guide u the safe way on orthomolecular treatment. God bless u
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Thank you all for accepting me, it's quite an information overload. I wanted to report a problem with my inbox as I just sent two letters out to DaBoss, and the administrator, and it claims my inbox is beyond capacity, but yet it has just two letters from those two inside it. It's a technical problem, but I didn't want to repeat myself, much on that subject, whether or not those emails went through. I am having a strange day, right now, and I feel slightly catatonic or stoic, and this happens to me many times. But the letter to DaBoss, indicated I have attempted his instructions. I am going to reread through this later, but I am really, behind myself today.
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The body can make 10,000 iu in 15 minutes of summer sun even in Northern Climates. Please don't make me go and find that study! ;)
It's another issue entirely if you can't make or absorb the vitamin d - that's why a vitamin d test is good to do. Supplementing vitamin d when your body can and is making it is not the best use of resources.
Grit's problem according to him with the supplementation is money. That's why I was trying to help him to prioritize his cash.
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Hi Dorothy.
I don't often go in the sun. It is drastically hot in the summer, and snowy in the winter in Idaho, so I don't often expose myself. And I am getting a letter shortly about my deficiencies, that I convinced my doctor to research, with blood samples. So I will have a definite answer about that soon.
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Oh good - he did a vitamin d test then. Excellent!
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Vitamin D has a significant role there is no doubt. But when we take D naturally from sun, it is divine. It has more usefullness than the man made one. Remember, mother's nature can't be ever bad. In Alaska, now there is the highest crime rate and people are often homosexual. Buy when there were old Eskimo, where the used to live in extreme winter and suck the warm blood from wild seal, they usually did not suffer any schizophrenia.
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To Grithnir,, still u can have sunbath in the early mild sun in the summer and middle of the sunny day in fall. There is no excuse for that.
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Vitamin D has a significant role there is no doubt. But when we take D naturally from sun, it is divine. It has more usefullness than the man made one.
I fully agree. I would never trust artificial supplement products of any kind.
Löwenherz
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Well, in defense there, I am on anti-psychotics, and most schizophrenics agree as I find out, we are too sensitive to sunlight. But I did miss out this fall, because it was only moderate for a few days, but in the spring I can.
Also can someone mention this to the moderator. My inbox is not working correctly. It says two letters have made it 200% full. I emailed back to the moderator, but I don't know if it went through because it is malfunctioning.
THe supplements are alright with me. I know it would be ideal to have a full diet of natural foods to prepare and make, for a very rich life, but I am barely making it to the next month without fasting.
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The body can make 10,000 iu in 15 minutes of summer sun even in Northern Climates. Please don't make me go and find that study! ;)
It's another issue entirely if you can't make or absorb the vitamin d - that's why a vitamin d test is good to do. Supplementing vitamin d when your body can and is making it is not the best use of resources.
I wouldn't argue on that point. But I'm afraid you're missing my point here. A lot of us live in areas where we only get sun for a short few months (I'm in Vancouver, Canada. This definitely apply's to me). In the Summer months, sure, once you get up to a good base level you can probably be alright not supplementing during the Summer. I don't know, honestly. But during the winter months? Or the fall months? Even a lot of some peoples Spring months. On many of those days you essentially produce next to no vitamin D and you go into your hibernation mode. Your body starts working less efficient in its bid to preserve as many resources as it can through this "hardship". This affects people to different degrees, but most of us do feel more crappy all through the crappy months.
The theory supports evidence that your body may even purposefully get sick during the drab months, in order to make you bed ridden so you don't move and cause it to use energy. It doesn't understand you may have a job, or you need to get stuff done. All it knows is it wants you to sit around and do nothing because it feels its top priority is to conserve its resources in case really bad things start to happen. This prevents healing to a huge degree, in all ways.
Evidence is suggesting that a baseline, every single day of your life, could be in the range of 30,000 IU minimum. Or at the very least, 20,000. On sunny days this doesn't seem like a problem. Sitting in the sun a lot this Summer, I began to notice an instinctual "okay get the hell out of the sun now" feeling when I felt I had enough. The thing is, even in the Summer, there were still a decent amount of cloudy days too. I was also stuck inside of a big warehouse for so many, many precious hours of it. Being in the shade would have done me so much more good than being completely blocked from the sun by building. In my mind, this made for a more confusing time for my body that is unnatural, as in older times so much more time I imagine would have been spent, at the least, in shade.
I fully agree. I would never trust artificial supplement products of any kind.
Löwenherz
Grant you, there's a lot of filler in those things, yes. That is crap. But the vitamin D itself you don't actually absorb into your cells and keep there. It circulates in the blood (in the same form as it normally would, after getting converted in the liver) and tells your receptors to do all sorts of nice good things like proper regulation of balanced minerals and bone building. I agree, I admit I don't like taking it in this form either because of the fillers. I hear the liquid form is a lot better, but a bit more expensive. But, I understand now that the alternative is much worse. After the research I've done, I know my vitamin D intake needs to go up dramatically. The alternative is a continual degradation of my body while it uses up its life force trying to struggle against unnatural conditions. I need to tell my body its in sunny, shady, Africa, not cold and snowy Canada.
People leaving testimonials as to high dosage vitamin D therapy sound extremely promising. When upping their intake smartly, they seem to rid themselves of many chronic problems of many kinds.
The only true way to know if you're maintaining a proper level is a vitamin D test, so its best to get those every 6 months maybe? I've yet to do mine, but plan to in November. I suspect very low numbers.
Vitamin D is actually rather inexpensive. I understand its much cheaper in the states than in Canada, but I pay about 8 bucks for 240,000 IU. This lasts me about 2/3's of a month I'd say. If you take a modest 10,000 IU a day you could probably get away with paying less than 5 dollars a month? I'm not sure, you'd have to check your prices if you decide to try it. From what I hear though, it takes a minimum 15k IU per day to make a decent impact on blood levels.
The vitamin K2 on the other hand is more pricey. I think about 10 bucks per month mayhaps? Again, not sure about your prices.
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Hello Grithnir :) Welcome, I'm glad to see you here!
If you are available the morning of November fifth, I hold an internet group voice chat group of raw animal food eaters. A couple of the people in the group may be good connections for you, as they are using raw food and some have weaned off medications.
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I tried to message you and got an automatic response that your inbox is too full to receive my message. I will send it elsewise for now.
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OK, thank you. I will try, I am having a very rough time. And very desperate to see if this type of diet would cure my stomach problems. Also, someone you all know sent me farmers that sell goat milk here, and I didn't or don't remember the full instructions on that, and what is the benefit.
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OK, thank you. I will try, I am having a very rough time. And very desperate to see if this type of diet would cure my stomach problems. Also, someone you all know sent me farmers that sell goat milk here, and I didn't or don't remember the full instructions on that, and what is the benefit.
Dairy's not really recomended for schizophrenics.
But if it's one of the few foods you can afford (like me) it's better than the conventional milk.
Assuming you're talking about grass fed, raw goat milk. It should have some benefits, like healthy fats, raw amino acids.
Again, raw milk is ok for some people. But for schizophrenics, if you can afford to not consume any dairy, grains or beans, and just eat raw meats, fruits veggies and nuts, that would be ideal.
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I will explain than DaBoss. I have had a terrible nausea, for many years. I've told the doctors and they can't do anything about it, I am on a handful of pills just to control my stomach, including acidity, and I need to clear up the acidity, with no pills, really quickly, it's this chaotic cycle, that they have no answers to. Where right now I am the worst, throwing up, heart burn and constipation, I had things going all right for a while, but I have a tendency to require milk when I first wake up. If I go according to my plan of action against throwing up, it requires I start the day with some type of milk. But I will to try many things to heal this problem. My stomach is a nightmare, and for three years the doctors wouldn't even listen to me, and now they tell me there is nothing they can do!
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And because of this I can't even address my psychological well being. It's this agonizing thing that I wanted to find a native American shaman to cure at one point.
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Sounds like colon constipation.
Something castor oil can fix fast to declog.
In my country we have Dr. Tam's Miracle tea, or Red Juice.
You may have something else in your country.
And maybe 30 to 60 days of Barefoot Herbalist MH LBB capsules to re-tone the colon muscles.
Along with a raw paleo diet... will give you superman's colon.
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I found the Caster Oil, but not the herbalist remedy on Amazon, so it must have a different equivalent here. -\
Thank you.
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Thank you, I will give that a try. Have no idea, but it's unbearable sometimes. -v
Links:
http://www.barefootherbalistmh.com/ (http://www.barefootherbalistmh.com/)
and his Q&A forum http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=626 (http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=626)
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buy here http://oldfashionedspices.com/page_capsules.html (http://oldfashionedspices.com/page_capsules.html)
But you need to read his teachings and ask him how to use LBB. This has made my colon and my son's colon super colons, independent, free from any maintenance supplements. This LBB is a restorative product. Once restored, we are free from it. (I took it for 60 days. My son son took it for 60 days.)
We now have champion guts.
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Thank you goodsamaritan. I read all of that and followed your links. You may not have caught site of this from the earlier posts, but my inbox on this site is not functioning. It's been a problem for two people trying to send me a private message, it's not really a rush thing, but I guess it would help. Also so the others know, RAW has helped me locate a delivery farm, only, that has eggs, goat milk, and beef, to her specifications, so I am pursuing that this week, and she is giving me more of the directions of how to turn the meat into a "high" food, which I am a little weirded out by, but it's worth a shot. Possibly the goat milk is unnecessary, and it doesn't help with schizophrenia.
Yesterday was a really terrible day for my weaknesses. They really came out, and besides my colon, what is the remedy for heart burn. Just the meat, or other techniques? I need all stomach problems gone, it's been five years of never getting it solved, and I can't live like this much longer. Not to be dramatic, it's just it hurts so much, and I feel so weak, from this vicious cycle. I am moving around a lot more already with the vitamins, but I am really hoping, this meat and eggs, just sends me to a symptom free world.
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... what is the remedy for heart burn. Just the meat, or other techniques? I need all stomach problems gone, it's been five years of never getting it solved, and I can't live like this much longer.
Before RPD, I could never eat without burning in my stomach. This went on for more than 30 years. This helped me be serious about eating a raw paleo diet. Although along the way I did experiment with non-paleo foods like goats milk, I always ended up going back to straight RPD. That is the only constant for me - if my distant ancestors didn't eat it, neither do I. I have had curing of my entire digestive tract without any other treatments. I don't mean to tell you to stop your medications, but I encourage you to keep it simple.
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I wouldn't argue on that point. But I'm afraid you're missing my point here. A lot of us live in areas where we only get sun for a short few months (I'm in Vancouver, Canada. This definitely apply's to me). In the Summer months, sure, once you get up to a good base level you can probably be alright not supplementing during the Summer. I don't know, honestly. But during the winter months? Or the fall months? Even a lot of some peoples Spring months. On many of those days you essentially produce next to no vitamin D and you go into your hibernation mode. Your body starts working less efficient in its bid to preserve as many resources as it can through this "hardship". This affects people to different degrees, but most of us do feel more crappy all through the crappy months.
The theory supports evidence that your body may even purposefully get sick during the drab months, in order to make you bed ridden so you don't move and cause it to use energy. It doesn't understand you may have a job, or you need to get stuff done. All it knows is it wants you to sit around and do nothing because it feels its top priority is to conserve its resources in case really bad things start to happen. This prevents healing to a huge degree, in all ways.
Evidence is suggesting that a baseline, every single day of your life, could be in the range of 30,000 IU minimum. Or at the very least, 20,000. On sunny days this doesn't seem like a problem. Sitting in the sun a lot this Summer, I began to notice an instinctual "okay get the hell out of the sun now" feeling when I felt I had enough. The thing is, even in the Summer, there were still a decent amount of cloudy days too. I was also stuck inside of a big warehouse for so many, many precious hours of it. Being in the shade would have done me so much more good than being completely blocked from the sun by building. In my mind, this made for a more confusing time for my body that is unnatural, as in older times so much more time I imagine would have been spent, at the least, in shade.
Grant you, there's a lot of filler in those things, yes. That is crap. But the vitamin D itself you don't actually absorb into your cells and keep there. It circulates in the blood (in the same form as it normally would, after getting converted in the liver) and tells your receptors to do all sorts of nice good things like proper regulation of balanced minerals and bone building. I agree, I admit I don't like taking it in this form either because of the fillers. I hear the liquid form is a lot better, but a bit more expensive. But, I understand now that the alternative is much worse. After the research I've done, I know my vitamin D intake needs to go up dramatically. The alternative is a continual degradation of my body while it uses up its life force trying to struggle against unnatural conditions. I need to tell my body its in sunny, shady, Africa, not cold and snowy Canada.
People leaving testimonials as to high dosage vitamin D therapy sound extremely promising. When upping their intake smartly, they seem to rid themselves of many chronic problems of many kinds.
The only true way to know if you're maintaining a proper level is a vitamin D test, so its best to get those every 6 months maybe? I've yet to do mine, but plan to in November. I suspect very low numbers.
Barefoot - it seems that you didn't fully read my original suggestion to Grit:
Instead of buying vitamin D, in the summer you can go out into the sun - which will be good for you in other ways too.
I actually agree with you. My husband has been helped a great deal with vitamin d supplementation. I didn't suggest that Grit not take vitamin d in the winter ESPECIALLY if his numbers are low - just in the summer when most places you can get enough by going out into the sun (save money) and the other good effects that the sun has for the system.
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I wanted to say something. I am in Idaho, we have many ski resorts here, but I went to school in California, in fact lived in that state for four years. I find people that are in the sunlight, that much, have minds that are way too open, like parts are falling out, and they literally lose sight of their identity by the weather being so perfect. Can't really explain how, but sometimes when I was there, it's like the knowledgeable people just stuck out among this crowd of people drunk off the sun and it's effect on the brain. I am taking this to a psychological level.
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I wanted to say something. I am in Idaho, we have many ski resorts here, but I went to school in California, in fact lived in that state for four years. I find people that are in the sunlight, that much, have minds that are way too open, like parts are falling out, and they literally lose sight of their identity by the weather being so perfect. Can't really explain how, but sometimes when I was there, it's like the knowledgeable people just stuck out among this crowd of people drunk off the sun and it's effect on the brain. I am taking this to a psychological level.
Fundamentalist Muslims live in a very sunny climate, generally.
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Hey griithnir how you holdiing up? Are those supplements helping?
Have you added any raw foods yet?
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Hey Grithnir, RAW tells us you've almost gotten off all the meds you've been on for several years.
Congrats. It would be great if you could update the forum on your progress.
Things you might wanna include:
- how you felt before the supps+diet, and how you feel after
- what meds you've been on and the doses you were on before and the doses you're on now
- what supps and foods you're eating
- and anything else you feel should be included
Again, congrats. I look forward to hearing from you.
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How long does it take one to "normalize" in these cases? Normalize for me is to eventually just live a supplement free life and just stick to food?
I thought about this recently. I thought to myself, if leaky gut is fully healed - for example by eating strictly raw and scd legal, never cheating. Lots of fats, all organic.
After 5-10 years maybe you could try getting off the niacin. However it would require close monitoring by someone who would notice if you started developing negative symptoms.
Assuming after 5-10 years you'd be so well nourished, and your gut flora would have drastically changed. And all the issues on microbial influence .com would have been addressed.
but even then it would be risky, and the possibility of a set back would make it a needless risk.
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Grithnr, I get the feeling you haven't been on the forum for awhile, but I wanna throw this out there since you said you're having stomach problems.
There's new evidence that suggests mental illness, like digestive illness, originates in the gut. Look into following a raw version of the specific carbohydrate diet.