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Title: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: Suiren on April 16, 2013, 12:34:48 am
I cut out all vegetables to see if it will help my indigestion problems and the acne I developed since eating a low carb/ ketogenic diet.

When searching for Paleo and Fruit only I came across the Wai Diet. I like some aspects of it, but others I don't, (so much sugar) so I am now trying to tweak it to my liking.

Until recently I ate a  omnivorous Paleo Diet with cooked veggies and some cooked meat. 
I don't have a lot of options. I CAN NOT go low carb again, because I don't have a spare liver or thyroid. My health was bad then and adding carbs resolved all the problems. So that is just not for me right now.
I also don't want to eat extremely high carb, and it seems loading up on fruits that can happen.

The diet allows raw meat aside from fish nowadays, which made it a lot better. My plan is to eat raw fish as well as raw grasfed and wild meat.

I want to cut out veggies until I get relief and then carefully reintroduce a few, one at a time.

I the meantime I am wondering how I can reduce the sugar in this diet and add some fat aside from olive oil.
What would be some good not so sweet fruits that still have a decent amount of calories and nutrients?

At the moment I am eating about 200g of raw meat or fish a day. Can't afford to buy much more (I still get a stomach ache and soft stools from raw meat, but hope it will stop). I eat bananas, coconut, avocado, cucumber, tomato and zucchini too. I don't season and drink only water. (the adding juice with oil part sounded a bit extreme)

I want to make sure I don't lose weight, as always. I get to 2700 cals with this diet, that is more than before, so I suppose there is no way I would lose weight?
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: goodsamaritan on April 16, 2013, 07:14:42 am
My first aid would be probiotics.
Repopulate your gut with various brands via overdosing on them for a few weeks.
5x to 10x the recommended amount on the label.
Solid gut full of probiotics is great.
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: Ioanna on April 16, 2013, 07:31:18 am
gs, and anyone else who has od'd on probiotics... what are the 'symptoms' you experienced?

i've tried to do this, but not lasted more than a day due to frequent bm's (at the normal/recommended dose) and/or diarrhea (doubling the dose).  i can't imagine what would happen at 5-10 x recommended dose  -X
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: goodsamaritan on April 16, 2013, 07:41:48 am
You have to find a brand that agrees with you.
Different strokes for different folks.

My 11 year old boy is allergic to the "Healthy Options" brand.
My wife says the "Lacto" brand from our organic farmer doesn't feel right for her.
An old lady neighbor says she is allergic to Yakult.
I'm okay with all of them.

High meat is a kind of probiotic.
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: Ioanna on April 16, 2013, 09:29:01 am
i think i give up on probiotics. i have this kind of reaction to all i've tried so far.... a lot!!!

i do like high meat!, but i do better with aged meat. i can only handle small amounts of high meat.
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: TylerDurden on April 16, 2013, 01:12:19 pm
You get negative reactions from "high-meat"? That's unusual. What are they?

If you want decent probiotics, try EM(Effective Microorganisms) Products.
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: Suiren on April 16, 2013, 07:53:21 pm
GS

So diarrhea is to be expected when ODing on probiotics? Or would it be a bad sign?

Do you know of any quality low carb and low sugar fruits? (Preferably a decent amount of calories). Other than the ones I have named.
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: LePatron7 on April 16, 2013, 08:18:00 pm
Just throwing this out there. The types of carbs in fruits, (most) veggies, and certain nuts are simple sugars. Which actually makes then easier to absor b. Since they're already single sugars, they get absorbed immediately. Complex carbs are links of sugar that need to be separated/broken down before they're absorbed.

The scd is actually mainly simple sugars, and that helps a lot of people. Something else to consider is that all complex carbs have to be broken down into simple sugars to be absorbed. Otherwise they go to the colin and feed bacteria.
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: goodsamaritan on April 16, 2013, 09:12:40 pm
GS

So diarrhea is to be expected when ODing on probiotics? Or would it be a bad sign?

Do you know of any quality low carb and low sugar fruits? (Preferably a decent amount of calories). Other than the ones I have named.

It is the reverse.  A great compatible with you probiotic should stop all diarrhoea, stop all stomach pain, give you a solid quiet gut, can help you digest almost anything, stop you from farting, give you nice solid comfortable poops... good probiotics will help you gain weight.

In my country we have papayas, watermelons, melons, guava, durian, hydrating green oranges.  And raw root crops like singkamas and yacon.
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: jessica on April 16, 2013, 10:25:21 pm
Ioanna, I think you have to use your intuition about the probiotics.  Like GS said, some are compatible some are not.  I know its a costly thing to experiment with so perhaps just making sure you are eating plenty of aged meats might be a good idea.

A few years ago I had giardia and GS prescribed a probiotic overdose.  I went to a little supplement store ran by a nice women who offered that I might "muscle test" which probiotic was right for me.  Basically she demonstrated  that I hold the pill bottles, close my eyes and sense whether or not I was being attracted to, or repeled from the probiotics.  I did this, thinking it was kinda of hokey, and found the pills I had used in the past were repelling and a new brand to be more attracting, even though in my mind I wanted to buy what I used before I bought the kind my body "signaled" was proper.  Took 10x the serving for a day and boom, explosive diarrhea gone! So muscle testing a probiotic might be worth trying,  I know it sounds like sorcery but its worth a shot.

Suiren, how are your stools now?   Does fruit not cause any digestive upset or acne?

GS id like a picture of a green orange?
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: goodsamaritan on April 16, 2013, 10:36:45 pm
These green oranges we call "dalanghita", they cost around 70 to 80 pesos a kilo in the city.
They are very hydrating, not too sweet.
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: dogman333 on April 16, 2013, 10:45:29 pm
Surien,
You very well CAN get diarrhea from probiotics.
This was the case with my autistic nephew on the GAPS program.

It certainly can be frustrating when our guts don't cooperate with us! I wish you all the best in your journey to learn more about this.

From our experience with the GAPS (Gut and Psychology Syndrome) diet of Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride, if one's gut is leaky and unhealthy, probiotics need to be added very gradually to prevent reactions. And foods need to be very easy to digest (here's were some lightly cooked and pureed foods come in) in the beginning stages. Fruits and veges that feed the wrong bacteria will aggravate the conditions.

According to GAPS -- while raw animal products are most easy to digest --- the raw fruits and veges are more difficult. Better to juice or cook well. The fiber and starch feed the wrong bacteria which contribute to a leaky gut (and thus immune reactions). The so-called 'bad' bacteria (which should be balanced by the 'good' ones) release toxins that weaken the integrity of the gut wall. Other yeasts and fungus can actually drill holes through the gut lining. In the GAPS program, they are careful to select SCD compliant fruits and veges and cook them well in the beginning. I believ this kind of thing has been discussed before in this forum.
 
The gut needs lots of time to heal -- and it will.
I would encourage anyone seeking a thorough treatment of gut health to get Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride book. Her program is healing the gut in order to successfully cure autism and other learning/mental disorders. She is an advocate of raw meats and raw animal products --- but in the beginning stages of her program, the body may not tolerate raw.

On a further note:  Did anyone read Chris Kresser's recent blog on the book, An Epidemic of Absence?
http://chriskresser.com/the-hygiene-hypothesis-is-modern-disease-associated-with-being-too-clean (http://chriskresser.com/the-hygiene-hypothesis-is-modern-disease-associated-with-being-too-clean)
 it's a more in-depth look at the role of parasites and bacteria in our health. AND it appears the leading edge research doesn't believe that probiotics actually re-populate the gut. Rather, . . .

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"that it’s a lot more sophisticated and complex than that.  These bacteria that we’re consuming are modulating our immune system and creating changes in our gut that probably do influence the composition of the gut flora, but it’s not so much about just filling it back up as it is about the effects that these organisms have on everything from our immunity to our gut genome."
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: LePatron7 on April 17, 2013, 12:07:34 am
I thought she was against raw animal foods.
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: Suiren on April 17, 2013, 06:06:57 am
Just throwing this out there. The types of carbs in fruits, (most) veggies, and certain nuts are simple sugars. Which actually makes then easier to absor b. Since they're already single sugars, they get absorbed immediately. Complex carbs are links of sugar that need to be separated/broken down before they're absorbed.

The scd is actually mainly simple sugars, and that helps a lot of people. Something else to consider is that all complex carbs have to be broken down into simple sugars to be absorbed. Otherwise they go to the colin and feed bacteria.

I remember reading that veggies are generally harder to digest than fruits?

It is the reverse.  A great compatible with you probiotic should stop all diarrhoea, stop all stomach pain, give you a solid quiet gut, can help you digest almost anything, stop you from farting, give you nice solid comfortable poops... good probiotics will help you gain weight.

In my country we have papayas, watermelons, melons, guava, durian, hydrating green oranges.  And raw root crops like singkamas and yacon.

Sounds wonderfull. I will see what I can find online. I have been wanting to take them.
Oh and I am sure I can find at least some of these fruits here. I have even seen the green oranges before.

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Suiren, how are your stools now?   Does fruit not cause any digestive upset or acne?
jessica
They are less firm and the color is lighter. My problem tends to be constipation. Less since I gave up a SAD diet but still a little too hard sometimes. The day before yesterday I had diarrhea after eating raw cod fish, but I did not eat any meat yesterday and today I did not have any pain in my intestines. I am still bloated, but not as painful as after certain veggies (rutabaga, ouch!).
I have only been on a clean raw diet for two days, and the four days prior to that I was transitioning while still eating a few problematic foods.
I am steadily clearing up and this morning my jaw dropped when I saw how clear my face was. The past weeks my digestive issues seem to have progressed and my skin had gotten worse again. It was almost clear after the detox with the supplements, but adding more veggies into my diet might have caused it to get worse slowly...who knows.
I also seem to be much more sensitive to all sorts of toxins nowadays.
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: Suiren on April 17, 2013, 06:18:54 am
Surien,
You very well CAN get diarrhea from probiotics.
This was the case with my autistic nephew on the GAPS program.

It certainly can be frustrating when our guts don't cooperate with us! I wish you all the best in your journey to learn more about this.

From our experience with the GAPS (Gut and Psychology Syndrome) diet of Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride, if one's gut is leaky and unhealthy, probiotics need to be added very gradually to prevent reactions. And foods need to be very easy to digest (here's were some lightly cooked and pureed foods come in) in the beginning stages. Fruits and veges that feed the wrong bacteria will aggravate the conditions.

According to GAPS -- while raw animal products are most easy to digest --- the raw fruits and veges are more difficult. Better to juice or cook well. The fiber and starch feed the wrong bacteria which contribute to a leaky gut (and thus immune reactions). The so-called 'bad' bacteria (which should be balanced by the 'good' ones) release toxins that weaken the integrity of the gut wall. Other yeasts and fungus can actually drill holes through the gut lining. In the GAPS program, they are careful to select SCD compliant fruits and veges and cook them well in the beginning. I believ this kind of thing has been discussed before in this forum.
 
The gut needs lots of time to heal -- and it will.
I would encourage anyone seeking a thorough treatment of gut health to get Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride book. Her program is healing the gut in order to successfully cure autism and other learning/mental disorders. She is an advocate of raw meats and raw animal products --- but in the beginning stages of her program, the body may not tolerate raw.

On a further note:  Did anyone read Chris Kresser's recent blog on the book, An Epidemic of Absence?
http://chriskresser.com/the-hygiene-hypothesis-is-modern-disease-associated-with-being-too-clean (http://chriskresser.com/the-hygiene-hypothesis-is-modern-disease-associated-with-being-too-clean)
 it's a more in-depth look at the role of parasites and bacteria in our health. AND it appears the leading edge research doesn't believe that probiotics actually re-populate the gut. Rather, . . .

Thank you, I hope I can figure something out!
It does not sound pretty (the gut damage).
I really wonder if I have damage to my gut. Since I do experience problems, I decided to finally get checked. I have been putting it off for almost 15 years.

The SIBO protocol is supposedly very similar to the GAPS diet and works the same way. I cooked all my foods while on it. I only ate the foods that were supposedly easy to absorb. I drank bone broth and ate the meat along with carrots from the soup.
Weirdly the bone broth caused me immediate bloating. Not as severe as tubers, but it was noticeable. Whereas something like a banana, causes no reaction.

I haven't been on the raw fruit and meat only Paleo diet long enough to say that these foods are all fine with my stomach. I might have to test more, but SIBO/ GAPS did sadly not make a difference for me.
Maybe my problem is of a different nature and not bacterial overgrowth.

My doctor wants me to get checked for colitis... :o I think it is unlikely, I don't have any symptoms of it. I better not have it or ima have to go murder someone. I'm so tired of diagnoses  :P I don't think I have it though, really...

Anyhow, I am doing the best I can.
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: LePatron7 on April 17, 2013, 06:40:36 am
Certain veggies can be tougher to digest. If you look over the legal/illegal list on the breaking the vicious cycle website. it says which foods are tougher to absorb.
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: dogman333 on April 17, 2013, 06:48:01 am
Suiren,
Sounds like you have definitely been around the block a few times.
Best wishes, and  thanks for continuing to share what you learn so that we all can benefit.
It's so frustrating to being 'doing everything right' and still have issues.
Honestly, the GAPS thing hasn't worked for me or a friend of mine either. The raw meat finally did -- hence, I'm here. Yet I believe the knowledge base of GAPS is basically sound for those with gut issues.
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: LePatron7 on April 17, 2013, 06:58:48 am
Interestingly scd, which is similar to gaps, wasn't optimal for me. But when I eat all raw, just scd legal foods, it works great for me.
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: TylerDurden on April 17, 2013, 07:12:11 am
I wish I could have access to the wide variety of raw fruits that GS has. Green oranges... wow!
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: goodsamaritan on April 17, 2013, 08:55:31 am
Wai Diet guru does not recommend raw cod at all.  He thinks it has too much parasites.

Try to find raw meat / raw fish that you are sure of, and try doing just raw meat for a few days like 2 to 3, no fruits, no veggies.  See if that calms your guts.
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: ys on April 18, 2013, 01:06:43 am
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Wai Diet guru does not recommend raw cod at all.  He thinks it has too much parasites.

Little round worms are very common in cod.  I've seen them myself.  Don't know if they are dangerous to humans or not.

http://images.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1280&bih=629&q=worms+in+cod&oq=worms+in+cod&gs_l=img.3..0l3j0i24l3.1360.3328.0.3698.12.10.0.2.2.0.81.426.10.10.0...0.0...1ac.1.9.img._vbtMXHFIM8#imgrc=_ (http://images.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1280&bih=629&q=worms+in+cod&oq=worms+in+cod&gs_l=img.3..0l3j0i24l3.1360.3328.0.3698.12.10.0.2.2.0.81.426.10.10.0...0.0...1ac.1.9.img._vbtMXHFIM8#imgrc=_)
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: LePatron7 on April 18, 2013, 05:30:31 am
Has anyone here eaten unfrozen raw cod?
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: ys on April 18, 2013, 05:48:06 am
I don't think there is such thing as unfrozen cod.  As far as I know all commercial boats freeze it as soon as it gets pulled out of the water.  Only if you catch it yourself or know someone who does cod fishing.
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: LePatron7 on April 18, 2013, 06:25:35 am
I bought fresh unfrozen cod from WF a few weeks ago. I didn't experience any problems. I'm curious if anyone else has consumed it unfrozen. Iguana? Troll?
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: Suiren on April 18, 2013, 06:35:32 am
Wai Diet guru does not recommend raw cod at all.  He thinks it has too much parasites.

Try to find raw meat / raw fish that you are sure of, and try doing just raw meat for a few days like 2 to 3, no fruits, no veggies.  See if that calms your guts.

Hm, I understand the thought behind it, but I will probably crash hard from sudden carb withdrawal.  :o Hypoglycemia might be payjng me a visit. What about having juiced fruit with the meat?

And no more cod...eww..
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: Suiren on April 18, 2013, 06:39:33 am
Suiren,
Sounds like you have definitely been around the block a few times.
Best wishes, and  thanks for continuing to share what you learn so that we all can benefit.
It's so frustrating to being 'doing everything right' and still have issues.
Honestly, the GAPS thing hasn't worked for me or a friend of mine either. The raw meat finally did -- hence, I'm here. Yet I believe the knowledge base of GAPS is basically sound for those with gut issues.

Yeah it seems it does help a lot of cooked Paleo folks. Maybe my stomach really does not want fiber at all right now.
Or - it could be my fructose intolerance. That is why I started eating so many grain products years ago. But sometimes I doubt i have an actual fructose intolerance. Itherwise my stomach would be much more upset about the amount of fruits I am eating right now.
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: goodsamaritan on April 18, 2013, 08:26:17 am
1 day of mea
Hm, I understand the thought behind it, but I will probably crash hard from sudden carb withdrawal.  :o Hypoglycemia might be payjng me a visit. What about having juiced fruit with the meat?

1 day of meat + fat + water most probably won't crash you.
You may then find out if that calms down your tummy.
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: ys on April 18, 2013, 09:59:51 am
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I bought fresh unfrozen cod from WF a few weeks ago.

I bet it's been thawed.  I would be very very surprised if WF does not get all their ocean fish frozen.
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: LePatron7 on April 18, 2013, 10:30:51 am
When it's frozen and thawed it usually says pre frozen on the tag  it said fresh and I asked them.
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: Suiren on April 18, 2013, 10:55:26 pm
1 day of mea
1 day of meat + fat + water most probably won't crash you.
You may then find out if that calms down your tummy.

Okay. Aside from that, how can I make a fruit heavy diet more healthy? What is the least amount of meat that should be consumed?
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: goodsamaritan on April 19, 2013, 12:10:17 am
I did  wai diet for a few months.
When I was in the cleansing phase, it was good.
It helped when I moved my office beside the big big wet market.
I went down as often as I pleased to eat any fruit or fresh sea food on the spot.

I would avoid the fructose heavy fruits... the fructose levels of some can be insane, I can feel it.  Such as too much mangoes, too much jack fruit, too much pineapples.

There is an instinctive aspect too. 

There was a time I'd eat durian every day.
There was a time I'd eat oysters every day.
A time I'd eat shrimp every day.
A time I liked blue marlin every day.
There was a time I liked lots of squid as well.

I ate a big variety of fruits.  Tasted each and every one of them. 
Follow the seasons.

Did I tell you I did fruitarian for 2 months before turning to Wai Diet?
Oh yeah to survive Wai Diet, I needed raw eggs because otherwise, there wasn't enough fat. Ate young coconut meat for fat too.
I do not suggest drinking coconut milk, I'd get upset stomach from that.
I didn't like olive oil for my fat, or maybe the olive oils at that time were the rancid ones, but lately I found good ones.

The fats I ate during wai diet times were: duck and chicken eggs, fish eggs, squid eggs, fatty raw blue marlin, young coconut meat. 
I did not need to drink water. 
Too much hydration already from coconuts and watermelons and papaya and citrus.
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: Suiren on April 19, 2013, 05:31:42 pm
I never knew you were fruitarian!

The Wai diet seems to be easy in your country since you have all rhe fresh fruits and sea foods available that you need.

How many raw egg yolks do you suggest I should eat? 

I lost weight since I started on this diet (from 108.6 to 103 lbs). Is that normal or Could it be that I am not absorbing some of the calories?
Atm I don't have a better fat than olive oil and eggs. I eat about 2500-2700 cals a day.
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: Iguana on April 19, 2013, 07:52:12 pm
How many raw egg yolks do you suggest I should eat? 

As many as you need... and that may be anywhere between 0 and 100 in a meal - GCB mentioned  a record of 55 in a meal if I remember correctly. The problem is to find proper eggs.
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: goodsamaritan on April 19, 2013, 09:36:39 pm
I agree on the instinct as to how much egg your body tells you right now.  Aajonus says the same thing to his cancer patients. 

I gained weight due to deworming and probiotics and eating more animal foods.

My food these days are very low in protein.  Seems i've filled my protein needs. Or maybe the raw cheese experiments are giving enough protein.

Aajonus has a frequent feeding weight gain eating schedule outline in his book.


Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: Suiren on April 20, 2013, 03:18:54 am
Wow! That is a lot of eggs! I don't think I will be craving that many. I am building up to test how many I want to eat. Had three so far today.
We buy organic free range eggs, they are fed some grains and pick their own food. Best we can get here.

GS how did you deworm yourself? Are there any ways to donit for a weakling like me? ;)

My protein intake is pretty low right now too. Hopefully not too low.
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: goodsamaritan on April 20, 2013, 07:52:11 am
Wow! That is a lot of eggs! I don't think I will be craving that many. I am building up to test how many I want to eat. Had three so far today.
We buy organic free range eggs, they are fed some grains and pick their own food. Best we can get here.

GS how did you deworm yourself? Are there any ways to donit for a weakling like me? ;)

My protein intake is pretty low right now too. Hopefully not too low.

I had tapeworms.  I took www.humaworm.com (http://www.humaworm.com) for 30 days.  Gained 10 pounds immediately.
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: van on April 20, 2013, 09:19:45 am
HOw did you know you had them??   Did you see segments?  I think or have heard it's like with dogs, you can see the segments, if not you probably don't have them, or at least they are in their infantile stage and aren't creating segments that break off.  What do you think GS?
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: goodsamaritan on April 20, 2013, 12:15:09 pm
HOw did you know you had them??   Did you see segments?  I think or have heard it's like with dogs, you can see the segments, if not you probably don't have them, or at least they are in their infantile stage and aren't creating segments that break off.  What do you think GS?

I was discussing my tape worms issue here in this forum.  Took pics. Took videos. Youtube erased my videos.  The tapeworm segments were in my every poop. And happily moving about.  The segments would crawl out of my butt any time of the day.  I would play with my tape worm segments.

Stamped confirmed.  Even showed them to my kids.

Tried various more natural foods to get rid of them. Finally decided on herbs.

Tyler had his own worms, he used a drug to get rid of them.

Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: Suiren on April 20, 2013, 05:03:05 pm
So if I don't see anything crawling in my poop is it likely I don't have worms? Or are there other types and I could still benefit from deworming?
I have eaten some fish that seems had parasites or bacteria. At least we felt sick after.
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: goodsamaritan on April 20, 2013, 06:00:51 pm
So if I don't see anything crawling in my poop is it likely I don't have worms? Or are there other types and I could still benefit from deworming?
I have eaten some fish that seems had parasites or bacteria. At least we felt sick after.

Aajonus is of the opinion that parasites are usually beneficial.
Hulda clark is of the opinion that parasites are harmful.
Both agree parasites are ubiquitous.  (there are lots and lots of different ones.)

It is up to you and I to decide if and when parasites are harmful, when to kick them out.

Livestock raisers and pet raisers decide if and when parasites are harmful and when to kick them out.

Much earlier pre-raw in 2006 I had liver flukes in my poops, they looked like tomato peels, even if I didn't eat any tomatoes.

My sister was 4-5 years old when she coughed up a 7 inch long whipping round worm in the car and she wasn't on raw.

I deworm my children every 2 years.  Or when I see symptoms.  Like when my girl had not much appetite and appeared too thin.  I'd say her deworming was a success because she started eating well again and gained weight.

My tapeworm deworming was a success because I gained weight and ate drastically less.  Darned tapeworms were eating my food.

We have herbal dewormer from www.oldfashionedspices.com (http://www.oldfashionedspices.com) on stand by because protozoa such as amoeba is a common parasite that gives tummy aches and would usually send my wife to the hospital, happened to her 3 times already.  But now that we have this herbal dewormer on stand by, any rumblings she gets that she suspects is some amoeba she would take the dewormer for 2 days and her symptoms vanish.  Same thing happened to my sister in law when she was suspected of having amoebiasis.
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: goodsamaritan on April 20, 2013, 06:10:13 pm
These tung shueh cow's head brand pills made me gain weight fast as I experimented with this for the benefit of my boy before I gave it to him. (Parent as guinea pig before giving any drug or herbs to children.)

http://www.myhealthblog.org/2012/10/27/tung-shueh-pills-cows-head-brand-review-by-tcm-healer-sifu-jen-sam/ (http://www.myhealthblog.org/2012/10/27/tung-shueh-pills-cows-head-brand-review-by-tcm-healer-sifu-jen-sam/)

(I would not bet on this if you are breast feeding).

Aajonus says some people should eat some starch if they need to gain weight.

I once heard you were breast feeding, so I would suggest you consume foods that promote breast milk and hopefully make you gain weight.  In my country the first aid for making more breast milk is raw dried and capsuled malunggay.  Buy malunggay capsules from your Filipino store.  My wife and my sister in law swear by them. Increase 1 or 2 cup sizes full of milk.  I attached a picture of the box of malunggay capsules.  There are many brands.

Malunggay leaves are a vegetable, these are dried and ground and put in capsules.

The traditional way was to eat cooked souped malunggay leaves but these raw dried capsulated malunggay are drastically more effective.
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Post by: jessica on April 20, 2013, 09:30:46 pm
I had tapeworms.  I took www.humaworm.com (http://www.humaworm.com) for 30 days.  Gained 10 pounds immediately.

for what its worth I took humaworm, even though I had no confirmation that I had parasites either before, during or after.  placebo effect or not I felt better physically after taking the humaworm.  they are very nice people that even took out one of the herbs for me(licorice root)
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: Ferocious on April 21, 2013, 05:51:51 am
GS, Humaworm doesn't ship to Germany. Do you know any others?
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: Suiren on April 22, 2013, 08:13:02 pm
Bump

Sadly they don't seem to ship here. I just looked up a bunch of paraites and can't stop being nauseated right now. Some of them infest such weird parts of the body...how can you even get rid of them when not in your intestines?

Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: van on April 22, 2013, 11:51:17 pm
Suiren,   One can drive oneself nuts over the worry of parasites.  Even if you do take an herbal dewormer,   there will always be the thought that you didn't get them all, or it wasn't effective for all types of worms etc..  My suggestion is to find a good parasite lab and get yourself tested.  It puts a lot worry to bed.
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Post by: Suiren on April 23, 2013, 01:32:31 am
Van
I will be talking to my gastroenterologist tomorrow about my digestive issues. Maybe he knows such a lab?
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Post by: Ioanna on April 27, 2013, 09:19:46 am
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You get negative reactions from "high-meat"? That's unusual. What are they?

my ibs issues start to come back....  namely frequent bm's (colon spasms).  i was thinking that maybe it has to do with the acidity??  i can eat all the aged meat i want wo problems though.

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If you want decent probiotics, try EM(Effective Microorganisms) Products.

thanks, any testimonials?
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Post by: Ioanna on April 27, 2013, 09:24:24 am
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Ioanna, I think you have to use your intuition about the probiotics.  Like GS said, some are compatible some are not.  I know its a costly thing to experiment with so perhaps just making sure you are eating plenty of aged meats might be a good idea.

so here's what i did... i read that people with ibs and gi issues benefit from psyllium and flax, and taking a probiotic at the same time is synergistic. psyllium/flax slows things down so the probiotics can actually adhere, and the fiber is supposed to be a prebiotic.  so, i did this with psyllium plus probiotic and seems to have worked.  this is the brand of probiotic that previously gave me diarrhea all day, but the combo seemed to keep me 'normal'.
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Post by: cherimoya_kid on April 27, 2013, 11:28:33 am
so here's what i did... i read that people with ibs and gi issues benefit from psyllium and flax, and taking a probiotic at the same time is synergistic. psyllium/flax slows things down so the probiotics can actually adhere, and the fiber is supposed to be a prebiotic.  so, i did this with psyllium plus probiotic and seems to have worked.  this is the brand of probiotic that previously gave me diarrhea all day, but the combo seemed to keep me 'normal'.

Keep us posted. I'm glad that's working for now.
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Post by: Joy2012 on April 27, 2013, 12:38:59 pm
What are food sources of probiotics besides high-meat? Does natto (Japanese fermented soybeans) contain probiotics?
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: goodsamaritan on April 27, 2013, 01:20:03 pm
Bump

Sadly they don't seem to ship here. I just looked up a bunch of paraites and can't stop being nauseated right now. Some of them infest such weird parts of the body...how can you even get rid of them when not in your intestines?



Another brand of herbal dewormer I by is from http://www.oldfashionedspices.com (http://www.oldfashionedspices.com) you get support at http://www.barefootherbalistmh.com (http://www.barefootherbalistmh.com) and his forum at Ask Barefoot in Curezone.com http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=626 (http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=626)

Herbal dewormers can get rid of parasites in the blood and wherever blood flows.

Another way we battle parasites is with Zappers and Beam Ray Machines.

Here is my son being treated with the 2 beam ray machines for TB.

Beam Ray will go through bone and teeth and the skull and cavities where no blood flows.

Cush 3rd Beam Ray Session for Tuberculosis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHU2iQY0KLY#)

I know what parasites are.  They are everywhere.
I'm not scared of them I am armed to the teeth against them.
Herbal dewormers of various brands, various countries.
Deworming food techniques.
Zappers.
Beam Ray Machines.

And to strengthen ourselves, do a raw paleo diet.
You will see in the beam ray video above, my son and I had raw beef for our lunch pack.

We just came from a Palawan vacation and the mangoes there are forbidden to be exported as they contain parasites / worms in their fruits.

No, I'm not parasite paranoid.  I just know when to hit them without being scared of them.  I try to avoid some of them such as parasites from pork I've heard can enter our brains.  And worms from fruits?  Ah, good protein.
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: Suiren on April 28, 2013, 05:29:19 am
We already ordered parastroy. I hope it is good vut the reviews sounded promising.

I had to interrupt the Wai Diet because I lost so much weight quickly. I went from 49.5 to 45.5. But only after one day of eating normal I was back to 47.5?? So weird.

My bloating had gotten better and also my skin. I don't think it would fully take carr of my acne though. It seems to be mostly hormonal. Since stopping the herbal supplements it came back some and I also had PMS and a heavier than normal period this month. My skin seemed less inflamed on Wai though and my breakouts were much smaller and healed faster.

I don't want to fully quit. But I will be adding some veggies so the food does not fly through. If I figure out how to maintain my weight I might give it another try.
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
Post by: Suiren on May 04, 2013, 03:49:22 am
I now read something saying that parasite cleansers can cause problems with reproductive health and birth defects but I can't find anything online.
Title: Re: Cutting out veggies for some time
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