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Im fed up with being half-ass about curing eczema
last year my eczema just suddenly disappeared
but it was still there, the dry skin (just not much rash)
i knew it but drinking culture in university draws me in and i've been binge drinking all throughout last year
Now it came back, eczema all over me
reverting to cooked paleo + cutting on alcohol doesn't seem to do much improvement
Hence i've decided to come back here and ask for all your help
Finally found out some places where i can get grain-fed but hormone fed beef + grass fed beef (grass fed beef i can only get it up till christmas on every saturday but i'll try my best)
Bought some organic eggs and lemon + VCO of my own, going to do liver flush tomorrow morning
I will also try to take photos and monitor the progress throughout my trial experiment
31/10/2012
1 small square basket of raspberries , later 1 small square basket of strawberries
around 2-3 hrs later
cooked some left over hormone free grain-fed meat (the best i can get sometimes)
seared those stew cubes lightly
Last meal before sleep
grass-fed liver (around 3-4 slices), sprinkled some salt with steak condiment i found in the drawer
reason is im still not use to eating raw meat yet
after that had some huge sweet cravings, ate couple small chocolate bars
it's crazy, i've always had sweet cravings since i was little..don't know how to stop it
History of myself
Always had eczema + asthma since i was little, had steroid cream and anti-histamine up until a point. Stopped using them cuz eczema slowly recovered but asthma remains. Luckily i didn't need medication ( in fact im allergic to them in a way), so i suffered but didn't had emergencies
slowly trained my way out of asthma (cross country, swimming) and got to high school, where suddenly i started getting eczema back, and it remains and got worse and worse till end of high school
things i've attempted when i was back in Hong kong includes
cooked paleo diet
sun tanning (helped lots)
fish oil supplements
Now im on myself, i don't care about how ppl view me anymore, especially i don't need to worry about parents
Please give me all the help you guys, appreciated! 8)
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The attitude is great!
i knew it but drinking culture in university draws me in and i've been binge drinking all throughout last year
Now it came back, eczema all over me
And you know what may have caused it.
Just be methodical. You know the cure protocol.
You might want to add spleen nourishing and energizing foods and protocols... and probably get in touch with acupuncture and TCM practitioners too.
Sweets cravings can be killed in 3 days by vco detox if you aren't allergic to vco.
Find a buddy raw paleo dieter near you, it helps.
Of course you know that "cure" means you win it all... plus you get the girls. How old are you?
My bro almost died of psoriasis in 2007 and now he has 2 children.
There is a recent hypothesis that the BT toxin from gmo corn survives the digestion of livestock, so you get the bt toxin in the meat, or that the old gmo corn or soybean you ate had infected your intestines and causing leaky gut by bacteria in your gut making bt toxins.
Check out my latest blog post http://www.myhealthblog.org/2012/10/31/leaky-gut-root-cause-bt-toxin-being-created-by-bacteria-in-our-gut-due-to-previous-bt-corn-ingestion-rife-frequencies-needed/ (http://www.myhealthblog.org/2012/10/31/leaky-gut-root-cause-bt-toxin-being-created-by-bacteria-in-our-gut-due-to-previous-bt-corn-ingestion-rife-frequencies-needed/)
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Badboy - an interesting tidbit of info for you - a smart homeopathic physician mentioned to us (my husband used to have excema but no longer does) that children that have steroids for excema just push the condition further into their bodies where it becomes asthma.
Best wishes to you in releasing these conditions as you detox with a better diet. It does work.
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My eczema disappeared with raw paleo, no fooling around. Thinking about what you reported eating on your first post, I must admit that I would be starving if I ate that, so hungry that I wouldn't care what I ate. What was missing was FAT! My butcher gives me free, grass-fed beef fat, or sometimes charges me 99 cents per pound (super-cheap). Cooked foods mess me up. If your only goal is curing eczema, then do it!
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Diet for the last couple days was a mad struggle
First off my sugary craving is crazy, im going to try to get VCO detox done.
Cheated off some chocolate and sweet candies, i guess im not getting enough calories from fat (nor am i eating enough calories i guess)
yesterday craved cooked food first thing in the morning too
so Question: how do you combat the craving for cooked food in winter (its freaking cold here in canada)
Having trouble getting enough meat because the farmer market closed before i went there, only got 2 lamb livers, 1 ground lamb and 1 lamb heart (tiny piece)
Going to go online and also through my town and see if there're more grass-fed sources
What are parts with good fat content?
For some reason can't take bone marrow straight, feels grossed out
am i just not used to it?
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Heart and kidney has saturated dry suet fat. Older animals have fat under the skin on their backs. Brain is full of fat.
I don't like suet myself very much, but I don't mind grating it and eating it with my meat rather than straight.
What are parts with good fat content?
For some reason can't take bone marrow straight, feels grossed out
am i just not used to it?
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Diet for the last couple days was a mad struggle
First off my sugary craving is crazy, im going to try to get VCO detox done.
Cheated off some chocolate and sweet candies, i guess im not getting enough calories from fat (nor am i eating enough calories i guess)
yesterday craved cooked food first thing in the morning too
so Question: how do you combat the craving for cooked food in winter (its freaking cold here in canada)
Having trouble getting enough meat because the farmer market closed before i went there, only got 2 lamb livers, 1 ground lamb and 1 lamb heart (tiny piece)
Going to go online and also through my town and see if there're more grass-fed sources
What are parts with good fat content?
For some reason can't take bone marrow straight, feels grossed out
am i just not used to it?
Make yourself some soup stocks. You need to be warm.
Don't eat cold food. You should defrost your meats. Sear them if you are a beginner.
Take some herbal teas that are warming / yang increasing from the tcm point of view.
If you can get panax ginseng supplements, that will give you warmth.
Ginger teas, fermented raw ginger will warm you up too.
I gather it is not a good time to go cold turkey raw paleo now in winter. This is a good time to do transitions. At least be cooked / rare / raw paleo will do for the transition.
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Make yourself some soup stocks. You need to be warm.
Don't eat cold food. You should defrost your meats. Sear them if you are a beginner.
Take some herbal teas that are warming / yang increasing from the tcm point of view.
If you can get panax ginseng supplements, that will give you warmth.
Ginger teas, fermented raw ginger will warm you up too.
I gather it is not a good time to go cold turkey raw paleo now in winter. This is a good time to do transitions. At least be cooked / rare / raw paleo will do for the transition.
I second all of that!
Hot spices and teas can help to keep you warm. Adding some hot spices to that stock can make you sweat no matter how cold it is. Also, blankets and sweaters and hats are good too. :)
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alrite had some steak today, pretty raw other than searing both sides
shitty meat thou, combination of grain-fed or grass-fed corn finished (don't know which, they say it's either)
cross-rib, sliced into steaks
ate some apples throughout the day, cheated a bit by drinking some egg nog and some chocolate sauce on the apple
did a liver flush this morning, although had some constipation issue (not moving very well)
managed too poop out a lotta poop
don't know if there're stones thou but definitely felt the urge to poop
will try to find a way to pick it apart and see what's inside my poop..
having tooth decay issue on one of my teeth on the left (dentist said i chew gum too much made a hole there, not infected but it's sensitive)
i'll try to do some oil pulling and see if it improves
also losing hair a lot lately..just feel like my hairline is receding..
how can i stop it???
i get dandruff and itch all over my head, i think it's eczema
the scratching definitely doesn't help but it's not stopping
i definitely need to find some cheap meat source and try to stick to a raw diet..
not having a car is a pain in the ass..
symptoms:
hairloss
itching eczema all over my body, arms, legs, face, neck
cold hands and feet (started taking ginger tea today, had like 3 cups)
constant craving for more food + sugary stuff
low energy all throughout the day
irregular sleeping pattern (time management)
food coma right after eating food, poor digestion?
problem: lack of good meat
lack of sun light (taking vitamin d3 1000IU/pill, 2 per day)
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If it isn't raw paleo. Just make sure it is paleo.
Watch the movie King Corn http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/infonews-items/watch-the-movie-king-corn (http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/infonews-items/watch-the-movie-king-corn)
Shows how commercial beef has become a sick corn fed animal. Also commercial chickens.
So you may have better results getting other animals... even if they are cooked initially.
Just nail down paleo diet at the start can be your first achievement, even if cooked at times.
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GS, what would you say are the most helpful foods for curing eczema? A friend of mine has persistent mild eczema on the neck area. He has been eating all raw (or almost all raw) from high-quality foods for months but the eczema persists. He is willing to eat raw shrimps/salmon/beef/chicken heart/bone marrow, but not other organs. Which of the five afore-mentioned foods is most healing for eczema? Is there any fruit/vegi/nuts/seeds he should stay away from?
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Food is just one thing.
Environmental allergies / pollution is another.
Detoxing is another.
shrimps are eczema causing when farmed.
salmon may be eczema causing when farmed.
beef may be eczema causing if corn fed.
chicken may be eczema causing of intensively factory farmed.
bone marrow from beef may be bad if corn fed and sickly.
other underlying diseases and conditions is another.
Remember that eczema is a coping mechanism. So think, coping from what?
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GS, thanks for responding.
As I said, all his raw animal foods are high quality, meaning grass-fed or wild caught from clean waters with no preservatives.
Remember that eczema is a coping mechanism. So think, coping from what?
I guess coping with toxins in the body? So detox is the solution?
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Environmental allergies / pollution... personal "care" products soap, shampoo, home indoor pollution from molds, chemicals, laundry, dishwash, work related stuff, fluid intake.
Detoxing is another... is your friend finished with detoxing his or her organs? Spleen system? Liver? Kidneys? Colon?
Done any fasting to heal leaky gut?
In TCM is his yin/yang balanced.
Emotions, stress, sleeping time
EMF pollution, etc.
Some people are allergic even to the most high quality chicken... look at food allergies too.
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Thank you, GS. So complicated! I thought a good RPD is a cure-all. ???
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Update for the last weeks
Been struggling to get meat, worked out the schedule lately
Good source for Marrow Bones + Liver on saturdays (local farmers market)
Local farmers market for fruits and vegetables
my mixed meal consisting of cooked paleo+raw paleo (i mix them up so i transit smoothly)
organic raw egg yolks (2-3) in the morning (egg white taste disgusting to me..)
medium Fried no MSG no hormone smoked bacon 5-6 slices/meal(sometimes for lunch, dinner)
Stew beef broth consisting of garlic, ginger and sweet onion (hormone free but not sure if grass-fed / grain-fed, butcher said it is mixed mostly)
Also had top quality sheep ribs the day before, so tasty but kinda hard to chew
i guess i need some stronger teeth
one left inner teeth down below has some decay (a sensitive hole, seems to be hurting more), i'll see if im gonna go to dentist or whatever (mercury filling is bad i heard..what should i do?)
-noticed improvement when introduced raw food
-decreased flaking
-decreased new patches of eczema appearing
-decreased itching in shower
-faster recovery of wounds
Problem remain unsolved
-dry skin
-itchiness of eczema area throughout body
-itchy scalp
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I have zero experience with winter.
Any fruit or vegetables or nuts or non animal you should be taking? That is local and in season?
Ginger as tea, ginger at the start of meat meals may increase digestive fire.
You got good news... Great start!
Are you enjoying?
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Canada really has minimal fruits and veggies
I'll keep buying at the farmers market to buy real food (in season and organic)
don't want to pay the price of eating preservatives after reading recently on their side-effects
at the same time i have test results before that says i am allergic to preservatives and chemicals
Already replaced detergent with Borex washing enhancement with Ivory Soup, if i find any more natural alternative i might switch..for now it works
There are several connections I am currently making now:
Thyroid level
leaky gut
parasites
Mal-functioning Liver and Kidney
Pollution
Mal-nutrition
Yeast/Candida Overgrowth
I find that i somehow fit many of these symptoms and might be why my eczema is still remaining even though im basically eating cooked/mixed with raw paleo
Also trying really hard to maintain enough calorie intake, hence i bought a big chunk of fatty meat with a higher price [$6-8/lb]
Mixing between cheap cuts and expensive cuts averages out my budget hopefully
23/11/2012 I also started both Humacleanse+humaworm
seeing some help in pooping but not magical i guess
Humaworm seems to give me a burning sensation near the bottom of my throat and lungs
I don't see big worms or anything either, but some weird strings looking stuff in my stool..maybe that is worms but just all wrapped inside
comparing to that, i find the coconut oil fast works better on my skin than this
Cheat meals: Chocolate cookies+golden oreo + some alcohol (one night)
2-3 Meals at conventional restaurant with Pho and Poutine (too hungry)
Really have to cut those out thou..im feeling it last night by increased amount of scratching in the middle of the night
To GS:
Do you know any good solution to thyroid problems? I'll get my thyroid checked soon
Am i doing the humaworm right? not really seeing much results (3 days in now)
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Updates
From Nov 27th up until now
my daily meals consists of the following most of the time
1. Ground beef lightly cooked with onions
2. Liver and Onions (lightly cooked)
3. Oven-cooked (slow) brisket (Some reason briskets are some tough i can't eat it raw..)
4. Bacon and eggs (pan-fried low)
Still going on the struggle between raw and cooked diet..but im in for the long haul
things i need to fix
1. source of meats
2. uping fat and raw intake
my thyroid check level came back
Thyroid (sensitive) : 1.01
Reference range 0.35-5.00
doc says im normal but why am i feeling like shit?
So im not really at optimal thyroid level? need some input on this
White coating on tongue is gradually convincing me that i have candida
Still going on with the parasite and colon cleanse
Eczema condition got worse after exam period (bunch of cheats..)
Cheats are horrible..must stay away from them..
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If you stuff yourself with enough raw paleo fat, you'll be too full to cheat.
Try raw root crops (singkamas, yakon) or raw squash.... let it ripen... raw squash is darn filling and tasty.
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What I find is that cravings can be pretty strong when switching from a SADiet to RPD.
Those microbes in the gut are craving junk food. The thing is that RPD eliminates so much - cooked food, complex carbs, food additives, etc.
What I think would be helpful is doing your best to stick to RPD, but if you're ever craving something so bad that you need junk food. Instead of going for junk food you could try a lightly cooked piece of grass fed beef. That would provide the full feeling in the gut, which is typically enough to fix a craving. Without providing tons of junk carbs and additives which just continues are cycle of having a craving, satisfying the craving with junk, then repeating the process.
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If you stuff yourself with enough raw paleo fat, you'll be too full to cheat.
Try raw root crops (singkamas, yakon) or raw squash.... let it ripen... raw squash is darn filling and tasty.
Eating massive amounts of fat might help too.
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Bad boy, being half canadian, I can tell you that there is wild food growing all around you, both plant and animal. Just because canada slacks on it's veggie growing doesn't mean there aren't abundant wild edibles everywhere. Get yourself a good book with clear, color photos, detailed descriptions, a range map and lists poisonous look alikes fore each species. With a little effort you could be getting your daily/weekly veggies with just a few hours of foraging. The only caveat to this would be if you were way up in the north, then your selection would be more limited, BUT still available none the less.
As far as animals go, learn to trap. No need to buy a license or anything, just learn how to set snares, then set a few in your closest forest, your equipment: A piece of very thin wire.
Only set 2 or 3, check them DAILY (it is pretty disgusting to trap and animal and then leave it there for dead) yes something else will eat it, but that something may choke and die off your wire. Also don't ever leave your wire out there, leave the forest cleaner than when you came.
With those two techniques you should be able to provide a healthy portion of your diet. Add to that, a visit to the closes farms where you see cattle out eating only grass with no feed bins (for corn, hay bins are great!) Then you go up to the farmer's door and say, hello, I'd like to buy your beef. Repeat until you have a steady supply of meat that you buy farm direct. Use the WAPF website to contact your area's chapter leader who can then hook you up with some local farms most likely.
I know this is all kind of new, but if you get creative, I promise you, there are nutrient dense, paleo foods growing all around you. The fact that everyone doesn't take advantage of them is their loss and your gain.
Just harvest sustainable. Good luck. I feel you on the eczema and asthma, my parents are killing my baby siblings because they are too ignorant to listen to sense (my stepmom's a vet, so uber-brainwashed, and my dad a sugar fiend). Just be glad that you have a chance to heal yours, unlike my sibs who are at the mercy of their family!
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If you stuff yourself with enough raw paleo fat, you'll be too full to cheat.
Try raw root crops (singkamas, yakon) or raw squash.... let it ripen... raw squash is darn filling and tasty.
Okay will definitely try buying those when farmer market comes back
What I find is that cravings can be pretty strong when switching from a SADiet to RPD.
Those microbes in the gut are craving junk food. The thing is that RPD eliminates so much - cooked food, complex carbs, food additives, etc.
What I think would be helpful is doing your best to stick to RPD, but if you're ever craving something so bad that you need junk food. Instead of going for junk food you could try a lightly cooked piece of grass fed beef. That would provide the full feeling in the gut, which is typically enough to fix a craving. Without providing tons of junk carbs and additives which just continues are cycle of having a craving, satisfying the craving with junk, then repeating the process.
Ya i definitely notice my cravings are very strong upon the moments of switching just cooked paleo, and VERY strong cravings when i try 1 day on complete raw paleo
As far as animals go, learn to trap.
I might consider that in the future but honestly now i've found my sources i rather let people do it for me as hunting takes too much time, thanks thou, appreciate it
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Slowly confirming that my problem stems from Candida, as to strong reaction on scalp when i apply coconut oil on it, and intaking coconut oil (2table spoons) for 3-4 days gave me immense cut on sweet cravings but also some die-off symptoms (i assume so )
Had a day of crazy diarrhea after eating the usual (cooked paleo) but took coconut oil in the morning
In the waste there's white cloud (read it from sites saying it's yeast), not sure but i feel weird after intaking coconut oil everytime, but the next day i'd feel that my wounds heal up faster and has less inflammation
my skin is still pretty dry but has decreased itching
now i've gotten my sources, im going to start from today on raw paleo diet
still trying to get my sources to provide more fat, maybe i'll try to buy fattier cuts
Just bought some kefir grain online too hopefully it'll be here soon and i can start making kefir as probiotics
Maybe high meat would be an option too
Instead of killing the yeast and detox, im thinking of taking the route of making more good bacteria in my gut instead to fight the yeast, thoughts? or should i just pull it through?
Cold hands and feet, and the feeling of low energy is still driving me nuts, hopefully after going FULL raw paleo it'll help
Let's fix this in 2013
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cold hands and feet.
try fermented ginger.
try red ginseng.
those helped me.
congratulations that vco works for you.
try a 3 day vco detox to be rid of yeast fast.
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try some omega three fish oils taken internally to help the skin retain moisture...drink plenty of liquids, water with sea weed, water with good quality bentonite clay(this will help flush candida), candida overgrowth takes a long time to balance out. do you take a probiotic? i recommend doseing up on garden of life brand primal defense probiotic. its expensive but if you buy it in the powdered form, instead of the capsules, you get a lot more probiotic for the price and its much easier to take large doseages.
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I'd second Jessica's suggestion.
When my brother was dying of psoriasis and shivering cold, it was 1/2 kilo of raw wild tuna that stopped his feeling of cold in 24 hours.
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Thanks very much for the advices
Currently waiting for my kefir to come in
My daily diet plan right now
Still taking humaworm + Colon Cleanse
Going to modify and add more fat into it , but for now supplementing with fish oil
Raw, preheat with oven if necessary (300 degree(F) for 5 minute)
(Eat until full)
Breakfast:
Humaworm
1lb of Groundbeef
Colon Cleanse
Lunch:
1lb of chateau briand steak (2 pieces)
Dinner:
Humaworm
3 eggyolks/Liver
Colon Cleanse
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Okay, here's my plan for this year
this thread would not be closed and it'd be updated daily up until the moment i have eczema fixed
if anything i can achieve in 2013, it'd be fixing and gaining my health back, everything else is secondary
im naturally a smart guy but this health issue is staggering me in every moment since i was little
no more half ass
I've started eating 75%-100% raw daily about a week ago (Jan 05)
Today
After a hard night of sleep (scratching a lot), woke up in the late afternoon with face of dried dead skin peeling off
Crazy weeping and itch in several places, and couple more after drinking some water kefir i made couple days ago
maybe i should try to make it more organic (in terms of sugar) and drink less? hmm
i used the recipe with molasses, white sugar, organic brown sugar, and some bananas, brew for 2 days
drank the whole 1.5 L (estimate)
gonna see how it helps my eczema for the next batch probably save it up and drink every day
Going to buy another bunch of meat tmr
Breakfast at 3pm
Raw Ground Beef mixed with Horseradish+sauerkraut (half a pound)
A slice of pizza
6pm
1.5 L of water kefir
7pm
Raw ground beef (half a pound)
3 carrots dipped in ceasar salad dressings
cooked beef liver (seared)
Colon cleanse pills from humaworm
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Hi badboy9311,
I have suffered eczema on face and legs mostly in my early 20s, very terrible to have. I researched a lot on this and followed all the advice I felt was right, which is one of the important reasons why I eat -zero- fruit or other sugar, except what occurs naturally in veggies, but I limit carrots because even those are too sweet to eat a lot of. Inulin fiber powder helps a lot, feeds the healthy bacteria that kills off bad bacteria in the body. Candida research will lead you in the right direction. Also, grains, bad; allergens bad. Cheese gives me acne and not much else, with regards to my skin, I avoid now that I'm doing raw paleo. What worked for me (a former sugar addict who is 100% abstinent... transition/cold-turkey). Cold turkey quit all candy, deserts and grains, to including so-called "healthy/organic" deserts. Transition using splenda on food (I even used it on eggs once when I was craving pan cakes). If you dislike synthetic sweeteners, use natural sugar free sweeteners like stevia.
Good luck
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breakfast:
coffee 1 cup
quick meal set (cold ham, cheese, some biscuit and grapes (ran out of food in fridge)
egg+bacon omelette for dinner
half a cup of water kefir
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thanks for the replies guys, working hard to do candida protocals for now
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Drinking COFFEE will keep poisoning your liver.
Coffee will not allow you to heal.
Coffee needs to be stopped.
(coffee enemas are a different matter altogether as a detox protocol)
quick meal set you know is not good for you. At least get rid of the biscuits at the minimum. No wheat.
what cooking oil did you use for your omelette? Were the eggs and the bacon organic?
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I'll stop the coffee then
bacon and egg was a temp. solution cuz i ran out of food, im back on track now
cooked it in bacon's own oil essentially, but i know i have to cut out the cooked food
btw, what do you think of this article?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2010/may/23/parasitic-hookworm-jasper-lawrence-tim-adams (http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2010/may/23/parasitic-hookworm-jasper-lawrence-tim-adams)
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Going to do the VCO detox for today, thursday and friday
started the fasting since this morning, let's see if this works out
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btw, what do you think of this article?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2010/may/23/parasitic-hookworm-jasper-lawrence-tim-adams (http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2010/may/23/parasitic-hookworm-jasper-lawrence-tim-adams)
He has a yahoo groups called Helminthic Therapy.
He used to post here in this forum.
Look around for his posts.
I think His experience is valid and his theories are valid. It is a case to case basis though. Not all parasites will be beneficial. Not all microbes will be beneficial. But when you do find what works for you, then you win.
I had my own tapeworm experience in 2010.
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So far i've done fasting since this morning, on coconut oil and no other carbs/food
I squeezed a lemon mixed with water and put like a tiny bit of table salt in it (didn't buy rock salt)
So far i've taken too little table spoons of coconut oil and i think i have to up it to 2tbps/ 2 hr
Reaction: Had a small bit of solid poop, then followed with little bit of slush diarrhea (they come in small pieces)
Weird part is i've always had this problem, when i put on coconut oil it gets irritable from time to time..
sometimes really strong, sometimes just a bit
Today i put on some coconut over my body and it was so irritable i scratched in the bathroom for a good solid hour..
am i allergic to it? but i've always been using it
I dunno if it's cuz my eczema itch is masking the fact that im allergic? or is it just cuz yeast is reacting? or is it cuz i have so many wounds?
Today after eating coconut oil my skin won't itch thou, but somehow putting it on just irritates my skin
does that happen to you guys?
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Don't put it on if it irritates you.
If you are doing a vco detox, just do the vco detox.
Have someone be with you especially on the 2nd or 3rd day in case you get too weak.
Conserve your energy.
If it is unbearable, you can always break the fast.
I had those jets of white things coming out of me too, maybe they were candida / yeast.
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what should i use to moisture my skin then?
my skin is very dry iin the winter right now
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moisturizing is different strokes for different folks.
some people respond well to ghee
some people respond well to papaya based lotions (my brother)
you can try aajonus vonderplanitz moisturizing formula see his book at www.wewant2live.com (http://www.wewant2live.com)
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my skin is very dry iin the winter right now
Probably because of a low air humidity in your home due to central heating. Getting an air humidifier will reduce the dryness of the skin.
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crazy reaction after 1 day of not eating, sleepingwas nuts, sweating and scratching (unconsciously cuz too tired)
woke up with pain in wounds, although areas seems to be healing up it's painful as hell
probably have to look for alternatives to moisture skin now that coconut oil itches me..
Going to stop this VCO detox first, because i have a bus trip tmr and can't afford to be weak
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What should i do next..other than eating raw paleo? Im so lost..I want to be cured asap and never have eczema again
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drink more water(be sure that you are eating enough minerals salts at the same time) take a high omega/cod liver oil suppliment. eat a shit ton of saturated fats, this will help to grease up your skin from the inside out, its amazing. do you get adequate vitamins and minerals from your diet? do you get adequate vitamin a and keratinoids? vitamin d? do you digest things well, take a pancreatic enzyme if not. take a probiotic. what kind of soap and laundry detergent do you use? how often do you bathe? moisturizers are something you definitely have to experiment with yourself, but the ultimate goal is to have such a quality diet that your skin is able to remain moisturized itself.
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what is it commercially called, just mineral salt? i'll try to look for them..
going to order the blue ice fermented cod liver oil, but should i order it with butter oil together?
What's the logic behind saturated fat and mineral salt? Where did you read/ know that from? ( I can't seem to find a detailed enough (backed by studies or science) site, that explains to me why it works, but merely sites that says success stories and how they did it..)
I dunno about vitamin and minerals, cuz im trying to cut out carbs so im eating marrow bones, ground beef, and some liver (maybe i'll order more soon)...where do you guys get your vitamins..?
I use Ivory soup (grinded) with this detergent booster (brand: borex)http://frugalliving.about.com/od/cleaningtipsandrecipes/qt/Borax_Laundry.htm
i haven't bathed for at least 3-4 days cuz it's killing my skin..
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Get the best raw fat.
Raw duck eggs, raw beef bone marrow, raw grass fed butter, raw fermented cod liver oil,
Also raw fish sashimi, raw beef / lamb / horse / buffalo whatever you've got.
If you need salt, go get himalayan salt or real salt, though blood and salty water from oysters or clams would work too.
And you seem to be too stressed or uptight or impatient... you need to calm down and enjoy life, catch some sun, slow down a bit... take a beach vacation or up in the mountains.
Oh yeah, it must be winter where you live, and I don't know anything about winter.
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I never understand one thing...WHY is raw fat healing..?
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I never understand one thing...WHY is raw fat healing..?
Raw fat cleanses the liver, lubricates, nourishes, hydrates, helps extinguish inflammations, gives warmth, helps absorbs nutrients from other foods.
Why is raw fat healing? By experience it just is.
When my brother was dying of psoriasis and deathly cold in tropical weather... all he needed was 1/2 kilo of raw tuna.
When my 5 year old daughter had tooth decay tooth pain, 2 days of fatty raw carnivorous diet stopped her tooth pain and inflammation... faster and better than the dentist recommended 3 days of antibiotics.
Aajonus Vonderplanitz had something to say about raw fat.
I think raw fat is that big missing food item from most modern people's diet. They go on and on about fish oil supplements when they can just eat the real thing from raw fat.
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mine is also from personal experience. i have lived most of my life in the high altitude desert, some of the driest, harsh and extreme weather in the states. i grew up with horribly dry skin, scaly legs, feeling it so tight after a shower i thought it might rip, split fingers in the cold, weird hand rashes from intense cold and sun at the same time, etc, etc, etc. finally after a few years of cleaning up and simplifying my diet, removing every allergen, taking care to not place any environmentally stress(ie weird lotion, soaps, even hot water) on my skin, getting enough water and trace minerals(sodium, potassium, cal/mag) vitamin a and d my skin is amazing. i dont have to use mosturizer after a shower, i shower twice weekly and my skin isnt ashy or scaly, its soft, smooth, tight and clean. i use a body brush in lieu of soap and only take warm showers. you will have to really feed your skin and body first, and start experimenting with natural moiturizers, jojoba oil is a great one for most people, look into oil cleaning too, you might have skin so irritated that its best to wash it this way. like gs said, the solution will not be instant, its a lot of personal experimenting and takes an investment of time and patience...
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Just bought 2 bottles of blue ice CLO (1 for my girl)
wondering if i should buy butter oil, heard it's good for you from weston price
What're your thoughts on butter oil with CLO jessica??
Thanks for your replies guys, it gives me tremendous strength..
I'll be going on a bus trip later today
On the trip probably going to be eating cooked paleo, hopefully can buy some good stuff and eat raw
maybe i'll supplement with some fatty fruits like avocado too (lower the cooked food ratio)
Today:
1 small bone marrow, half a pound of ground beef
Night: cooked the last broccoli and some raw beef liver
(bad idea about eating the broccoli prior and not waiting to eat the beef liver, felt the stress in my digestion)
Symptoms seems to be fluctuating lately, lots of new wounds, despite they heal up fast
painful and stressful too..but hopefully i'll pull it through
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Hopefully you can get something better than ground beef.
I don't trust ground beef especially if it is pre-ground.
Who knows what part is that.
Who knows how many steers are in that.
Who knows how clean the machine was.
How old was the meat?
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Hopefully you can get something better than ground beef.
I don't trust ground beef especially if it is pre-ground.
Who knows what part is that.
Who knows how many steers are in that.
Who knows how clean the machine was.
How old was the meat?
Not sure how old it was but probably pretty fresh judging from the smell (it was fresh when i first got the package this time)
but i still have to put up with the fact that all my meats come in bulk, which means they have to be frozen and defroze before eating them..the best i can do in a student life
These few days i've been eating the following
bacon and egg omelet
salmon with egg cooked
ribs baked with honey garlic (very bad, i know..cuz the honey garlic was very processed)
a turkey club i had to eat before i get on the bus (too hungry)
snacking on frozen blue berries a lot (after they defroze)
starting to feel a GREAT difference between how i feel in terms of digestion between raw meat and cooked meat..
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It seems like you know what is good and what is bad for you. Yet you continue to do things that are bad for you, eg. cook things, use processed "honey garlic", use table salt because you can't be arsed to get rock salt etc. All these things are going to slow down or possibly stop the healing process. From my personal experience, I needed to be on a very strict diet with no cheating, because as soon as I consumed something bad, be it a glass of wine, a grainfed or cooked steak, table salt etc or if I smoked a single cigarette (was very difficult to quit to start with), then the next day I would be back at square one (having strachted myself to pieces all night) and I'd have to start the healing process all over again.
So my advice is to cut out all the crap that you know is doing you no good, so that the healing process can speed up dramatically. It's up to you.
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ya i do admit that
it's time for me to go cold turkey into RPD instead of this
1. planning to keep myself warm by making beef stock (only cooked meal)
2. going to get a cool mist moisturizer
3. detox protocol
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or if I smoked a single cigarette (was very difficult to quit to start with),
Sorry, OT. But could you go a little more into detail on how RPD helped you quit smoking? I have a friend who is considering RPD for HPV, he also smokes cigarettes. And I was wondering how RPD helped you quit. Thanks.
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Sorry, OT. But could you go a little more into detail on how RPD helped you quit smoking? I have a friend who is considering RPD for HPV, he also smokes cigarettes. And I was wondering how RPD helped you quit. Thanks.
To be honest it wasn't really RPD that helped me quit smoking. It was eczema that helped me quit. Eczema is the only reason I started eating raw paleo too. I was extremely desperate at the time to cure my eczema, because it was almost impossible to live with. If i never got eczema I would still be smoking, drinking, taking recreational drugs and eating shit today. In that sense, I am very glad that I got eczema.
Having said that, I think RPD could help one quit smoking if that means no longer drinking coffee or alcohol. I found that after drinking coffee or alcohol I really craved a sigarette.
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since the day i did my coconut oil fast, cravings towards cooked food + snacks dramatically decreased
it's like "i can have it...but...i don't really crave it that much"
craving raw fish today, bought some frozen wild caught salmon + fresh tuna + fresh swordfish
too bad that im far from the bay area so i bought it from the supermarket, but whatever i can get i guess, i was craving it today
all wild caught too
Smoking never really gave me any good feeling, in fact i tried 1 single puff of cigarette last year and i feel like it tasted like old shoes..gross..glad it didn't stick with me
i honestly feel like this could be the best way to introduce my family + friends to raw food/meat..as sashimi /tartar is one of those expensive dishes in japanese cuisin
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sashimi /tartar is one of those expensive dishes in japanese cuisin
I've noticed that all the sushi places I've been to in the U.S. when I've ordered sashimi I probably get less than 4 oz of meat and they charge like $25-$30 typically. Rip off.....
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Staying within the raw food lately, it's hard but it's worth it
Yesterday bought a bunch fish and took them
Back from grocery run:
1/4 kilo of Raw tuna
Several pears and apples (a little bit too much but i was craving it)
Raw roast beef with small strip of fat
1/2 kilo of swordfish
Some water kefir (small cup)
for some reason had this huge craving of eating at night, so i finished all the fruits (like 2 apples and 2 pears in a go), then beef then swordfish..
drank some water kefir as well
at night had a massive diarrhea and also in the middle of the night as well..
don't know if this is a detox reaction or just me simply eating too much and not letting my digestion rest, i think it's the latter
Today so far:
Wednesday is my busy day so i have to stay out all day, bought some grapes and pears to feed me
cheated with a gluten-free brownie and 75% dark chocolate..god that sugar rush is so much stronger than fruits and the let down is even crazier..fell asleep right away in class after the brownie..
okay, gotta cut that out!
Good side:
1. Very good sleep last night, felt like i was sleeping forever despite i only slept for 6-7 hours
woke up kind of tired today thou
2. Didn't itch much last night but just minor scratches on arms, also the skin seems to be less inflammation going on
wounds are recovering
3. Had the urge to shower this morning but resist by walking out of the bathroom and returning to normal schedule..showering seems to be an addiction for me because im cold all the time and seeking ways to be warm.
Supplements:
started supplementing with FCLO since monday, 2mL per day
effects: seems to make me more calm towards my eczema condition, and somehow i'm more relaxed today almost towards everything, but possible placebo effect? going to continue it
Im also wondering if i should continue water kefir for probiotics...thoughts?
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Im also wondering if i should continue water kefir for probiotics...thoughts?
Water kefir seems kind of sketchy based on how you describe making it.
I remember reading somewhere that you put sugar, and various other things that you wouldn't normally eat on a raw diet to feed the kefir.
I'd go for more natural ferments. Sauerkraut, pickles, fermented honey, high meat, etc.
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you probably got that diarrhea because you ate fructose+fiber and a bunch of probiotics, so basically you were feeding all of the bacteria in your belly.
if you are cold all the time stop eating fruits and start eating more fats
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if you are cold all the time stop eating fruits and start eating more fats
Agree. Agree.
And it must be winter where you are.
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This weekend has been nothing but stress..family matters and stuff stresses me out the most..had some slip up of alcohol and cooked meal(sushi) and cheats..
Well..slipped I did..gotta fix it
Fish. Oiland. Fatty fish has been working well..going to keep a portion of fish and add more fat in my calorie
As long as I don't shower my skin. Seems fine and not too itchy
Had some diarrhea today after eating raw eggsmaybe. Cuz they're not so fresh anymore
Now I got my food sources figured out..next step is detox...let's do this
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The only day I am getting really frustrated is my Wednesdays..the whole day consists of classes from morning to night..
Solutions to this:
eat fruits for the whole day (didn't feel good thou)..bloated and stuff..
Eat some cooked meat (ham)
Eat cooked brown rice terriyaki...
Fast the whole day till night
Ideally i would like to have one morning meal and just one night meal..but it's too little...i starve like crazy in the afternoon..
Good thing is:
1. Fish is working like a charm on me, possibly added benefits of the fish oil as well
Skin is recovering in speed light comparing to before
2. Need to up beef intake as well..and fat too to work it better with the vitamin D in fish oil
3. I have the money now to buy butter oil, will do that as well.
GS, i know you suggest Detox..?which one is the critical hit..? or do you just try each until you find the one that works the best?
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You could take a lunch box with some mini mason jars and an ice pack. I do that some times.
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All the detoxes work. They all work.
Do it in the other I wrote them with:
1. colon
2. kidney
3. liver
Has to be in that order. Colon cleanse always first.
Daboss is right in you should bring meat to school.
When my son was recovering from illness we packed him raw paleo meats to school.
We packed him ceviche of fish.
I myself bring raw meat and raw eggs when I go on trips.
Or at times I load up and eat raw meat, a lot of it in the morning so the rest of the day I'm not hungry.
At a hotel dinner affair I brought raw meat in cubes and when the lights went out I ate my stuff.
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I myself bring raw meat and raw eggs when I go on trips.
Or at times I load up and eat raw meat, a lot of it in the morning so the rest of the day I'm not hungry.
At a hotel dinner affair I brought raw meat in cubes and when the lights went out I ate my stuff.
I also try not to advertise it. If someone notices, I'll say it's "beef" or "lamb." I don't say raw. If they notice it's raw and pursue it further, I'll explain about raw paleo and weston price.
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reverted a little bit back to cooked paleo these couple days, and also running out of meat soon
need to order today to avoid eating crap for the next couple days
this is what i order usually, but this time i'll kick out the groundbeef (as i don't find them really good tasting..they just taste like shit in general..unless it's good ground beef/lamb (which i got before and tasted awesome)
Marrow bones, kidney, liver, roast beef (with extra fat trimmings wrapped around
what else should i get to get more taste, nutrients and stuff?
what about minerals..? can i get them from grassfed beef or better from seafood? I don't live along the coast so seafood that comes along are usually of bad quality, or really expensive
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If you can get variety I think it would be better. Buffalo, lamb, and goat are good options that you can some times find for a good price. Salmon would be good too.
It's not essential to have variety.. I think I heard of a tribe in Africa eating raw beef, blood, and milk and not much else.
But if you can get variety. It's better to switch it up.
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I like variety. That is where instincts kick in.
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So Far, how my diet looks like
Going to order the meat perhaps later in the week cuz just bought a bunch of seafood and its filling up the freezer
For some reason wild caught squid rings didn't taste good (from peru, frozen)
wild caught thou, dunno why it tastes like kinda plain
So far the following week will look something like this:
1lb of wild caught salmon
some grass fed beef fat
some bone marrow
wild berries + banana as treat
Supplement with fish oil
Getting more fat if i can on the next meat order, gotta clear out some seafood first
Going to buy some colon cleanse from local health store, starting with that first i guess, see if i can find a good one..recommendations? what brand works well? im in canada
Low energy, cold hands and feet still with me, low motivation too cuz of this
Skin is progressing well on seafood diet thou, possibly need more fat to sustain my energy output..
Any solutions to this..? How do you make fermented ginger..?
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I usually choose squid with eggs... yummy fat.
I will usually dip squid in vinegar and some bits of garlic... to cleanse and add flavor.
I would look in to the salt thing and lately I use bagoong... raw fermented / high fish and it is salted. It's a filipino tradition. Bagoong dilis and bagoong padas. Add it to your raw meats to whet your appetite and increase eating, it may be healing, just try. Bagoong is cheap. Do not get bagoong tiny shrimp... it may not be clean.
Bagoong Dilis. Ocean wild. My neighbor is the manufacturer of this. Delicious.
http://janasgrocery.smugmug.com/keyword/pangasinan%20bagoong%20dilis# (http://janasgrocery.smugmug.com/keyword/pangasinan%20bagoong%20dilis#)!i=643069883&k=7zdnCKk
Bagoong Padas. Ocean wild. Delicious.
http://www.philamfood.com/BUENAS-SALTED-ZIGANID-FISH-BAGOONG-PADAS-12OZ.html (http://www.philamfood.com/BUENAS-SALTED-ZIGANID-FISH-BAGOONG-PADAS-12OZ.html)
You can eat turmeric as is, just peal them. I have a friend who eats them like candy.
My wife eats raw yellow ginger as is.
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What's the cause of low energy and how do I fix it..? Or is it just a hit and miss..? I still don't understand why I'm feeling so tired and with cold hands and feet
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Is it winter in your country?
You may need heat. Get heat.
You may need high carb starch and high fat at the same time.
Maybe you lack salt.
Maybe you need sun, vitamin d.
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It is winter here but my friends and family allhave warm hands and feet even in winter(going from outdoor to indoor) and warms up fairly fast while mine takes long time, and even just a bit exposure to cold air gives my hands chills
I guess I stillhave to up mydietary fat
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I do have heat but I feel like it's not enough cuz I'm living in the basement perhaps
Will be better once it turns into spring here
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It is winter here but my friends and family allhave warm hands and feet even in winter(going from outdoor to indoor) and warms up fairly fast while mine takes long time, and even just a bit exposure to cold air gives my hands chills
I guess I stillhave to up mydietary fat
Fatty fish are the most important food for staying warm.
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How about cheating with top quality alcohol?
In my country we have "lambanog"... coconut vodka, 80-90 proof.
Makes my hands and feet warm.
(alcohol may be bad for you... it may be good for you too... it depends.)
180 degree health may have something for you on the warmth department. High fat and high carb and everything high is his thing. How about exercise and other activities you do? How about hot baths? Hot water bottles to get you started? How about a fireplace? turn up your thermostat? steam baths?
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I've finally come to a point where I can eat all day raw without cheating
all thanks to i've started this habit of maintaining a daily food diary that i've been recording what i ate
cheated today with some wings but i guess this needs to be addressed
EVEN SOCIAL SITUATION, diet is a diet, must follow the rules
It's tough though, food bill definitely goes up, and not everything is so easily accessible when I go to places
Skin's getting smoother and less new eruptions under Raw paleo diet for sure, even if I ate farmed salmon for the last 2 days
Not my best intention to eat farmed fish so i balance it out with some wild fish, but just to get filled i need that fatty fish till my meat comes tomorrow
Still wondering though, what is damaged inside?
What part of my body is not working well so I'm getting this eczema?
Lately, the symptoms has been
Dry Skin, Cold hands and feet, Eczema, Fatigue
Sweet Cravings (Solve with some frozen berries (cheaper)), Sweet Fruits Addiction (Don't know if that's the body telling me i need it or not),
Extreme Lower back pain (tight back muscle, despite same daily routine (fix posture? sitting habit?)
Been at home for a day yesterday and hasn't seen the sun today, so my mood was really low
At the same time this slow progress has made me more determined, all or nothing, i can't go back to having eczema, don't want to either
However, slow progress is progress, here are some of the stuff benefited me the most:
1. Fatty Fish, Raw
2. Blue ICe Green Pasture Fish Oil
the worst part is fish don't come by easy and is expensive, so I cannot rely on them, here it's grassfed beef for the staple food then
Habit I must fix:
1. Using social situation as excuse to cheat on diet
2. Empty windows of hunger leading to snacking /cheating
3. Sleeping schedule all over the place due to holiday
Some questions:
Can you guys direct me to some more credible sources to understand more about eczema/dieting/health?
and also
Is there a possibility i can come to a point of full recovery where I can cheat (not that I want to but for travel needs)?
Lastly For GS: Im in canada so i can't get barefoot herbalist, so I got humaworm colon cleanse but it doesn't seem so effective...what should I expect from Colon Cleanse? any suggestion on what to get for a colon detox (herb/food?)
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I get barefoot herbalist products.
My wife orders his herbals.
Sends it to her brother who lives in California.
When the big box is full of other orders of other siblings, he sends them to Manila.
So if I can get barefoot products all the way to the Philippines, you can get it from across the border Canada.
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Van, a long term raw paleo dieter suggested:
"I've been using an inland sea mineral product from utah, but have just recently found what I think may be the best sea mineral supplement period, in liquid ionic form/low sodiom,, called Blue Ocean Minerals. Check it out. It has the ideal mg./ca. ratio too, something that most other sea min products can't match."
I've seen the videos and website, sounds logical and might work for you.
I want to get some for myself. I've been doing mineral supplementation exploration lately.
Healing takes time. You are seeing consistent improvements and that should make you immensely happy. Be patient and listen to your body. We are lucky to be living in the age of too much internet. You have all the knowledge at your fingertips.
There is this concept of regenerating our tissues, our muscles our organs. And with consistent new habits, new inputs, when the new organs are up and running, your entire being will be different. The way you think, the way you feel, everything.
There are and will be some stuff detoxed over the years, just welcome them. There may be mistakes committed, but you will catch and correct those mistakes as you realize them.
I'm always inspired by Luke's story. I think his story is a template for this new generation of soon to be healed people like you. The information is all there. You constantly juggle it and piece together your strategy and then act on it with what you can.
You are doing it. :)
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Recently I've had more breakthrough mentally, in a sense that I've come to accept the new way of eating, instead of thinking that it's weird/uncivilized
Or i should say, Im finally at peace with my current state of being, by meditating when Im walking back and forth from school
Started another VCO detox today, it made me really sleep all of a sudden so I went to bed shortly after 2 table spoons of it at 6:00pm
Woke up near 12:00am and took another 2 table spoons
Drinking lemon juice+spring water+Sea salt (the best I can find recently)
Lets see what this is going to do to me
Update:
Just ordered 2 bottles of Butter Oil and 1 bottle of Fermented Cod Liver Oil from (By Green Pasture)
Beneficial Food list for Eczema:
Raw Bone Marrow (Speed up recovery of wound, Fills stomach, Better Moist on skin)
Raw Fatty Fish
Raw Fatty Fish/ Raw Bone marrow, IN COMBINATION with FCLO = Smoother and Healthier skin
My skin condition has improved around I'd say 70% from the time I took photos back in Nov 2012
Been lazy about the photos, but going to take more soon
What are your thoughts about Green Pasture Combination of FCLO and Butter Oil? Let me know!
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Realized crucial fact is:
I think i've recovered, then I slip on my diet, then Im back to phase 1
keeping a journal, is then a way to keep myself accountable
Been struggling about this crucial part: How much carbs should I eat, and from WHAT source?
Im cold, ate fatty fish, still cold
made bone broth, still cold..
Im just cold in general and I don't understand, still trying to figure it out
Suspecting my thyroid is also having problem, Im easily tired and It is killing my motivation to stick with the diet
I mean, do you guys feel and UP of energy level? my energy level is horrible
I do agree to a forum post made by Iguana, that it is often problematic to just look at symptoms and not look at the entire underlying cause, re metaphor of trying to fix a car by just looking at parts but not the whole car.
Started reading Instincto Eating lately and it is quite simple, yet I find it quite difficult to implement where many sources of food is pretty much modified more or less. I guess you can only do so much given limitations of geographic area.
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Most carbs other than raw fermented honey, wild Maine blueberries and yogurt tend to make me feel cold and tired, presumably due to something screwed up in my system (such as gut dysbiosis and/or metabolic dysfunction). Animal fats warm and energize me, but if I never eat carbs, then that also seems to eventually cause me to become cold. So eating plenty of fats and intermittently eating carbs seems to maximize warmth for me.
Another major thing that has helped my cold tolerance is following cold therapy tips from Wim Hoff and Todd Becker (such as taking gradually colder showers).
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Been struggling about this crucial part: How much carbs should I eat, and from WHAT source?
Im cold, ate fatty fish, still cold
made bone broth, still cold..
Im just cold in general and I don't understand, still trying to figure it out
Suspecting my thyroid is also having problem, Im easily tired and It is killing my motivation to stick with the diet
I mean, do you guys feel and UP of energy level? my energy level is horrible
How often are you eating? For some people, eating every 3 or 4 hours is necessary, to keep energy levels up.
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Suspecting my thyroid is also having problem, Im easily tired and It is killing my motivation to stick with the diet
I mean, do you guys feel and UP of energy level? my energy level is horrible
If I were a lifelong RPD eater, I probably wouldn't have to address long-term health problems. As I am older with a few serious problems, a good naturopathic doctor and a few hundred dollars worth of blood and urine tests gave me some clues as to what treatments to pursue in addition to eating a proper human diet (RPD).
By all means, go find out what's wrong. My advice is to eat RPD and see how well everything else works. In the words of my doctor, "90% of my job is to get people to stop eating toxic food so that my treatments work."
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Are you eating enough fat? It seems most people who have trouble sticking to Rpd don't eat enough fat. What are your fat sources? Look for stuff like beef fat, and suet to add to all your meals. Also go sure fattier cuts of meat. Eggs. Fatty fish. Brain.
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When cold, I take a cue from 180 degree health and go high everything.
I have to admit I have no experience with winter or spring weather.
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Most carbs other than raw fermented honey, wild Maine blueberries and yogurt tend to make me feel cold and tired, presumably due to something screwed up in my system (such as gut dysbiosis and/or metabolic dysfunction). Animal fats warm and energize me, but if I never eat carbs, then that also seems to eventually cause me to become cold. So eating plenty of fats and intermittently eating carbs seems to maximize warmth for me.
Another major thing that has helped my cold tolerance is following cold therapy tips from Wim Hoff and Todd Becker (such as taking gradually colder showers).
I don't quite understand the blame on carbs..Im getting conflicting opinion from the forum...some say carbs causes their problems whereas contrast some say you should keep carbs in (for example: Perfect Health Diet (book), and 180degree health), or even high carbs, what is this madness?
Im getting my fats from bone marrow, the best I can get possibly..How much is enough? I tried to eat more today to get myself fuller but it just doesnt make myself feel full, so i had to eat some liver..Im eating a small bowl of bone marrow fat already (around 5-6 table spoon)
I just notice as well, i really dont quite enjoy organ meats..as much as muscle meat..like sashimi can make me eat all day but liver to me feels on a different level..like it just blows man, i can eat sashimi or raw beef roast all day but liver tastes weird to me and kiddney or heart that i tried before just tasted straight up gross
Im getting there, in the long haul now, getting real impatient to recovery rate though
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Itchy Skin and Eczema (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJPFIqeDtm4#ws)
Recently found this video..Thoughts? Problem with what he's saying?
I find problem with the part he said about parasites, but I can't find enough evidence busting the parasite claims (hygiene hypothesis)
And can someone explain what deficiency he's talking about? I can't quite understand from what Im hearing ..
(ATL? HCL?)
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HCl - hydrochloric acid - is stomach acid.
He explained what eczema is, that there were several possible stressors that cause eczema. He said to consult with a health practitioner. What's to disagree with?
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Quote from: PaleoPhil on Yesterday at 05:41:42 PM
Most carbs other than raw fermented honey, wild Maine blueberries and yogurt tend to make me feel cold and tired, presumably due to something screwed up in my system (such as gut dysbiosis and/or metabolic dysfunction). Animal fats warm and energize me, but if I never eat carbs, then that also seems to eventually cause me to become cold. So eating plenty of fats and intermittently eating carbs seems to maximize warmth for me.
Another major thing that has helped my cold tolerance is following cold therapy tips from Wim Hoff and Todd Becker (such as taking gradually colder showers).
I don't quite understand the blame on carbs..Im getting conflicting opinion from the forum...some say carbs causes their problems whereas contrast some say you should keep carbs in (for example: Perfect Health Diet (book), and 180degree health), or even high carbs, what is this madness?
I don't know what you're referring to re: blaming carbs. I didn't read the whole thread, and I only read a small fraction of the threads, so maybe I missed something here or in another thread. I just shared my experience, FWIW, and blamed my own body rather than carbs. As I said, I do eat some carbs, and I hope some day that I will be able to improve my carb tolerance further with probiotics or other therapies. I experimented with quite a few carby foods to see which ones I can currently handle best. I've seen plenty of folks report thriving on moderate to high carb intakes, I'm just not currently one of them, though I seem to be tolerating them somewhat better than in the past, especially when I stick to my best-tolerated carby foods. I enjoy Paul Jaminet's Perfect Health Diet blog quite a bit and he recommends low carb (20-30% of calories) and eats low carb himself, despite giving the OK to "safe starches" for most folks.
That video is pretty good and in line with what I wrote above and my experience and raw Paleo in general (he could have covered the differences between eczema and psoriasis and my understanding is that symptoms on the outside of the elbows are actually much more common with psoriasis than eczema--including for a friend of mine who had psoriasis--but that's a minor point). He mentioned gut dysbiosis, which I mentioned above. He also mentioned nutrient deficiency, leaky gut, malabsorption, fungal overgrowth, toxic processed foods, food intolerances, and healthy saturated fats, which all fit in nicely with raw Paleo and have been discussed at this forum before. He sounded a bit down on parasites and I didn't notice him mention symbiotic or commensal parasites, which are a feature in the hygiene hypothesis you mentioned, which is also known as the old friends hypothesis and which I think is quite important, and eczema is one of the diseases which have been specifically linked to lack of "old friends" (Is Cleanliness to Blame for Increasing Allergies? http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/04/100413160901.htm (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/04/100413160901.htm)).
As eveheart explained, HCL is hydrochloric acid. If your body isn't producing enough HCL, it reduces your ability to digest foods and thereby your ability to absorb nutrients. You mentioned digestive stress, so it's at least a possible factor. I didn't notice any benefit from an HCL supplement myself, but I do at times consume some acidic foods at the start of meals, such as lemon juice squeezed into water or raw sauerkraut, and these foods are more enjoyable than the supplements. I think some folks at this forum did report benefit from HCL supplements.
On a related note, Todd Becker has an interesting contrarian view on supplements: http://gettingstronger.org/2012/11/why-i-dont-take-vitamin-d-supplements/ (http://gettingstronger.org/2012/11/why-i-dont-take-vitamin-d-supplements/)
Im getting my fats from bone marrow, the best I can get possibly..How much is enough?
What other animal fat sources are you eating? I eat as much as I want and I use the bones for broth (and it's possible to make raw broth). The right amount for you depends on your individual body. No one can determine that except you through experience.
I don't enjoy organ meats but eat the ones I find most tolerable anyway, as they're healthy and I hope I'll acquire a taste for them. There are also many ways to eat them without having to taste them, or to make them taste better, and you can find plenty of tips on that online. I found that patience helps, and if something super beneficial really turns me off then I either go slow or put it aside for another day and focus on something I can handle now.
One of the good points re: coldness that Matt Stone and Danny Roddy have made is that not eating enough calories can cause coldness.
Cold therapy (see Wim Hof, Todd Becker, etc.) has worked well for me. I used to have chronically cold hands (and people would remark about them if I shook their hand or touched them), whereas now I routinely melt snowballs and ice cubes in my hands and have only worn gloves two or three times in the last 3 years or so. If the weather gets into the minuses, then I tend to put my hands in my pockets after walking for about a half mile or so, but still don't need gloves if I'm not using my hands.
YMMV, find what works for you.
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I think it would be difficult to get all your animal fats from bone marrow.
I get half my calories from fat. 1/3 from protein and 1/6 from carbs. I eat 1.5 oz of raw beef far with each meal regardless of what kind of near I'm eating. The above calorie is an estimate before my snacks. My main meals are 8 oz of a meat, 1.5 oz of beef fat, and a fruit an hour before the meal. Fire snacks I'll have eggs, marrow bones, some times a fruit.
I eat a 2000 calorie diet.
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Exam time was so stressful that my sleeping schedule totally went off
im still adjusting right now but im over with stress
Stress from school and social occasions (self-image problem from eczema) is leading to procrastination and cheating in diet..
No more, what people think doesn't give me health and recovery
You are right, eve, the first thing i really need to do is follow a STRICT 100% raw paleo diet first
I just find it hard to be consistent and deal with social situations. I guess eating out wouldn't be an option for me much (i know how one can try to eat raw, i do, but many of my friends eat trash)
I think so far i have 3 major cravings
1. sugar (snacks and candies) <--replacing with in season fruits (watermelon, coconut)
2. salt (instant noodles..yes..horrible) <--a sign that i need organ meat? i don't taste salt from muscle meat much
3. alcohol (relaxing effect) <--replacing this with meditation, and fun activities like longboarding
I think you guys are right, Im spending too much time thinking about symptoms and cleanses and detoxes
Not following a strict diet is the downfall of me
I've always had problem in terms of following through with something, I really want to get this handled though..I can do this though, I've done it before
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Current Menu:
Bone Marrow (beef)
Veal Shanks
Beef Liver
Water Melon
Apples
Pineapples
Occasional fish
Growth Hormone boost activity:
Weightlifting/Exercising (gives me huge boost in growth hormone and recovery rate)
Sunbathing also seems to help
Sun is finally out and weather is good here
Gives me more motivation to finish school here and get out of here, maybe move to some tropical area..I really can't take winter any longer, it just sucks
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That diet looks OK. If you are having trouble with cravings, eat more raw fat, and eat it early in the day. Keep your carb consumption mainly to your evening meal. No carbs at breakfast, minimal protein at breakfast. A little carb and moderate protein at lunch, and a regular meal in the evening.
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try some seaweed if you are looking for a good source of minerals.
maine coast is a great brand, their dulse and kelp are very high quality
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try some seaweed if you are looking for a good source of minerals.
maine coast is a great brand, their dulse and kelp are very high quality
The dulse is much easier to digest than the kelp. I definitely enjoy the dulse from time to time.
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Thanks for the replies, I'll look into seaweed when I get back to HK in the next week
Now Im still in canada and in a small town where everything is quite limited
Quite fortunately here the farmer's market is pretty impressive (well in terms of veg and fruits, small amounts of meat) and close to where I live
Did a Egg Yolk Liver Flush recommended by GS yesterday and felt a little too much nausea, but did clear my nose for a bit, flu like symptoms upon waking up this morning though, slight asthma-like reaction (blocked airways, mucus)
Didnt observe much stones, might've pooped it out but didn't see it, or just didn't get much out
Had a lot of "misty" gunk and mucus pooped out though, don't know what that suggests
Going to rest for a day and do it again tomorrow
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I was not believing, but this is true..Liver Flush with Egg Yolk yields success for me
It is obvious how much less bumps and itch i get, also how I won't scratch my wounds anymore since I started doing liver flush (twice only, because I feel nausea on them)
Wounds are finally recovering, Im happy about this finding and progress
Going to keep up with the diet though, I am having fairly poor digestion since exam period and colon is not working as properly
Should have taken some before pictures.
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Why not take some photos now, so you can show any additional progress you make?
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True, I should take some now. Going to dig up my camera then.
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He he he, sometimes we don't know how fast healing can take place once we reach that tipping point.
Great going!
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Im in full force this summer to cure eczema and learn how to be healthy
Im going to start taking control of my health and ignore my parents' opinion and socialization
The more I realize how much it affects my happiness in life the more motivation I have to get healthy
Going to look around and try to get accustomed to the market and shopping habit here in HK
And I realize Im quite easily constipated. What are some food/cleanses that can benefit me?
I've read your posts about Colon Cleanse I'll try to find those that you've mentioned here.
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Easily constipated? Maybe...
- Not enough fat
- Not enough hydration
- Lack of magnesium in diet
- Not enough volume / bulk say hydrating fruits in season.
- Toilet seating position
- Worn out colon muscles? (if this is the case, taking Barefoot Herbalist MH LBB capsules for 60 days will make your colon a champion).
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Current Diet Update:
Slipped a little bit due to social situation with my parents (It's important to bond over meal time here in Hong Kong, because everyone is so busy that there isn't much anything else that we do to bond), but I can't give in anymore so I started eating alone now
Parents are not understanding my diet, but they've given in ( a big step up)
But It'll take my full recovery to convince them that Im onto something.
Weird thing is these couple days my arms are recovering nicely but my body started having weeping eczema all over. It is crazy how itchy it is. I don't know why this is happening. Too fast of a detox? or maybe it's just finding it's own way out?
Maybe it is true that once you started eating a better diet, even slip ups would have a stronger reaction.
Current goal:
1. Sticking to an all raw, paleo diet consistently
2. Stimulate Colon Movement, currently trying out Psyllium Husk but will try to buy LBB capsules online (probably Dr. Christopher's Formula, or make it myself if I can find a herbstore)
3. Food Right now consists of in season fruits such as pineapples and Durians, also wild caught salmon steak and raw oysters
However, the fat content is lacking a bit, going to try to up it by ordering some beef/bone marrow
4. It is getting more and more stressful every day trying to cure this..I have no other solutions for this other than maybe meditation..
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I think stronger reactions is definitely a sign you are moving in the right direction, it means the body takes immediate action to rid itself of what's offensive. it might feel exaggerated because, in the past, there were so many offenders that the body did not have much ability to get rid of its allergins
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However, the fat content is lacking a bit, going to try to up it by ordering some beef/bone marrow
Some places sell beef fat (fat they remove from the muscle meat) for really cheap. For example I pay about $3.89 for 2.5 lbs of beef fat. I eat 7.5 oz a day which adds 1500 calories to my diet daily. Only costing me $0.78c /day (plus S&H).
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Hey there, name's arty, i know exactly everything you've been through and everything you're still working with.
I found this site because I'm working on a book about curing eczema. I was in a state exactly like yours, traumatizing, truly.
My cure contains a large percentage of raw foods, but unlike other cures I recommend raw animal meats as well. I understand this forum isn't too accepting of many foods, but I'm not here to start anything with anyone, I'm here to help you. I am cured from the depths of this shit condition, and I want to spread the word as much as possible. This disease eats the mind, depresses and controls. Be happy, curing is on its way.
I read your eczema is weeping. In many cases this is a sign of infection. Wash with clean water and non-allergic soap, PAT dry.
Moisturize with raw virgin coconut oil. works wonders and the Medium chain triglycerides have an antiseptic aspect to them.
Wear clean clothes as much as possible, do high intensity exercise or use a sauna if you can ( I know it can be embarrassing with your condition ) to induce sweating.
Continue your raw food approach, as usual, avoid seed oils, cereal grains, soy, gluten, sugar, processed anything. Those chocolate bars you're talking about cannot be a part of your diet anymore, simply can't. You have sugar cravings because your carb content seems to be low. Eat cooked potato, yam, or white rice once a day. You should feel the sugar cravings back off. Eat berries, fruits, vegetables, mostly raw (talkin 75% of the time). High quality meats and fish. I understand that fish in HK (which is hong kong I'm supposing) are very high in toxins. If you can find clean, fresh, imported fish, drop the bucks on it.
Eczema has been linked to gut dysbiosis, its crucial that you work on your immune system, the majority of it, many say, lies in your gut. This means cultured foods.
RAW, not pasteurized kim chi, sauerkraut, RAW AND FERMENTED dairy (most preferably organic) like kefir and cheese. If you're like me, your ass will tell you the difference between raw and pasteurized dairy very quickly. Eat a HUGE salad every day. I'm talkin baby greens, peppers, cucumbers, tomatoes, avocado, green onion, sauerkraut, whatever veggie you can get your hands on. Top with salt, pepper, and cold pressed olive oil. (again, no seed oils)
Fast daily, 16 hours. Eat within an 8 hour window. Daily fasting increases autophagy, which is essentially cellular clean up. We need that shit maximum. Fast 24h once per week with an enema on the morning of the day starting the fast. Example if your last meal is at 6pm sunday, enema monday morning, fast, and have dinner at 6 pm.
Environmental toxins play a huge role in this condition, fasting is crucial to your repair and killing those faggot bacteria and yeasts fucking with you.
Sleep lots, drink tons of water, MINERAL if you can. If you have to drink tap, or anything other than mineral, take a slice of lemon with it. (vit c is an antioxidant)
Supplementation is crucial. You are totally right when you say that eczema can be traced to malnutrition. Now I don't know why some are so against supplementation, but the truth remains no matter what they say: Lots of the land that our fruits and veggies are grown on is mineral poor. Paleolithic lands were very high in mineral content and the food reflected that. Modern agriculture just isn't like that anymore. So, here it is, and this is where your money is going to go. IN ORDER OF IMPORTANCE:
Zinc
Probiotic
Chlorella or any algae
Magnesium
Vit E & D
Selenium
Copper
Desiccated liver (to assist with your dietary liver efforts)
Vit B complex
DRINK A GLASS OF FRESH PRESSED CARROT JUICE DAILY. This shit is incredible at skin repair (vit A and B's)
I wish you the best. Give me your email, I'll send you a copy of my book when it is complete.
abiziaev@mail.com, send me an email with any questions if you want to do this privately. I don't charge anything. Truly, nothing in this world makes me feel better than hearing and seeing people come out of this disease. If I remember anything else I'll post again.
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Sign of infection is a good lead. Have you seen a biological dentist? Root canals? crowns? jackets? infected teeth?
Arty... is this you?
http://411.ca/business/profile/9124939 (http://411.ca/business/profile/9124939)
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No I haven't seen one yet, Still looking around for one
Biological dentist is going to cost I need to see if i really need it
Thanks Arty will shoot you an email soon
GS what do u mean it's a good lead regarding infections?
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Root canals and infected teeth are a grave source of infection. My current kidney cancer patient had root canalled tooth and a jacketted tooth.
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Sign of infection is a good lead. Have you seen a biological dentist? Root canals? crowns? jackets? infected teeth?
Arty... is this you?
http://411.ca/business/profile/9124939 (http://411.ca/business/profile/9124939)
Weird, I told them to take that ad down a long time ago. Yes it is. That's not my business anymore.
facebook.com/ablebodysn is.
Infections are very very common with eczema. Best buds seem to be Staphyloccocus[1] on the skin and Malassezia yeast on the scalp[2]. Zinc has been shown to be immensely important in skin conditions[3]. It would be interesting to see how it does that. Zinc and selenium act as triggers for enzyme antioxidant activity in the body. It is possible that gut dysbiosis leads to poor absorption of these elements, zinc could act as an antioxidant against bacterial and yeast action, or it could assist in the immune system[4] in recognizing and fighting infections. I think it's a bit, if not all, of the above.
1. http://www.nationaleczema.org/articles/infection-and-eczema (http://www.nationaleczema.org/articles/infection-and-eczema)
2. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1365-2230.1997.d01-231.x/abstract;jsessionid=F06C0D0D54A5245AFF4DFD6E7827748C.d01t01 (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1365-2230.1997.d01-231.x/abstract;jsessionid=F06C0D0D54A5245AFF4DFD6E7827748C.d01t01)
3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seborrheic_dermatitis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seborrheic_dermatitis) (yes, I am citing wikipedia, look at "supplements" at the bottom of the page )
4. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2200472 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2200472)
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Also take note: antifungals have been shown to be very effective in treating seborrheic dermatitis. Candida overgrowth in the intestines has been linked to it, and has been effectively treated with antifungals:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2533189 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2533189)
Not saying that you should try out antifungals, just there to prove a connection. I had very bad seborrheic dermatitis reoccur for the last few months, my recent supplementation as noted in the long post above has cleared it in less than a week, emphasis on cultured foods and the probiotic w/ fasting is needed. In the case of long term supplementation, I'm not sure how it works. It could be that once the gut is repopulated properly, supplementation can be decreased, if not ended completely. Dosages and duration are still grey areas in research. Experiment. My zinc pills come in 50 mg, starting with one a day and gradually backing off could prove useful, but again, experiment.
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just bought an enema, helped my constipation a bit but I know i can't rely on it
going to experiment with some fermented food for a healthier gut
Doing the fasting protocol suggested by arty currently, but realizing that my recovery of wounds are kind of slow. Taking things one step at a time though
so priority:
1. Sticking to a 100% RPD, by writing down all the food I've ate for the day (food journal)
2. Making fermented food such as kimchi and high-meat (kimchi is my favorite while high-meat is helpful in digesting raw meat i suppose)
3. Purchasing clay for heavy metal detox? still thinking
4. Need to up my bowel function: going to be purchasing Dr. Christopher's formula as noted in LDIE's journal
5. Recently reading up on Gut-Brain connection and how your brain can affect your gut function, which means stress is a big factor in immune disease. Going to counter this by Walking outside for half an hour barefoot, or meditation
6. Just started my website but it is so very much at its infant stage. I want to make this part of my life. I've cured myself of asthma and eczema before on cooked paleo, i can do it again just the same on raw paleo diet!
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I'm just as deep in experimentation as you. In a way, both of us are forerunners in the diet-eczema link. Mainstream usually looks at nothing more than food allergens.
I'll keep this forum as a journal as well, here's what I've found in the last couple of days:
I've erased red meat from my diet along with all dairy. After about 10 days of heavy supplementation as I stated above, I've come off completely. Scalp itching and my major patch on my neck have reduced in itchiness by about 75%, and everything is clearing. I've added more organic, unwaxed green apples to my diet. The original cure I followed recommended 2-3 days of raw apples, they call it an apple detox. Upon looking back, it helped a ton. Reduced inflammation by 50%. I've become rather sceptical since going balls deep in research, but Maxamillian Bercher-Benner (creator of muesli) cured his jaundice with the same protocol. I won't be finishing that book any time soon it seems, looks like I have more experimenting to do.
I'm clearing up very well, and I expect to be 100% cleared in less than 7 days. After that I will experiment with raw fermented dairy, then red meat, independently.
If I can give you one more recommendation, do the apple detox. I hate using that word because it's tied to so much bullshit, and I don't know why or how, but it works.
2-3 days (you'll figure out by the end of the 2nd day if you should do the 3rd), of organic unwaxed apples. If they have wax on the skin, scrape it off, this stuff can be petroleum based at times. Eat as many apples, whenever you want. It takes commitment, but fuck everybody, they don't know what you're dealing with, and experimentation, I have found, has been the most important factor of this whole process. Stay tough, and moisturize with coconut oil.
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Also it sounds like your constipation could play a big role in this, add more leaves, vegetables and fruit. Steam broccoli, that stuff makes me shit bricks.
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Having more trouble sleeping and still constipation lately
It is weird, maybe I do need some leafy green in my diet after all to repair the gut?
I am confused in the rolls of vegetables because it's somehow not mentioned as not to be eaten raw?
I have no clue though, maybe the sick needs it to repair?
More wounds repairing but some new wounds near stomach area. It is funny how my wounds go all over the place. it used to be my back and my arms, now it's going lower to my stomach. Perhaps it's because of my gut? I mean it is directly on top of it
Air-conditioner proven to be deadly to me yet raining days I need it to be able to sleep. My tolerance to temperature is still very low.
Extreme heat kills me because im very sensitive to sweat yet also sensitive to cold. This is nuts
Going to improve:
1. Get started on fermented food, high meat, etc to repair gut
2. Buy LLB formula from Dr. Christopher's Formula
3. Maybe trying out apple detox?
4. Continue fasting for 16 hrs per day diet
5. Maybe experiment with leafy greens?
6. Don't have juicing machine yet, but I do chew on carrot from day to day
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Going to improve:
1. Get started on fermented food, high meat, etc to repair gut
Good idea, make sure not to limit yourself to just high meat. I'm also trying to improve my gut health and to make sure I get a variety of bacteria I eat fermented plant and animal foods. I typically eat some home made pickles with my plant foods, then an hour later eat some high meat with my animal foods. And do that for every meal except dinner.
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Slow juicer we have is a brand called MATSTONE
Screw type.
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1. Did an egg-yolk liver flush today, felt slight nausea but didn't have diarrhea like before but just some normal feces..My liver cleaned out?
Liver flush is such an interesting, yet weird thing I still don't understand. I'll try to research more and maybe further trials on it
2. Having many scratches when I sweat/heated up, also when I sleep, maybe the infection is getting strong?
basically I try to take less showers but maybe that is worsening the situation re wounds and infections
It is bothering me: if i shower my skin gets extremely dry..If i don't the dirt builds up and worsen the infection
Need to put a balance to this, maybe moisture with butter?
3. I think im allergic to coconut oil, or maybe just this certain brand of coconut oil..Weird..Quality really varies a lot for coconut oil
4. Dry fruits are kind of a NO for me, kind of screw up my digestion and my eczema flares up
5. Fasting needs to be incorporated with better Feeding window, meaning that I need to eat more when Im done fasting, or else I lack varying nutrients
6. Needs to Sun-Tan more after reading c_kid's opinion on vitamin D re post on acnes
7. Since I've recovered almost completely on cooked paleo diet before, I assume that RPD is going to be the basis of my cure, and go from there
8. Thinking of how to detoxify, to speed up recovery process. Various items is spinning on my mind lately
zinc supplement <--Oysters, meat from food source, or purchasing pills
Algae related supplement<--Detox Heavy metal? Im so sensitive to chemicals that I use to be able to tell if fruits have pesticides or not
Clay powder? <---Positive reviews from LDIE
LBB formula from Dr. Christopher<--Positive review from GS
Fermented Food<--Positive Review from various sources, basically to rebuild digestive system and gut flora, should be more beneficial than probiotics after various thoughts
9. Watched <Food, Inc> and <In search of a Perfect Human Diet>, realized how the food system is totally screwed, this just gives me more motivation to eat healthy now
10. Still clueless about the basis of my eczema. Suspecting it to be a GUT problem, due to digestion problems, but also suspecting a crappy liver due to BINGE DRINKING habit from the last two years.
11. Smoked a cigarette couple days ago and regret it so much. It's my second one in my life yet. I thought it'd give me some emotional relief or escape from this situation but it didn't. Alcohol was also bad.
12. I need to understand more about the CAUSE of eczema (if any of you can point me somewhere), to further help the issue. but For Now I believe it's back to NATURAL diet and lifestyle, with various supplements to detoxify and rebuild
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dude cut out all sugars, especially fruits asap. focus on greens such as lettuce's, endives, and herbs such as parsley, cilantro, basil, dill and fennel. if you crave fruit eat cucumber or red/ripe bell peppers. eat these with an egg yolk. after your skin has recovered from eating sugars, add raw milk dairy, especially full fat yogurts, cheeses and cream. dairy is an excellent way to heal your skin from the inside out. eat more raw liver. focus on simple diet. breakfast of a few eggs, cooked whites if you are going to eat them, raw yolks, with some extra butter, lunch of a small green lettuce/herb/cuke and some yogurt or raw meat/offal, dinner is a repeat or combination of any of the above meals. super simple but lots of fat.
have you ever taken magnesium citrate for your constipation?
all of your ideas sounds great, especially 6 and 8. just really try hard not to shower though, what if you fill your bathtub with cool water, take a quick dip and scrub your pits and parts but just let the rest of your body just get touched by water, no rinsing or scrubbing, then get out and don't towel off, just dry, then use jojoba oil. I reacted pretty bad to coconut oil when I first tried it, its great for me now, but jojoba oil hasn't ever caused reaction, olive oil works well too, just get decent quality organic.
do other aspects of your life or does your lifestyle make you nervous, frusterated or anything? cause I know constipation has a lot to do with mental health as well, so looking at things you can change in your lifestyle, old habits or ideas you can let go of, ways you can spend more time relaxing instead of worrying, and also make your life have a really good rhythm, so your ass knows its okay to poo, that helps too
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>> 4. Dry fruits are kind of a NO for me, kind of screw up my digestion and my eczema flares up
What is dry fruit? Dried mangoes? Packaged fruits? They have preservatives / chemicals.
>> 2. Having many scratches when I sweat/heated up, also when I sleep, maybe the infection is getting strong?
basically I try to take less showers but maybe that is worsening the situation re wounds and infections
It is bothering me: if i shower my skin gets extremely dry..If i don't the dirt builds up and worsen the infection
Need to put a balance to this, maybe moisture with butter?
Showering means the water is still full of chlorine. Try putting water in buckets overnight to let the chlorine evaporate for 12 hours. Then use those buckets with a dipper to take "shower" with.
Are you using soap? You don't have to soap that often. If you have infections, you can try virgin coconut oil as your moisturizer, it also works against infections.
Dirt builds up? why? Is your home and work environment dirty? You can put a 3m aircon filter on your airconditioner if it is. You can check for molds and dust in your home.
Who does your laundry? Are you using fabric softeners? Stop using fabric softeners. And try to use organic laundry soap. Make sure all soap detergent is washed out.
How are you drying your laundry?
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I read an interesting article on enzymes. It discussed how due to eating a toxin filled diet, and living a lifestyle filled with toxins, the body's regular detox pathways become overwhelmed. Then the body starts trying to flush out toxins through other organs that weren't meant to handle those toxins due to the overload.
Some of the recommendations were to eat a raw diet. But in general toxin avoidance is important, a raw diet too.
I use a shower head filter to remove impurities. It's a rather cheap investment considering everything you get out of it. It gives cleaner water to shower with than most people drink.
http://www.waterwise.com/productcart/pc/showerwise.asp (http://www.waterwise.com/productcart/pc/showerwise.asp)
You could also look into making sure your drinking water is pure, I do distilled, but I think a lot of members prefer spring.
Try giving a high fat (non processed animal fats), raw paleo diet a run and see how it goes.
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Shame-less self-promotion:
I've made a site recently regarding eczema and asthma, with emphasis on the systematic autoimmune disorder named the "Atopic March". I don't know too much about forum rules here, but I see that GS have his own link down at the bottom of his signature, so I assume it's alright. Please let me know if I'm violating the forum rules by putting my site name up.
Regarding my website, It's very much in its infant stage, but I have a growing compassion for people with asthma, eczema and everything related. Please swing by once in a while, leave a few comments if you wish to help me out!
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Just received the Zeoforce clay, vitamin D3 supplement (Now Brand) and Dr. Christopher formula for Lower Bowel Balance
Going to experiment with the Dr. Christopher Formula first
Also been working out to boost Human Growth Hormone production, hopefully this will make my recovery faster
I feel like lifting weights and working out is not only beneficial physically but also psychologically puts you in a state of mind of discipline. This is quite crucial when you are trying to follow a diet and lifestyle change
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This is the turning point, slowly but surely
Used LBB formula (Dr. Christopher) to fix my constipation, and it's working quite well
first night last night without any scratches (success?) will see if I scratch for the next few days
Im still really sensitive to sweat but somehow i guess i have to keep the suntanning and weightlifting going
Slipped a bit for the last few days though my diet has been off track, it's back on now
Im naturally quite a slacker and lack discipline, for that I've read "the power of habit" and learnt how to fix it
Whenever i keep a food journal my diet is near flawless, but whenever i don't it kinda floats everywhere
But constipation is huge man, now i realize how much it varies. I take about 2-4 each day (usually 2 in the morning, 2 in the afternoon)
maybe i need to fix it through my diet as well..more fat/hydration?
Going to avoid rice whenever i am at my parttime job (i have to eat their food since im in camp), but i guess have to do it anyways
So strategy right now would be cooked paleo whenever impossible to follow a RPD
Current Improvements:
1. Constipation improving with LBB (Dr. Christopher) formula
2. No scratches near stomach area (fixed problem of large intestine? the period i had large and scary wounds on my stomach area was the worst time of my constipation)
3. my right arm elbow area is fully recovered and doesn't really itch me, so now the only area that has open wound and scratches is left arm elbow area
Need for improvement:
1. Dietary strategy is a lifestyle change, as recommended by GS on his website. I fully agree and I want to add on that psychologically speaking it is a HABIT, therefore a food journal is almost vital, or else no one would like to change what they eat (Humans are naturally lazy)
2. Taking more photos for future evidence to educate people, and more so remind myself the pain and experience i went through
3. Going to stay put and experience with LBB formula for a while first, before trying out the other supplements I have purchased.
4. Bought some veggies to make kimchi, let's see how it turns out
5. Need improvement with Wound Recovery, it's too slow, also scars don't seem to fade as fast as when i was little
Thank you GS, Arty, and all you other RPD forum members, Im beginning to heal and it's all thanks to your encouragements.
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You might be one of those people who are allergic to rice.
I have a tough time digesting rice.
My first son's intestines cannot handle rice for long, leads him to bleeding intestines, painful debilitating.
My daughter and my other son get blood pools under the soles of their feet when eating rice daily at length.
So when that daughter and son get those blood pools, they willingly stop rice for around 2 weeks until it clears, then they go back to eating rice again. (addiction really)
We switched to heirloom rice for those 2 kids.
These are ancient rice from the mountain province rice terraces region where the traditional organic ancient practices are kept.
These varieties are untouched by the www.irri.org (http://www.irri.org)
Probably already the best rice we could find.
Too expensive. My daughter and 2nd son finds less irritation in their feet with the heirloom rice.
Still my first son cannot handle even the ancient rice.
There really are people allergic to rice.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3250595/ (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3250595/)
We live in a rice crazy country most find it unbelievable that I don't eat rice or that my children are allergic to rice. Or that my son's intestines cannot handle rice. It's unthinkable for most Filipinos.
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Its funny though, i used to hate rice when I was a kid
Hate it so much, that the thought of having rice, and when i try to have rice I'd want to throw up
When the rice has something on it obviously, the taste is easier to tolerate (for example: sushi rice is treated with vinegar)
I do agree rice crazy countries like China, Philippine and most asia countries are rough to live in, just to avoid rice
Your kids might just hate rice, if you make sure there's no topping (like curry or sauce from food), or taken together with other food. See if they still want rice
I hated rice without topping/ sauce, I think your kids would be the same (assumption)
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For shitty reasons of horrible self-discipline
Im at it again, when I was 75% recovered for some reason in summer (raw paleo diet + sunlight)
Then came part time work, drinking and partying
Cutting out drinking for real now, I realize I can have fun without drinking and drinking does not give me good mood as much as before now
Staying away from Gluten, all processed food and using bone broth as my starter again (as my lazy hot food excuse)
Ordered Vitamin D3, Liver Tabs (for my muscle needs) and MCT oil (low energy, experimentation)
Any suggestions for low energy, libido and constantly depressing mood?
To Do List:
Get Method of Storing meat
Get Bulk Supply anyways for winter time
Get exercise to keep my body moving and disciplined (no workout, no discipline)
Problems:
Itchy rashes coming back
Itchy scalp, hairloss from scratching and also hair falling out
Low energy
Cold hands and feet remains
Constant feeling of coldness
Brain Fog
Sleepy All the time
Low libido/sexual desire/weak erection
Low Test? I want high testosterone to boost my muscle gains
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Ever tried magnesium supplementation both internally and externally?
The magnesium lady in oneradionetwork.com seems to think magnesium comes first before D3 supplementation.
http://oneradionetwork.com/health/dr-carolyn-dean-md-nd-the-magnesium-miracle-changing-your-life-by-getting-enough-july-15-2013/ (http://oneradionetwork.com/health/dr-carolyn-dean-md-nd-the-magnesium-miracle-changing-your-life-by-getting-enough-july-15-2013/)
As for low libido / sexual desire... I hope I don't offend you if you are sexually conservative... but a NEW girl every now and then helps a lot. (if you are sexually conservative, tell me too)
If the new girl experiment still doesn't work, then yes, this is a serious health issue that needs serious attention. I remember you are just in your 20s and at that age what is normal is you are as horny as hell.
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Well, let's just put it this way
I'm not at ALL conservative about sex
I don't even think i'll ever get married (personal opinion, to each his own)
it's just im tiring at some times that I think "maybe i should do some shit involving girls"
then I think "too tired"
I'm kind of so tired to a degree that I can sleep through a whole day lying in bed and not going out at all (kind of have to force myself)
Sort of suspecting a combination of low T, low thyroid, and just overall low energy
This winter is killing me slowly
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Winter? Oh, keep warm. How do you keep warm? Do you eat enough saturated fats?
I have no winter experience. Maybe the others will chime in about winter.
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Currently still (yes, same shit again as last year) struggling with getting my meat, because I almost got a freezer today but got a shitty one instead so returned it and got the refund
In short
Searching for freezer
I hate low fat meat now
I need fat
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try and get some pastured pork and some good quality fish and raw milk and add some seaweeds. where are you? how bad is winter? does the sun shine at all?
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Wild-caught fatty fish is great stuff for helping you warm up in winter.
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Re Jessica
Funny thing is the city here (currently reside in east ontario,canada) has a lot of healthy old folks in town so they have some health stores and regular farmer markets where i can buy some goodies
sad thing is they stop working before christmas (right when I need it)
Fish is hard to get here, since it's inland..the ones that get here are expensive
I'll hv to eat what I have here, to be somewhat reasonable to eat heavy and not even worry about calories (which i never do anyways)
Seaweed is something I still can't find..Same reason that fish isn't much popular here (they sell farmed fishes in metro..but i try avoiding them)
Winter is crazy here goes down to -20 degree Celsius or even lower depending on wind
Sun depends, it's quite minimal i hv to say, and even though there might be sun, you'd be too cold to go out for sun (or I'd be for now until i figure out how to stay warm)
Cherimoya_kid:
same reply to jessica i guess, i don't really have nice fish here other than frozen expensive stuff from alaska, or vancouver/upper canada (it'll be a treat)
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Dude, you need some animal fat, a lot of it. That's how you get through those winters. Maybe you can get in touch with some local hunters who will let you buy some of the fat from their kills.
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wow, yeah, I couldn't imagine making it through another winter further north then I am right now. It's way too hard to be away from the sun and daylight without proper health and a good support system of friends and community!! Definitely take cherimoyas advice and maybe even seek out butcher shops that process wild game, perhaps they will have some offal and such? I mentioned pork because pastured pork is supposed to be high in vitamin D as well. You might not want to, but consider taking supplemental vitamin d if you cant find any good food sources, its not ideal but it does help. Also if you have the chance, even if you don't want to, get out during the sunniest part of the day, if that ever happens, and make sure you keep your body on a decent schedule, small walks, light stretching, breathing exercises, if nothing else.
Do you have access to a sauna where you could do some intervals of hot and cold?
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I've ordered Vitamin D3 which would hopefully get my mood back up for a bit at least with some MCT oil to give me a boost (small experimentation, i know D3 Gives me happiness away from this winter depression)
I'm now also quite certain that most of my unhappiness and depression came from my poor health (i've always had a frowny face on..it's a constant tension on me..) Life just feels like a piece of shit (yes not feeling pleasant at the moment)
Funny how autoimmune disease patients are those that neglected the most and treated like monsters, but you can't die from it so no one really cares
I've also got way less energy to care about other ppl's matter and gone quite cynical again, building up this wall between me and ppl
Note:
Currently at a pretty bad place again, and seeing my struggles comparing to what other people are born with, I'm feeling really negative about it
While people are complaining about sweating and feeling gross..I'm scratching scars out of my skin and painting my shirt with blood, while my faces go all red and looks like im about to kill someone
so hard to create positive thoughts when your body is shit..I believe health is the base element of happiness now. if you don't hv it, everything else are like cherries on top of nothing
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http://www.softress.com/eczema_information.php (http://www.softress.com/eczema_information.php)
Self research note:
Just reading about the basis of why eczema comes into play
Realize that I somewhat understand about the macronutrients, but lack a lot of understanding of micronutrients
For future use
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I definitely think the vitamin D is worth a try. It definitely keeps my autoimmune skin problems (dermatitis, dandruff, etc.) under control. A high-fat diet is also very important in helping vitamin D be effective. Carbs deactivate it.
You might also consider a tanning bed. I know the purists here might not love that, but it might be better than just being miserable and sunless for several months.
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Comparing to most people being afraid of supplements
I'll make a note here:
To those who's looking for a solution towards Eczema, supplements are NOT something you should be afraid of..in fact it helped me to get myself together at times (winter)
Anyways
Vitamin D and MCT oil, also Liver tabs came in
I'm very enthusiastic about building a better body and getting stronger in general, let's give this a try as first start..
My Diet needs to be up to part..this will be done on the weekend..going to figure out my diet plan.
Need to get a damn freezer next..
Dropping all other goals at the moment to stay disciplined on recovery towards full and healthy glowing skin
Have to say though, working out helps me to keep myself disciplined, and sane
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how have you been at keeping to a clean diet lately? would it help you to ease into the diet if you could cook meat? I really think egg yolks and raw dairy are excellent for skin as long as one is abstaining from gluten, fruits and anything else that causes inflammation, have you tried those?
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My situation is sticky but I'm working on it
Lately my go-to meal is cooked
Bacon, onion, garlic stir fry
or Bacon and Egg fried
I know it's shitty, but it's what I hv for now
I can tolerate raw meat, just need to actually be getting good quality ones..
the ones from supermarket taste nasty whereas the ones I buy from farmers market tastes like heaven
Except $$
I hv money coming in soon though, support coming from my parents
Time for me to hustle for money too. I ain't strong/athletic, but I got a brain and MCT oil + Vitamin D is giving my energy back
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When was the last time you did a Hulda Clark liver flush?
http://www.curemanual.com/detox-protocols-and-treatments/liver-gall-bladder-flush/hulda-clarks-liver-flush-method/ (http://www.curemanual.com/detox-protocols-and-treatments/liver-gall-bladder-flush/hulda-clarks-liver-flush-method/)
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what do you fry stuff in? perhaps try a more gentle cooking method? just sauté it very low, don't burn any of the fat, cook only the egg white, eat the yolk raw.
To be honest, I had some cheese that was fried in butter the other day, and low and behold, my chin got some weird ass rash on it, like a spot of peeling skin that has taken about a week to heal. I haven't had any skin issues like that for at least two years, I also don't think I have had any food that would irritate me that much in two years. Raw dairy does not have the same effect and I have only seem improvements in my skins texture from that. I have to say fried are extremely inflammatory. Even if you cant get the best quality stuff, don't make it worse by overcooking :) !
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re: GS
I never did one of those..I often find it really stressful to do one of those methods (like liver flush) when I'm already doing strength training, trying to study and eat right
re: Jessica
I use to just fry bacon and use the remaining bacon grease to fry stuff in there, mix it up
Stir frying stuff Asian-style is like putting everything in there and just making a lazy-go-to meal out of it
I'm starting raw as of yesterday.
Got a small grilling steak with egg yolks mixed together, mixed with some siracha sauce (cutting back on this shit)
Fills me up, but need more animal fat..
current supplement regime :
Now foods vitamin D3 (2 softgels = 10,000IU)
Now foods MCT oil (for energy due to tiredness)
Universal Liver Tabs (6/day)
Current Diet Regime:
Coffee in the morning at 5am (with sugar and mixed in fake-cream, guilty)
Light boiled Eggs 3-4
Poutine (most of the time due to being in a rush, replacing this soon)
Almond milk
Changing this to :
Grass-fed steak (cheap at one of the grocery stores near-by
Lamb shoulder chops from NZ (not the best, but it's alright)
Yam for safe starches (Can someone confirm me about the carb ratio?)
minimal fruits (haven't had any for a while)
Some avocados on the side
Some curious questions:
I'm currently having confusion with ..
Minerals
Carb Ratio
Why animal fat?
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Well, you had better find the time, the courage to learn more new things like detox protocols as coffee enemas, liver flushes, fasting, etc. because they are all techniques / tools in your tool box of health. Better to have those tools and know how to use those tools. Add detox protocols to your check list of things to do.
If you still aren't fully well, then maybe you may need to try out the things you haven't done.
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Good news, I have a fully functioning freezer now
Will soon start bulk ordering meat at $3/lbs for most (liver, marrow bones and ground beef etc.)
Ending this problem finally
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I've been keeping a food journal of my own
Started slacking over the break again so I decided to just keep a food journal on my netbook
It's been working so far, and I'm eating 90% raw paleo, but quite hard to deal with temptation with my huge carb-craving and low energy
My energy is so low it's driving me crazy
I'm getting so fatigued I could be sleeping till I naturally wake, and still feel tired
This fatigue is killing my motivation to do anything.
I have no clue how to get my energy back up. It's like I NEED coffee. I almost can't live without it
This is what my day usually looks like
Morning: Coffee (sometimes with sugar + cream mixer), i know it's bad but i almost can't live without caffeine now
Afternoon: Raw Roast Beef/ Liver
Marrow bones gross me out but i force them down sometimes (not use to the fat eating part yet)
Sometimes I eat this thing called Poutine (quite a lot) to get rid of my hunger from lack of fat. Which i'll solve by eating more fat and also buy some carbs (but fruits and veges seem to not fill my carb cravings)
Im so tired, I don't even wanna move
Cold hands and feet not helping either.
Good news is my eczema is looking way better, from lack of stress over the break, and also recent new adaption to raw food
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Im so tired, I don't even wanna move
Cold hands and feet not helping either.
Searching on the terms
fatigue cold hands feet low carb
reveals that these are symptoms commonly reported by VLC dieters, especially those who are not eating much resistant starch. I have so far found resistant starch to be the most warming of all "carbs" for me (it's not really so much a carb as something that feeds the gut bacteria, which in turn generate SCFAs, which the body can then use as fuel to generate heat).
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Hey,
Kind of in the same boat. Best thing that kicked off my healing was a 45 juice fast with coffee enemas/liver flushes. Detoxing and cleansing is a main part, and then feeding yourself with good nutrition. My skin has vastly improved with the cleanses and flushes.
Trying raw paleo with fruits, semi-seared meats and raw fish. Also 2 egg yolks/day. I also eat baked/mashed sweet potatoes/white potatoes with loads of rcoconut milk/ raw coconut butter.
Keep cleansing.
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Currently in a new trial of 30 days of Raw paleo diet
Easier said than done, I've developed a bad habit of cheating reviewing previous dieting days
I've decided to put raw paleo diet as the predominant habit to establish first.
Today's menu
Pistachios (salted) + Raw almonds
Ground beef (about palmful, didn't have time to finish)
Chocolate peanut whatever bar (guilty)
Cappacino
Beef Liver (till full, about 3 large slices)
Supplements:
Gaba (something to relax my mind with..been stressing out lately)
High Vitamin Butter oil
Cutting out coffee for sure, i'm suffering a bad feedback loop of feeling cold, need for coffee, then rewarded with warmth from coffee
Change routine: Hot cup of water
I'm suspecting a damaged adrenal, thyroid, and overall endocrine system i'm having right now, leading to my lack of size even after 3 years of training
One step at a time.
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Reviewing past journal right now, I can see a pattern of habits:
My framework is going to be established from the book "The power of habits" by Charles Duhigg
Basically the book has a simple concept: habits form by the following sequence:
Cue-->Routine-->Reward
for me, my current habits look like this:
Cold hands and feet-->coffee-->Warmth+Increased energy (temporarily)
changing it to
Cold hands and feet-->Hot Water-->Warmth
That would stop my coffee addiction to larger extent for my winters
2.
Low energy-->Coffee-->Sudden upsurge of jittery energy
changing it to
Low energy--> ? -->Sustained level of energy
Can someone help me fill up the "?"
And if anyone has experience regarding thyroid/adrenal recovery please let me know
So far i know the solution is supplementation, but I'm still learning, and also doing some search function on this forum. Thank you
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What does your daily diet look like? Amounts and types of food.
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Low energy-->Coffee-->Sudden upsurge of jittery energy
changing it to
Low energy--> ? -->Sustained level of energy
Can someone help me fill up the "?"
Eating well a la RPD will probably help you with overall elevation of your energy level. For right now, try adding mindfulness to your dialogue. Do this when you do feel low energy:
Cue: Low energy
Old Routine of Perfectionist distortion: I should be taking great care of myself so that I look and feel great.
New Routine of Undistorted thinking: Right now I am feeling low energy. I don't like this feeling. I should have stuck to RPD from the start, but I didn't, and so I feel regretful, too.... All I can do is my best right now. I'll choose to (pick something rational: quick nap, brisk walk, or your best low-energy activity).
Reward: You feel better because you are not tearing yourself down. The low energy may stay or go, but you are at peace.
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An interesting read:
I searched around and was able to find a probiotic supplement that was solely composed of isolated L. plantarum (it’s marketed as a digestive aid, but I ignored that). I then waited for my eczema to flare up again. As soon as it did, I began taking the L. plantarum. Within three days, the eczema had completely disappeared. This would usually be when the eczema actually gets worse. It usually has about a 2 week cycle before the active inflammation completely subsides. I’ve never seen it disappear like this. Usually at this point, hand washing would be painful and exacerbate it. Now I could hand wash with abandon. Even more amazing: I was able to walk around outside during a particularly cold spell without gloves, and did not have any exacerbation or return of the symptoms whatsoever. Being able to do these things three days into a flare up is unheard of. My hands now feel completely impervious to the triggers. Something has clearly interrupted the inflammatory response.
Read more at L. Plantarum Cured My Eczema, http://mrheisenbug.wordpress.com/2014/01/27/l-plantarum-cured-my-eczema (http://mrheisenbug.wordpress.com/2014/01/27/l-plantarum-cured-my-eczema)
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Very interesting, Phil. have you tried the L. plantarum?
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No, but my next bottle of probiotics that I'll be starting soon contains it.
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Low Energy=REST!
this should be a no brainer (literally) in our society, don't over stimulate yourself out of guilt for feeling tired, tune INTO your body and out of your mind that is conditioned to our hyperactive, overstimulate culture that is hell bent on "progress".
lay down and breathe deep! your body has all kinds of sensory mechanisms that detect balance and are activated by laying down (your inner ear, your adrenals) when you go into a supine or prone position your body will automatically assume you are doing so because you feel safe enough to do so, utilize this to your advantage, when you feel anxiety about feeling tired, like you need to boost your energy level, LAY DOWN, breath deep, get fully oxygenated. You might be amazed to find that sometimes when you are feeling tired but the need to move your body is just needing more oxygen, and because we often don't practice full belly breathing when we are anxious(if at all) we are constantly a little oxygen depleted and since our body/mind knows that when we move we tend to breath heavier it might think this is a good solution, but just focusing on relaxing and breathing is better, because we needn't overstimulate already burnt out bodies.
you may have to rest for a long time, you may have low energy for a while, but realize that it might not be because you have no energy, but that the energy, if you give it a chance to, will be used to HEAL! healing takes an enormous amount of energy, think how depleted people are from the common flu? now imagine how much energy it takes to heal a body that is constantly being depleted? or has been abused overtime? it takes a LOT of energy, and it would be incredibly wise to honor that.
I had to rest for almost a year and a half, it was extremely hard for me but I was at rock bottom, there was no other option. It was incredibly hard as I had lead an active lifestyle and the one I am pursuing does take quite a bit of physicality, but I knew that I would never be able to accomplish anything if I didn't rest and heal first, that if I tried to get back to "normal" before I was ready that I would just burn out that much faster.
But the energy came back, and I was wise to go slowly and to set limits, so that I could build up a good resiliency physically and mentally, and I still have quit a bit different capacity for physical activities, but I have to remember that even though I thought I had this huge capacity for stress and physical, mental and emotional stress, I really didn't, or I wouldn't have been ill or needed to rest in the first place. And to be honest, now that I am a much more balanced person, I get more done with my life anyway, because I am not only physically strong, I am mentally and emotionally capable and stable thanks to that truly good physical health :)
I hope any of that helps to put your energy level into perspective.
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I have sort of curbed my bad coffee habit now
Instead of drinking coffee every morning, now I only drink it when I needed a "lift"
It's almost like an "all or nothing" i realize when I try get back into raw paleo diet
It's hard too, because it requires quite a bit of discipline.
Re cherimoya_kid
usually my diet consists of beef liver, ground beef with some marrow bone fat in there
And i get my carbs either from cooked sweet potato / bananas
I've experimented a bit with cooked mussells and they sort of up my energy and libido for a bit but quickly went away
Re PaleoPhil
I'll have to read up on that. A lot of people seems to be popping up left and right able to curb their asthma and eczema, which makes me really happy honestly
Re Eveheart
I enjoy the idea of mindfulness towards habit changing and dieting.
I had to shake out of my own unconscious perfectionist attitude to understand what you mean. (i had to read it twice)
Thanks, i'll take that into my mentality. It's quite easy to overthink and become perfectionist. One of my worst habits
Re Jessica
I feel like this is quite hard to understand. I had to read it twice as well.
Resting was never part of my thinking. I almost always want to "go go go "
Hustling is my mentality and I always hate myself for not hustling enough.
Like my friend told me once: You know too much but do too little.
It's sort of hard, but I'll try to rest whenever possible. It's almost like I want to go all in and forget about my body's tiredness and keep pushing, but it won't let me because it's always burning out.
These couple days has been ups and downs. I feel like mood swings are correlated with my sleeping habits and diet.
When I get my goal align with my daily habits I am happy
If they are out of line I try to get satisfaction from others or other stuff like drinking booze (guilty)
Taking one step at a time.
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I enjoy the idea of mindfulness towards habit changing and dieting.
I had to shake out of my own unconscious perfectionist attitude to understand what you mean. (i had to read it twice)
Thanks, i'll take that into my mentality. It's quite easy to overthink and become perfectionist. One of my worst habits
Now that you have mastered mindfulness (LOL), here's advanced mindfulness:
"Right now I'm overthinking and having perfectionist thoughts." Be with those thoughts. Examine them. Refrain from judging them. They might tend to persist less if you let them come and go when they want to.
Famous saying: "What you resist, persists."
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Not hustling enough... illness of us urban folk... we need some down time once in a while.
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You are the product of your environment:
Problem = Constant lifestyle switching, leading to body stop healing and go back to old direction of destruction.
New solution: change of identity, obsession on health and healing. Switch of entire perspective towards perfect skin display and energetic youthful feelings.
Reason lately I've been gone was that My eczema took a better turn and started to become not annoying at all. My skin became perfect other than a bit dry and itch when sweat.
But since I've came back to Hong Kong, the same lifestyle of constant eating out is bothering me again.
I think that now solution is in my head, so this time i'm stopping before it gets worse, and will strive for healthy lifestyle instead of a intoxicating lifestyle.
It's hard in an environment of distractions and temptations, but hey, there's a price for everything.
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Slacking, procrastinating, reversing to bad behaviour..repeated theme in my journal..what's up.. ?
I've been realized that procrastination is my number 1 problem in life currently, and it's having a huge toll on my health as well.
After the rebound I had from partying and stressful work during summer, I've recovered almost 90% again, and now it's sliding a bit back to 70% recovery state..
These numbers are obviously an estimate but also I can see my skin starting to turn worse and more areas getting inflammation.
Basically I've been undergoing a lot of stress academically and other factors in life as well. But I am attempting to reverse all these by focusing on my health so I have more energy to deal with curveballs in my life right now.
I'm quite sure that I have SAD and to a quite significant degree more than other people. People around me have told me that they get a "winter blue" feeling as well but I have fell into depressive cycles and back into negative thoughts since winter has started. It is ultimately the worst feeling for me and my greatest motivation to get out of Canada.
For now though, I'm having various attempts to recover my health.
1. Gut system health
Eliminating toxins first by following a full paleo diet again. Having trouble adhering to a full RPD lately because my body is so cold and I have so little energy. I feel like the only heat I can get is from hot tea/soup/hot meal. I'm going to consume more amount of fat as suggested and see if i do better.
Gut system has been having problem possibly due to stress and irregular sleep cycle. Sleep will be kept in check by going to bed early on weekdays when possible. Stressful days I will take 20 minute naps more often to recover from mental exhaustion.
2. Hair loss + Itchy scalp
My eczema have been way easier to control for me since the knowledge of RPD but my itchy scalp doesn't seem to go away. Possibly the dry skin factor + heating system is bothering me. I have yet to have a good solution for itchy scalp. I may do a VCO detox when I have the time to allocate 3 days off. Limiting carbohydrates at this point seems quite unfruitful for me because my energy and temperature is so low that I need warm carb in form of boiled sweet potato to stay warm.
In one way I want to try low carb and see what effects it would have on my scalp eczema (potential candida..? ) on the other hand, everytime I try to cut down on carb and eat protein and fat I get severely fatigue from my baseline level. I may just not be eating enough fat as well.
Also need to do extensive research into MPB as well, as I've started to have early signs of MPB and I'd like to stop it before it gets bad. Will start another thread on experimentation on that.
3. Lost of libido
GS have mentioned on his site that health symptoms are all stemming from causes, and address the causes, the symptoms goes away. Libido I believe is one of them, but I've yet to be able to combat my libido issue.
Zinc deficiency : I take NOW opti-zinc for around 2 weeks, no significant improvement.
Cholesterol deficiency - I finish around 1 carton of eggs (12) everyday by making scrambled eggs with no benefit to libido
Vitamin D3 - Same thing, Been taking 3000 IU everyday for a while but still not getting there. Libido is working together with my mild depression and absolutely killing my joy in life at this point.
4. Eczema, my biggest problem
Eczema is coming back in form of rashes. Not significant enough that I lose sleep over but starting to have pain from showering and irritation from itch. This needs to be addressed and reverse back to recovery path.
5. Negative food
I've been "cheating" or consuming many bad food, such as cookies, extra artificial condiments, chips, coffee, alcohol, etc. These habit must go as they only provide short-term relief but produces more stressful conditions for me in the long-term.
6. Stress-release
Recently been slipping on weightlifting as habit, which have provided me a strict guideline and routine to follow before. I will return to training schedule of 3 days minimum a week, every week.
7. Under eating
Not eating enough is perhaps another reason that I am having many issues in my energy level currently.
8. Core diet currently
Here is the diet I am mostly following right now
Chocolate almonds (about half a pound) Need to go
Dark Coffee (1 cup /day)
Scrambled eggs (6eggs/meal, twice a day) mixed with chili powder, condiments such as black pepper, salt.
Sweet potato (1/day)
Apples when I'm near school with no food to eat.
Alcoholic drinks on weekends
Artificial sweeteners in water for drinks
As many of you probably shaking your head, i know..I'm slipping into bad habits again.
I really need to address this problem of feeling cold..it is absolutely killing my desire+habit of eating RPD ..I've done enough research to know that RPD is the fastest way to recovery and robust health but I'm so cold that everytime I have thought of not having cooked food I get depressed.
How do I get out of this cold mess of thyroid problem/adrenal fatigue/ candida/ chronic fatigue? It is driving me insane.
9. Core habit: Food Journal
From today onwards I will document my food in a food journal on my ipod
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How do you get around? Walking or bicycling can help lift SAD. Or chopping wood.
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I walk a lot. I used to go around town on my longboard but my friend sinked it to the bottom of the lake so now I walk majority of the time. It's actually the most pleasurable thing I get to do out of all the stuff I'm dealing with lately.
It's just that it's getting cold as well and I tend to avoid the outside. But at the same time not seeing the sun makes me sad as well.
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Thank you for your personal reporting.
Makes me think of the challenges when my children get to your age.
Probably the motivation to stick to healthy lifestyle would be...
... you want to get them girls???
... you had better man up and try to do the best raw paleo diet and lifestyle you can because when your looks and health fail you, the girls will all be gone.
Something like your challenge happened to my brother in his 1st year of college.
He got assigned to UP Los Banos and we lived in Manila. So he had to live in a dorm in his college.
He was on SAD, we did not know any better... he ate the crappiest junk, no home cooked, just commercial crap and even instant noodles. He got horribly sick pronto and his full body psoriasis flared up. He was forced to request the college to assign him to the manila campus (or quit college if he wasn't able to).
Today, my kids appreciate just how amazingly better our home cooked meals are compared to eating outside.
My 11 year old (2nd boy) just had a basketball accident and had an inflamed knee injury, his diet protocol was raw oysters, raw tuna and some lightly seared t-bone steaks. Aside from ice on his knee every 3 hours.
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It's just that it's getting cold as well and I tend to avoid the outside. But at the same time not seeing the sun makes me sad as well.
I've lived in your type of climate, and I don't recall avoiding the outdoors because of cold weather. Just be sure to wear the right clothes, including layers that you can open or shed when your body warms up. This will warm you better than hot food.
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To me it sounds like you need rest and to focus on diet. I would suggest doing cooked paleo and continuing to include starches while you transition back into a healthier Pattern of eating and eliminate caffeine(and nuts and fruits IMO) from your diet. Make broths with oxtails or other gristly bits and herbs, onions and celery and drink those with warmed meat, fat and greens. Try doing small amounts of physical activity, such as stretching, breathing exercises and maybe some body weight exercises and walks, but do not over exert yourself. Focus on getting good quality sleep, remember you are healing, be gentle with yourself. Your heat issues sound like low thyroid, add some seaweeds into your diet. Try eating large quanities of proteins and fats for breakfast and lunch and a starchy dinner and see if that helps your body warm up. Add raw milk to your diet if its accessible, it will help nourish you with vitamin d, heal your intestines and skin. Switch up your protien and fat sources like fish, oysters and pastures pork if available.
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I agree with Jessica.
Go cooked paleo diet if raw is unreachable for the moment.
My children are mostly cooked paleo diet.
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To me it sounds like you need rest and to focus on diet. I would suggest doing cooked paleo and continuing to include starches while you transition back into a healthier Pattern of eating and eliminate caffeine from your diet. Make broths with oxtails or other gristly bits and herbs, onions and celery and drink those with warmed meat, fat and greens. Try doing small amounts of psychical activity, sub as stretching and maybe some body weight exercises and walks, but do not over exert yourself. Your heat issues sound like low thyroid, add some seaweeds into your diet. Try eating large quanities of proteins and fats for breakfast and lunch and a starchy dinner and see if that helps your body warm up. Add raw milk to your diet if its accessible, it will help nourish you with vitamin d. Switch up your protien and fat sources like fish, oysters and pastures pork if available.
I've included kelp into my supplement stack as of now. Taking it about 4-6 of those / day..recommended dosage.
Seaweed does not exist around here other than the junk food kind, but i'll double check
I'm lactose intolerant now, can't find raw milk around here either. Asked around couple years back apparently stores around my area don't really carry it because it's quite hard to deal with legal issues / potential drawbacks from customers
Really trying to pinpoint my issue right now..I'm going to review my own principles of health and turn this around.
1. Lifestyle + Diet causes health issue. Nothing else...Formulate a good lifestyle with good diet = health
2. Inflammation is the name of the game, the more inflammatory food = damaging system. The more anti-inflammatory food = recovering system
3. Natural food > Processed in terms of anti-oxidants, nutrient content and lack of AGEs
4. AGEs causes aging in the body, and the more I research into it the more I realize AGEs also link to all sorts of health problem
5. AGEs may also link to testosterone receptors in rats (recent findings)..Such an under-researched area in science..Cooked food vs raw food changes
6. Anecdote I find that western lifestyle just consist of higher chance of hairloss for people. Almost every family member of my own who've been to the North America society develops hair-loss (male)
7. DHT and hair loss is well documented, but the reason it causes miniaturization of hair follicle is still very vague. Immortalhair seems to provide very great source of information on the matter. Looking into the research further. Seem to be connected with adrenal, thyroid glands which I do have major issue with. DHT also seems to be less of the focus of issue here for me because I do not have that much body hair. It is either a) I have high amount of DHT and it's overly inflammatory for my scalp or b) I have low amount of DHT, but my body so inflammatory it's still attacking my hair follicle. More into the mechanism later.
8. Low libido seems to be connected with low testosterone..It make sense that I have low T because I've been training hard to couple years in weight lifting (despite on and off) but my muscle growth seems to not even compare with newbies who started for 1 year on bad diet. Genetics definitely play a roll but I think that the only way is compensate with better health to make up for poor genetics. Over the last 3.5 years I've transitioned from 130 - 140 lbs, which is very little for muscle mass despite I've gotten much stronger. Under eating/ Overtraining / Hormonal influence seems to be the only question here. Since I do take a lot of time off, I believe undereating and hormones to be the only issue.
Practical step first.
A. Sticking to a RPD..Making bone broth when cheap bones and vegetables are available
B. Scalp issue is causing more hair loss, it is possibly a combination of eczema + candida, or just scalp eczema. Either way I sort of see them as the same thing. Most hair are scratched off but minor thinning at the crown is coming out. Really don't want to go the drug way but If this doesn't get solved in a year that might be the only option
C. Stress release techniques: Stretching, Spiritual walks + Muscle release techniques
D. Upping fat content as prime key in diet. Fat is key to energy and calorie intake. Going to finish up the marrow bones I have right now first.
E. Looking into fixing my organs and make them run properly as well. The only difference between a guy who have no issue with health whatsoever despite eating junk all the time and me, is only possible in a better running system. The only way they have a better system is better organs, endocrine system and blood flow etc. Basically their engine is running better and body is able to regenerate and clean out the junk they're eating
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Research Notes
Thyroid , Heat and Diet
http://perfecthealthdiet.com/2011/08/low-carb-high-fat-diets-and-the-thyroid/ (http://perfecthealthdiet.com/2011/08/low-carb-high-fat-diets-and-the-thyroid/)
Going to look into this later, really busy lately
But basically a moderate carb, moderate carb and high mono-saturated fat (so animal fat) would be optimal for thyroid function and temperature..need to review this soon
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Current diet regime:
Raw paleo diet consisting of Marrow Bones, ground beef + beef liver
Cooked sweet potato to keep my temperature up
Have a last bit of eggs to cook off but following the above diet for the time being.
Going to have to take on an emergency trip to the other side of earth for a bit, and still busy as hell..
Going to have to do a cooked paleo diet instead, it sucks for couple days but I guess that's life.
Waking up to a hell of a skin itch and rash ain't no fun. Combined with cold hands and feet.
Health is taking a down turn, so I'm going to just stop it right here and turn it around.
Current supplement regime:
Vitamin D3
Fermented Cod Fish Oil
Vitamin Butter Oil
Kelp by Now 150mcg x 6 per day. (Need to contemplate how much to take..Trying to solve my thyroid issue/ cold issue..)
L-Optizinc by Now
Lower Bowel Balance pills from 2 years ago, ordered from same place that made humaworm, just found out I have more last night
these had to be stopped during travelling other than Vitamin D3 + Kelp, can't bring liquid on plane
Plane food's going to suck..oh wells..what can I do, i'll just take rice over wheat I guess.
Funny Observation
I've been thinking about if liver flush is a real thing or is it just a chemical reaction
Last night took Lower Bowel Balance pills and went to bed.
This morning woke up, took vitamin oil + Fermented Cod Fish Oil + went to washroom
1st bowel movement got the normal stuff out.
2nd bowel movement got some funny ball shape poop out. They all sunk to the bottom and nothing floated.
Could these be liver stones? If the fact that taking in high amount of oil can stimulate bile to squeeze out liver stones then why bother liver flushing? Just embrace the fat / oil and drink that for flushing of liver stones..
Sort of the same idea that GS posts about: the egg yolk/olive oil liver flush.
Just some thoughts.
I'm going to embrace on the GS journey again. Take on strict diet + detox first, and reverse my life again.
This is taking so long, but I must be patient. I need to build up a habit instead of letting it slip like I've done in the past.
Lifestyle building is the key of the game.
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Cold hands and feet are primarily from iodine deficiency (and/or whatever else plays a part in making iodine available for the body to use, and in this case the deficiency of those - I think selenium was one that plays a major role). I know these symptoms too well... for years and years. Personally I take half a tsp of ground dried sea veg twice a day to ensure I have enough iodine (I soak it in water for a bit, sometimes for hours, then gulp the somewhat slimy stuff down; rockweed, not kelp as kelp gets very slimy this way... and now for some odd reason I want kelp...).
Iodine also is important for digestion, I noticed months ago...
There's no such thing as "poor genetics". If you say "poor genetics" then what I understand is that you don't know yourself well enough...
There are different "body types". Try to be yourself, not someone else - this of course first requires knowing oneself enough. It's best to not look at others and what they are like, instead get to know yourself and what you are like. If you look at someone else and how they are doing and have a slight feeling of envy or similar, then you are taking them as an example, whether consciously or not, and if you insert into your mind someone else as an example and try to apply the picture of that person to yourself then whose life are you living? Yours or someone else's?
After all, this mentality of taking others as examples is one we are raised and grown with from so many directions. It blocks and hinders the development of oneself. A quality one should best root out once aware of it, as it does no good.
You can't and don't gain muscle exactly the same way a "SAD" dieter does; "mainstream" way and view of gaining mass and strength, etc., does not apply to "us". In their case a lot of the mass is actually fat and toxins stored in fat.
I go to gym regularly now and almost always see some "lazy fat chunks" rolling under weights. They have mass, fat mass, and far too much of it now that I know how much a person should have, and then they have some fatty muscle mass. They are disgusting, and they aren't aware of it. It's a sad look seeing how they think they know what they are doing, but without knowing the world nor themselves.
I'd say forget about gaining mass or strength. Just have a good enough diet and work out, and mass and strength and stamina, etc., will come as they will come, and they will come.
To give the body extra nutrient kick egg yolks are good. Personally currently I eat 2 whole eggs and 8 yolks a day (commercial crap as can't get better ones enough). Easy to digest as well. Then about 2.5 kg(5.5lb) of fish a week, 1 kg(2.2lb) beef fat, and about 1.5 kg(3.3lb) of beef meat. These are the bulk of my diet.
Meat variety is important. Relying only on say beef meat, and no other major protein source, will develop issues.
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I think upping the fat content + continue supplementing regularly with iodine has already helped me a little bit in my cold situation
The name of the game really is eating more fatty meal maybe..
This could also be self-induced placebo effect, so I'm going to embrace on this and keep experimenting...
Just thought I'd thank @nummi for bringing that up..I did have to acknowledge that previously this year I was so tired + cold I had to rush to supplement store and bought kelp for supplement, and realized I could wave away a little fatigue and being able to function again..
Maybe modern lifestyle depletes our already low level of iodine in diet..More reading into that
Fatty meat is also helping me with energy supply already..just need to find more fatty meat + raw fat..
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Current compromise diet while on the road and travelling
Pick rice over wheat product ..I tolerate rice way better than gluten..
Pick cooked paleo over junk in restaurants..Fruits over those..Fruitarian + cooked paleo on the road
Keystone of Raw Paleo diet = Raw fat from good meat.
Raw fat = more energy = better metabolism
Raw fat = better sebum production for dry skin = less itch = faster recovery of skin
Raw fat = lowering of inflammation = less area triggering immune reaction
Raw fat = Bile flowing better = better functioning liver (need some research on the exact mechanism, but this is really what I suspect right now for most population having problem with their liver eventually)
Raw fat = filling = eating less crappy food = less craving that deters healthy diet.
Raw fat = Less fluctuation in blood sugar level = less mood swing and hence stable mood
Raw fat = better synthesis of vitamin D3 = less susceptible to Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD) which I believe i have to a very high degree.
Raw fat = Testosterone production = better hormonal balance in this estrogen filled world
Raw fat = better sebum production in hair shafts = healthier hair roots
Raw fat = ? = prevent hairloss (I suspect it helps..just don't really know how)
Raw fat = providing essential fatty-acids = healthier thyroid (still trying to dig up the research)
I need a better research methodology than just reading and bookmarking. Been doing this lazy style research for my health.
Not going to slack now, I really want to break the nutrition and health myths to the bits and bring the world something out of my illness.
First though, going to have to fix my own problems once again, before I go around telling my friends and family what to do. If you can't do it, you can't advice it.
I really appreciate many of you throughout my journey giving me good advice..to GS, jessica, nummi, Paleophil..and many more..I am going through a lot in life right now and I am forever grateful during this down time that there are strangers that are willing to read my long essays of thoughts while giving solid feedback.
To all of you who've helped me throughout the journey, I wish you health and happiness from the bottom of my heart.
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Current compromise diet while on the road and travelling
Pick rice over wheat product ..I tolerate rice way better than gluten..
Pick cooked paleo over junk in restaurants..Fruits over those..Fruitarian + cooked paleo on the road
I have a "formal" hierarchy for eating on the road, too. While I do try to take everything with me, I've done what you are doing for some trips, and it has paid off many times. For me, wheat is a "never" food. Also, I prefer to buy prepared foods in supermarkets rather than eat in restaurants. I carry a jar of coconut oil with me, and while I rarely eat coconut oil at home, it travels well. On a recent visit to a vegetarian friend's house in the middle of nowhere, I decided to stay for a few days, so I got a rotisserie chicken (of dubious quality) and a container of fresh salsa. I think it pays to have contingency plans, even if they fall far short of what you would eat at home.
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Good luck badboy9311
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As to "compromise" foods. Maybe try buckwheat over rice? Personally I'd take buckwheat.
I'd take buckwheat over rice anytime. Plus buckwheat wouldn't be much of a compromise food in the first place, definitely not anywhere near as much as rice, not to mention wheat.
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Lack of focus, Procrastination and Emotional pain
This is a post for myself, but also for those in the contemporary society.
For a lot of us, we're in physical pain and emotional pain.
Just on the subject of health alone, people come to this forum are often at their last resort phase. They either want to get well, or they are willing to just give up.
Mentality wise this time I'm better at this "fixing health" thing. I'm more focused, more relaxed than last time, because I know the plan A-->B, but at the same time life is currently giving me a lot of stressors. The feeling of riding a wave on a tiny raft during the storm of the century is kind of what is going on in my mind.
Part of what got me here, I know exactly, is the lack of focus and procrastination.
I've been multi-tasking, and procrastinating my whole life. And these are all because I don't have the ability to deal with emotional pain and process them. The same psychological pattern that got me here cannot possibly bring me to the next level of health in life. It is always the same pattern as well, I multi-task, procrastinate because somehow the fear of failure overcomes my desire for a healthy body. Constant switching of lifestyle because I'm afraid of changing my identity, changing how others view me.
The fear of failure stems from my inability to handle emotional pain, which end up create more emotional pain for me.
It was the fear of being continue to stuck in atopic march that got me started, and now I'm half way there at 80-90% recovery on eczema, and fully recovered from asthma, suddenly I thought I could stop and just throw everything out of the window. This pattern has happened so many times and it's so painful to see for myself. Reading my old journal, I have recovered, but I was never at the finish line. I was never at the end of the line with perfect skin and perfect smile. It was the inability to handle the change that might encompass the new RPD lifestyle and health with my image of typical conventional lifestyle that everyone else is in, the SAD lifestyle. The cognitive dissonance of identity just never happened, then I revert to old mentality and habits.
The change of identity and the ability to handle emotional pain, is my current sticking point in terms of emotional aspect.
Let's solve this, I really hope this can also bring some pointers for people in the future.
If you, or precisely to say, your "mastermind" within you don't accept the emotional pain and identity shift along the way, you'll keep getting rebounds like me, you'll just keep going back to the same hell you got yourself out of in the first place.
Cry, scream, yell, because the pain doesn't go away by hiding it..Cry it out..let it out..
Then, keep crawling back up, and face the pain..Let it run all over you.
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Skin condition update: Keep getting new inflammation area, because of scratching
In shortly 3-5 days, I've gone from clear skin to body full of scars once again.
Oh wells, the reason is simple: I've crossed the threshold again and now I'm back at inflammatory state.
I believe I was just below the threshold when my skin recovered but never got fully lubricated skin again.
Now, let's push past the threshold again and go further. I'm committed to this, let's do it.
Currently supplementing with -
Kelp 150mcg x 6/day
Vit D3 4000 IU /day
Omega 3 (alaska fish oil pills) 4-8 per day..megadosing
However also been reading something bad on how fish oil causes oxidation. I believe there're pros and cons, It's anti-inflammatory, but oxidizes easily. Hmm..I need to learn more about this.
Keeping stuff simple recently, trying to reduce the inflammatory state as much as possible right now.
I've done it before, where the combination of Bowel cleanses + Vitamin D3 substantially reduced my inflammation, but this time I wonder how long it'll take because my body is going through a lot of stress itself.
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Research breakthrough
http://gutcritters.com/pufas-leaky-gut-endotoxemia-and-the-liver/ (http://gutcritters.com/pufas-leaky-gut-endotoxemia-and-the-liver/)
Linked with leaky gut and liver damage if taking Omega-3 supplementation in their diet, using rat cells as research basis..
So..Omega-3 supplementation is not the answer, but lowering omega-6 intake?
Pretty Ray Peat school of thought, but none the less interesting..Hmm..
This site is great, I learnt so much to it..
The same answer just keep popping up to me lately in my research, that saturated fat of animals that eat their natural diet are the key towards health.
I feel like alice in wonderland, jumping down the rabbit hole.
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As to "compromise" foods. Maybe try buckwheat over rice? Personally I'd take buckwheat.
I'd take buckwheat over rice anytime.
Well, buckwheat won't be on the road for me, in HK there're no buckwheat in the market (at least not that I can find without a lot of time..and I'm out out here again soon)
Good luck badboy9311
Thanks phil, you've always given solid scientific advice, I love it.
Please let me know what you think of my progress as I update this journal more
I have a "formal" hierarchy for eating on the road
I never made a formal hierarchy, but my hierarchy right now is
RPD> Cooked PD > PD including rice (so just cut out gluten and SOY pretty much) > Junk diet (all you can eat SAD)
The problem I guess is that I never made it clear to myself in my lifestyle. And cravings are nuts when you're cold and hungry all the time. Thyroid problem + SAD + emotional distress = recipe for disaster
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Part of what got me here, I know exactly, is the lack of focus and procrastination.
What works for me also works for others but not everybody, so I'll propose a solution that may or may not work for you:
Early on, someone pointed out that not all of our goals are actually goals at all. Instead, they are actions toward a goal. The problem, then, is defining the actual goal(s) that we may have. In that case, my true goal is not about eating a certain way or focusing differently or getting exercise - those are just actions toward a goal. The real goal is to overcome a negative pattern that was learned earlier - a pattern like not treating myself with love, or betraying myself, or being untrustworthy to myself.
Our negative patterns are not hard to detect because they always manifest themselves in the ways that other people irritate us. You might look at Byron Katie's The Work (www.thework.com (http://www.thework.com) for a lovely method that you can use when you write in your journal. If I'm feeling like eating wrong foods, I use Katie's method every morning in my journal until the bad feelings are resolved. Other methods work, too, so you can find a good one for you.
I believe that you can improve your outlook with some form of daily meditation. I realize that I'm in my 60s and have had a lot of practice, so I don't want to imply that the process ahead of you is easy or painless... but constant improvement is possible. The world has an infinite number of solutions for every problem, and just as you found RPD, you will also find many solutions for your emotional turmoil.
This Tale of Two Wolves might help you choose a course:
An old Cherokee chief was teaching his grandson about life...
"A fight is going on inside me," he said to the boy. "It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves.
"One is evil - he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, self-doubt, and ego.
"The other is good - he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith.
"This same fight is going on inside you - and inside every other person, too."
The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather, "Which wolf will win?"
The old chief simply replied, "The one you feed."
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try to make tamarind tea.
use fruit, leaves and bark.
refrigerate to be always cool.
apply 2x or more a day and air dry via an electric fan or hand fan.
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To be honest i doubt I'll find that here in canada for these really tropical stuff. I mean probably I can find them, but it's going to be pricey..I'll try though
I just gave it a brief search..What does it do exactly again?
And GS, where should I go again, following your protocol from head to toe again? I'm going to be really busy and I've got a lot of "hustling" to do for the next month. How should I do detox? Or should I stick to RPD for now and wait for things to settle down?
I'm at the constipation stage right now again, my digestion system is weak as hell. I think it's in my family genetics to have weak stomach (my parents have weak digestive system as well, they just eat SAD)
I have some probably overdue LBB pills from ages ago, don't know if they're still effective, or I might just have to buy another pack of colon cleanse / castor oil.
I do see a lot of benefit everytime i do a colon cleanse + overdose on vitamin D3 (probably more like overdose comparing to the stupid FDA standard)
These couple days of sunlight did give me some help with the SAD issue, but it's quite temporary as I'll be back in deep winter very soon.
Oh wells, time to really go deep in meditation. The only thing that have always helped me to thrive during harsh times.
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You should not be constipated.
You should poop effortless and complete.
I recommend you fix your colon to poop like a champion.
See http://oldfashionedspices.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=445 (http://oldfashionedspices.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=445)
Take your activation dose (number of capsules that let you poop daily without diarrhea).
Take daily for 60 days.
At the same time follow the watercure2.org guidelines for at least a week.
Do daily egg yolk liver flushes 3 straight days. Rest for a week, then do it again.
That should get you started.
Get good sleep. Inclined bed therapy.
Eat at least a paleo diet... raw is best... but if not... cooked paleo.
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Two quotes I find great.. hope you do too :)
"Failure is never the problem. The response is. We need to learn to fail forward to create success. This idea is built into DNA. Failure is key the to begin again, apply intelligent design. Full effort is full victory in failure. Stop focusing on risks; they multiply in your mind and paralyze your attention. You want to focus on the task, instead, on doing what needs to be done. Today, take responsibility and blame yourself; only you have the power to change and transform things. If you assign responsibility elsewhere, then you are giving power to decide your fate outside your control"
"Summoning gratitude is a sure way to get our life back on track. With gratitude, fears vanish, and abundance manifests. We're the creator of our life and we need to make it happen. It's not what we have or don't have that is paramount; but the value we place on them. We can't control all the circumstances in our life but we can control our attitude and thoughts. What we can't change often changes us drastically, and if our attitude is shaped by gratitude, abundance is likely to follow"
Badboy, you need to give up caring for what others think about you... or you will never proceed. Do what you know is right for you, no matter what.
What good can you do for others if you are not good to YOU? I am not one bit worried about what others think.. and I do many "weird" things.. because I know they are good for me. To follow the masses was never my thing. It is not fun either.. and in the end... it is fascinating when we are different.
You can do it.
If you are constipated.. you are dehydrated. I would not eat cooked paleo for this issue... it is more constipating as raw. Do all raw, it will help. An drink lots of spring water too...... keep it cool at home, go out in the nature, forest is best.. and stay away from too much time on the computer...
Do you live in a city?
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Do you live in a city?
Thanks for the quotes, they are indeed something I know, something I've been through but need constant reminder of.
I live in a mid-sized city now, and always been a city boy pretty much. Think the typical cosmopolitan and multiply that by 10. i'm pretty much just under a New Yorker in terms of how "urban" i'm considered in society.
Which has its perks really, but stresses me out in terms of the constant need for doing stuff really.
It just makes recover from chronic disease difficult because I'm constantly trying to do new stuff.
Anyways, I've done it before, and Ill do it again.
Yes, cooked food does dehydrate me I realize. I'm focusing on RPD from today onwards, no more cooked stuff.
I want to get healed up before christmas, so I can travel a bit without pain.
Staying away from the computer is pretty much impossible for me as a student nowadays. I do realize it has a huge toll on my mental health when facing the computer all day. I've stopped lifting too which is the worst ever. I'm going to pick up exercise again tomorrow to help boost some growth hormone and this sluggish circulatory system I'm having right now.
You should not be constipated.
You should poop effortless and complete.
I recommend you fix your colon to poop like a champion.
See http://oldfashionedspices.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=445 (http://oldfashionedspices.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=445)
Do daily egg yolk liver flushes 3 straight days. Rest for a week, then do it again.
I'll schedule that for monday- wednesday
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Academic stress will end in 2 weeks, but these 2 weeks I'm also going heavy workload and pushing all my brain power on academics.
Just had my last trash meal day last night. I'm switching to the lifestyle of a healthy person. This junk eating lifestyle should be the past me.
I will accept pain and suffering as part of the journey. And if I slip so be it, but I will keep crawling to my health and youth
I will accept the judgement of others for that I know they are part of the reality we live in.
I will accept the consequences of my actions, and they are my own responsibilities to take.
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30 Days of Food Journal begin again.
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Healthy food increases academic ability, consciousness, IQ, EQ, everything.
I actually feel like a totally different person today than my SAD days.
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Current mode of operation:
Increase raw fat by eating a lot of marrow bones
Increase vitamin and other necessary nutrients by eating beef liver freely
Got a humidifier to decrease stress on dry skin, don't know if it works well yet though.
Drinking hot magnesium supplement that I got in the morning to warm up body
Pre-thawing meal the day before
Taking in carb from Sweet potato only
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Currently quite constipated, don't know why..Probably due to stress + dehydration from diet
Compromised gut flora is probably the reason according to GutCritters.com, a quite reasonably scientific site that I recently started following
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Too low energy to do major detoxes, I can't afford bad reactions from harsh detoxes
So I'm going to build myself up from raw paleo diet first as focus.
The rest I'll put in bits by bits.
The colon system is the first thing to fix anyways. It's quite compromised right now.
Should I just stay put and not do detoxes?
Current detox: Colon fiber supplement (Zeolite + Psyillium Husk Mix) to get some Bowel Movement..But isn't getting much despite having heavy meal 2 nights in a roll.
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Should I just stay put and not do detoxes?
The body "does" detoxes all the time via the kidneys, bowels, lungs, and skin. Sometimes, the trick is to stop further intoxication by eating the right foods, getting exercise, and thinking the right thoughts.
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The body "does" detoxes all the time via the kidneys, bowels, lungs, and skin. Sometimes, the trick is to stop further intoxication by eating the right foods, getting exercise, and thinking the right thoughts.
That's the thing, I want to speed up my healing progress
But I can't stop coffee because I'm dealing with a lot of academic stuff and to be honest i'm in no health shape to be able to stay awake without it... It sucks but right now I'm completely dependent on coffee to stay awake.
I'm taking everything out already...
It's an endless cycle of destruction
Stress --> Consume crap product to feel better --> Body deteriorates --> Feeling depressed because of both mental and physical deterioration
It's almost as if this system is designed for you to be productive, but never for you to thrive and be an actual human being.
Let's just say I'm real deep in the mental hole again.
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I still have my mission though..My mission of pursuit will drive me forward..I'll crawl out of this ..Even if it means being beaten to the ground again and again..I don't do this for myself, but for the world.....
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Written in an extremely mentally-screwed up state..
It's so interesting how when my mood is skewed, I go in straight tunnel vision. Still cannot seem to get out of this rut.
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It sucks but right now I'm completely dependent on coffee to stay awake.
Uh... people who say that are probably the ones who should quit drinking coffee altogether. Just sayin'. It only takes a few days to get over the ups-and-downs from coffee, then you will have steady energy and your jittery head will calm down.
Written in an extremely mentally-screwed up state.. It's so interesting how when my mood is skewed, I go in straight tunnel vision. Still cannot seem to get out of this rut.
If all else fails, the holidays are almost here. Do you get a break? Before that, you can take mental breaks by forcing yourself to think about something that makes you happy. Really force happy thoughts and dwell on them, and your body will clear out the bio-chemicals of your bad moods. I've read about this (called hard-wiring happiness), it really does change your brain chemistry, out of the rut.
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Easy substitutes for coffee:
Ginger tea! Get fresh ginger, boil in water for 5 minutes. Ta da!
Really lazy way, get boiled water, cut some ginger in your cup.
Cayenne tea. Get fresh cayenne, cut up a teaspoon full and mix in hot water.
Another tool for studying: Gingko Biloba
http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Health-Personal-Care-Ginkgo-Biloba-Nutritional-Supplements/zgbs/hpc/3765701 (http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Health-Personal-Care-Ginkgo-Biloba-Nutritional-Supplements/zgbs/hpc/3765701)
I developed coffee allergy... it literally saps the energy out of my liver.
But I approve of coffee enemas, that wakes up people too and it will give you health benefits.
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Good suggestion. I remember you mentioned that before in my journal but somehow I forget about these things.
Just had some positive energy effect from beef liver. Potentially energy increasing effect? Either it being placebo or actually effective I'm not quite sure but my energy is sustained quite well for my working progress at night right now.
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GS I've read several times about your post on dry skin. I have yet to have time for liver flush (i'll try that on the weekend) but can you give me a clue on how much fat I need to increase moisture in my skin?
And how can I increase speed of healing. (I know your common protocols. I've been doing colon cleanse already)
Also ordered prebiotic from gutcritters, let's see if that'll improve my condition .
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“Waking up to a hell of a skin itch and rash ain't no fun. Combined with cold hands and feet. Health is taking a down turn”
“I'm lactose intolerant now”
“Low libido seems to be connected with low testosterone..It make sense that I have low T because I've been training hard to couple years in weight lifting (despite on and off) but my muscle growth seems to not even compare with newbies who started for 1 year on bad diet.”
“Scalp issue is causing more hair loss, it is possibly a combination of eczema + candida, or just scalp eczema.”
“funny ball shape poop” ( = #1 on the Bristol Stool Scale)
“I'm at the constipation stage right now again, my digestion system is weak as hell.”
“Got a humidifier to decrease stress on dry skin, don't know if it works well yet though.
Drinking hot magnesium supplement that I got in the morning to warm up body
Pre-thawing meal the day before”
If you search around this forum and the Internet, you’ll find that all of the above is commonly associated with this sort of VLC/HF approach (though at least you are avoiding ZC by eating some sweet potato):
“Current mode of operation:
Increase raw fat by eating a lot of marrow bones
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Taking in carb from Sweet potato only”
Several ex-VLCers in this forum (such as Danny Roddy, Yuri, Yuli, Miles, Brady, Stas86, Klowcarb, and Lowenherz, IIRC) reported faring poorly on VLC in the longer run and some of them were harassed for sharing that (admittedly in part due to some venting on the part of some of them). Some of them were understandably angry that so much of the LC/HF hype turned out to be wrong in the long term. It seemed like they were exaggerating until I looked further into it myself. If you look into the backgrounds of prominent critics of VLC on the Internet, you'll find that many of them previously tried LC diets themselves, with quite a few even having touted them. Stick around at any diet forum that has a significant number of VLCers and you’ll eventually see some of them report it didn’t work out in the longer run.
Is it just coincidence that foods rich in carbs (including Microbiota-Accessible Carbohydrates aka fermentable fiber aka prebiotics) like sweet fruits and starchy tubers, legumes and nuts have been reported by more and more people to reverse many of the symptoms you have reported?
Check this out:
High iodine content found in starchy staple foods like tubers and legumes:
http://www.ajol.info/index.php/ajb/article/view/59582/47873 (http://www.ajol.info/index.php/ajb/article/view/59582/47873)
"Some selected staple foods: tubers, cereals, and legumes, grown, sold and consumed in Ijebu-North Local Government area, Nigeria were evaluated for their iodine content using standard methods. Among the tubers, Ipomea batata (sweet potatoe [sic], red species) was observed to have the highest iodine content (311.33±8.52 mgI) while the least iodine value of 88.97±1.31 mgI was recorded in Discovea avenmensis (cocoyam). Among the cereals, maize was observed to have the highest iodine content (100.96±3.50 mgI). When the iodine content of the legumes was compared, the highest was observed in Glycine soja (soybean; 179.56±4.66 mgI) while the least was in Cucus melo (mellon; 29.84±1.21 mgI). Result from our findings indicated that most of the staple foods contain [a] high level of iodine."
Substitution of red meat with legumes in the therapeutic lifestyle change diet based on dietary advice improves cardiometabolic risk factors in overweight type 2 diabetes patients: a cross-over randomized clinical trial http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/ejcn2014228a.html (http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/ejcn2014228a.html)
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Dandelion root tea is also a great sub for coffee.
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If you search around this forum and the Internet, you’ll find that all of the above is commonly associated with this sort of VLC/HF approach (though at least you are avoiding ZC by eating some sweet potato):
I've been reading up at that a lot. Personally I feel really bad if I don't eat carb at all, given that I'm already sick and tired already. I do also have problem with sweet cravings, which is either because of A) Gut Flora Imbalance or B) Nutritional deficiency
I think it's a combination of both.
I'm not low carb by any means, averaging at least 1 sweet potato (last night I had two) and some fruits (apple, pears)
Also supplement somewhere between 650-900 mcg of Iodine from [Now] Kelp and Dulse
I'm pretty sure now that I think of it, it was a combination of gluten + chronic stress + Alcohol causing all this..
Had some stressful nights where I slipped and ate a lot of cookies and baked good and stuff. Those and alcohol and all-nighters probably built up my inflammation and pushed it over the threshold.
Then the last push was the flight I had to take last week.
Anyways, now I' just gotta pick my feet back up..
I'm pretty sure my dry skin has a lot to do with the gut as well. Probably because of that I'm also not able to preserve heat that well. Thyroid + Gut Issue ..hmm..
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Going strong in keeping a food journal, just putting it in a diary for now, trying to organize them with pictures for my own tracking.
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Jessica: thanks for the tea recommendation, I'm trying ginger tea as of now
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Beef liver is an amazing source of energy and nutrients, glad you have a source!
When you feel like eating fruit and putting ourself back on the carb rollercoaster, stuff your face with green leafy veggies like all different varieties of lettuces, and chew them thoroughly and add some animal fat, butter, egg yolk and salt to that mix, chew it though, dont blend it, focus in eat bite. Keep a huge pot of bone broth in, make it with tons of onions, celery and garlic and drink as much of that as you can. You really should have some safe but not perfect options on hand no matter what. Drinking and cookies should be out of the pocture forever. Never give into those, they are what is making you sick, they are addictive, they are harmful drugs that destroy your body. If you need other diversions take a walk, write in a journal, scream, ohm, hug a pillow, attack a pillow, have a pep talk with yourself in the mirror. Think about how you will feel afterwards, the next day, read your most painful journal entries, start taking progress photos so if you feel yourself starting tk slip you can have something to look back on. Each evening make sure you remind yourself of the progress you have made, no matter how small it may seem. Each moment is extremely important and precious and when you really decide to stop abusing yourself wih improper diet the moments you spent fighting urges are extremely hard but each small victory will add up.
Think about rotating what teas you drink in he morning, as herbs tend to have accumulative deletarious properties, meaning they are good for a while but so powerful they can take systems out of balance.
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I'm not low carb by any means, averaging at least 1 sweet potato (last night I had two) and some fruits (apple, pears)
Also supplement somewhere between 650-900 mcg of Iodine from [Now] Kelp and Dulse
So over that entire day is this what you ate for carby foods?
2 sweet potatoes
1 apple
2 pears
If so, do you know how many grams/day of carbs that works out to in the diet of an avg male (2500 calories), or for your own calories intake, if significantly different? It sounds like some days you're eating less carby foods than that, yes? Do you eat any other foods rich in carbs or prebiotics?
I'm pretty sure now that I think of it, it was a combination of gluten + chronic stress + Alcohol causing all this..
Had some stressful nights where I slipped and ate a lot of cookies and baked good and stuff. Those and alcohol and all-nighters probably built up my inflammation and pushed it over the threshold.
Binging on junky carbs (like cookies and other baked goods) and alcohol is pretty commonly reported by people trying to stay strictly LC. Many have reported see-sawing from one extreme to the other. It's good that you're trying to eat more sensible carby foods like sweet potatoes, apples and pears. Some have reported that that helps fill their carb needs so that they don't get as much cravings for junk.
Lack of sleep and too much stress can of course also be major negative factors.
Based on what you've been reporting, it sounds like maybe you also have my issue of not being able to fully metabolize carbs, so that even when eating a significant amount, it works out to being quite LC, because much of the carbs aren't being utilized?
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If so, do you know how many grams/day of carbs that works out to in the diet of an avg male (2500 calories), or for your own calories intake, if significantly different?
Hmm...interesting..I just realized I may be significantly under the intake of carb then..That may explain why I have constant urges to suddenly binge on large carb meal (such as poutine, fried rice and etc).
1 Medium sweet potato works out to be 27g of carb.. I haven't worked out the daily value yet but I just read on google it's about 9% of daily value..And sometimes I do take in just a small one for the day.
I'm also on quite an irregular eating habit now, often not eating until 3-4 pm in the afternoon (basically fasting from the morning till night..That might explain my
A. under-consumption of carb
B. under-consumption of calories..
From this may have lowered my energy as I'm also suspecting that i'm not eating enough meat.
I eat until I'm full usually but I still get really hungry after digestion, and usually leads to late night binges or snacking ...
I guess I'll return to "eat until full" in all raw food to get rid of the problem of under calorie first.
I think it also had to do with my last several months of heavy weightlifting (which I am keeping it minimal right now because of resting stage) , which have increased my muscle mass but my intake of food wasn't up to part, that may have caused damage to my body (probably endocrine and sheer lowered metabolism)
I really enjoy your detailed read through of my journal, I never suspected this issue..
I probably have a significantly damaged gut flora, from all the drinking and stress these couple years. Or may have been damaged for years.
I've always had a bad time gaining muscle, growing, and have almost always had cold hands and feet.
I guess right now I'm going to focus on rebuilding my gut first through
A. upping my calories
B. Continue detoxing
C. eating less straining food on gut system
So, an eat until I'm full raw paleo diet would do I guess.
Ordered Synthoix prebiotic from Gutcritters.com, just gotta wait for 2-3 weeks (slow shipping)
Prebiotic I guess can vary..I haven't included any in my diet yet but I read about raw garlic being very good. I get stomach ache from raw garlic cloves however...Die-off reaction?
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@Jessica
Hmm..Interesting, you're providing a slightly different approach to PaleoPhil..In the sense that you're saying I'm having carb craving because...of candida..?
I think it's a combination of both..
Pathogens + damaged gut flora = indigestion of carbohydrates = craving for carbohydrates
When bad carbohydrates in form of fructose + simple sugar (candy and alcohol) they damage my gut system further by damaging gut wall and causing leaky gut
When good carbohydrates in form of slow carb /safe starches they become prebiotics/ good source of energy?
Am I on the right track? I really want to figure this out..
Theorizing doesn't work anyways, Going to adapt an eat until I'm full approach to raw food for now..
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Since started raw diet from the 2nd, I'm having even stronger immune system reaction in form of more eczema rashes and intense scratching at night.
Was reading gutcritters and apparently taking more probiotic/prebiotic causes pathogens to have die-off reactions
Interesting..so maybe raw meat/ Raw food when introducing gut bacteria into gut flora produces a new warfare inside my gut flora?
so raw food = balancing of gut flora = die-off symptoms if liver is impaired in functioning.
I feel like I'm gaining a piece of the puzzle everyday.
This approach (Gut Flora + Gut system health) makes a lot of sense then: people who can tolerate various bad food simply have strong HCL acid + Gut Flora that they digest and detoxify various toxins/pathogens easier than impaired individuals. By eating a raw paleo diet it takes out the need for a strong gut system to digest most food (because of enzyme / predigested fermented food).
Hmm..
I'm onto something here, my "Gut" is telling me that..
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Yeah I am sure its a dynamic situation, differs carbs effect individuals differently Diego having uniquely functioning digestive systems which effect blood sugar and metabolism and also gut flora which help or hinder the break down, assimilation and biproduct of what you consume. I like that you are exploring all suggestions and feeling out what might be most true for you and not just striving towards someone else's ideals that they may oragne not follow themselves. You definitely can't. Theorize and I think it's helpful to recognize that your body and needs will also chane while you heal, so to be flexible, aware and patient while your body and diet evole is the trick to never getting stuck and never reverting to old patterns of bad eating.
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Yes, under-consumption of calories can be very stressful, especially if there isn't plenty of body fat and glycogen reserves, or metabolism of fat or carbs is poor, and it also makes one even lower-carb on a daily grams intake basis.
People with alcohol cravings tend to have deficiencies in some key nutrients, like zinc and B vitamins (such as B6), and I suspect that inadequate levels of the microbes that help produce, metabolize or absorb these nutrients is a likely key factor in this.
Jeff Leach has reported that one of the key things his GI microbiome research reveals as supporting a healthy microbiome is eating a wide variety of plant species. He aims for eating 30-40 different plant species each week!!! :o ;D Sweet potatoes + apples + pears = 3 species, which is nowhere near Leach's intakes. He reported that LC Paleoists who do his GI microbiome test have been showing subpar microbiomes little or no better than those of SADers, IIRC.
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Jeff Leach has reported that one of the key things his GI microbiome research reveals as supporting a healthy microbiome is eating a wide variety of plant species. He aims for eating 30-40 different plant species each week!!! :o ;D Sweet potatoes + apples + pears = 3 species, which is nowhere near Leach's intakes. He reported that LC Paleoists who do his GI microbiome test have been showing subpar microbiomes little or no better than those of SADers, IIRC.
You have no idea how much down the rabbit hole you've sent me down by typing that name in the reply..holy
I thought I know enough about diet stuff but turns out I know nothing.
Interestingly enough he holds a pretty consistent view with Raw Paleo Diet that promotes healthy microbial in gut flora
I'm currently soaking up more of the knowledge..I've also ordered a prebiotic supplement and we'll see how that helps.
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Yeah, I recall Jeff commenting once that he basically eats "Paleo," including lots of fatty Paleo foods, but he also eats lots of fibery/prebiotic plants, and many different species, including tubers. Good luck with it. Of course, I'm not telling you what to do and there's no guarantee that the particular things that Leach is doing are best, and the GI microbiome tests may not be highly accurate or representative of a full year, and there is still much to be learned. Still, I do think it's rather suspicious that so few LC gurus have gotten their GI microbiomes tested and published the results (the couple I saw do so had subpar results). What are they afraid of? It they're going to tell others what to eat, then they should put up or shut up. :)
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It simply may be that they just aren't interested, or that they feel that any so called sub par results found may not jive with how they are feeling. Maybe if you showed us 'those' results here, and pointed out what sub par means, it would help us understand better.
Also, as I have mentioned before, I don't know if for someone who's eating a high fat diet would be better off receiving there lipids from fermenting fiber. But obviously someone who doesn't have access to high fat foods, might very well be better off eating RS to encourage gut production.
I watched a show showing the African 'baboons' living on the high peaks surviving mostly on grass, grass bulbs, and roots ( also in other studies they go to mention the inclusion of insects and small mammals). It was interesting to discover the different theories as to how they could digest these grasses with out the stomachs of a cow and or hind gut fermentation and overeating as does a horse. They speculated that they received enough nutrition due to their molars being able to grind to small particles. But then again, they mentioned eating the bulbs of the grasses, and hence your previously mentioned info on the RS found in grass bulbs. I would (except for taste) just as soon have a diet of grasses etc, if it could produce the same results found on my low carb diet; and not have to kill animals for my food,, even though I do believe I am supporting life by paying grass fed farmers to breed animals that wouldn't have been able to walk the earth or grassy fields otherwise. And it does support the grass fed movement vs. having animals suffer during the traditional feed lot existence.
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Did a GS-style egg yolk liver flush this morning, went to bed and passed out for an hour
Felt funny sensation from the right side of digestive system..either it's the liquid swirling or it's actually triggering my liver to do stuff..I don't know honestly, have yet to be able to see "stones"
My eczema for the last several days have spread from my body to neck, then to my back, and further down to my upper thighs (genital area) It's as if the raw diet is triggering it stronger.
Trying taking raw garlic for better liver detox, so I took 1 clove on 5th december, 2 clove on 6th december. just chopped up and washed down with water.
Got minimum bloating from 1 clove but 2 clove really gave me some gas and bloating .
This itching during nighttime thing is killing my skin healing. I'd scratch so much overnight that my bed would end up with build up of dry flakes and bloody flakes.
Currently diet regime
Clementine (3-4)
Pear (1-2)
Sweet Potato (1-2)
Raw beef roast + Marrow Bone fat (usually 1 bone + several steak sized meat chopped up)
Garlic (1-2 cloves)
Psyillium husk + Colon aid pills from ages ago that probably lost its effectiveness..
Zeolite from health force (but apparently if I still haven't gotten out my mercury in my mouth I shouldn't do metal detox?), so I'm taking this back out for now..
Vitamin D3 from NOW, about 3000 IU (either taken with Blue Ice/ Fatty Meal)
Kelp and Dulse (about 900 mcg of iodine)
Magnesium drink (i'll detail the brand later..) for magnesium 1-2 cup throughout the day.
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Garlic can be hard on the stomach lining. Best to have with food, and instead of chopping up, try fine grating it.
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Van, Your sentiments largely fit with what I mentioned above and what I have mentioned before--that there's still much to learn and no guarantee that the particular things that Leach is doing are best for everyone and that he embraces fatty foods. I recall him saying his diet was both high in fat and fermentable fiber (though he didn't specify fat grams or %, and I doubt he has calculated it, so his sense of it could be off). Also, my mention of this or that person or their research isn't intended to suggest guru worship or prescribe for others (as I explained with Ray Peat), just spark curiosity and discussion.
I already provided the results of LC Paleoists Brent Pottenger and Laura Schoenfeld vs ex-VLC Paleoist Tatertot Tim Steele, as well as Jeff Leach's data on LCers and his own high-fiber vs low-fiber results:
http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/instinctoanopsology/gcb-eating-meat-is-harmful/msg119969/#msg119969 (http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/instinctoanopsology/gcb-eating-meat-is-harmful/msg119969/#msg119969)
http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/instinctoanopsology/gcb-eating-meat-is-harmful/msg120277/#msg120277 (http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/instinctoanopsology/gcb-eating-meat-is-harmful/msg120277/#msg120277)
I also don't know if the reverse holds true--if someone who's eating a diet high in diverse plant foods would be better off receiving their lipids from ingesting animal fat and avoiding many plant foods. Jeff Leach actually tested it out to a certain degree by necessity and you can interpret the results for yourself:
Jeff Leach's New Orleans to Desert (High fiber vs Low fiber) GI microbiome results
http://humanfoodproject.com/going-feral-one-year-journey-acquire-healthiest-gut-microbiome-world-heard (http://humanfoodproject.com/going-feral-one-year-journey-acquire-healthiest-gut-microbiome-world-heard)
He also raised concerns about it:
Can a high fat Paleo Diet cause obesity and diabetes? Maybe, unless
Posted by Jeff Leach on 24 Jun 2012
http://humanfoodproject.com/can-a-high-fat-paleo-diet-cause-obesity-and-diabetes (http://humanfoodproject.com/can-a-high-fat-paleo-diet-cause-obesity-and-diabetes)
Sorry low carbers, your microbiome is just not that into you
Posted by Jeff Leach on 26 Jun 2013 in Human Food Project | 18 comments
http://humanfoodproject.com/sorry-low-carbers-your-microbiome-is-just-not-that-into-you (http://humanfoodproject.com/sorry-low-carbers-your-microbiome-is-just-not-that-into-you)
This is not about proving anything, it's about asking questions, keeping an open mind, considering other possibilities beyond VLC/keto doctrine, and checking a variety of sources.
When someone mentions problems with various versions of allegedly "Paleo" diets, a common refrain at this forum and others where there is some degree of LC leaning is to recommend "eat more fat" to anyone and for just about any problem. A Global Moderator at Cavemanforum.com used to have a forum signature that said: "The answer to your question is eat more fat." More and more people are starting to question that blanket prescription.
You're right about feed lots. If Leach is right about diet biodiversity being generally beneficial, then that would also fit nicely with ecological biodiversity.
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I do not really believe in fiber for gut health at all.
I do high heart. Full of bacteria.. and tastes great too
Then, I do fish head smoothies. Lots of bacteria there too...
I eat wild herbs from the ground, I never wash them. Or dirty carrots from the garden in summer time.
My gut health was not good when I believed in the fiber dogma. It as really bad and I had to take enemas all the time and I had bloating and stuff... and I ate lots of cassia fistula. Yeah. After I ditched fruit and veggies i am loving my gut,... it just do not bother me.... and I am not constipated, I go every morning like clock work. I need no enemas, no cassia... my gut is just happy :)
cheers :)
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Cassia fistula didn't agree with me either. Good to hear of your continued success. :)
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I'm honestly at a point that I think it's a fluctuation from fruits, starch, vegetables and etc..it's seasonal, it's dependent on what they can get at the moment and what's around them.
Possibly there's a large part of it being genetics as well, such as some people are better at digesting fiber and some people better at meat after generations/ epigenetics.
However, I do think that on a large scale, all things sort of work out evenly..
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Any recommendation on faster healing of skin? it's hurting me like crap..And I'm not quite sure where to go from here again..My skin health got me tunnel visioned and I'd really love some guidance..
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Was going to go downtown and check for probiotics to go with my prebiotics that i've purchased already. Thought it'd be cheaper without having to pay for shipping..
Current strategy - Upping calorie intake (eat as much as I feel like), Raw food only
Detoxes from GS instructions. (Egg yolk liver flushes..Testing it atm)
Keep warm by drinking hot ginger tea..
Garlic for further liver detox
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Not sleeping well at all..Inflammation still spreading everywhere.
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And thanks for all the sharing of information..I really appreciate it.
I'm not doing this just for myself either..I want the future generations to come never have to go through what I had.
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I do not really believe in fiber for gut health at all.
I do high heart. Full of bacteria.. and tastes great too
Then, I do fish head smoothies. Lots of bacteria there too...
I eat wild herbs from the ground, I never wash them. Or dirty carrots from the garden in summer time.
My gut health was not good when I believed in the fiber dogma. It as really bad and I had to take enemas all the time and I had bloating and stuff... and I ate lots of cassia fistula. Yeah. After I ditched fruit and veggies i am loving my gut,... it just do not bother me.... and I am not constipated, I go every morning like clock work. I need no enemas, no cassia... my gut is just happy :)
cheers :)
(http://i57.tinypic.com/5n63qp.jpg)
Inger, I'm wondering; if you experimented with leaving veggies in your diet while removing fruit. You do mention wild greens, which I do in the form of dandelion greens, and sea weeds,, both of which are good sources for gut fermentation. I also like radishes, some kales, celery, sun chokes, cucumber and others.
I think the difference might be in making a whole big meal repeatedly out of salad, and eating fruit often, vs. nibbling on wild or separate sources of greens or other veggies.
Regarding Cassia. I am wondering you how you did it? Did you take one or two on an empty stomach and wait some time before eating? And then add one more each day until things started moving. Here's a funny story; before I went to Montrame for the first time and didn't have much knowledge about instincto,, I ordered some cassia sticks. I thought the instructions were to eat till there was a stop. Here's the wild part; I ate the discs and swallowed them, not knowing you are supposed to suck off the coating only. I ate one whole stick. I then went straight away to the gym and it hit me there. Boy between the sharp broken pieces of discs and the many many discs in a whole large stick, I was in trouble for a whole day. But since then for quite some time I found them to be quite cleansing. I was never constipated, they just seemed to cleanse deep within the body. A couple of times while traveling and haven eaten something bad, they really pulled me through. Hence the question about how you used them.
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Thanks Phil, I'll take a close look at your references.
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Van, Your sentiments largely fit with what I mentioned above and what I have mentioned before--that there's still much to learn and no guarantee that the particular things that Leach is doing are best for everyone and that he embraces fatty foods. I recall him saying his diet was both high in fat and fermentable fiber (though he didn't specify fat grams or %, and I doubt he has calculated it, so his sense of it could be off). Also, my mention of this or that person or their research isn't intended to suggest guru worship or prescribe for others (as I explained with Ray Peat), just spark curiosity and discussion.
I already provided the results of LC Paleoists Brent Pottenger and Laura Schoenfeld vs ex-VLC Paleoist Tatertot Tim Steele, as well as Jeff Leach's data on LCers and his own high-fiber vs low-fiber results:
http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/instinctoanopsology/gcb-eating-meat-is-harmful/msg119969/#msg119969 (http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/instinctoanopsology/gcb-eating-meat-is-harmful/msg119969/#msg119969)
http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/instinctoanopsology/gcb-eating-meat-is-harmful/msg120277/#msg120277 (http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/instinctoanopsology/gcb-eating-meat-is-harmful/msg120277/#msg120277)
I also don't know if the reverse holds true--if someone who's eating a diet high in diverse plant foods would be better off receiving their lipids from ingesting animal fat and avoiding many plant foods. Jeff Leach actually tested it out to a certain degree by necessity and you can interpret the results for yourself:
Jeff Leach's New Orleans to Desert (High fiber vs Low fiber) GI microbiome results
http://humanfoodproject.com/going-feral-one-year-journey-acquire-healthiest-gut-microbiome-world-heard (http://humanfoodproject.com/going-feral-one-year-journey-acquire-healthiest-gut-microbiome-world-heard)
He also raised concerns about it:
Can a high fat Paleo Diet cause obesity and diabetes? Maybe, unless
Posted by Jeff Leach on 24 Jun 2012
http://humanfoodproject.com/can-a-high-fat-paleo-diet-cause-obesity-and-diabetes (http://humanfoodproject.com/can-a-high-fat-paleo-diet-cause-obesity-and-diabetes)
Sorry low carbers, your microbiome is just not that into you
Posted by Jeff Leach on 26 Jun 2013 in Human Food Project | 18 comments
http://humanfoodproject.com/sorry-low-carbers-your-microbiome-is-just-not-that-into-you (http://humanfoodproject.com/sorry-low-carbers-your-microbiome-is-just-not-that-into-you)
This is not about proving anything, it's about asking questions, keeping an open mind, considering other possibilities beyond VLC/keto doctrine, and checking a variety of sources.
When someone mentions problems with various versions of allegedly "Paleo" diets, a common refrain at this forum and others where there is some degree of LC leaning is to recommend "eat more fat" to anyone and for just about any problem. A Global Moderator at Cavemanforum.com used to have a forum signature that said: "The answer to your question is eat more fat." More and more people are starting to question that blanket prescription.
You're right about feed lots. If Leach is right about diet biodiversity being generally beneficial, then that would also fit nicely with ecological biodiversity.
Just read the article about high fat leading to diabetes,,,
I get frustrated with articles like this one. First it uses mice to 'indicate' we people would react the same way. There are so Many variables here. What fat source were the mice fed? Was it rancid or oxidized. What fat group was it from. What other foods did the mice consume with it, suggesting there might have been substantial binding of fat and sugar present in the blood, thus causing inflammation all by itself. Were the mice in an environment where they could exercise and self regulate food intake? And of course fat has probably never been a major source of fuel for mice to begin with, as has been indicated for humans.
My point is I do believe there's much benefit to gut biome, but I think when cherry picked articles like this are used to promote.. it can read similar to the articles why vegetarianism is king.
I'll read more later.
But, to the suggestion made by that forum leader,, 'eat more fat'. I think it may have great benefits, because, most eat way Too much protein in the beginning which is quite toxic in the long run, and will cause all sorts of problems. But I do like eat as much fat that appeals to you, eat moderate amounts of protein, and nibble on prebiotics throughout the day,, a lot better.
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Quite honestly I don't even think carb content matter as much as the type of carb
Genetics is probably the biggest factor here - How strong is the digestive system for that person? How good is he tolerated with various pathogens and gut bacteria? How fast can he eliminate those pathogens and LPS within the system..?
It's most likely people who have came to this forum are all people with sub-optimal genetics incompatible with the modern lifestyle, which is high carb +/- fiber part, moderate or high fat (usually bad fat such as omega-6, trans-fat) , and develop all sorts of problem.
When you see people walking around with their SAD diet and having absolutely no problem, just intrigues me how genetic variation can be such a contribution.
So likewise, it's totally possible that some of us are better at ZC, low-carb, high carb, high fiber..whatsoever..dependent on gut flora content.
This carb debate always seem to strike me as something we probably won't solve and unlikely to be solved soon enough. I guess looking at energy requirement in your body for glucose and how much by default your body converts fat/protein into glucose may help us understand that part - sort of like the paul jaminent approach, if you've read the carb part of his book.
I almost think of it as various purposes for each diet - if you do exercise on the regular, having no carbohydrate in your diet (ZC/Low Carb) seem to be a problem, as you'll lack energy
While at the same time, there are odd cases where a bodybuilder has advocated ZC approach to body building, then carb loading on the weekends. Regardless of what people view bodybuilding as - it is one of the extreme sports where people actually have to be at utmost health shape to participate in (speaking of those who use no drugs of course) I've yet to seen someone who've achieve real consistent progress without injuries and good lean gains if they're eating crappy.
All I really wanted to say is, I really doubt carb content is the problem here - even though it's such a heated topic in this forum or other paleo forum. Your body does have innate mechanism to make up for it if you eat enough calorie from protein + fat..so only role carb control has in place is therapeutic usage. Again, sort of how people have been using it anyways. Some people use ZC to get rid of cancer (went on mainstream with the Ketogenic diet of bacon, butter, eggs etc), some people use mod-high carb to deal with temperature issues.
The variance really tells one thing - My theory is that it doesn't matter as much as we make a deal of it to be.
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I agree, and, I also say for those who want to know what carbs or sugar is doing to their insulin or blood sugar levels, and what effect that may have long term on health, there is plenty of information to discover and ponder, if not test for one self. But one has to be able to allow for change. I for one, for many years bought up the notion if it's fruit, or if it's raw, the sugar or carbs won't hurt you.
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But I do like eat as much fat that appeals to you, eat moderate amounts of protein, and nibble on prebiotics throughout the day,, a lot better.
This appears to actually fit with Jeff Leach's approach. Agreement is not required, but it's interesting and welcome when it occurs.
Quite honestly I don't even think carb content matter as much as the type of carb
Genetics is probably the biggest factor here - How strong is the digestive system for that person? How good is he tolerated with various pathogens and gut bacteria? How fast can he eliminate those pathogens and LPS within the system..?
Yes, you made some good points, such as these, if I may paraphrase them to summarize:
1) There are "good" carbs as well as "bad" carbs (more precisely, there are good carby foods as well as bad ones), just as you and Gary Taubes suggested that there are "good" fats as well as "bad" fats (and this is partly dependent on the overall balances).
2) How badly carbs impact you depends in part on how robust/antifragile you are to shocks from stressors like too much bad carbs at one blow (due to how strong the digestive, microbial, mitochondrial and other systems are).
3) (A corrolary to #2) It's not just important how many toxins you consume, but also how well your sytem works to detoxify them. So we should look at the whole systemic picture, not just toxin avoidance.
While genetics is a factor, the 90% of the genes in your body that are in microbes may be more important than the 10% that are in your cells. Plus, changeable epigenetics and horizontal gene transfer may be more important than fixed genetics.
Again, sort of how people have been using it anyways. Some people use ZC to get rid of cancer (went on mainstream with the Ketogenic diet of bacon, butter, eggs etc), some people use mod-high carb to deal with temperature issues.
Ketogenic diets are not a slam-dunk treatment for all cancers. It came out that some cancer cells may also feed on ketones, and thus ketogenic diets are not recommended for certain forms of cancer. You won't often see this disclosed by LC advocates, though Dr. Eugene Fine, cancer researcher at Albert Einstein College of Medicine and LC diet advocate who uses a ketogenic diet as a therapy, did candidly acknowledge the issue:
"Some cancers may indeed depend on ketone bodies. Our hypothesis, in fact states that some cancers may be adapted to the effects of carb restriction, including ketosis (i.e. may continue to grow), and others may be vulnerable to ketosis." http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/do-ketones-fuel-cancer-the-low-carb-experts-respond/10124 (http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/do-ketones-fuel-cancer-the-low-carb-experts-respond/10124)
Recent research has been investigating this issue:
Ketone body utilization by breast and prostate tumors
Simon Authier1, Sebastien Tremblay1, Veronique Dumulon1, Celena Dubuc1, Rene Ouellet1, Roger Lecomte1, Stephen Cunnane2 and Francois Benard1
J Nucl Med. 2007; 48 (Supplement 2):340P
http://tinyurl.com/p5js8xh (http://tinyurl.com/p5js8xh)
Ketones and lactate "fuel" tumor growth and metastasis: Evidence that epithelial cancer cells use oxidative mitochondrial metabolism.
Bonuccelli G1, Tsirigos A, Whitaker-Menezes D, Pavlides S, Pestell RG, Chiavarina B, Frank PG, Flomenberg N, Howell A, Martinez-Outschoorn UE, Sotgia F, Lisanti MP.
Cell Cycle. 2010 Sep 1;9(17):3506-14. Epub 2010 Sep 21.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20818174 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20818174)
New studies explain how cancer cells 'eat us alive'
Sep 01, 2010
http://www.physorg.com/news202553643.html (http://www.physorg.com/news202553643.html)
"Four key studies now propose a new theory about how cancer cells grow and survive, allowing researchers to design better diagnostics and therapies to target high-risk cancer patients. These studies were conducted by a large team of researchers at Thomas Jefferson University’s Kimmel Cancer Center."
A lactate shuttle system between tumour and stromal cells is associated with poor prognosis in prostate cancer.
Pértega-Gomes N, Vizcaíno JR, Attig J, Jurmeister S, Lopes C, Baltazar F1.
BMC Cancer. 2014 May 21;14:352. doi: 10.1186/1471-2407-14-352.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24886074 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24886074)
The reverse warburg effect in osteosarcoma.
Oncotarget. 2014 Sep 30;5(18):7982-3.
Sotgia F1, Martinez-Outschoorn UE, Lisanti MP1.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25327555 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25327555)
A reverse Warburg metabolism in oral squamous cell carcinoma is not dependent upon myofibroblasts.
Jensen DH1, Therkildsen MH, Dabelsteen E.
J Oral Pathol Med. 2014 Nov 25. doi: 10.1111/jop.12297.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25420473 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25420473)
I agree, and, I also say for those who want to know what carbs or sugar is doing to their insulin or blood sugar levels, and what effect that may have long term on health, there is plenty of information to discover and ponder, if not test for one self. But one has to be able to allow for change. I for one, for many years bought up the notion if it's fruit, or if it's raw, the sugar or carbs won't hurt you.
And I would add one of Iguana's favorite heuristic's--Claude Bernard's "the terrain is everything." It's a bit of an exaggeration, but how harmful or beneficial the fruit or sugar is depends in great measure on how well equipped the terrain/milieu/environment/habitat (pH of the intestines, GI microbiome, mitochondria, cell fitness, genetics, epigenetics, and so on) is to handle it. The hypothesis is that if you can find a way to improve that terrain, then fewer carby foods will be harmful for you and those that are still harmful will be less so.
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Update - Was going to do 2nd day of Egg Yolk Liver flush and test it out, then realize I ran out of lemons.
I can't get good quality sleep at all..waking up in the middle of the night because of scratching..eczema is literally spreading everywhere for me and the wounds keep trying to heal, while it's too dry and itchy that I end up scratching them all off .
I've already got a humidifier and I'm doing a raw diet now. The inflammation isn't stopping, and my skin is getting drier and drier
Maybe it's the die off effect, or whatever that systemic circulation of toxins from the die off pathogens
Or maybe i've lost my recovering ability? I don't god damn know
I'm on the edge and the rubber band is so tight it's gonna snap soon.
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Upping my fat content and making my meat order again tomorrow, Getting 25 Lbs for the Winter..What should I get? I'll try to get as much fatty meat as possible but I remember hearing from you guys that suet is a bad idea..
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Diet for the day: 1lb of fatty ground beef
Beef liver (as much as I want up to 1 lb)
2 Marrow Bones
Sweet Potatos
X cutting out citrus fruit for now..
Iodine 900-1000mcg from NOW
Blue Ice + High Vitamin Butter Oil
Vitamin D3 (5000 IU)
Had some green tea yesterday and might have some today to keep myself sane..or just ginger tea.
My brain isn't functioning right..I'm feeling the mental stress build up from academics + this is going to snap me very soon in half ..Something has got to be wrong in my diet or something..The inflammation just isn't stopping..
The Liver flush didn't give me much coming out..but I also only did one without an enema after so I can't be sure about that
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Going to downtown and buy some supplements today for Colon + Liver aid..that's my target now..
Suggestions ?
I'm thinking something like castor oil+ NAC supplement(for liver detox) + Vitamin D3 + Compare probiotic prices
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Restricting diet time frame to 12-8pm to encourage fasting (autophagy) so I'm only eating in between 12-8, probably 2 big meals. Other times only water/ Green Tea...
How did I do this last time..?
1st time Full cooked paleo diet over 6 months..
2nd time raw + Cooked paleo mix over 2-3 months, Vitamin D3 + LBB capsule formula + Some psyillium husk..
3rd time - This was just some fluctuation in symptoms due to a job in the kitchen, so I ditched the job, cut down on alcohol a whole lot then got well..
4th time (this time) - Going raw paleo diet (raw marrow bone + ground beef + roast cut + Liver) except cooked sweet potato right now..Fruits are ranging from pears, clementine to bananas and lemons. cutting fruits out for now?
Supplementing with Vitamin D3 + Blue Ice Fish oil + butter oil + Kelp and Dulse for Iodine
Where do i go from here?
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Well.... I would say;
stop the iodine. I got real bad detox from it once and after that I am careful. I am not saying it can be useful but I would just go for raw seafood and seaweed. Way safer and better. I see no seafood in your menu...? You need DHA... helps the skin heal too. You really need to load on oysters, mussels, fatty wild caught fish.......
Stop vit D supps if you are really not sure what you are doing. They can make stuff worse.......... especially in a heavy nnEMF environment. If you can find a UVB tanning bed you could try that, it makes vitD though the skin... and even better... do tanning if it is possible where you live. Nude tanning is very healing.
Cut the sugar (fruit)
No fish oil... but real raw seafood instead.
How is you nnEMF (non native electromagnetic fields) situation?
Do you live in a city?
How is it at work?
Do you use the computer much, are there wifi signals where you live and sleep?
Are you spending time out in the nature, in the woods.... are you going early to bed or are you staying up long in front of artificial lights?
Are you drinking plenty of good quality well/spring water (glass bottles only!)?
It is not only the food..................
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I agree with Inger.
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I also agree with inger. Cut fruit and iodine and make sure you are getting a full range if fats.' iodine is very harsh and I believe too concentrated a dose might also kill off beneficial bacteria. Have tried aging meats yet? What is your reaction to raw dairy, if you have a source? Could you make yogurt? My boyfriend is healing from horrible rosacea and has some psoriasis on the scalp, which are different symptoms but I believe they arise from similar causes and adding raw milk has helped his skin improve, it went from tight, inflamed and dry/flaking to much more supple, the inflamation is almost gone and it only flakes in the places that are still healing. He has suffered from horrible constipation in his life and now proudly proclaims he is having "shits that should be worshiped". I think the stress from school is probably causing you as much trouble as anything right now. Do you get a break soon??
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Well.... I would say;
It is not only the food..................
I'll go from the top to bottom..
I'm in the middle of Ontario where there's basically limited possibility of seafood (either farmed, or really expensive wild caught fish that's not even fatty)
Mussels taste bad unless I cook them. Salmon are farmed
I might try to get some seaweed from the Asian store but this town is so westernized that I can barely get anything like seafood from good source..(the only reasonable priced and convenient is the supermarket, but at the same time it's just all frozen anyways..)
I'm in university right now, sharing an apartment that has Wifi always turned on. I'm barely getting any sunlight because it's so cold out and I could barely move with my aching body. I try to go out but I'm also very busy because I couldn't concentrate at work at all the whole term from life stress..so one thing leading to another I have a lot to catch up on right now.
And ya, tanning is right out of the question. I could barely go out and not die in the cold winter, let alone nude tan.
I guess if Iodine is what you guys think should be stopped I'll cut that out and see how it works. same for Vitamin D.
Re Jessica
I don't have a source for raw dairy here, I've tried.
Neither do I really am good at tolerating dairy anyways. I'll try again when I have time to look for raw milk I guess.
I wish I can get some seafood here but that's almost certainly out of the option.All I can get here is frozen sea food if i remember coorectly...even the ones that aren't frozen are just thawed out seafood Oysters are selling at almost enough for 4-5 lbs of meat.
Should I still get frozen sea food (wild caught) then? or even farmed?
what about those mussels that taste bad when raw but taste fine when cooked?
How beneficial is oyster going to be..I'm still a student so i don't have that much money
nnEMF is horrible for me because I really could not have it any other way. I live with 2 other people that has wifi up all the time anyways. I have electronic plugs near my bed as well. I can move them around but I try to put the humidifier right beside me so I get the room up to more humidity .
Basically I'm really in the city, and I don't get to go out much really. I'm just not even in the shape to go out..
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I'll try to get some seafood sources..or raw milk..or whatever..tanning bed doesn't seem like plausible for me in short term.
I'll try to find some seaweed at the chinese store too.
my body is literally crumbling to pieces and my mind isn't even working right..
I'm basically moving from my bed to my desk and working, or sleeping. I was out briefly yesterday for some social stuff but other than that I don't go out much.
Water
I'm drinking the crappy tap water as of now with chloride and flourine and stuff..the spring water is way out of budget here..if I buy spring water they come in plastic..If i buy glass spring water it's way more money..I'll go broke in 1 month doing that.
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I'm almost out of meat too so i'm making another order, i'll try to get something better and higher fat.
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Badboy. Your situation is horrible. Now I do not wonder at all the raw paleo does not work for you. It is not the food.
If you cant move out of the city right now, do what else you can do.
I would suggest;
Eat the frozen seafood. You need iodine and DHA.. and all the other minerals too. Eat the cooked mussels. I do to at time, no problems. Sure raw oysters are way better but cooked mussels are still very good for you. Even canned sardines in olive oil or canned mackerel would be better as nothing. Just ditch the oil. But frozen seafood sure is better as canned i would say. That you can eat raw too. I have had thawed raw fish many many times and it is ok. Fresh is better but we have to do what we can. Farmed salmon is better as meat is for you now, I am sure. You need fatty fish.
Can you get reverse osmosis water cheaper? Tap water with fluoride and chlorine is too bad. You need to find something better.
I somehow get the feeling you will have to choose poor health and your life style (university) or then change everything... leave the city and get healthy. You do not even imagine how bad the EMF situation has gotten in the cities... and if your redox is not strong (your health is weaker) you might really get to suffer no mater what you eat.
You need to get some real light in your eyes in the morning. Can you open the window and stare into the sky as the sun rises? One minute? You need to come out in fresh air. It is horrible to stay inside 24/7. You need to go out in a park nearby or if there is a forest, better.
Do you sleep alone in your room so you at least can shut off all electronics in the night? You really need to do that.
Badboy.. I worry about you. Your situation is real bad. Shitty water. OMG. Good water is so important. Especially with nnEMF as they are drying your cells out. You cannot rehydrate with dead, poisonous water! Bad environment. Really bad., Canada is one of the worst countries with the nnEMF craze.
You need the cold more than anything. It will protect somehow from the damage of the nnEMF. Keep windows open in your room, keep it as chilly as you can tolerate. Take cold showers... at least in the end after the warm one. You will adapt slowly.
Shut off artificial lights in your room at night. Use candles or red lamps. Use blue blockesr to filter out blue light if you are on the computer. Use f.lux. on the ´screen on darkest setting, always. Go early to bed.
There is a lot you can do as you see, but IDK how much it will help in that bad an environment. I am sure it will help some. I still would move.
Summary;
Keep it cold. You need cold.
You need it dark too. And to go early to bed. This is a very important point.
Eat ketogenic, lots of fat, lots of seafood, even cooked if no other available. If you can tolerate ketogenic diet it is best but you need to drink a lot of water too... and good water. Some people cant do ketogenic if their mitocondria are shot, that is. So if it does not work at all add some carbs. Until you are better. But in a high nnEMF environment ketogenic diet is the best choice.
Go outside whenever you can, and look up in the sky,m with no glasses on. 1 minute each morning too.
Your body is totally in chaos it cannot read the signals from the environment anymore.. that is when we get sick. So you need to help it. The things above will help...
If it does not help enough then you need to find a better place to live. There always is a way. Sometimes bad things can lead us into something real good - do not be scared. I have experienced this many times :) :) :)
Do not look at you class mates... who are looking healthy..... we are all so different. Some people will break down in situations where others not. We need to know ourselves and our needs. I know, I could never live in a city. I have arranged my life so I am close to nature, away from much nnEMF... because to me it is huge for health. Maybe you will have to think all new, and chose a different path. It is not easy but possible. What do we have if our health is crashed?
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Update - Was going to do 2nd day of Egg Yolk Liver flush and test it out, then realize I ran out of lemons.
I can't get good quality sleep at all..waking up in the middle of the night because of scratching..eczema is literally spreading everywhere for me and the wounds keep trying to heal, while it's too dry and itchy that I end up scratching them all off .
I've already got a humidifier and I'm doing a raw diet now. The inflammation isn't stopping, and my skin is getting drier and drier
Maybe it's the die off effect, or whatever that systemic circulation of toxins from the die off pathogens
Or maybe i've lost my recovering ability? I don't god damn know
I'm on the edge and the rubber band is so tight it's gonna snap soon.
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Upping my fat content and making my meat order again tomorrow, Getting 25 Lbs for the Winter..What should I get? I'll try to get as much fatty meat as possible but I remember hearing from you guys that suet is a bad idea..
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Diet for the day: 1lb of fatty ground beef
Beef liver (as much as I want up to 1 lb)
2 Marrow Bones
Sweet Potatos
X cutting out citrus fruit for now..
Iodine 900-1000mcg from NOW
Blue Ice + High Vitamin Butter Oil
Vitamin D3 (5000 IU)
Had some green tea yesterday and might have some today to keep myself sane..or just ginger tea.
My brain isn't functioning right..I'm feeling the mental stress build up from academics + this is going to snap me very soon in half ..Something has got to be wrong in my diet or something..The inflammation just isn't stopping..
The Liver flush didn't give me much coming out..but I also only did one without an enema after so I can't be sure about that
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Going to downtown and buy some supplements today for Colon + Liver aid..that's my target now..
Suggestions ?
I'm thinking something like castor oil+ NAC supplement(for liver detox) + Vitamin D3 + Compare probiotic prices
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Restricting diet time frame to 12-8pm to encourage fasting (autophagy) so I'm only eating in between 12-8, probably 2 big meals. Other times only water/ Green Tea...
How did I do this last time..?
1st time Full cooked paleo diet over 6 months..
2nd time raw + Cooked paleo mix over 2-3 months, Vitamin D3 + LBB capsule formula + Some psyillium husk..
3rd time - This was just some fluctuation in symptoms due to a job in the kitchen, so I ditched the job, cut down on alcohol a whole lot then got well..
4th time (this time) - Going raw paleo diet (raw marrow bone + ground beef + roast cut + Liver) except cooked sweet potato right now..Fruits are ranging from pears, clementine to bananas and lemons. cutting fruits out for now?
Supplementing with Vitamin D3 + Blue Ice Fish oil + butter oil + Kelp and Dulse for Iodine
Where do i go from here?
"1lb of fatty ground beef
Beef liver (as much as I want up to 1 lb) [guessing 1/2 lb]
2 Marrow Bones
Sweet Potatoes [guessing 2]
X cutting out citrus fruit for now..
Iodine 900-1000mcg from NOW
Blue Ice + High Vitamin Butter Oil [using 1 tsp of CLO as a rough approximation]"
Without including Vitamin D3, that comes out to roughly the following, per Fitday:
Fat (56%)
Carbs (8%) [very low percentage-wise, and extremely low in grams/calories]
Protein (36%) [quite high, percentage-wise]
Total calories: 1,725 [still very low for an adult male]
Biodiversity: extremely limited if it continues like this
What were you doing when you did the best ever in the past? Have you considered going back to that as a decent baseline starting point to return to, given that what you're doing now doesn't seem to be working?
You have nearly every symptom in the book associated with negative effects from low-calorie VLC. The problem is, if your ability to metabolize carbs and prebiotics (via mitochondria and GI microbiota) got badly screwed up, it can be a long road back.
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Yes to cold.
I recently met up with a new healer and he was discussing cold as good for eczema.
City Tap water is never for drinking! *** Must fix now.
Get yourself one of those high tech gravity filters that remove chemicals and dirt to make the water potable (we have that at home).
We also order from the water store at times.
And i also buy mineral water.
You do sound really sick, you probably need to have a break, go on a healing retreat / vacation. I did. My bro did. Many people at that stage did.
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Tap Water: It's the city's responsibility to deliver a low-bacteria water; it is your responsibility to make that water safe to drink. One reason you don't want to drink tap water is because the chlorine in it will kill the good bacteria in your gut. Another reason that tap water is not for drinking is because the chlorine and fluoride mess up some of your body's basic cell functions.
Cold Therapy: If you don't want to go for a polar swim, you can still get some benefit with cold water in a tub or shower. Even a cold shower spray from the waist down is good beginner style. There are also instructions online for cold therapy with a bowl of ice cube and water.
City Living: I live in a large city, and have done so for most of my life. I'm sure my health has suffered from the ambient stressors, but one thing I have to tell you is that IF you are going to stay in a city, you must learn how to meditate. How much? Keep practicing until you can go through school and exams without thinking that they are stressful. (They aren't!) As the saying goes, "The best way to learn how to meditate is to practice at an inner-city bus-stop at rush hour."
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Meditation is great too as Eveheart says
and yeah... does not need to be polar swim..lol Just any cold is good... just to keep it a bit cooler in your home, less clothes...
I try to always be at the edge of my comfort zone. Works really well for me. Never over dress.. but rather a bit under dress.
And then I dip in ice water or cold water every day. But just shortly.
I sleep in the horse barn in the garden... because there comes no wifi signals. I have made it into a nice bedroom, cleaned it, a carpet, a bed.... It is not heated and tonight was freezing temps. But I have thick covers. I love to sleep in cold.. it is just amazing My boyfriend does not understand. He thinks I am crazy to sleep in a horse barn..hehe.. I do not care. So I always sleep there when I am alone. It is pretty magic to me.
I guess the sicker you are the more you need the cold........... quite the opposite as most people think.
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Been sleeping all day..my body is like telling me that I need repairing but because of this I'm very behind on my assignment and my exam. Well..good luck to me god knows how bad this is going to affect me.
Constipation all day couldn't get any BM even though I really feel like going.
Woke up, read all your replies and still couldn't get my head straight..I'm reading so much conflicting stuff..
Low carb? not low carb? high carb..? Avoid sugar or not avoid sugar? WTF..
Does it matter? Or does it not? Ketogenic to kill candida or multiple carb sources to encourage gut flora..?
I'm so confused....
Re: What has worked for me before.
1st Time through was cooked paleo and basically just doing that and a lot of Sun Tanning (I used to live on the country side of the city, not really a country side thou) , taking omega-3 + vitamin D3 ..Didn't really do much with colon cleansing or etc...I was pretty much winging the cooked paleo style, pretty much just cutting out gluten, and that's it..Got well in 6 months..
2nd Time, Rebound after 1 year of living in University student housing with provided food. Didn't adhere to any protocol and by the end of the 8 month period eczema start coming back and full blown out when I got back home..Took care of it by going strictly cooked paleo again, but it stayed with me with 50-70% gone throughout 2012-2013 School Year..Full blown again when I got back to HK in 2013 Summer and started another trend of party lifestyle. Said fuck it and went full RPD under budget. Ate a lot of mussels + raw lamb + other meat and stuff.
Supplementation of the time - Vitamin D3 + Christopher's LBB formula + Psyillium husk (barely used it) and zeolite (barely used it)
3rd time - 3rd year of University Life I had some fluctuation period but so far not much issue, remaining at fluctuations of 70-80% recovered with dry skin. Ate minimal gluten but still pretty much had a really bad health lifestyle. Went completely SAD eating during Christmas time of 2013 - Lost about 10-15 lbs at least. Ate a lot of SAD food such as Poutine ..Body didn't react as much though and remained relatively stable throughout the year..Fluctuating
2014 Summer I worked at a really stressful job at a Korean BBQ restaurant which gave me early signs of break out and I started contemplating quitting the job. I couldn't take the stress at one point and quit after working for less than a week. Then I went back to cooked paleo to resolve my eczema. Supplementation included nothing much other than Vitamin D3 (due to lack of sunlight) ..
Ironically I ate out a lot and didn't have the best food I can have (Preservative + MSG filled asian restaurants most of the time, and drinking + smoking)
Weirdly I was in the best shape this summer, coming in with almost the clearest I've had in a long time for my skin. I took a blurry photo and I had basically no eczema other than dry skin..which I was trying really hard to get resolved, but multiple goals got me distracted..
Then..Life threw me a lot of curveballs..So many I don't know where to start..And one thing led to another, I had some minor breakouts starting from Mid-november, Late november had even more to about 50% outbreak and now, almost 80-90% outbreak..
And now, that's why I'm here again..
Re Water
There's virtually nothing I can do now until I save up for a water system..Or add in buying water as budget..Is there more beneficial part of money I should be investing in, instead of water..? I'm also moving in half a year so I don't know if buying a water system would be worth anything..
Re Seafood
I'll try to add that in.
Re Supplementation
I'll reduce supplementation to zero first and see how I react once I start introducing them in again..
Re Coldness in room
This might contribute to my intense itching I guess..It was sort of aggravated by itching and how hot my body was burning...then that made me itch even more..i guess I'll turn down the heater and bring in more fresh air..that's going to be freezing cold in the morning though..oh wells lets do this..
Re Meditation
Yes, I do agree. I should have stayed with meditative practice since I've learnt it when I was 15-16. Would've helped me so much more in life by now. I do have to thank meditation for getting me out of depression several times..
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Probably going to order probiotics with my prebiotics that I've ordered already..Let's gamble..let's try this gut flora strategy..
I'm stuck against the wall anyways. Why the hell not.
Meanwhile I'll try my best to adhere to a raw paleo diet with optional cooked sweet potato/ cooked mussels
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Today's food
1lb of cooked ground beef + 2 onions + 2 clove of garlic fried in medium heat..( I was feeling so stressed I couldn't even bring myself to eat..this is a coping mechanism I guess..)
1 Sweet Potato + 1 Pear
Magnesium drink 1 cup
No supplements
2 Cup of apple juice (Weird sign of carb craving? maybe..)
A lot of bloating + constipation today..No BM even though I tried..Brain Fog + Lack of concentration due to scratching
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I believe WATER is your most critical problem.
You must move heaven and earth to drink for yourself CLEAN POTABLE WATER.
City Tap Water is NOT Potable.
Listen to Eve's discussion, listen to Inger about water.
The Water Company's job is to deliver low bacteria water.
It is the end user's job to prepare the water to be drinkable.
We never ever drink from the tap in our home, nor in our office. Everyone here knows that. I have to provide potable store bought water for my own employees in my office.
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Ketogenic AND multiple RESISTANT carb sources to encourage gut flora
Have zero cooked carbs.
On waking drink 3 glasses of refreshing cold brewed green & chamomile tea, including drinking the leaves (simply add a couple of teaspoons of tea leaves to a jug of water & leave in the fridge).
Do energy exercises, such as QiGong, yoga or meditation to gather and focus your Qi - your personal energy field with intention.
For breakfast have several raw vegetables to create optimum bowel conditions for beneficial microbe communities, covering a rage of plant species throughout the week: weeds, carrots with leaves, bok choi, cabbage, beet root with leaves, spinach, swede with leaves, sweet potato, onion, turmeric, celery with leaves, potato starch powder, psyllium husk, seaweed, red cabbage, garlic, parsnip, herbs, cauliflower with leaves and stalk, edible flowers, beans, peas etc
For lunch eat raw animal food as desired. (I like making jars of inch square meat salad with chopped fish, offal, fatty mince, eggs, seaweed, and salt)
Get some natural movement exercise, fresh air & sunshine.
You probably don't need more food than that.
If more food was desired then you are best to keep to raw paleo or at least clean cooked paleo without dairy (butter OK).
You could also try a little fruit, especially berries and lower sugar varieties, and in hotter weather.
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Conflicting indeed. It's why you have to find what works for you - which is hard to impossible to do if the situation is rather bad.
Low or medium carb, drop fruits or limit their consumption (because generally too much fiber, too much sugar - they mess up the gut and thus nutrient absorption).
Definitely avoid processed sugars and excess sugars in general. Though I think honey could be good for you, considering your state and the fact it is easy for the body to use, and has many positive effects.
You can still have a ketogenic diet while consuming some amounts of carbs, but as others have said there are other factors that play a significant part.
There are different types of carbs, some spike blood sugar - the bad ones, others don't, try to find those that don't. And then those that your body doesn't use but your gut flora does - get these as well.
I know buckwheat is one source that doesn't spike blood sugar.
Mental and emotional stress play a significant role as well, as they effect the body a lot. Considering you are in school with exams, it must be rather stressful, especially with the accompanying health problems. It - school - could, probably is, one of the the primary reasons why you have problems this bad.
Doing jobs that you hate - stressful jobs, school included - is a sign that you don't really know who you are or what to do with your life. Lack of resolution of self creates stress. You need to know who you are and the world you live in.
One thing I can say for certain: you don't need school. You really don't, no one does. Schools aren't meant for making a person become "more" or educating a person, they are meant to keep people in small stress-ridden boxes. But it's the values people are raised with and they come to know and live in, even if they are lies - because that's all they know, until they discover otherwise.
I was in university once, I thought it was important and necessary. Then I found out it was all a lie and a waste of life and health, so I left. Was a significant release of stress, an oppressing burden just gone.
And as suggested, get a vacation somewhere clean with good food, at least for a few months. Considering your state, I'd say you really don't have much choice... other than try to force through in your present location.
What I would also suggest is to just leave school, leave and never return, for it doesn't do you any good, nor ever will. It's a waste of life and health. Might sound "harsh", but it's a simple truth I know too well on my own and when looking at all these "achieved and educated" people who can't even see what's right in front of them, who don't know themselves nor the world they are in, yet are regarded as "superior".
What I would suggest would be, at least eventually, to somehow get out of the city, to a clean countryside or such place. Current cities are of death, and getting worse.
These are the hardest things to comprehend and do... because what's needed to make these happen are on the mental level and the emotional level, and requires going against what you were raised to know and live with and live in your entire previous life.
And as said many times - water. Need at least clean for water. In case of water there's more than just what's in it and what's not in it, there's also its molecular structure - which can be affected with human emotions, essentially meaning you can restructure the water on your own, thus making it better for yourself. Positive emotions and intentions and thoughts. EM pollution disrupts the structure, as does excessive heat, and ugly noise, etc. Sunlight is good for the structure.
Don't know what magnesium you are using, but just in case... go for magnesium chloride - MgCl2 - and it's water solution. Or epsom salt. Magnesium is very important, especially for a healing body.
Anyway. Diet is one important thing, another is mental, and then emotional. If one of these isn't okay then neither will be the others. Get to know and address all of these, as generally people only deal with diet (physical body), even less deal with mental (meditation and figuring out ones life and the world), and even less with emotional (which in truth I'd say is the strongest of them all; get to know yourself emotionally), not to mention their interconnectedness.
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Been sleeping all day..my body is like telling me that I need repairing but because of this I'm very behind on my assignment and my exam. Well..good luck to me god knows how bad this is going to affect me.
Constipation all day couldn't get any BM even though I really feel like going.
Woke up, read all your replies and still couldn't get my head straight..I'm reading so much conflicting stuff..
Low carb? not low carb? high carb..? Avoid sugar or not avoid sugar? WTF..
Does it matter? Or does it not? Ketogenic to kill candida or multiple carb sources to encourage gut flora..?
I'm so confused....
Re: What has worked for me before.
1st Time through was cooked paleo and basically just doing that and a lot of Sun Tanning (I used to live on the country side of the city, not really a country side thou) , taking omega-3 + vitamin D3 ..Didn't really do much with colon cleansing or etc...I was pretty much winging the cooked paleo style, pretty much just cutting out gluten, and that's it..Got well in 6 months..
2nd Time, Rebound after 1 year of living in University student housing with provided food. Didn't adhere to any protocol and by the end of the 8 month period eczema start coming back and full blown out when I got back home..Took care of it by going strictly cooked paleo again, but it stayed with me with 50-70% gone throughout 2012-2013 School Year..Full blown again when I got back to HK in 2013 Summer and started another trend of party lifestyle. Said fuck it and went full RPD under budget. Ate a lot of mussels + raw lamb + other meat and stuff.
Supplementation of the time - Vitamin D3 + Christopher's LBB formula + Psyillium husk (barely used it) and zeolite (barely used it)
3rd time - 3rd year of University Life I had some fluctuation period but so far not much issue, remaining at fluctuations of 70-80% recovered with dry skin. Ate minimal gluten but still pretty much had a really bad health lifestyle. Went completely SAD eating during Christmas time of 2013 - Lost about 10-15 lbs at least. Ate a lot of SAD food such as Poutine ..Body didn't react as much though and remained relatively stable throughout the year..Fluctuating
2014 Summer I worked at a really stressful job at a Korean BBQ restaurant which gave me early signs of break out and I started contemplating quitting the job. I couldn't take the stress at one point and quit after working for less than a week. Then I went back to cooked paleo to resolve my eczema. Supplementation included nothing much other than Vitamin D3 (due to lack of sunlight) ..
Ironically I ate out a lot and didn't have the best food I can have (Preservative + MSG filled asian restaurants most of the time, and drinking + smoking)
Weirdly I was in the best shape this summer, coming in with almost the clearest I've had in a long time for my skin. I took a blurry photo and I had basically no eczema other than dry skin..which I was trying really hard to get resolved, but multiple goals got me distracted..
Then..Life threw me a lot of curveballs..So many I don't know where to start..And one thing led to another, I had some minor breakouts starting from Mid-november, Late november had even more to about 50% outbreak and now, almost 80-90% outbreak..
And now, that's why I'm here again..
Re Water
There's virtually nothing I can do now until I save up for a water system..Or add in buying water as budget..Is there more beneficial part of money I should be investing in, instead of water..? I'm also moving in half a year so I don't know if buying a water system would be worth anything..
Re Seafood
I'll try to add that in.
Re Supplementation
I'll reduce supplementation to zero first and see how I react once I start introducing them in again..
Re Coldness in room
This might contribute to my intense itching I guess..It was sort of aggravated by itching and how hot my body was burning...then that made me itch even more..i guess I'll turn down the heater and bring in more fresh air..that's going to be freezing cold in the morning though..oh wells lets do this..
Re Meditation
Yes, I do agree. I should have stayed with meditative practice since I've learnt it when I was 15-16. Would've helped me so much more in life by now. I do have to thank meditation for getting me out of depression several times..
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Probably going to order probiotics with my prebiotics that I've ordered already..Let's gamble..let's try this gut flora strategy..
I'm stuck against the wall anyways. Why the hell not.
Meanwhile I'll try my best to adhere to a raw paleo diet with optional cooked sweet potato/ cooked mussels
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Today's food
1lb of cooked ground beef + 2 onions + 2 clove of garlic fried in medium heat..( I was feeling so stressed I couldn't even bring myself to eat..this is a coping mechanism I guess..)
1 Sweet Potato + 1 Pear
Magnesium drink 1 cup
No supplements
2 Cup of apple juice (Weird sign of carb craving? maybe..)
A lot of bloating + constipation today..No BM even though I tried..Brain Fog + Lack of concentration due to scratching
It sounds like the past successful protocols involved sunlight, lower stress, more diverse foods and not trying to be chronically ketogenic/VLC, and probably eating more calories, yes?
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What I would also suggest is to just leave school, leave and never return, for it doesn't do you any good, nor ever will. It's a waste of life and health. Might sound "harsh", but it's a simple truth I know too well on my own and when looking at all these "achieved and educated" people who can't even see what's right in front of them, who don't know themselves nor the world they are in, yet are regarded as "superior".
What I would suggest would be, at least eventually, to somehow get out of the city, to a clean countryside or such place. Current cities are of death, and getting worse.
These are the hardest things to comprehend and do... because what's needed to make these happen are on the mental level and the emotional level, and requires going against what you were raised to know and live with and live in your entire previous life.
This may not be such a bad idea, but before you stop school, ask yourself, "Is my education a step or a goal?"
If "getting a diploma" is the goal of your education, drop out now! Getting a degree just for the sake of a degree is pointless.
But, if your education is a step in the direction of a good goal, then put a smile on your face and finish up. Make it look easy! For example, my goal was to have a certain occupation, and my government says I need a certain certificate to do that work, so I got two degrees and a handful of certificates that say that I can do exactly what I want to do for a living.
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Quitting school is not on the list, let's just put it that way.
@paleophill - probably...I dont even know anymore..so what do i take for carb sources now?
what about this crazy die-off/ systemic circulation/inflammation that i'm dealing with?
@other replies..i read them.. but i'm still hella confused about carb...what are good carbs .. what are bad then..?
cooked carbs are bad then cooked sweet potato are bad? how much..?
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i'm really tired of this life..
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Quitting school is not on the list, let's just put it that way.
Then stop acting like school is so stressful. Whatever your reason for being there, if it's what you do, then do it with aplomb.
i'm really tired of this life..
Why not go see the new movie about Stephen Hawking, called The Theory of Everything. If someone with his situation can carry on with life, you can certainly manage with the cards that you have been dealt in life. Develop resilient thinking. "Resilience is the ability to overcome challenges and adversities and turn them into opportunities. Resilience is seeing stepping stones instead of obstacles. It is seeing options and possibilities instead of dead ends. Resilience is learning from mistakes and failures and not staying within the failure or developing a negative mindset."
It's not "this life" that's getting you down... it's you. All the other answers you are looking for - such as, which carbs? - will become clear when you stop your negative thinking.
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You're right..this is just unskillful emotion processing..
It sounds like the past successful protocols involved sunlight, lower stress, more diverse foods and not trying to be chronically ketogenic/VLC, and probably eating more calories, yes?
I suppose that's correct..Not quite getting the hang of it though..You mind explaining more about the carbs, calories and inflammation (or autoimmune) link?
I'm upping my green leafy carbs to 3-4 kinds now including sweet potato, then taking in more seafood..got some dry seaweed as well. I forgot to buy spring water but I'll do that tomorrow.
Prebiotics coming in soon..Also bought NAC + Castor oil to help with detox..
I'll see how it works out.
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You're right..this is just unskillful emotion processing..
Not "just" unskillful emotion processing, you are creating more digestive problems by being stressed out than you could probably create by eating the wrong carbs.
If I google "digestion" and "stress" I get 36 million responses like this one: http://chriskresser.com/how-stress-wreaks-havoc-on-your-gut (http://chriskresser.com/how-stress-wreaks-havoc-on-your-gut) ...The gut is especially vulnerable to the presence of chronic (and even acute) stress, demonstrating stress-induced changes in gastric secretion, gut motility, mucosal permeability and barrier function, visceral sensitivity and mucosal blood flow. There has also been evidence to suggest that gut microbiota may respond directly to stress-related host signals.
In other words, your digestion shuts down in response to the stress that you are creating, and the foods you eat remain undigested or partially digested. The parts of your food that are not digested become automatic toxins. You are poisoning yourself!
The problem with a self-induced stress habit is that we perceive it as a positive stimulus, it makes us feel more alive if we can create a constant adrenalin rush. Managing your mental status with tools like meditation and relaxation turns off the draining adrenalin rush and replaces it with real happiness from endorphins and other up-mood hormones.
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badboy still needs to admit to doing something about his drinking water.
all your probiotics go to waste by drinking chlorine
at the same time bath water should be made chlorine free by filling a pail with tap water and letting it sit for half a day
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I got to say, yes, chlorinated water for bathing isn't great, but it's not the end of the world here. To have to fill up enough pails of water and to air off the chlorine and then take a shower or bath with luke warm water would seem to making life more difficult for him, if not moving towards being a little neurotic. Maybe if you'll all think that the chlorinated water isn't good for his skin condition, he could rinse with a quart of aired out water. In other words, let's keep our suggestions simple.
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Some seafood does seem to be quite helpful for me.
Re: carb sources / good carbs: whatever works for you. I think a variety of info sources, like evidence from anthropology, archaeology, history, biology, chemistry, studies, food traditions, other people's experiences, etc., can provide helpful clues, but in the end it comes down to your own experience and judgement. No one else can know what works best for you.
Context is important. If the only way you can get your calories up to normal levels is via cooked carbs, then maybe that's better than continuing to stress yourself with a low-calorie diet? Plus, many of us don't have easy and cheap access to certain ancient carby foods like tiger nuts, Sarana bulbs and elderberries, so we make do with what we have access to.
I think it helps to have some objective measures to test how you're doing and to also see a healthcare practitioner periodically, as sometimes we can fool ourselves. There seems to be a disturbing tendency for extreme dieters to rely solely on how they "feel" (which has its place, but shouldn't be the end-all) or the dogma of gurus. If you read gurus' blogs and opinionated forums like this one, make sure to also peruse others that disagree. You're not likely to get the full story at any single blog or forum. It's human nature to emphasize that which supports our own views and downplay that which doesn't. I find it helps to force myself to check out stuff I don't want to hear.
Re: crazy die-off/ systemic circulation/inflammation: This sounds like self-diagnoses. Objective tests and a practitioner's input might help flesh this out. Whatever is going on, it sounds like what you were doing recently did not help much and may have only made things worse.
Like others, I find that getting into the outdoors, even in winter, and maybe especially then, to be helpful, and to try to get enough sleep.
Re: carbs, calories, inflammation, and autoimmunity, I recommend checking out the warnings of a man who says he is an MD and former "LC doctor" expert and went by the handle "Spanish Caravan". He revealed the seamy underbelly of VLC that you will never learn about from VLC/keto advocates. I shared some of his stuff in this forum. A lot of it fit in with what I've been learning and seeing, and it's obvious that he's much sharper and more knowledgeable than the average person.
Re: castor oil -- traditionally, this was used as a laxative ("cleanse") only once or twice a year. I've seen many people worsen their health by doing too many "cleanses," which presumably can clean out good bacteria with the bad.
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And I would add one of Iguana's favorite heuristic's--Claude Bernard's "the terrain is everything."
Thanks Phil, but I feel this Claude Bernard's idea derived from Pasteur’s theory leads to overly complex explanations: GCB’s theory (partly copied by AV, I think) is much simpler and fits better to the known facts.
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Update -
Still a lot of itching during sleep, especially wound that's trying to recover and new area of rashes building up in inner and around the whole thigh, Rashes developing up until legs and also spreading throughout arms.
09/12/2014 Diet
1 Cooked Sweet Potato upon waking at noon
2lb of Cooked Mussels around 430
200g of Farmed Salmon
2 Cups of Green Tea (generic Lipton)
3 Bananas
2-3 Brussell Sprounts + Red Spinach Raw
1 Now NAC supplement (Testing if it helps Liver Detox through Pathway II)
1 cup of Magnesium supplement drink
Stopped showering for several days, tried putting on coconut oil on face before bed resulted in intense itching on face.. Not tolerating coconut oil well again..Seems like if I don't shower it doesn't get absorbed well, or my skin is too sensitive to anything right now that it simply reacts to it. I've had no problem with coconut oil when my skin is well. When it's dry already without moist from shower it gets itchy. It seemed like not just coconut oil either..I tried putting on marrow bone fat on before it itches me really badly as well.
Also finally had some BM after eating cooked mussels, and it was funny, I had the mussels, then took some magnesium drink, then had a normal BM followed by Diarrhea.. Weird..Indigestion? The next lb of mussels didn't have that problem though. Maybe I'm micro-analyzing this too much.
I'm very clueless at this point....
so..I'll start over again.. Okay what do we have to address..
Eczema, Dry Skin, Cold hands and feet, Insomnia interchanging with intense sleepiness, Lack of energy, 0 Sex Drive and Testosterone, Shrinking Testes, Fluctuating from constipation to Diarrhea (usually constipation)
What are the environmental problems that is hindering my recovery?
Dry weather, Chronic Stress from school, Sudden life event stress from Mid November, Lack of Sun Light, Disturbed sleep from scratching, nnEMF, Lack of fresh air and outdoor nature time, Chlorine + Fluoride in Bathing Water
What are the lifestyle (diet) problems that is hindering my recovery?
Under eating (not enough calories + lack of appetite), Lack of variety of meat, Crashing from supplementation of Iodine from Kelp & Dulse (Potential cause of detox/rashes right now), Limited Carb sources
Protocol as of now:
Diet
1 Week period of Raw Paleo Diet and Avoiding Chronic Levels of Low Carb + Under Eating
Aiming at calories at least 2600/day, or that I'm full 3 meals per day
Increase variety of carbs,
Prebiotics coming in soon and I'll see if that does anything useful for me.
Environment
Spiritual Walk 10mins/day
Inducing happy thoughts with only listening to happy music + Watching Comedy
Addressing water problem by buying spring water for now (Need to do the math and see if I can actually buy a water system..)
I'll constantly update this list on my own for protocol part.
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I am forever grateful in you guys helping me out, I really am.
The struggle of stress in life is it makes me really tunnel visioned and I often cannot see my own biases in thinking.
I was always really negative in terms of thinking, and have always struggled to see happiness in life.
Thank you very much. I will go through this and see through this as a challenge, instead of running away this time.
I will go through the end for this chronic illness. Then I'll make it to the world and help others who have this issue.
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900 gram of farmed salmon
2 plums
2 bowl serving of salad consisting of lettuce, red spinach and
6 eggs scrambled in pan with 4 tablespoons of tumeric (for calming emotions)
1 NAC supplemnt
3 cups of Green Tea
2 Cups of magnesium drink.
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Okay i'm going to stop changing stuff and remain constant ..
ordering meat tomorrow morning to guarantee good meat for the Christmas
Raw Paleo Diet with variations of carbs. Experimenting with trials of Resistant Starch? Still trying to read up on it..Green Bananas apparently is a good option. Upping my fat content by at least eating 2 Marrow bones a day..Also making sure I get my portion of organ meat as well. that's for tomorrow.
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Should I do detoxes during the holiday for faster recovery? Might try couple more egg yolk liver flush and see if it helps.
Might have to do colon cleanse before that if my bowel movement comes in once every two days..but potential of disrupting the gut flora..? Hmm..
I guess long-term strategy would be better to let health conditions to resolve themselves.
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continuing supplementation of NAC to see if the problem is in the liver detox.
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I'm sort of lost, but I'll continue on my journey
So far, I'm sort of guessing that I may have typical symptoms of a under calorie + under carb person. I'm eating too little and i somehow got use to it already.
Skin continues to be dry and inflammating which is really frustrating as it doesn't heal up nicely.
Could I have what is described below:
On this blog, I’ve repeatedly cautioned against using very low carb diets to treat gut issues. One major reason is because of the well-documented effect of these diets to induce euthyroid sick syndrome (ESS). (1) (2) (3) (4) Common symptoms reported by many on these ketogenic-type diets include lethargy, cold hands and feet, thinning or dry skin, insomnia, and constipation.
taken from here: http://gutcritters.com/dietary-recommendations-for-gut-dysbiosis/ (http://gutcritters.com/dietary-recommendations-for-gut-dysbiosis/)
Im quite lost as to where to take the next step..
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I'm sort of lost, but I'll continue on my journey... Im quite lost as to where to take the next step..
Perhaps I'm lost, too, because I don't understand why you are asking for advice on a raw paleo forum about how to modify your cooked diet with food supplements. So, for your vacation, I would recommend a simple raw paleo diet consisting of seasonal, quality foods.
No more farmed salmon, which has been raised on its own excrement and corn. No more plums in the dead of winter. No more searching for diseases that match your symptoms.
Get yourself a good baseline of health on all-raw foods and then let your appetite decide what to eat and what to avoid.
How about six weeks on RPD (raw = RAW!, paleo = the way a "caveman" used to eat)?
Include activities that "cavemen" used to enjoy, such as exposing your skin to the sun. It's okay to leave your shorts on.
Let's see that Leap of Faith that you keep bragging about!
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Inger, I'm wondering; if you experimented with leaving veggies in your diet while removing fruit. You do mention wild greens, which I do in the form of dandelion greens, and sea weeds,, both of which are good sources for gut fermentation. I also like radishes, some kales, celery, sun chokes, cucumber and others.
I think the difference might be in making a whole big meal repeatedly out of salad, and eating fruit often, vs. nibbling on wild or separate sources of greens or other veggies.
Regarding Cassia. I am wondering you how you did it? Did you take one or two on an empty stomach and wait some time before eating? And then add one more each day until things started moving. Here's a funny story; before I went to Montrame for the first time and didn't have much knowledge about instincto,, I ordered some cassia sticks. I thought the instructions were to eat till there was a stop. Here's the wild part; I ate the discs and swallowed them, not knowing you are supposed to suck off the coating only. I ate one whole stick. I then went straight away to the gym and it hit me there. Boy between the sharp broken pieces of discs and the many many discs in a whole large stick, I was in trouble for a whole day. But since then for quite some time I found them to be quite cleansing. I was never constipated, they just seemed to cleanse deep within the body. A couple of times while traveling and haven eaten something bad, they really pulled me through. Hence the question about how you used them.
I do sometimes munch on raw cabbage or some dirty carrots from the yard etc. I do like them but I am just not so into veggies.....
I need to slowly increase my fibrous veggies or I will have to fart for sure ??? I do not feel my intestines at all when I eat like I do now and I like that ;)
but fruit - a lot of them... really messed my gut up I think. Papayas, ripe figs, or other not so cultivated fruit do suit me better and in summer i might eat a bit from them
I believe fruit should be seasonal.
And I believe wild herbs have way more benefits than cultivated veggies.
I used cassia in the morning fasted.... and waited before eating too as you did - I used mostly just a little to help detox - but sometimes more... to try cleanse when I felt clogged up from my eating and my belly was bloated etc.
I had to LOL when I read about how you ate your first cassia... man! haha... that must have been quite an adventure ;D
I do think cassia might be of benefit at times. I just do not feel like I need it anymore/since going mostly RAF... and I remember the times when I got panic feelings if I did not have it at home... weird...
I also do not feel the need to do any cleanses or fasting or anything like that.. and I used to do fasts and cleanses before... i kind of did not feel so good and then I thought i needed to clean my body up to feel awesome again. I do not have that anymore at all. Interesting.
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I too can remember that odd habit of thinking I needed to 'cleanse' whenever I ate something I wasn't supposed to. I notice it so often in the health media these days,, all this cleansing, protocols, juices, enemas,,,, It's as if the body doesn't have it's own ways to heal, and that we need to DO something to pay for our sins. A lot of money is made off of that belief.
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Update: I've compared my rashes to pictures of eczema and candida..
I'm pretty sure I have candida relating to some of the symptoms, but hey, it's still speculation.
Been getting better results on detoxification (or healing) from including organ meat (liver almost everyday for the last several days) and the rashes seem to be stopping their spread. But a lot of new lesions still get scratched out around back, stomach and thighs
I'm following a very strict raw paleo diet right now
Yesterday's menu:
4 green bananas (i was trying the resistant starch idea..I don't know if i should though given that I might have candida)
1 whole pound of beef liver
2 whiting fish
chamomile tea x1 cup
magnesium drink (looking at it, it has stevia in it [organic])..don't know how that plays out
some blade roast (finally found fatty enough cut to make meat taste good holy crap)
1 cup of coffee (Was trying to get bowel movement from coffee..didn't get much)
Only supplement I'm taking now is Vitamin D3 (5000 IU)
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For the last several days I've been mixing in some seafood (whiting / oysters) as well, but realize the quality of oysters isn't really top notch..the whiting is alright though
I've also emphasized to take in Liver to help recovery, it seems like liver was key to stopping my rash from further developing. Now it has stopped at my forearm instead of further spreading onto my hands and leg area it has stopped at upper thigh.
Also tried garlic on and off, from previously not even able to take in 1 garlic clove, now I can take 1.5-2 clove without nausea and stomach pain. Lots of gas though. Less gas as I tried the 2nd time. Potentially mixed results as an anti-fungal.
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Quite constipated right now...contemplating what to do next.
I'm quite sure it's candida mixed in with eczema. I really think it's a great messy mix
Unhealthy gut flora = Inability to protect against Candida, also triggered by mental stress and compromised immune system.
Re Eveheart
I do appreciate your recommendation on following a strict raw paleo diet. I am doing that now. The coffee was for me to get bowel movement but I guess that has proven ineffective. Anyways, thank you for your kind words it helped me to take a step back.
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So, I've got everything prepared to keep following a strict RPD
What's the next step?
A. Prebiotics + Probiotics (Coming in on Monday+ Tuesday)
B. Anti-fungal supplementation (Coconut oil / Garlic) for Candida
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Also made Sauerkraut Last night with some seasalt, so we'll see how that works out. Next Day for opening minimum 20/12/2014-25/12/2014 (Christmas)
Read up on an anaerobic recipe and doing it with lids fully covered and sealed air tight, with water slightly covering.
Is that correct?
Also got fresh order of meat in today but I can't make them into high meat because I'll be taking a small trip in Christmas and I remember reading that I need to air it everyday (or at least every couple days)..?
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My mind is settling down a little bit now from decreased stress in academics. Almost at the end so things will get better.
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Why are you taking Vitamin D supplements?
Can you just get real sunlight in your part of the world?
What have you done about your drinking water?
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Im in Canada where sunlight is quite limited given that I'm also wearing a thick jacket. I'm doing research on getting a water system but likely not resolving until I get some more money
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Why are you taking Vitamin D supplements?
Can you just get real sunlight in your part of the world?
GS, welcome to the World of Solid Coconut Oil! The sun gets pretty low in Canada, so I think vit D supplement makes sense. I've had vit D blood tests summer and winter here at 37 N latitude, and I need supplements in the winter. It's unusual to get sunlight on your skin in winter because most of the skin is always covered with clothing. The list of low vit D symptoms can long and vague, including just a "blah" feeling all the time, so it makes sense to pay attention to vit D.
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GS, welcome to the World of Solid Coconut Oil!
Haha nice one :D
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aren't you eating too much, for being so ill?
isn't suposed that the energy of your body must NOT be concentrated in the digestion, if you want it to be concentrated on the healing of your body?
if it is all day long occupied digesting foods, your healing will be slow, if you eat just a little bit every day, the foods that you feel are digesting quicklier, you will heal faster. sleeping, and not doing exercise, also helps on having more energy for healing.
keep it as simplest as you can, it seems to me that you are complicating too much. rest and light eating will cure you (your body will cure itself, with the help of the raw foods nutrients) .
It's not the food that is curing you, the foods are just the "soap" of the cleaning. but if you never have a "shower" (energy focused on healing) there is no point on having 10 kilograms of soap....
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Good advise Ciervo, however I think light exercises such as walking can actually help his digestion.
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Congrats on the improvements, badboy9311. Liver is a good source of vitamin A, which is beneficial for many skin problems. Vitamin A also helps metabolize carbs. Coincidentally, I just got some deer liver from my brother-in-law recently.
One of our ex-forum members, Danny Roddy, also had interesting improvements from vitamin-A-rich foods, after a period of raw near-zero carb:
...consuming dairy chapped-the-shit out of my lips, gave me acne (cystic) and kicked up dandruff. I assumed "I just couldn't handle it" and even entertained the idea that I had a bacterial infection.
I held those views until I heard Dr. Ray Peat on Josh Rubin's East West Healing radio show. Peat mentioned that an increase in metabolic rate caused an increase need for vitamin A.
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"Cream, butter, eggs, and liver are good sources of vitamin A. When people supplement thyroid and eat liver once or twice a week, their acne and dandruff (and many other problems) usually clear up very quickly. It was acne and dandruff that led me into studying the steroids and thyroid, and in the process I found that they were related to constipation and food sensitivity." --Ray Peat
This opened me up for a HUGE reinterpretation of what was going on in my own body. I thought about all the vexing reactions I had to many of the foods Peat recommends for increasing metabolism. Dandruff and chapped lips, both symptoms of vitamin A deficiency (and a lot of other things), were consistently the result of consuming a large amount of orange juice, honey, and dairy.
Adding vitamin A rich foods (raw yolks, raw liver) remedied these problems literally overnight. Once again, another example of how studying Peat's work has improved my well being, even if he or I are way off." --Danny Roddy, http://www.dannyroddy.com/main/2011/6/27/becoming-the-warmest-man-alive.html (http://www.dannyroddy.com/main/2011/6/27/becoming-the-warmest-man-alive.html)
Jeff Leach has written some interesting stuff on garlic and other fructan-rich foods:
If I was stranded on a desert island for 10 days, what food would I take with me, assuming I had water? I would take onions, garlic, and leeks. It seems counterintuitive at some level, but as you know, the prebiotic concept, which was created by Glenn Gibson and Marcel Roberfroid in 1995, and I’ve published stuff with Glenn before on prebiotics from archeological stuff, but I eat onions every day. I try to eat leeks every day. Garlic not only keeps away vampires, but it contains prebiotic fructans.
http://chriskresser.com/you-are-what-your-bacteria-eat-the-importance-of-feeding-your-microbiome-with-jeff-leach (http://chriskresser.com/you-are-what-your-bacteria-eat-the-importance-of-feeding-your-microbiome-with-jeff-leach)
I've been trying an external skin lotion source of vitamin D. I figure that since we got most of our vitamin D via the skin/sunlight in the past, that might be the safer way to go. Won't know if it's working at all until my next vitamin D test.
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Good advise Ciervo, however I think light exercises such as walking can actually help his digestion.
how walking can aid to digestion??
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how walking can aid to digestion??
I don't know how it works specifically, but I've read it once on this forum as well, that walking helped digestion.
Also in French culture it is quite common to go for a "digestive walk" after a big meal (promenade digestive).
Anyways, I don't think slumping on a sofa all day long will help his current state of health, or anyone's, if that's what you're suggesting (hopefully not ;)). If he has the energy to move around, then he probably should.
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http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06/24/really-the-claim-taking-a-walk-after-a-meal-aids-digestion/?_r=0 (http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06/24/really-the-claim-taking-a-walk-after-a-meal-aids-digestion/?_r=0)
"German researchers looked at what happened when people ate a large meal and then consumed either an espresso or an alcoholic digestif — like brandy or flavored liqueur — or walked at a slow pace on a treadmill. Walking, they found, sped the rate at which food moved through the stomach. The beverages had no effect."
Link to the actual study:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18392240 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18392240)
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ok, thanks for this info. despite i don't like that kind of studies.
they forgot to make a test on people not drinking nor walking after meal. so you can't say walking is better than resting after meal, you can say (regarding that study), that walking after meal is faster "Gastric half emptying time" than drinking after meal. they even didn't say how much time they were walking. (but i doubt there was more than 10-15 minutes)
Conclusion of the study (by the people that make the study) Postprandial consumption of alcoholic digestifs did not affect gastric emptying rate of a solid meal (comparing against what? water after meal?) nor postprandial dyspeptic complaints. However, postprandial walking accelerated gastric emptying of the meal (compared to what, water?) but this had no effect on dyspeptic symptoms
i was talking about focusing all energy on healing.
doing exercise occupy energy that can be doing healing.
and then, if the exercise is a strong one, you need more energy to recover from it. so , less energy for healing. it's simple.
he will not be hurt or be damaged by resting, not by walking (buy i doubt walking all day is better than resting all day, again, talking about what is better for healing)
and it's not good to be doing it all the time (resting). just when you want to heal. (being sick, or having a little issue you want to recover)
if you are in perfect health, why you would want to be in a sofa all day?
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how walking can aid to digestion??
My grandfather used to walk after dinner to aid in digestion. I have tried it and it works.
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Many exercises aid digestion at different times and in different ways by massaging the digestive system. The rhythmic movement and bouncing that occurs during walking tends to help food move through the digestive system as well as allow gas to move around and released, relieving pressure and allowing passage of foods. Other activities such as certain yoga poses help to squish different parts if the digestive tract to enhance movement of foods or foods becoming poops or poops. I find hiking and running, especially down hill, help to regulate digestion, many people find just bouncing up and down on a mini trampoline to be therapeutic in much the same way. I think the increase in respiration and metabolism and also how it encourages lymphatic flow and drainage are also a huge help.
There are also many self massage techniques to help assist poops in the ascending, transverse and descending colon that I have found success with in the past.
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ok, thanks for this info. despite i don't like that kind of studies.
Which kind of studies? "Scientific" studies ;)?
they forgot to make a test on people not drinking nor walking after meal. so you can't say walking is better than resting after meal, you can say (regarding that study), that walking after meal is faster "Gastric half emptying time" than drinking after meal.
Well, actually, the group who only drank water can be considered the "control group". The group that walked after eating also drank water, so they all pretty much started from the same place, except one did light exercise (walking) and the other did not.
they even didn't say how much time they were walking. (but i doubt there was more than 10-15 minutes)
They where walking on the treadmill at 4 km/h for the three remaining hours of the study (must've been hella' boring :P), except when they where being examined. link to the full study here: http://www.jgld.ro/2008/1/4.pdf (http://www.jgld.ro/2008/1/4.pdf)
"To study additionally the effect of walking on gastric
emptying, subjects received postprandially 40 ml of water
another time and walked afterwards slowly on a treadmill (4
km/h) during the following 3 hours only interrupted by the
US measurements, which were performed in sitting position. "
Conclusion of the study (by the people that make the study) Postprandial consumption of alcoholic digestifs did not affect gastric emptying rate of a solid meal (comparing against what? water after meal?) nor postprandial dyspeptic complaints. However, postprandial walking accelerated gastric emptying of the meal (compared to what, water?) but this had no effect on dyspeptic symptoms
Didn't read the whole study, but I think this is how they did it, yeah.i was talking about focusing all energy on healing.
doing exercise occupy energy that can be doing healing.
and then, if the exercise is a strong one, you need more energy to recover from it. so , less energy for healing. it's simple.
he will not be hurt or be damaged by resting, not by walking (buy i doubt walking all day is better than resting all day, again, talking about what is better for healing)
and it's not good to be doing it all the time (resting). just when you want to heal. (being sick, or having a little issue you want to recover)
if you are in perfect health, why you would want to be in a sofa all day?
If Badboy's feeling so tired or sick that he doesn't want to move, fine. But if the issue is just digestion after eating something, but feeling fine and energetic the rest of the time, I think walking outside can only be good for him. It's not all black and white as in "If I dare move my little finger, I'll waste healing energy!"
Imagine if you told a type 2 diabetic that he shouldn't move because he's "sick". You'd be actually making things worse! :o
I know you're not thinking so extremely, but it seems as if you believe moving will make him heal slower than if he just layed in bed.
Moving when you can and feel like it will only help your whole body get into motion, healing motion, IMO.
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i'm not saying moving will make him sick.
I don't like All the scientific studies. some of them are not to be taking too serious.
so, badboy must take in consideration walking 3 hours at 4km/h (thats 12 km) after a meal to aid his digestion? its fine ... you are the scientist here, not me.
i dont know why are you taking my words to the extreme, when i told him my "advise" , i said, "not doing exercise will make you have more energy for healing", just that. i don't consider moving a finger "exercise", not even walking. (but walking for 3 hours straight i do consider exercise, and energy consuming).
And , I repeat, I consider that saving all energy - not doing anything that cosumes it and need you to recover from- will aid healing, our energy is always driving us to health. (where is the energy when you are not doing anything, like sleeping? how do you feel when you wake up? -8 hs after doing nothing-)
if you have health you will want to do things. it's natural.
the diabetes thing is nonsense. if he wants to heal, he must stop eating garbage. and eating healthy food (not carbs or sugars) and resting will accelerate the healing.
Keep reading science, its good for you. i dont really care. thanks for the info.
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I think there is a misunderstanding here, but too irrelevant to expose it on this thread in lengthy details.
I'll just say this though:
I certainly am no scientist, I just like to back up the things I claim, when I can.
i dont know why are you taking my words to the extreme
Previously on: "Jeunekoq said..."I know you're not thinking so extremely, ...
Anyways I think that if Badboy has the energy and mind to walk around, he definitely should. Not necessarily 3 hours, but a little stroll in nature can only do good. However I agree with Ciervo that if you're lacking energy, doing intense physical exercises such as lifting isn't something I would recommend doing, even if you want to "keep in shape". You'll have time to do it later, when you're better.
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yeah, whatever. I still have to probe it by myself.
have a nice day!
(now walking 3 hours after every meal to aid my digestion! hurra for science!) :P
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Had a water enema last night to get rid of my intestinal blockage.. (or just long old constipation)
It's so dry and stuck in there for so long I resorted to getting it out first
Rebuilding my inflammated body, My arms are getting better now.
Still some lesions on back and front of body, but it seems like overall inflammation decreased.
All raw diet still, upping variety and quantity of carbohydrates
Eating organic green bananas, parnship, garlic, pears in the rotation right now
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Seems like my body is decreasing in area of inflammation but there's still quite a lot of inflammation going on
so going to increase my organ meat + saturated fat intake for energy
Taking prescript-assist to try out the quality of probiotics, see if they help my wrecked gut
Going to put heavy lifting into the mix as well, seems like the growth hormone boost from lifting really helps me recover from past experience.
Probably contradiction to most would advice here, but from experience that's what helps really. Probably not going to overdo it though, 3 times per week.
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Had some slip up of 1 glass of wine + a little chocolate yesterday..
Also, is frozen fruit filled with preservatives? i bought some for fruit smoothies (guilty pleasure)
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Congrats, sounds like an improvement in overall approach, with better results.
Also, is frozen fruit filled with preservatives? i bought some for fruit smoothies (guilty pleasure)
The package should have an ingredients list.