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Title: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on July 13, 2013, 10:24:51 pm
Let's say you hate your current job, and want to change careers into something wholly different. Let's say that any extra retraining ought to take no more than one year or so, and the new career is  a better-paying one than the one before. What career would you choose? I'd like to have some suggestions from any of you.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: eveheart on July 14, 2013, 01:10:32 am
I did exactly that when my children were grown. My old career was spent in front of a computer, by myself, with stacks of demanding paper all around me. Even when my children were adults, I kept plodding along in the same rut.

One day, I was explaining to someone how great my life was, and I stopped dead in my tracks. It was such a lie. Behind my Pollyana-ish attitude, I knew that I wanted a completely different life.

The next day, I listed my house for sale, and one month later I was on the road, heading north in my new motorhome. My vague plan was to get to the country in northern California and see what I could do there.

The events that followed were serendipitous. First, I took some volunteer work at a children's afterschool center and signed in at the county employment office. A career counselor there got to talking to me, and asked me, "What do you really want to do?" I answered her, based on my past position, but she repeated the question and asked me to come back the next week with an answer.

All week I pondered the question, and the next week, I returned with... exactly one thing on my list, and I lacked the education to do that thing. The counselor led me to a nearby school, of which the director of the afterschool program happened to be one of the admissions officers. I completed the 13-month course of study, so in just over a year, I was launched on my current career.

It's been important for me to realize that even the perfect career can have a rocky start, but its ups and downs are easier to take when you know you are pursuing your dream. Remembering that I was low man on the totem pole, I often had to look ahead to resolve beginner's problems.

There would be no way I could name a career for another person - that is something each person carries in their own identity. I would advise to let go of the old to make way for the new, and then I'd make up some corny analogy that sounds like a wise old saying.

"The spring flowers do not emerge until the snow has melted away." - author unknown.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: cherimoya_kid on July 14, 2013, 01:25:54 am
Computer programming is only going to get bigger, and plenty of careers require programming knowledge, even if you don't actually have to write programs as a daily part of the job.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on July 14, 2013, 02:11:34 am
Computer programming is only going to get bigger, and plenty of careers require programming knowledge, even if you don't actually have to write programs as a daily part of the job.
The trouble is that I keep hearing one thing, namely that employers loathe programmers and want to bring in (H1B)programmers from India who will work for a tiny pittance in slave-conditions, terrified of losing their worker permits. So, I'm not all that sure if  I should choose something that can be outsourced to some 3rd-world-style  slave-factory. Also, given my current situation, I would probably need to do a 3-year online course with some university to become a programmer. Unless you know of some intensive, fast-track programmer course that takes less long?
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: cherimoya_kid on July 14, 2013, 02:54:02 am
The trouble is that I keep hearing one thing, namely that employers loathe programmers and want to bring in (H1B)programmers from India who will work for a tiny pittance in slave-conditions, terrified of losing their worker permits. So, I'm not all that sure if  I should choose something that can be outsourced to some 3rd-world-style  slave-factory. Also, given my current situation, I would probably need to do a 3-year online course with some university to become a programmer. Unless you know of some intensive, fast-track programmer course that takes less long?

People from India/China/etc. can't innovate or think for themselves, generally.  They are used to having everything explained to them, and having every single step laid out for them prior to beginning a task. Practically speaking, you need an American or European if the job requires some real decision-making or creativity. Besides, since programmers from the 2nd world need someone to tell them exactly what to do, there will always be a place for Americans/Europeans to manage these people. There are also other jobs that need programming knowledge, but don't involve a lot of actual programming.

You can actually teach yourself to program, if you're really motivated and intelligent. You don't even really need a degree, if you can demonstrate ability.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: van on July 14, 2013, 05:52:42 am
If I was going to start over again, and if I had some savings,  I'd write  in depth stories/interviews on very interesting people,  and write or describe how these people move through life, what motivates them, where they find their courage etc.... 
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on July 14, 2013, 09:12:02 am
CK, maybe you're right. Some online posters were stating that brilliant programmers would not be affected by low-grade Indian workers due to performance.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: goodsamaritan on July 14, 2013, 10:18:34 am
Tyler, with all the stuff you write at all experts, in this forum and the yahoo groups... how about writing your own diet books or health books?  There's some money to be made there with your raw paleo diet stuff... being who you are.

I would not get into programming unless your brain is wired to be a programmer.

Ever think of getting into a business yourself instead of being employed?

How about having women and kids?  Lots of my clients who are white / british / american / australian are here because of women and kids... some are family types.  Some not so.

Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: ys on July 14, 2013, 11:32:31 am
If I were stuck with deadbeat boring job I would look into butchering.  I think skillful butcher would be in good demand.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: wodgina on July 14, 2013, 02:43:55 pm
If I were stuck with deadbeat boring job I would look into butchering.  I think skillful butcher would be in good demand.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=af2_1359751260&comments=1 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=af2_1359751260&comments=1)
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: wodgina on July 14, 2013, 02:59:05 pm
Let's say you hate your current job, and want to change careers into something wholly different. Let's say that any extra retraining ought to take no more than one year or so, and the new career is  a better-paying one than the one before. What career would you choose? I'd like to have some suggestions from any of you.

Sounds like a quick fix to me.

I think professions where you can rip people off in broad daylight are the best then customers thankyou!

1) Webdesigner (Sorry GS I'm sure your a good one)
2) Tradesman being plumber/Electrician
2) Physiotherapist/Chiropractor/Natural Therapist (These people are true conmen I'm not sure how they live with themselves)
3) Lawyer
4) Any business that deals in cash

If was in London I would get some sort of small business where I could work from home and get cash, it could be either pest control/fixing old ladies washing lines etc etc. who cares I would be extra charming and say for you 50 pounds cash and give me a call anytime you need anything done mate/old dear etc

Two jobs in a day at the start and your looking good.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on July 14, 2013, 04:00:15 pm
I've read horror stories about people doing fast-track courses to become plumbers or electricians:-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2010/may/15/fast-track-plumbing-courses (http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2010/may/15/fast-track-plumbing-courses)
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: wodgina on July 14, 2013, 05:14:57 pm
Those courses didn't sound legit.

Get a job in the government at least you get go home on time everyday. Thats worth Dollars
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: Aura on July 14, 2013, 07:23:19 pm
Hi Tyler,
maybe my suggestion will not directly answer your question but could still be a long term solution for you, you know it.

If you got some money left, why dont you just buy a piece of land and start growing your own food and the rest you sell....
Run various courses about food, diet etc..
Share these place with like minded people,  as a small retreat center..

So you ve got a private business plus a nice place to live, let alone the good food you grow for yourself..

This is what I d like to do with my life but I also suggest it to others because I think it is a great mission.

I do not believe in money and this technocratic system therefore while I would still use some money to get stuff I need that are currently sold  - I would use them as a tool to invest in a kind of self sufficiency and to get out of the mass slavery we are subjected in society.

If you "become" a programmer, a plumber or whatever, I believe you are not becoming anything useful to your real self and the "world"; you are just becoming a skilled slave they need to perpetrate their destructive plans and agenda in this world.

I mean, if that's what you want and you are not bothered by the implications, then... well,  it is hard for me to wish good luck, sorry.. :'(


Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: Aura on July 14, 2013, 07:38:50 pm
I mean, if we read thru the lines of this topic, it seems we are focusing more on "making money" rather than to become, to do something really useful for ourselves and others..

Tyler, you should ask yourself who you are and who you want to be, rather than what to be and what to do.

Getting a "Homer Simpson's job" or whatever job that's convenient in term of money but you do not really care and especially, believe and enjoy, I think it can be compared to a form of legalized prostitution. Have you even thought about that?
How does it make you feel?

It happens to almost everybody but it is very destructive for the human spirit.
We all should try to change that, taking even small steps toward liberation from this non-humane system.
But when we get stuck on money, we are playing their game.

Money are controlled by greedy people. They won't let you to become rich unless you become one of them..
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: sabertooth on July 15, 2013, 03:13:22 am
I am looking for a change in vocation, after years of eking out a living from the sweat of my brow working construction.

So many opportunities to do good for the world, its hard to know where to start or what calling is worth while.

Im working part time at a jucie bar that is in an alternative wellness center. The center is home to martial arts instructors, message therapist, yoga teachers, dance classes, and earth mother events.

I may have the opportunity to be a massage test subject, and travel around getting worked on and helping others learn couples massage.

Kat Stevens has some good advice on the subject.
If You Want to Sing Out - Cat Stevens (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or8TA6IPE-M#)
 
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: Iguana on July 15, 2013, 05:10:36 am
How could you ever do a job you hate ? That looks utterly absurd to me. How can you be good in your work if you don’t care for it ? You’ve got to do the things you were born to do ! Something that is your passion. Then you’ll excel at it.  8)

I wanted to be an automotive engineer but I couldn’t because I was always sick and they kicked me off of the specific schools. When my health was finally better (since I changed my nutrition to something similar to W. A. Price’s) I became a truck driver / trucker and was rather good at it because driving  and automotive technology have always beeen my passion. And now I’m an automotive tech  writer with engineers and tech schools profs as readers. I couldn’t have been a good oenologist, because that’s not was I was born for, even if they gave me such a diploma. Making wine was not my passion. I’ve always done what I wanted to do… and that’s the way it’s got to be.  :)

That said, I think Aura is right. GS and Sabertooth too. Planting fruit trees and raising livestock will be very useful when times get bad… and they are gonna get bad ! >:
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: bookittyrun on July 17, 2013, 01:47:29 pm
i have been fortunate enough to be engaged in a career i am truly passionate about, for twenty years... and the desire to participate in it has compelled me, and allowed me to excel (i can say with the utmost modesty, i am one of the best in my field).  considering: the amount of time one spends at work, as well as the physical and mental investment, i feel it's very important to choose a career path that brings you personal happiness.

whatever you chose, make it something you enjoy, and want to pursue to the end.  personal growth, and skill advancement will be the reward.  if taking some educational leaps can get you where you'd like to be, then go for it.  having the drive to excel will outweigh any "low pay outsource" when it comes to competing for a position.  business can't survive without those employees who can keep it running, there is value to being an asset...  someone who can't be easily replaced, even if those around you can be... 

i say, if you are asking this type of question, you already know the answer.  good luck!
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: Iguana on July 17, 2013, 08:32:22 pm
Yes, that's what I meant!
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on July 17, 2013, 08:44:11 pm
The sad fact is that I would like to be self-employed in some way but my younger brother has stolen my entire inheritance. I don't have the funds therefore to do what I really want to do.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: eveheart on July 17, 2013, 10:47:04 pm
I was self-employed for 40 years, and I believe a person can start on that path regardless of the availability of funds. Without funding, you start more slowly, but in the long run, you build a better business with a slow, thoughtful start-up.

What do you want to do?
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: bookittyrun on July 18, 2013, 08:42:50 am
sorry if there is redundancy in my posts, iguana...

mr durden,
then the first steps to take are to secure whatever funding you require...  do what you need for "temporary" work, and move into your self employment slowly, as accruing funds allow.  talk to those who may be passionate about the same work you desire, who may be able to help with funding in a partnership type situation, until you're ready to branch out.  work out a financial outlook statement, and apply for a loan / funding that is reasonable to repay, and can allow you to get underway.  work in a consulting type capacity as a part time addition to a current job, allowing you to get your foot in the door.  attend seminars and meetings in related areas in an effort to make connections...

without knowing what you're trying to accomplish exactly, your options can be limitless...  help us narrow it down, and change this from a vague question, to a pointed, directed question.  there may be a forum member who can offer more meaningful insight to your dilemma...  i mean, are you truly passionate about computer programming?   i used to work in a cubicle surrounded by very depressed, eye strained, dissatisfied folks who wrote software and programming codes for 9 hours a day...  they all seemed to be locked into a job that allowed them to utilize peripheral skills they acquired while studying something else, but none seemed passionate about it...  an independent contractor who is involved in government work could suit your needs, not quite government work, but decent pay and job security in an environment that is structured and stable...
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: Dr. D on July 18, 2013, 11:58:36 am
BKR has a great point.

I feel lucky enough to get to do what I love daily; teach music. However, were the teaching realm not open, I would do something I could tolerate or mildly enjoy, while still being a hard-working employee (as grandpa taught me) so that I could fund my musical endeavors.

Eve also has a good point.

Plenty of people don't have/need money to get their business started. Start small enough while still doing your thing that you are doing now. Have you ever read "Think and grow rich"? Basically, the whole point of the book is those that are successful (rich) are the ones that ignored the "standard" way of doing things and put in their extra hard-ass work. Most of whom started with not a dime to their name.

Life is too short to worry about such things. Go for the things you desire; you are a man-hunter. There is no fall-back plan, you choose to succeed. One of the greatest jazz bassists alive, John Clayton, told me that "If you make a fall-back plan you are planning on falling back to it. Skip the fall-back, go for what you want. Don't consider failure an option. If you have to change something along the way you will." Genius. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Clayton_(bassist) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Clayton_(bassist))
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: jessica on July 18, 2013, 12:20:27 pm
Planting fruit trees and raising livestock will be very useful when times get bad… and they are gonna get bad ! >:


times are already bad, and times are good. times will get better when things like livestock and fruit to forage are actually though of as part of existence and necessity

don't let money scare you into keeping an ill fitting occupation, dream a little bit and see what you can come up with, when you take that first(of many) leap of faith you might be surprised how nice of a cushion the universe provides
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on July 18, 2013, 06:51:07 pm
About the only thing I can do self-employed without lots of cash is to sell online. Even ebay is getting too expensive, these days, though.....
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: eveheart on July 18, 2013, 10:41:53 pm
Your reply doesn't give any hint as to what you want to do, but it does betray a lot of internal obstacles. If you free yourself of these obstacles, you will be able to move forward.

So, what is the "unmentionable" plan, how much will it cost, what education will you need for it.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: jessica on July 18, 2013, 11:06:05 pm
also the way things work out you really just need to be super specific about what you want. 

in your spare time write out detailed lists, contacts you need to make, supplies, budgets, networking ans educational opportunities, or what ever else apply.  goals, personal and professional, and things you can do in the interim to start building towards what you want to create for yourself.

best(and really only) achieved by trail and error, but if you can start to really break that down you might find that the resources and connections start coming available or seem more attainable.  people don't just happen upon the lives that best suit them or gain them by avoiding faiure, they work hard and are willing to take risks and learn lessons, that's just how that goes, you have to have faith in yourself and in others to support you, the more you trust yourself and make moves towards creating a good life for yourself, the more others will support that, just the way it works.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: sabertooth on July 18, 2013, 11:41:33 pm
I've been learning how to pole dance, and am three days away from my the next performance. It may take another year before I am skilled enough to try out for the vagas strip. With hard work and some good trainers I may be good enough to do some male reviews locally for some extra money.  Ive been asked to perform at a strip club for an all ladies Superbowl party.

Its just a suggestion, but Tyler could always work on developing his masculine whiles and land a wealthy cougar to fund his business ventures.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: goodsamaritan on July 19, 2013, 12:41:21 am
>> Ive been asked to perform at a strip club for an all ladies Superbowl party.

Ah the pitfalls of being healthy... the opportunities!  You must post a video of this here.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: jessica on July 19, 2013, 04:03:16 am
these are always questions I ask myself when I am at a transitional point.  first I relax and step back

why do I want to change, what is bothering me?
is it physical, mental, does it have to do with the environment that I am in or the relationships that I have?
is where I am effecting my health? happiness?
in what ways can I improve those issues incrementally?  where can I ask for help? have I tried to resolve these in the past with no change?

what would be better? what would make me happier? healthier? what relationships do I need to make, where do I need to be, what do I need to learn that would help me make these changes?

you cant be afraid of failure! that's where everyone fucks up, they get scared and they get stuck.  you will fail, that's the only way you learn in life.  don't get stuck in limited thinking due to fear.  if you have done something or lived some way for years it takes a long time to break habits of thinking, just like SAD-raw paleo, but you have to take that leap of faith, if you intuitively know you need to make a change, don't let your "rational" scared mind talk you out of it and build barriers and walls.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: bookittyrun on July 19, 2013, 11:14:14 am
i will apologize in advance if this post is blunt, brash, or innappropriate.

"also the way things work out you really just need to be super specific about what you want."

"Your reply doesn't give any hint as to what you want to do, but it does betray a lot of internal obstacles. If you free yourself of these obstacles, you will be able to move forward.
So, what is the "unmentionable" plan, how much will it cost, what education will you need for it."
(eveheart, you are always very perceptive)

"help us narrow it down, and change this from a vague question, to a pointed, directed question."

i'm starting to think that this is a vague question, because you have yet to identify what it is to ask...



"About the only thing I can do self-employed without lots of cash is to sell online. Even ebay is getting too expensive, these days, though....."

"The sad fact is that I would like to be self-employed in some way but my younger brother has stolen my entire inheritance. I don't have the funds therefore to do what I really want to do."

i'm also getting the impression this "vague question" has less to do with personal satisfaction in your current work environment, and more to do with something deep - seeded...  if money was the bottom line, you'd do whatever you needed, without making excuses (even if that meant being as (reportedly) unethical as your brother) in your endeavor to secure funding for yourself.  i think i sense some resentment towards yourself, and the situation you choose to keep yourself in.   some soul searching and self evaluation may be a good first step, and once you identify the things that hold you back (because it's not money, or the lack thereof) you can move forward with asking for help. 

vague questions can only bring vague answers, mr durden.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: Inger on July 19, 2013, 02:16:25 pm
Maybe you just have to jump... and develop  wings on the way down? That is what I am doing now. I am just jumping out in nowhere. But sure I know what I want. So I have a direction to what I look for. To live by my parents forever, obeying their weird religious rules.. and taking care of their animals and being stuck without money is just no option. Ok, very safe, but that is not what makes me happy. I need freedom.

I have this picture in my mind how I put my life on fire. The smoke that arises from it carry me higher and higher on my wings... and I get this amazing view.. wow it is so beautiful up here

I think Jessica made some good points and what to question  :)
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: wodgina on July 28, 2013, 08:26:57 am
The sad fact is that I would like to be self-employed in some way but my younger brother has stolen my entire inheritance. I don't have the funds therefore to do what I really want to do.

That sucks mate something similiar happened to me unfortunately I was a little naive? but being paranoid would be worse. I know a 100 million dollar anire and he thinks everyone's an arsehole and he is completely paranoid. He hates everyone.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: jessica on July 28, 2013, 01:00:06 pm
wodg quit talking so bad about yourself, theres gotta be someone you like

tyler, isn't the idea of being self employed that you generate enough capital to get by on your own?  why do you need an inheritance to start? come up with an idea, make it "real" and write it out, time lines, supplies, costs, whatever, find some one who is doing something similar and wants to work in the same direction, or not, or just network to find resources, get loans, grants, some kind of support.....
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on July 28, 2013, 02:14:48 pm
I dare not take the risk of loans. Besides, loans require a property etc. to back them and I now don't have that any more.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: jessica on July 28, 2013, 08:58:53 pm
well you are going to have to loan something, ill send you some of my freewheeling courage if you want, 0% interest for the first 18 months.  But if you network and find like minded folks or folks who think what you are doing is valueable, which you will generally have to find anyway to create a successful "self" employment, you can see what they can loan you, time, ideas, maybe financial backing, that's why its really important to make mock up plans and share them.  even if they aren't perfect, that is how you refine something, just like any skill or even like your personal diet.

also you have to get out of the idea that "self" employment means you are a closed system, generating capital as an individual with no imputs from outside sources.  there are no examples of this happening anywhere in the universe.  you are going to have to be open to and depend on people you may not fully know in ways that you may not have done for anyone but your family. they may not fully get it and situations may not be perfect to start.  you have to have trust in yourself and others, and have the flexibility  and resilience to be willing to fail and try again or you will just be stuck right where you are. 

A good start would be to just write out a feasibility plan with all of you needs and how to fulfill them, where you need more resources, education, time frames,  things you already have that contribute and find someone who you can go over this with, someone who is in a similar employment situation or whatever, you have to let other people help you and be open.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: eveheart on July 28, 2013, 11:54:05 pm
I've started successful businesses before, and I think the suggestions that Jessica made are excellent. I started from zero the first time. Once you step off the cliff, your creative momentum forges a path for you.

One of my chief motivators was the loss of my inheritance. Yes, it happens all the time. My inner strength comes from the saying, "Success is the best revenge." (Frank Sinatra put it this way, "The best revenge is massive success." The alternative is bitter resentment. Which do you want in your life: unstoppable success or obliterating bitterness. I hope you can see your choices plainly and pick the path to contentment.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on July 29, 2013, 12:23:29 am
The err, slight catch is that 4 out of 5 businesses fail within the first five years. At least, that's the statistic I read. At the moment, I'm hopefully reading delusional books about earning millions selling on ebay etc., but  I am a cynic/realist. Of course, if I did become successfully self-employed, the likelihood would be that I would just barely break even the first few years before finally becoming truly solvent and independent and free.

So, what were your past successful self-employed businesses , if I might be so bold? Then again, I can't imagine anyone giving away  business secrets for free!

Hmm, I could  still do that rawpalaeo e-book, but it'll take a bit more effort to do a serious, original work than to just glean stuff from online data.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: bookittyrun on July 29, 2013, 02:01:04 am
"The err, slight catch is that 4 out of 5 businesses fail within the first five years. At least, that's the statistic I read."

then have the attitude of being the one that succeeds.  i wonder if that statistic is (interpretively) "true" based on most people who start a business, don't have the foresight to look beyond 5 years.  come up with an 8, or 10 year plan for success. 

less doubt, more thoughtful risk, and ambition.

personally, i think statistics are for chumps.  paying attention to things like that brings doubt.

go for it!     :)
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: jessica on July 29, 2013, 03:21:31 am
nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: jessica on July 29, 2013, 03:38:02 am
ps maybe 4 in 5 are failures because people are not identifying a specific niche and also something they can provide that is original or that is part of their specific specialization.  I mean if you are just going to follow the idea directly out of a book and not come up with an original idea you are just lining up to be number 5 in the equation.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: eveheart on July 29, 2013, 06:26:00 am
The err, slight catch is that 4 out of 5 businesses fail within the first five years. At least, that's the statistic I read. At the moment, I'm hopefully reading delusional books about earning millions selling on ebay etc., but  I am a cynic/realist. Of course, if I did become successfully self-employed, the likelihood would be that I would just barely break even the first few years before finally becoming truly solvent and independent and free.

So, what were your past successful self-employed businesses , if I might be so bold? Then again, I can't imagine anyone giving away  business secrets for free!

Hmm, I could  still do that rawpalaeo e-book, but it'll take a bit more effort to do a serious, original work than to just glean stuff from online data.

Ditto what bookittyrun said: be the one in five who succeeds. You already have that success drive. Look at your health victories and the forums you have created! These are the work of a masterful person.

How to start a successful business is not a secret. First, research what people want/need and match that to your passions and abilities. Learn from others who are doing what you want to do. If you will need a new ability, acquire it. Your business plan will include all your thinking about how, when, why, etc. If you are thorough in your planning, you will avoid unplanned emergencies that drive businesses to failure. If you find an offer that says "get rich quick" or "make millions," walk the other direction; these offers are usually making money for the promoters, at your expense.

My c.v.: In the late 1970s, I was a work-at-home mother. I did accountant/secretary-for-hire jobs. In 1980, I started a company that brokered contract programmers for IBM mainframe computers. I sold that company to one of the programmers in 1985; it is still in existence. Right after that, I started a business that I ended up disliking, so I closed it after a few years. In 1989, I started a home inspection service. I sold that company in 1997 to one of the inspectors, who retired this year.

I am not self-employed now. After my children were grown, I returned to school to pursue an old career dream, which is what I do now. Even though I work for others, I have complete autonomy doing what I love best of all.

I read a lot of your personal agony in this thread. Agony is a normal part of being human, but it would be a good idea to learn how to process those feelings so that they don't hinder your success. In my case, I have good friends that I can talk to when I'm feeling low, and that gets me over my bad feelings. Life is like a long swim in a turbulent ocean, so if you don't get rid of your resentments, they will act like concrete boots, and you will sink.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: wodgina on July 29, 2013, 05:32:28 pm
One of the thing
wodg quit talking so bad about yourself, theres gotta be someone you like

tyler, isn't the idea of being self employed that you generate enough capital to get by on your own?  why do you need an inheritance to start? come up with an idea, make it "real" and write it out, time lines, supplies, costs, whatever, find some one who is doing something similar and wants to work in the same direction, or not, or just network to find resources, get loans, grants, some kind of support.....

I know lol , I gotta stop doing that

Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: goodsamaritan on July 29, 2013, 08:56:44 pm
The err, slight catch is that 4 out of 5 businesses fail within the first five years. At least, that's the statistic I read. At the moment, I'm hopefully reading delusional books about earning millions selling on ebay etc., but  I am a cynic/realist. Of course, if I did become successfully self-employed, the likelihood would be that I would just barely break even the first few years before finally becoming truly solvent and independent and free.

So, what were your past successful self-employed businesses , if I might be so bold? Then again, I can't imagine anyone giving away  business secrets for free!

Hmm, I could  still do that rawpalaeo e-book, but it'll take a bit more effort to do a serious, original work than to just glean stuff from online data.

You just need to dream on, plan and do it.
Of course it is different strokes for different folks.
Learn from elders.  Eve's experience is wonderful.
My business feeds the kids and sends them to private schools.
As for those books that teach how to make millions, they are just like all the health books you buy with those who have succeeded and wish to share their success. 

Just see how stumped normal folk would be if we wrote health books.  All those people we had helped be cured of otherwise incurable diseases. Normal folk think it's too hard.

I'm a fan of those books and see how possible they all are.

I grew up in an entrepreneural family and can't imagine getting a normal salary which isnt much in my country.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: Wai Kai Zen on July 29, 2013, 09:26:53 pm
I feel for me I started to get succesfull in life after I failed like 1000 times.
Because the more I failed.. the less I got concerned with it.. no more fear for failure.

People around you (those you know and those you dont know) might give you a hard time or laugh at you or whatever.
But if you just go on anyway and fight everyday for what you want.. than at least you can be proud of trying.
My grandpa once told me that it wasnt untill his 40s that he stopped being scared for doing what he wanted to do.. after that he had a succesfull business and has been the happiest he has ever been. The only thing he regrets is that it took him so long before he stopped being scared.

All or nothing man.. get rich or die trying.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: Wai Kai Zen on July 29, 2013, 09:47:52 pm
Here.. a video that I think is very inspirational.
Its from a man who has lived on the street for 2 years and had nothing.
Now he is a very succesful motivational coach and this man talks about what it takes to be succesful.

http://youtu.be/CDFC16ptx-0 (http://youtu.be/CDFC16ptx-0)
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on July 30, 2013, 12:17:06 am
Thanks, eveheart. I will try to get rid of the resentments but it is very difficult given the past non-health-related problems I've had to endure.

I appreciate all comments, but have to admit I am extremely leery of those stating "follow your dream" and similiar  empty aphorisms. I have a cousin who "followed her dream" of being in the film-industry, for example. To date, she has mostly worked in low-paid jobs involving checking film-scripts and the like, and has never once managed to sell any of the film-scripts she herself wrote. I'd rather have a decent amount of(or a lot of)  money and do a job I hated and just immerse myself in my hobbies and sports  and holidays etc.

I suppose I am somewhat naive in wishing that someone could give me a detailed business-plan, complete with dozens of points, on how to set up a particular business and make it work. The other problem is that being self-employed usually requires great social skills which I ain't got.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: Wai Kai Zen on July 30, 2013, 12:24:40 am
For me.. I need to fulfill my dreamcareer.. I want it really bad.
Sure there are Always obstacles.. but there are ways to get around them or overcome them.

As long as your happy with where you are at then you are doing great :).
However, if your not.. you gotta at least try to pursuit something..
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: eveheart on July 30, 2013, 02:40:17 am
Thanks, eveheart. I will try to get rid of the resentments but it is very difficult given the past non-health-related problems I've had to endure.

Yes, it is very difficult to get rid of resentments. However, the pay-off is huge. There is a saying, "Holding on to a resentment is like ingesting poison and hoping the other person will die." The irony is that you are only killing yourself. Resentment prevents you from getting on with your life, so the scoundrel that wronged you goes on with business as usual, and you are stuck in a rut that you designed.

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I appreciate all comments, but have to admit I am extremely leery of those stating "follow your dream" and similiar  empty aphorisms. I have a cousin who "followed her dream" of being in the film-industry, for example. To date, she has mostly worked in low-paid jobs involving checking film-scripts and the like, and has never once managed to sell any of the film-scripts she herself wrote. I'd rather have a decent amount of(or a lot of)  money and do a job I hated and just immerse myself in my hobbies and sports  and holidays etc.

A dream job has to have economic value. I have many dreams without economic value, and I follow those, too - after I earn my living. Those dreams are my pastimes and hobbies.

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I suppose I am somewhat naive in wishing that someone could give me a detailed business-plan, complete with dozens of points, on how to set up a particular business and make it work. The other problem is that being self-employed usually requires great social skills which I ain't got.

The act of planning your business is what gives the business plan its value. The creativity you employ breathes life into the business. As far as what to select, I personally hold to the idea that you must love it. I've met plenty of people who work for themselves in non-public positions. One woman had a backyard filled with bathtubs in which she dyed fabrics for customers. Accountants, tax preparers, researchers can all get by without social skills.

I'm still wondering what you really want to do, if you have a clear picture of it.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on July 30, 2013, 04:10:39 am
Accountants do need to use social skills judging from some other forums I've checked.

I still have no real idea what to do.  I feel empty.

The trouble is that if I do things I love, it likely won't work. For example, I love dogs despite not having had the opportunity to have a pet. Being a dog-breeder only really works well if one either has certain dogs running in dog shows or if one has a puppy mill where one treats the dozens of dogs like sh*t. Hmm, I suppose a dog breeder feeding his animals on raw might work(?) but would be bloody expensive. Most pet-owners don't care about their animals and happily feed their pets on kibble etc., so finding the right clientele would be damned difficult.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: sabertooth on July 30, 2013, 04:24:41 am
I just applied for a butchers assistant job. I will be going out to farms and killing cows and other animals for money. It will be a good experience to learn everything about the trade. Most of the animals will be grain finished but I will get to pick and choose from the scraps. They throw out barrels of parts,

I picked up two cows heads today.

I could feed a whole puppy farm with what these guys throw out( too bad its all corn finished)
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: Dr. D on July 30, 2013, 06:25:23 am
Accountants do need to use social skills judging from some other forums I've checked.

I still have no real idea what to do.  I feel empty.

The trouble is that if I do things I love, it likely won't work. For example, I love dogs despite not having had the opportunity to have a pet. Being a dog-breeder only really works well if one either has certain dogs running in dog shows or if one has a puppy mill where one treats the dozens of dogs like sh*t. Hmm, I suppose a dog breeder feeding his animals on raw might work(?) but would be bloody expensive. Most pet-owners don't care about their animals and happily feed their pets on kibble etc., so finding the right clientele would be damned difficult.

The breeder I bought my working line German Shepherd in my avatar picture came from East German and Czech lines. She cost me $1500 USD. The breeder is a business breeder and is full-time with her family. She is very well researched and knows what her clients want and works directly with them. Almost all her dogs (over 30) are imports from either Germany or Czech. The remaining non-imports are still from import lines. All titled (many with SCH3 or KKL1 titles). All have clear hips and DM free. She has been breeding for almost 20 years now she said, with (as far as I can tell) almost all of her litters being fully reserved before they are even born, even though they have a ridiculously high cost. She encourages raw feeding (how I got into it for my dogs and myself actually) and feeds her dogs raw as much as possible (tough with 30+ dogs, but they are still very healthy)

My point is, it's not impossible to see breeding as too small of a clientele, even if you are putting yourself into an elitist realm of breeding working line or show line dogs. The biggest problem I see is the initial investment would be very expensive. However, if you are in the right area, get to know the right people, word gets around. For example, in the 3 months I've owned my pup, I've already directed about 4 serious dog buyers her direction. I was a satisfied customer and want to see her continue to succeed, as I'm sure she will be my breeder for the rest of my life.

You could also train, if you have any idea where to go with that. A KKL1 dog (titling is done ONLY in Germany, it is the most prestigious title for a German Shepherd) like this one http://schraderhausk9.com/dino.htm (http://schraderhausk9.com/dino.htm) can go for about $10,000 USD. Granted it takes years of training so that is a little impractical unless you can train many dogs as they grow. Also, being a breeder selling pups from a line like that... oh yeah... people will buy left and right. Also, I think there is more money and steady clientele in working lines than show lines, selling to police stations, farms for herding, guard dogs, PPDs, tracking, SAR, therapy dogs, etc., dogs will always be able to do certain jobs that humans can't do, so they will always be sold.

You could also have a big impact on the dog/human diet world, getting them away from kibble and other processed foods. My breeder links pages from Wai and I was so confused when I first read that he was talking about humans eating raw meat. Besides, feeding your dogs raw I GUARANTEE they will be some of the most beautiful dogs people have ever seen.

I'm a little passionate about dogs too. :D
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: jessica on July 30, 2013, 06:30:52 am
the raw pet food thing is definitely big in the states, definitely bigger then raw vegan or raw paleo for humans.  have you done research to see if there is interest or a market tyler?
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on July 30, 2013, 07:52:18 am
Admittedly no.

Thanks for the massive info Dr D!   ;D  That's the sort of  detailed info I was looking for. Not sure if I could get the initial startup money needed for a year or two yet, but it's certainly an idea. Checking online, my local area does seem to grasp things like the BARF diet a bit, so some pet-owners here  might well value such raw-fed pets a lot.

Any more details of other startup ideas of the calibre of DR D? Thanks, I just love this forum. 

In the meantime, I do have this raw food e-book to do, but I realise that it will take a long time before I will be really satisfied with it. I don't want just another New-Agey diet book with simple illustrations and simple words, I want to present a book with lots of scientific references/data so that  people can be convinced to go raw on a logical, common-sense basis.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: goodsamaritan on July 30, 2013, 07:56:13 am
Tyler,

Make your business plan and projections run on a spreadsheet like excel.  If you can make it profit there then there is a chance it will profit in the real world.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: eveheart on July 30, 2013, 08:19:58 am
TD, how would your social skills be if you were talking about BARF face-to-face with a dog owner? or if you were talking to a dog fancier about a breed he might buy from you? I'm guessing that you would never be at a loss for words in the right situation.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on July 30, 2013, 08:43:49 am
TD, how would your social skills be if you were talking about BARF face-to-face with a dog owner? or if you were talking to a dog fancier about a breed he might buy from you? I'm guessing that you would never be at a loss for words in the right situation.
Sure, but buying a decent dog is the problem, at this stage. Maybe later I will be able to afford it.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: Dr. D on July 30, 2013, 09:01:00 am
the raw pet food thing is definitely big in the states, definitely bigger then raw vegan or raw paleo for humans.  have you done research to see if there is interest or a market tyler?

Definitely this. I read of many Americans feeding their dogs raw admitting whole-heartedly they feed their dogs better than themselves.

Admittedly no.

Thanks for the massive info Dr D!   ;D  That's the sort of  detailed info I was looking for. Not sure if I could get the initial startup money needed for a year or two yet, but it's certainly an idea. Checking online, my local area does seem to grasp things like the BARF diet a bit, so some pet-owners here  might well value such raw-fed pets a lot.


Also, check your area for how often and big trials are. The various types are schutzhund (I'm positive Germany is REALLY big on it and would value well-bred dogs, GSD, Doberman, and Rottweiler are the most common but Belgian Melanois are getting really big too), Agility, herding, tracking, and of course, conformation showing.

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Any more details of other startup ideas of the calibre of DR D? Thanks, I just love this forum.

My mom is a florist in an area that doesn't have one for 90 miles in either direction. We do a lot of driving but she gets a lot of business. Not saying you have to be a florist, but just look for something that people like but isn't available in your area.

Probably a way to start dog stuff if you don't have a lot of money to invest into breeding dogs, is to read books on breeding/conformation/temperament of the breed youre most interested in. That should help build some working knowledge and passion for it, without much time/money invested. Also, find the circles of dog lovers, go to trials, talk with people and see who their breeders are, see if anybody feels like they are lacking in quality breeding in the area, perhaps even make friends with the breeder and say you want to get into it. The dog I linked is co-owned by three kennels. That dog is seriously one of the best GSDs I've seen in my life and the breeders knew it so they compiled their money and breed him to whatever females they think would be best bred to out of each ones respective kennels. That's a good way to invest; say you would like to co-own a stud with someone and will put the money and work down. That would be part-time of course but that's the joy of co-ownership, smaller investment, smaller return, but your foot is in the door.

I don't know what passions you have but think of whatever hobbies you like to do and find a way to make money, regardless of what people say. As a musician, I don't have to only gig live shows, I can teach privately, record, buy/sell instruments, there is digital music that's getting big, etc. It really comes down to what you love the most, and being creative. Talk to everyone around you about it 24/7 until they see you and say "oh here he comes, he's gonna talk about x." But that will get it out there and you can get responses.

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In the meantime, I do have this raw food e-book to do, but I realise that it will take a long time before I will be really satisfied with it. I don't want just another New-Agey diet book with simple illustrations and simple words, I want to present a book with lots of scientific references/data so that  people can be convinced to go raw on a logical, common-sense basis.


In terms of your book, I've seen a lot of your posts and you're very good at including science and those type of "diet" or "nutrition" books have held the most weight for me, as opposed to ones based on theory. I found more help from Body by Science than Why we get fat, although both were awesome, but body by science had so much complete observation and ruling out alternatives.

Sure, but buying a decent dog is the problem, at this stage. Maybe later I will be able to afford it.

I would definitely try to co-own with one or more established breeders, which would allow you to build a kennel of bitches. Then after enough litters, buy your own stud and re-breed all your bitches. Then grow from there.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: goodsamaritan on July 30, 2013, 09:09:04 am
If you look at aging countries such as Japan, dog / pet ownership is a sunrise industry. (pets are cheaper than kids they say) 
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: wodgina on July 30, 2013, 01:29:45 pm
If you look at aging countries such as Japan, dog / pet ownership is a sunrise industry. (pets are cheaper than kids they say) 


I think your right GS ( I can spot a business guy a mile away).

Always ask successful business people for business advice. Do not ask your friends or family what they think of your business idea. When you start a business you will realise the stress can be huge there is no end to the fighting for money, dealing with everyones issues and meltdowns. You will have people that will tell you' no you cant do this' 'you need this' and 'this and this license'.

I couldn't think of anything worse than having a dog farm a bit yuck. I'm not a dog owner and never would but I like them and like the one in Dr's photo.

Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on July 30, 2013, 04:31:41 pm
I'm afraid that the dog business is out, really. It was pointed out that I don't have a garden for the dogs, so, despite my having a very large flat, the dogs would chew up the furniture. I am not clearly a very  practical man.

Any other ideas? The big problem is that I live in a capital city so things like florists are rather too available here.

My hobbies are rather too limited. Yoga is all very well but my body-shape isn't suited so a job as a yoga teacher wouldn't work. I can't make a job out of rugby or whatever.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: Wai Kai Zen on July 30, 2013, 05:04:20 pm
I think its important you find out for yourself what you want..
How you can do this?
Make 2 lists; one list of 10 qualities that you and/or others recognize about you, one list of the things you like in your life.
When you combine things your good at with the things you like then you got yourself a goal.

An example of some of my things:

Things I like                                                                                    Things Im good at

-diet (raw paleo)                                                                                        -coaching one on one
-attraction between man and woman                                               -talk in front of groups
-helping someone out                                                                             -never giving up
-going out                                                                                                   -motivate people
-explore new ideas                                                                                   -make friends
-humble people who strive to become better                                -working hard
-out of the box thinking                                                                         -being flexibel
-reaching goals others find impossible


Now I could go on with this.. but this helped me come to the conclusion that I want to help men find a partner in life.
Im also busy with a theory that connects diet with attraction.. and gonna do some more tests and observation on this.
I even know which organisation I want to join and Im preparing everything into perfection just so that these guys will take me seriously. Achieving this goal doesnt happen overnight. Its about putting hours into preparation.. could take a year, maybe 2.. who knows.. but working on the goal and seeing progress is what counts.
When I reach the goal Id be soo proud of myself.

Well.. sorry about the talk about me, but it is to give you an example.
Make them lists and itll help you set a goal.

 ;D
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on July 30, 2013, 05:49:23 pm
Well, if I did that, it would involve teaching others how to go rawpalaeo. But, in my current country, one cannot get involved in diets unless one is  a certified doctor or dietician. Other countries seem to allow nutritionists to appear with virtually no certification at all.

Any others have any suggestions?
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: Dr. D on July 30, 2013, 11:43:28 pm
Is it giving medical advice that's not allowed, or claiming to be a dietician/nutritionalist/doctor without certification?

My first thought is to make up a title that isn't legally bound; food counselor, nutrition guide, something that technically won't get you in trouble because you aren't claiming certification.

the other thing is disclaimers; "the government does not approve of this practice and this diet has no guarantee to heal, cure, or treat any disease or disorder. This diet is for entertainment purposes only" or something stupid like that. On paper is all that matters, the rest you can simply guide people and let the results speak for themselves. Again, try it short term. See what you can do. Charge a little for meetings so you seem like an already successful businessman. Don't give the milk free, make them buy the cow. People will be less dismissive of a diet/lifestyle they had to buy to learn about.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on July 31, 2013, 12:12:30 am
it wouldn't work. I need more social skills for that sort of thing anyway and the government really cracks down on this practice  unless you are really a certified doctor.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: van on July 31, 2013, 02:24:22 am
Back to the dogs again,,  in the US, dog walking is a very (or can be) lucrative business.  Probably would have to be a high end urban area where people with their busy lives don't have time to ....
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: wodgina on July 31, 2013, 02:52:39 am
Back to the dogs again,,  in the US, dog walking is a very (or can be) lucrative business.  Probably would have to be a high end urban area where people with their busy lives don't have time to ....

That is actually a great idea especially in L. town. Maybe start off doing it out of work hours to see the potential.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: jessica on July 31, 2013, 03:33:38 am
tyler, just throwing his out here, but you should do improv.  do they have that where you are? its just ridiculous interactive comedy that pretty much breaks you out of your social patterns, comfort zone and really helps to improve connections with others and also wit.

I am a damn clever person in person, and it helps, I can chop it up with almost anything, but its because I have a great deal of empathy and feel like I can connect and get into another persons situation, to know how to relate to them, improv is really great for improving these skills.  its also absolutely ridiculous, you cant judge yourself or others, its just about making people feel happy and laugh...just something to look into.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: Wai Kai Zen on July 31, 2013, 03:56:24 am
Instead of breeding dogs.. maybe just start some sort of advice agency that helps dog owners with raw paleo diet.
Doest cost a lot of money to start it up + you already have the knowledge and experience.

P.s. Not the best in grammar, but I hope u catch my drift.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on July 31, 2013, 04:58:20 am
I fear that in this country, I would have to be a veterinarian in order to be allowed to dispense nutritional advice re dogs.

I've read online that dog-walking is rather poorly-paid. Unless, I suppose, I knew a few celebrity dog-owners  - fat chance!

Any other ideas welcome! I'm  a desperate man. Well, OK, there is that e-book on rawpalaeo but I fear it will bring in peanuts.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: wodgina on July 31, 2013, 05:21:19 am


There is a lot of money in waste removal In most big cities maybe you could start some sort of hygiene/sharps/cleanup/drug lab clean up business?
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on July 31, 2013, 05:33:39 am

There is a lot of money in waste removal In most big cities maybe you could start some sort of hygiene/sharps/cleanup/drug lab clean up business?

Well, I gather there are a number of  truck removal businesses who offer to remove peoples' junk for nothing, but it's all sent up as a market. No idea re waste-removal, wouldn't I need some sort of certificate and a degree re drug-lab etc.?
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: sabertooth on August 01, 2013, 03:47:31 am
 I am now a professional butcher. Going out to a farm Monday to assist in the slaughter, skinning, gutting , and hanging of two cows.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: Wai Kai Zen on August 01, 2013, 04:02:46 am
I am now a professional butcher. Going out to a farm Monday to assist in the slaughter, skinning, gutting , and hanging of two cows.

Arent you also a stripper/poledancer?
Much respect man. U really go for what u want.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: ys on August 01, 2013, 06:39:26 am
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I am now a professional butcher. Going out to a farm Monday to assist in the slaughter, skinning, gutting , and hanging of two cows.

awesome.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: PaleoPhil on August 01, 2013, 08:19:53 am
Congrats Sabertooth!
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: cherimoya_kid on August 01, 2013, 09:59:45 am
Absolutely, congrats from me too.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: jessica on August 01, 2013, 11:42:20 am
basically what everyone is trying to say is that the only true way to become a success is through pole dancing and slaughtering....haha sabertooth is truly a beast

but tyler you seem willing to consider anything, I wonder what you would wish for if you could just imagine up a job that would suit you to a t.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on August 01, 2013, 12:48:11 pm
My imagination has sadly disappeared. Ah well, I'm off on holiday. Keep coming up with suggestions, though.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: Amurti on August 01, 2013, 09:45:04 pm
How about opening a raw paleo cafe/restaurant or just join one of them?
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on August 18, 2013, 11:30:50 pm
How about opening a raw paleo cafe/restaurant or just join one of them?
Restaurants are notoriously prone to failure. Getting a bank loan to start one up is also a rather unlikely prospect.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: bookittyrun on August 18, 2013, 11:59:19 pm
you could sit on your bum all day, smoking crack and living off of government assistance programs.

that's what americans do who lack the motivation to try something "out of the box".     ;)
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on August 19, 2013, 12:58:32 am
you could sit on your bum all day, smoking crack and living off of government assistance programs.

that's what americans do who lack the motivation to try something "out of the box".     ;)

Look, if I followed some of the new-age guff that people have spouted re "following your dream", "thinking out of the box" etc., then I suppose I would become a rawpaleodiet guru. Trouble is that I am a realist and know I have the "charisma" of Ebenezer Scrooge, and am too honest and not greedy enough. Still, it's a nice idea in fantasy land... start  a cult  like L Ron Hubbard, tell everyone that they need to be rawpalaeo in order to be saved, promise them salvation/perfect health as long as their money rolls in.. etc.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on August 19, 2013, 01:15:34 am
Hmm, I have actually been considering the consumption of psylocibin as a drug. No idea where to get it as the poster who mentioned it did not elaborate. Who knows? Maybe I will hallucinate a new job-idea that is workable.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: eveheart on August 19, 2013, 01:31:32 am
Hmm, I have actually been considering the consumption of psylocibin as a drug. No idea where to get it as the poster who mentioned it did not elaborate. Who knows? Maybe I will hallucinate a new job-idea that is workable.

Actually, that is how it works. Whether you need to enhance your imagination with hallucinogens or not, you need to come up with the idea and the adjustments that will make it work. After all, Ebeneezer Scrooge was gainfully employed, despite his personality. And, if a part of your personality is standing in the way of your desired career, change your personality. Or, try some things and fail at them. Oh, and while you're at it, stop being so angry at your brother - your anger is creating stagnation.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: bookittyrun on August 19, 2013, 01:33:55 am
Hmm, I have actually been considering the consumption of psylocibin as a drug. No idea where to get it as the poster who mentioned it did not elaborate. Who knows? Maybe I will hallucinate a new job-idea that is workable.

now you're on to something!     ;)

try starting, here:
http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/health/study-magic-mushrooms-repair-brain-damage-from-extreme-trauma/ (http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/health/study-magic-mushrooms-repair-brain-damage-from-extreme-trauma/)
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on August 19, 2013, 02:17:10 am
Well, this thread didn't lead anywhere, sadly. I do appreciate the more useful points made. I just wish that I could just search online and find a usable startup/self-employed idea after a short while . Just selling "anything" online is way too vague a concept re a viable, profitable job.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on August 19, 2013, 02:19:02 am
I have one or two unlikely ideas, one of which might work(after a long while of  job retraining). I just wish I had a dozen other options open as well.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on August 19, 2013, 02:25:52 am
it's difficult re avoiding anger with my brother. He's a real sociopath and has harmed me in a number of ways.

Change personality? Sort of like changing lead into gold, really.

Hmm, keep trying and failing... Sounds fine except I need a lot more ideas to do that. So far, I have had a dozen ideas but most turned out to be a waste of time even before I tried to get them started.

I just wish there was some searchable stuff re self-employed jobs for those with poor social skills. The few items I have found were jokes, not really serious at all, with obviously no research done.

Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: eveheart on August 19, 2013, 02:47:43 am
Take one of those "job inventories" that ask you a bazillion questions and return a list of suitable job titles. While this won't tell you what to do, it will provide food for thought.

P.S. You don't HAVE TO be angry at someone just because they are a sociopath. You can take the attitude that it's the other person's problem, and move on.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on August 19, 2013, 03:54:38 am
Oh, you mean career planning assessments/job aptitude assessments? I've done those recently  but they lead nowhere, usually citing jobs that require years of study/retraining to do. Thanks, though, for the idea. I appreciate any info provided. Hmm, maybe one last try at such tests..... one never knows.

Just did one. Labelled me a thinker and gave me tons of job suggestions requiring 4 year college degrees like archaeologist etc., many of which really require a PHD as well.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: aLptHW4k4y on August 19, 2013, 04:19:51 am
Let's say you hate your current job, and want to change careers into something wholly different. Let's say that any extra retraining ought to take no more than one year or so, and the new career is  a better-paying one than the one before. What career would you choose? I'd like to have some suggestions from any of you.
I guess it depends on your current job. But web development/design is something you could easily master in a year, and at the moment it is seriously overpaid for the little time you invest to get good at it. You can easily build a whole portfolio and good online visibility (blogs, github, etc.) in a year and you're good to go. I think for pretty much anything else either you need to be highly skilled (many years of training and experience) or there's already some robot replacing you.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: jessica on August 19, 2013, 04:31:32 am
you can grow them,  you can hunt them, you can visit places where they are legal to consume

I would suggest doing all three.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: Iguana on August 19, 2013, 05:06:17 am
When I had to stop working as a truck driver because I became allergic to the exhaust gases (in most such jobs, drivers sometimes have to keep the engine idling to drive some sort of ancillaries or get compressed air, for example to raise the pneumatic suspension to load a container), I wanted to learn to properly use a PC and the “Word” software to typewrite the book I was writing. The unemployment scheme was paying for such lessons if they found it useful for someone to find a new job. But the guy in charge told me that, yes, he could register me for such a course but first I would have to follow another course  in which it will be determined what kind of new job was suitable for me. I was reluctant because I though this tutorial would prove to be a useless joke. But I followed it anyway in view to get the next one about how to use “Word”.

During this course, we had to reply to an interminable and intricate list of question on a printed document of several pages. This was analyzed by a software…. which found out that I could be either a university teacher ( ;) LOL!) or a technical writer on automotive technology. I laughed at the first suggestion but I said, yes, I might do the second thing. They taught us how to properly make job offers and we had to do one as an exercise. As it was done, printed and anyway ready to be sent, I sent it to the only media in Switzerland which is publishing sometimes such stuff. To my utmost surprise, they answered positively, we met and they agreed to publish my articles. It was an experience which didn’t last long, but I learned the job in practice and one and half year later was offered another job which I still do now.

I laughed again when I learned that the school of mechanical engineering of my home town which fired me when I was 17 (because I was always ill) is now a subscriber to  our publication and its profs congratulated my colleague and I for the quality of our work. Thus I got a little revenge!  ;)

You may get yours in the same way, just do what you like and want to do, what you can excel in.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on August 19, 2013, 05:33:27 am
you can grow them,  you can hunt them, you can visit places where they are legal to consume

I would suggest doing all three.
In my current country, you can grow them and buy the seeds, but can't buy them in processed form, sadly, it seems. I suppose one can grow them in a flat, on a window-sill or whatever? I'll have to check the dosage and start small. Are there any nasty side-effects if I eat the mushroom, other than the hallucinations. Well, from what I've just read, I stand little chance of becoming an addicted  dope-fiend from magic mushrooms, that's something at least.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on August 19, 2013, 05:48:51 am
Thanks Iguana, it's exactly that sort of personal experience info that helps give me a wider experience of the world of work. Pity I can't get anything out of such tests, though.

Anyone have  any startup tips re self-employment that don't require massive financial investment?  Wasn't there someone here once who claimed that he earned more than half a million dollars a year on my one income-survey of rawpaleoforum members? Maybe  he/she could suggest a legitimate  get-rich-quick scheme  of some sort?!! OK, I'm just reaching, here.  -[

Sadly, my honesty is ruining my career prospects. I can think of two other instances where I could make lots of cash. One guy, for example, used to write ads in the UK's Private Eye magazine, promising a way to make more money. A couple wrote back and got a dirty letter a month later, stating, humorously, that the best way to get rich quick was to post an ad guaranteeing money-making opportunities in return for a small cash-advance. Another guy I once actually knew  :o  was a notorious  charismatic con-man who fleeced  suckers left right and centre of hundreds of thousands of pounds a year, and has always gotten away with it, leaving foreign banks with huge debts and defrauding multitudes - he even managed to defraud me of a sizeable sum. Whatever one might think of such "careers", at least they don't require anything in the way of a certificate or retraining!  ;D :D
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on August 19, 2013, 05:52:23 am
Web developer sounds better than web designer, I think? Well, if I can do that freelance and still get paid without needing a 3 year course at university etc., it's worth it. I am finally getting a new PC, not this aged Mac, so I should be able to do something re programming unless other job-options interfere.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: bookittyrun on August 19, 2013, 06:14:52 am
it seems the more suggestions you humor, the less likely you are to find an answer.  instead of asking the forum, you should just ask yourself, since this is where the answer needs to come from.

i also think you've mistaken yourself as being a "realist".  the only thing you've replied with in this thread is "negativity".  you've shot down every suggestion without making an effort to succeed.  a realist would look at a situation, analyze it, and then figure out how to make it work.  i've read some of your articles regarding nutrition and diet.  they're quite good.  it's obvious you put a lot of thought and effort into this area.  run with that, and figure out how to be a "rawpaleodiet guru".  get the accreditation you need, and start working with people on a personal consultation type basis, whether in person or online.  like a personal trainer for people who want to exercise, you can help guide and motivate people to live more healthy and eat better.  go food shopping with them and help them make smart choices.  don't just sit there and tell everyone why you can't do it, start to figure out how.  eat some mushrooms and stare at the bathroom sink.  then, forgive your brother and move on with your life.  pursue happiness, don't come up with excuses why you can't.  and if you need further schooling, do it.  my great-aunt graduated college in her 70's.  she would be disappointed in you for not trying to further yourself.

i'm done here.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on August 19, 2013, 06:42:21 am
Well, that was rather harsh and unhelpful.  I  was using humour because I am not in a good situation,  I was not intending to mock anyone, and am actually very grateful for any suggestions, whatever they may be. The fact that I shot many(by no means all) of them down due to some knowledge of my own limitations or circumstances or whatever, is not "negative" at all. I am perfectly well aware that I need many dozens of different ideas - of those, some will be  wholly ill-suited for me given my current situation/abilities etc., others will not work because they require something I cannot give due to time-constraints/lack of cash,  still others may not even be viable in the current economic climate etc., with perhaps only a dozen or so ideas out of 100s  likely being worth me investing a lot of time and effort in. That's why I am so grateful for any ideas, as even bad ones are useful in that they close some unnecessary paths/career-options and maybe even open up other possibilities to explore, at the same time.

Being a rawpaleodiet guru requires rather more than I've got, such as Aajonus's charisma-levels etc. I can do a rawpaleodiet e-book, and will indeed do it when I have my new PC soon, but in my current country, there are precious few rawists, let alone RPDers for an audience, and I've been told that one needs to be a doctor here to be able to qualify as a nutritionist/diet-guru. Come to think of it, even homeopaths and the like need to be doctors. Silly rule, but there it is.....
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: jessica on August 19, 2013, 08:22:45 am
Actually, that is how it works. Whether you need to enhance your imagination with hallucinogens or not, you need to come up with the idea and the adjustments that will make it work. After all, Ebeneezer Scrooge was gainfully employed, despite his personality. And, if a part of your personality is standing in the way of your desired career, change your personality. Or, try some things and fail at them. Oh, and while you're at it, stop being so angry at your brother - your anger is creating stagnation.

precisely.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: jessica on August 19, 2013, 08:27:42 am
Well, that was rather harsh and unhelpful.  I  was using humour because I am not in a good situation,  I was not intending to mock anyone, and am actually very grateful for any suggestions, whatever they may be. The fact that I shot many(by no means all) of them down due to some knowledge of my own limitations or circumstances or whatever, is not "negative" at all. I am perfectly well aware that I need many dozens of different ideas - of those, some will be  wholly ill-suited for me given my current situation/abilities etc., others will not work because they require something I cannot give due to time-constraints/lack of cash,  still others may not even be viable in the current economic climate etc., with perhaps only a dozen or so ideas out of 100s  likely being worth me investing a lot of time and effort in. That's why I am so grateful for any ideas, as even bad ones are useful in that they close some unnecessary paths/career-options and maybe even open up other possibilities to explore, at the same time.

Being a rawpaleodiet guru requires rather more than I've got, such as Aajonus's charisma-levels etc. I can do a rawpaleodiet e-book, and will indeed do it when I have my new PC soon, but in my current country, there are precious few rawists, let alone RPDers for an audience, and I've been told that one needs to be a doctor here to be able to qualify as a nutritionist/diet-guru. Come to think of it, even homeopaths and the like need to be doctors. Silly rule, but there it is.....

that's why in the "what are your passions" thread I stated that everything I am truly passionate about is illegal

because if everyone could follow through with all the things they deem "against the rules", the system that created them wouldn't continue.  do you see how you get trapped?  rules only serve to suit themselves. 

but our thoughts and wills are still truly free, and if you make everything that is within your control limitless by imposing no rules.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: cherimoya_kid on August 19, 2013, 10:03:22 am
Geoff, have you thought about studying microbiology?  You could use that to prove the usefulness of the raw paleo diet. You could even do your dissertation on the effects of cooked versus raw foods on cell health.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on August 19, 2013, 06:31:10 pm
Geoff, have you thought about studying microbiology?  You could use that to prove the usefulness of the raw paleo diet. You could even do your dissertation on the effects of cooked versus raw foods on cell health.
Err, I have no plans on doing several more years of courses. I mean if I were the son of a multimillionaire, fine, but otherwise....  Still we do need some more people here doing scientific treatises on raw vs cooked. If I recall, one or two of us are doing some things in that line.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on August 19, 2013, 06:33:23 pm
but our thoughts and wills are still truly free, and if you make everything that is within your control limitless by imposing no rules.
  That's all very well, but I am not a fan of going to prison or being fined heavily etc. If I could always get away with breaking the law, fine, but I don't know of any sure way.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: jessica on August 19, 2013, 08:53:16 pm
  That's all very well, but I am not a fan of going to prison or being fined heavily etc. If I could always get away with breaking the law, fine, but I don't know of any sure way.

I am only saying, break the rules you have imposed upon yourself.  basically I see this tread as you reaching out, others trying to help you to expand your idea of what you can try and you just shooting every idea down, including your own ideas, with some self imposed rule or regulation or doubt, etcetcetc.  if you don't try anything and just stay inside your head, with doubts and disbeliefs, you will never accomplish anything, nothing ventured nothing gained. 
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on August 19, 2013, 09:26:33 pm
I'm happy to try, it's just that I don't want to do something that lasts months or years to get going  but then  fails because I didn't think of an obvious catch earlier on. 
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: aLptHW4k4y on August 19, 2013, 09:36:05 pm
I totally agree with how tyler is approaching it, you have to be very critical and careful in this kind of situation. If you blow it you'll probably end up at a lot worse position and it will be a lot harder to get out of it than it is now.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: eveheart on August 19, 2013, 10:36:53 pm
If a college degree is the path to your ideal occupation, you can earn your degree and work at the same time. My father did this, I did this, and my children did this. My son-in-law has earned his baccalaureate, his masters, and is working on his Ph.D. while working and supporting a family. You are probably his age. Life is long and has many different stages. You can do many things within its span of years.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: ys on August 20, 2013, 01:29:21 am
maybe play lottery...

I do
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on August 20, 2013, 01:32:14 am
maybe play lottery...

I do
I do, too, but it is hardly a career.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: Iguana on August 20, 2013, 04:19:38 am
If a college degree is the path to your ideal occupation, you can earn your degree and work at the same time. My father did this, I did this, and my children did this. My son-in-law has earned his baccalaureate, his masters, and is working on his Ph.D. while working and supporting a family. You are probably his age. Life is long and has many different stages. You can do many things within its span of years.

Yes. Also, a safe way is to start and try a new activity while still keeping the old job until the new one brings enough money.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: cherimoya_kid on August 20, 2013, 06:32:35 am
Err, I have no plans on doing several more years of courses. I mean if I were the son of a multimillionaire, fine, but otherwise....  Still we do need some more people here doing scientific treatises on raw vs cooked. If I recall, one or two of us are doing some things in that line.

You are clearly intelligent.  Couldn't you get a fellowship that would pay your bills while in school?  Most of the more intelligent grad students I know have their tuition paid for by scholarships, plus they get a yearly stipend as well.  They're not rich, but it's enough to pay their bills.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: Alive on August 20, 2013, 10:31:52 am
What job do you have now TD?

Could you take up meditation, qi gong, or other energy exercises so that you are switched on enough to enjoy the job you have?

Can you get promoted?

Could you write a sci fi novel with a raw paleo twist?

Could you run a health retreat out of your mums holiday home?

Could you ignore your health beliefs at work and make money out of vice?  I notice that we used to have a lot of fresh juice and salad bars at the malls, but they have been replaced by coffee, cakes, ice cream etc. It seems that modern people want to buy crap, so sell it to them!

Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: jessica on August 20, 2013, 09:23:54 pm
“The problems of the world cannot possibly be solved by skeptics or cynics whose horizons are limited by the obvious realities. We need men who can dream of things that never were.”
~ John Keats ~
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on August 20, 2013, 11:28:32 pm
You are clearly intelligent.  Couldn't you get a fellowship that would pay your bills while in school?  Most of the more intelligent grad students I know have their tuition paid for by scholarships, plus they get a yearly stipend as well.  They're not rich, but it's enough to pay their bills.
  I can get tuition paid for,not other things.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on August 20, 2013, 11:34:10 pm
What job do you have now TD?

Could you take up meditation, qi gong, or other energy exercises so that you are switched on enough to enjoy the job you have?

Can you get promoted?

Could you write a sci fi novel with a raw paleo twist?

Could you run a health retreat out of your mums holiday home?

Could you ignore your health beliefs at work and make money out of vice?  I notice that we used to have a lot of fresh juice and salad bars at the malls, but they have been replaced by coffee, cakes, ice cream etc. It seems that modern people want to buy crap, so sell it to them!


  Cannot give a long answer as I am at an internet cafe. My mac  is bust and I am waiting for days to get another one.

No to all questions. I work in the green sector, currently, realistic job description would be "pondscum", most probably. Ah well, do not expect me back online for another week. I hate these keyboards. I need an english language one, as i can type faster.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on August 21, 2013, 02:48:16 am
Well, for now I seem to be back online for now, due to  a miracle. Please come back at me with further suggestions.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: eveheart on August 21, 2013, 03:41:38 am
Suggestion: make a list of your strengths.

You have repeated your weaknesses, but enumerating these will not further your search for your career.

What are you great at? What are you passionate about?
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on August 22, 2013, 03:01:08 am
Hmm, no idea.

Strengths:-

Never taken a sick day in my life.

I am passionate about the raw diet. I am passionate about science fiction. I love playing PC games. I love skiing and mountain-hiking. Those don't really allow me ways to make money, though - (I'm good at skiing but nowhere near ski-teacher material etc.). Well, maybe my  eventual rawpaleodiet e-book will bring in a tiny bit, who knows?

Hmm, I really need to broaden my interests.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on August 22, 2013, 03:07:38 am
Well, web developer seems to be a possible option. I am considering retraining as a general computer programmer and learning web developing on the side in my own free time. I will need to learn a dozen new programming languages, but it's possible to go freelance as a web developer without needing a 3 year university course etc. Maybe I will be a web developer in a year or two of real, hardcore learning.


I am also slowly selling some of the junk in my flat. Who knows? Maybe I can make a living selling stuff online.
I'd have loved to have become a dog-breeder but  not having a garden with space for kennels is a non-starter.

Anyone have any other ideas?
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: ys on August 22, 2013, 03:14:33 am
I just want to tell you I know many people who jumped into programming bandwagon late 90s-early 2000 because money was good.  Years later a lot of them had to find something else to do because they hated programming that much.

If you are not passionate about it this could be another boring job.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: eveheart on August 22, 2013, 03:26:46 am
I'd have loved to have become a dog-breeder but  not having a garden with space for kennels is a non-starter.

Many businesses are run as a limited partnership, meaning that your limited partners provide the capital, and you provide the working hours. A kennel could be run on your limited partner's land, even if it is their backyard that has room for kennels. The land would represent their capital investment. You would be the working partner, and actually do the breeding and marketing of the dogs.

My old boss had a side business raising championship dogs. She lived in a condominium, her kennel partner lived in the country with room for the dogs.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on August 22, 2013, 05:46:03 am
I'm not worried about programming being boring, I'm way more interested in the money.

Re dog-breeding:- No opportunities re finding a business partner with cash or facilities for kennels or whatever. If I do anything self-employed, I'll have to go it alone.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: aLptHW4k4y on August 22, 2013, 02:12:21 pm
For (web) programming check this out, it will launch you right into what's current and in trend now: https://class.coursera.org/startup-001/class/index
It doesn't assume any previous knowledge as far as I know and it's all free. It was way too beginner level for me and I dropped it after the third class.
Title: Re: Vague question
Post by: TylerDurden on August 22, 2013, 06:36:52 pm
For (web) programming check this out, it will launch you right into what's current and in trend now: https://class.coursera.org/startup-001/class/index
It doesn't assume any previous knowledge as far as I know and it's all free. It was way too beginner level for me and I dropped it after the third class.
  Thanks.