Paleo Diet: Raw Paleo Diet and Lifestyle Forum

Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Hot Topics => Topic started by: William on December 25, 2012, 01:28:02 pm

Title: NOT traditional
Post by: William on December 25, 2012, 01:28:02 pm
Modern degenerate aboriginal Canadians making pemmican the wrong way. Result of the destruction of their culture. Sad.
Still the ingredients are interesting, wish I could get them, and the simple preparation.
CreeFoodTV: Pemmican (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHkl8i97Mq0#ws)

Title: Re: NOT traditional
Post by: Ioanna on December 26, 2012, 03:00:48 am
how do we know the subtitles are correct? maybe they don't cook the meat at all?? how would cooked meat turn to a powder and keep the rich color?
Title: Re: NOT traditional
Post by: wodgina on December 26, 2012, 03:59:29 pm
looks like my pemmican.
Title: Re: NOT traditional
Post by: svrn on December 29, 2012, 06:09:59 am
whats the right way? I thought all pemmican was cooked. at elast the fat.
Title: Re: NOT traditional
Post by: Polyvore on December 29, 2012, 05:24:37 pm
How do you make it correctly? I think I know the mistake was boiling the meat... is there a way to render the fat without cooking it? Like blend the raw, cold fat, then raise it to 37 degrees, press and strain?

I have also heard it is tasty adding raw dehydrated powdered onion and garlic.
Title: Re: NOT traditional
Post by: Polyvore on December 29, 2012, 05:57:15 pm
I read http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/hot-topics/how-do-you-make-'raw'-pemmican/ (http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/hot-topics/how-do-you-make-'raw'-pemmican/)

And I have decided I can give people some tips for making a raw pemmican.

One complaint is the fact that you need to heat fat to dehydrate it... this is wrong, you can simply leave it open in your fridge and it will shrink and shrivel and dehydrate. When you have dehydrated the fat (over a week or two in the fridge) you can grind it and heat it in a yoghurt heater (heats to about 37 degrees).

I have some dehydrated slabs of fat in my fridge, and so I will experiment with this...

I have a few ideas for making liver and brain versions of pemmican... Slicing thinly the liver and brain to dehydrate in my fridge, then to finish off the dehydration process in the 37`C dehydrator unit. This will be interesting!

I might try it with coconut oil too... extra virgin coconut oil is saturated and is raw, isn't it? That would deal with a lot of problems if it is tasty enough...

Lastly, Goodsamaritan you asked how much you must eat per day... A perfectly dehydrated 250g will be about 2000 Cals.
Title: Re: NOT traditional
Post by: PaleoPhil on December 29, 2012, 08:57:29 pm
extra virgin coconut oil is saturated and is raw, isn't it
Most EVCO is heated by expeller pressing, which could potentially be as high as 99 Degrees C, reportedly (http://www.livestrong.com/article/287991-what-is-the-difference-between-expeller-pressed-coconut-oil-cold-pressed-coconut-oil (http://www.livestrong.com/article/287991-what-is-the-difference-between-expeller-pressed-coconut-oil-cold-pressed-coconut-oil)). Some producers allegedly even also use industrial solvents. The rawest coconut oil is reportedly centrifuged coconut oil, and I do find it superior. It's also more expensive. WFN says they don't heat their  coconut oils above 40 C (http://www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com/category/coconut-products-coconut-oil.php (http://www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com/category/coconut-products-coconut-oil.php)).
Title: Re: NOT traditional
Post by: Inger on December 30, 2012, 02:41:06 am
I have made pemmican with truly raw coconut oil many times, it is delicious! Maybe to mix it with soft, unsalted raw grassfed butter would work too?
Or.. mixed with raw brain! It is almost pure fat.. I bet that would be some of the most delicious thing ever.. dried heart pemmican with raw brain.. wow!!!!  :) I bet it would be just a crazy health booster!

The people in the video look just too sad. Just sad.
Title: Re: NOT traditional
Post by: Polyvore on December 30, 2012, 09:33:51 am
I agree Inger... sad and flat. They seem happy they can do something that reminds them of their old culture, but this is what happens when one is so far removed from their nature, without education nor teachers to learn from.

That was my plan! Brain, however, is half fat, half protein, about 10g of each per 100g, which makes drying tricky. Thinly slice brain, heart, liver and let it dry out in the fridge for ten days then dehydrate the lot in a dehydrator at 37 degrees, make me some pemmican!

A few recipes I am going to try:
-Kangaroo, GF Beef Fat, Figs, Garlic, Rosemary, Cinnamon, Cloves, Pepper, Salt
-Garfish, Coconut Oil, Cranberry, Garlic, Ginger, Mint, Coriander, Chilli, Salt
-Duck Breast, Duck Fat, Passion Fruit and Orange, Garlic, Soy Sauce

If those work out I will swap out the muscle meat for heart and some of the fat for brain, and see how that works. For the Garfish version I will start with just the meat, and the second batch add in dehydrated, blended fish head and guts and see if it still tastes alright.
Title: Re: NOT traditional
Post by: svrn on December 30, 2012, 11:32:22 am
Which part of the duck will you get the fat from? The ducks iv gotten had little of it.
Title: Re: NOT traditional
Post by: Alive on January 01, 2013, 05:49:13 am
Is the purpose of these pemmican experiments to make a RAF that will keep, say for travelling?
Has anyone tried pickling meat?
 I want to try this using cider vinegar and spices.
Title: Re: NOT traditional
Post by: Inger on January 01, 2013, 08:07:26 pm
I agree Inger... sad and flat. They seem happy they can do something that reminds them of their old culture, but this is what happens when one is so far removed from their nature, without education nor teachers to learn from.

That was my plan! Brain, however, is half fat, half protein, about 10g of each per 100g, which makes drying tricky. Thinly slice brain, heart, liver and let it dry out in the fridge for ten days then dehydrate the lot in a dehydrator at 37 degrees, make me some pemmican!

A few recipes I am going to try:
-Kangaroo, GF Beef Fat, Figs, Garlic, Rosemary, Cinnamon, Cloves, Pepper, Salt
-Garfish, Coconut Oil, Cranberry, Garlic, Ginger, Mint, Coriander, Chilli, Salt
-Duck Breast, Duck Fat, Passion Fruit and Orange, Garlic, Soy Sauce

If those work out I will swap out the muscle meat for heart and some of the fat for brain, and see how that works. For the Garfish version I will start with just the meat, and the second batch add in dehydrated, blended fish head and guts and see if it still tastes alright.

Polyvore.. I meant, to mix the brain fresh with the dried pulverized meat. That is how I eat pemmican mostly (I have it seldom..) I dry the meat and store it and when I want pemmican I just pulverize the dried meat and mix it with some fat. Keeps well to take with me at work or travel. It looks socially acceptable ;). I am not making pemmican for storing longer times at all..