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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: Poncho on August 30, 2013, 11:12:38 pm
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On youtube, a really ignorant guy said that "Aajonus the raw meat god died, at the age of 66." And that this certain cooked food culture somewhere else had a life expectancy of eighty-something.
As to imply that Aajonus died from poor health, due to diet...
I knew immediately that was a very stupid thing to say, but I did wonder if he was dead
I was skeptical, so I looked it up.
I found that Aajonus did die,
but not because of health problems.
Simply a freak accident in Thailand, a balcony collapse.
Apparently he broke his back and died later.
Does anyone know anything for sure?
Is it true?
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Unless AV writes a general message to all and sundry, I would say so. I knew morons would state that since AV died early that that disproves raw diets, but, of course, it does nothing of the sort since he died from an accident.
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:(
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they finally killed him.
R.I.P.
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who are 'they'? aliens?
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Something is on our side, don't worry.
No idea what it is, but its there. haha
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who are 'they'? aliens?
the same people who tied him down in the phillipines and injected him with god knows what. Same people who tampered with car and almost got him and his girlfriend killed. I dont know what other attempts hes had on his life but there might be more. They may not all be the same people but they hate him for the same reasons.
His book went after the vaccines, the pharmaceutical industry and a bunch of other groups that nobody had any idea about when the book came out. Hes the single most responsible person for raw meat being as legal as it is in america. He started the whole farm share thing and the dairy club thing thats huge in america right now.
and then his balcony suddenly collapses. give me a break. the guy who was with him says the balcony collapse looked completely artificial and apparently hes investigating the balcony now.
he was murdered by the now NDAA backed regime that makes it completely legal to murder us citizens without a trial. gun rights activists have been dropping like flies in the past year many of them clear assassinations. Its now legal to execute us citizens without a trial. This is what happened to aajonus, he has made many enemies during his life this is no secret.
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that's what I thought. aliens.
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and then his balcony suddenly collapses. give me a break. the guy who was with him says the balcony collapse looked completely artificial and apparently hes investigating the balcony now.
I'm skeptical as ys, but I can't definitely dismiss this without having further info. What are theses stories, where did you get them? What happened with his car? Who was the guy with him on the balcony? Could you provide a link, a reference?
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...gun rights activists have been dropping like flies in the past year many of them clear assassinations. Its now legal to execute us citizens without a trial. This is what happened to aajonus, he has made many enemies during his life this is no secret.
What gun rights activists in the US have been 'dropping like flies'? Also, how is it now legal to execute American citizens without a trial?
Methinks you've gone off the deep end, perhaps...
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Or smoking a little too much weed. Isn't one of the side effects of marijuana use paranoia?
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Or smoking a little too much weed. Isn't one of the side effects of marijuana use paranoia?
You're looking in the wrong place for conventionally-sane people. About the best you can hope for, with those among us who DIDN'T find this diet because we were ill and desperate for a cure, is that we'll become more evidence-based and less gullible as the years pass.
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;D
ROFL
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What gun rights activists in the US have been 'dropping like flies'? Also, how is it now legal to execute American citizens without a trial?
Methinks you've gone off the deep end, perhaps...
Look up NDAA it is now common knowledge that the government executes US citizens without trials. THis is what happened to anwar al awlaki and his son.
heres the names of a couple gun rights activists that have been kiled since NDAA
john noveske
kieth ratliffe
and of course who here doesnt know about the assassination of michael hastings?
and then theres even the mainstream news admitting that us citizens anwar al awlaki and his son were assassinated without a trial.
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I'm skeptical as ys, but I can't definitely dismiss this without having further info. What are theses stories, where did you get them? What happened with his car? Who was the guy with him on the balcony? Could you provide a link, a reference?
forced vaccine and images of injection sites can be found in aajonuses Fall, November 25th, 2009 newsletter. a summary can be found here. there is also more evidence of lab tests he took proving the attack on Late Fall December 21st, 2009
http://www.wewant2live.com/2011/05/25/by-subject-with-comments-3/ (http://www.wewant2live.com/2011/05/25/by-subject-with-comments-3/)
details of the car sabotaging and remarks by a witness of the absurd way in which the balcony fell can be found here
http://thecompletepatient.com/article/2013/august/29/death-life-controversy-follows-aajonus-vonderplanitz (http://thecompletepatient.com/article/2013/august/29/death-life-controversy-follows-aajonus-vonderplanitz)
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You're looking in the wrong place for conventionally-sane people. About the best you can hope for, with those among us who DIDN'T find this diet because we were ill and desperate for a cure, is that we'll become more evidence-based and less gullible as the years pass.
What does it matter if i was ill and desperate when I found the cure. I`m far from ill or desperate now.
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what does it matter if i was ill and desperate when I found the cure. Im far from ill or desperate now.
He's just saying we are all people from different than normal ways of life. That we are the kind of people that commonly throw what may be considered normal to the wind if it can benefit our lives.
People that are willing to eat raw and rotten meat are desperate and generally live with opinions on the edge of society. I'm sure he means no offense, rather that we should expect the unexpected 'round these here parts of town'
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svrn, is this newsletter on line somewhere? Your link doesn’t say more than those rather enigmatic words:
Fall, November 25th, 2009.
In this newsletter, Aajonus exposes the actual abduction and injections which took place in his hotel room at night in a small town in the Philippines. THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR READING THIS NEWSLETTER and viewing all the photos he took of the injection sites over a period of time, plus the remedies he used to get through the trauma of the toxic elements he received in those injections.
THIS IS A “MUST READ” NEWSLETTER in its entirety, along with his ideas of how this relates to the Swine Flu hoax mentioned in his last newsletter.
Your second link doesn’t provide any details, only reporting these tales:
While he’s there, Otting says he plans “to investigate the balcony. It was strange that it just gave way like that.”
Vonderplanitz related frequent tales about mysterious attempts on his life--he figured government or private corporate-hired agents working to derail his food rights activities were behind the efforts. In one episode a few years ago, he said he was tied to his bed in a hotel room in the Philippines while agents injected him with various toxic substances. In another last year, he said an auto he was driving in Thailand was sabotaged, causing it to roll over into a swamp; he and his girlfriend barely escaped from the car before they would have drowned, in his telling.
l) :o
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what does it matter if i was ill and desperate when I found the cure. Im far from ill or desperate now.
I roughly divide people who do this diet into two groups
1. Those who are just experimenting, and aren't doing it to fix specific health problems, and are pretty weird people, like me--these are usually younger men, often unmarried and have no children
2. Those are are chronically ill, and try it out of desperation, and are pretty conventional people otherwise--these are more often women, and often have children
There's some crossover between the two groups, and it doesn't always neatly split between the genders.
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heres the names of a couple gun rights activists that have been kiled since NDAA
john noveske
kieth ratliffe
and of course who here doesnt know about the assassination of michael hastings?
paranoia is oozing from of you.
i never heard of michael hastings. i bet many on this site have not either.
so 2 of the 3 people died in car accidents. there are over 30,000 people get killed in car accidents every year in the US.
it is very easy to make a conspiracy out of thin air.
i bet you think breitbart was assassinated too.
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I roughly divide people who do this diet into two groups
1. Those who are just experimenting, and aren't doing it to fix specific health problems, and are pretty weird peopld, like me--these are usually younger men, often unmarried and have no children
2. Those are are chronically ill, and try it out of desperation, and are pretty conventional people otherwise--these are more often women, and often have children
There's some crossover between the two groups, and it doesn't always neatly split between the genders.
do you think you have met enough to make that generalization? I don't even feel like there are enough people who I could generalize about who eat this way, everyone seems pretty different.
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kieth died from a bullet in the brain not a car accident. yes breitbart was asassinated as well.
stop the presses people! powerful people assassinate their enemies! we must alert everyone!
oh wait, everyone with a brain already knew that covert assassinations occur SINCE THE GOVERNMENT ADMITTED THAT THEY ASSASSINATE US CITIZENS WITHOUT A TRIAL. The only one denying this is you. Just google what happened to anwar al awlaki and remember that he was a US CITIZEN WHO RECEiVED NO TRIAL
do some of you people think governments dont assassinate people? are you people even living on planet earth? i sometimes seriously wonder how people in denial of such simple facts were able to figure out the raw animal food diet.
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svrn, is this newsletter on line somewhere? Your link doesn’t say more than those rather enigmatic words:
Your second link doesn’t provide any details, only reporting these tales:
l) :o
you have to buy the newsletters, i saw the lab reports and injection site images reposted online somewhere but cant remember where.
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I am a partial believer in that I believe that some fatal car-crashes involving celebrities are faked assassinations, but others obviously are genuine car-crashes.
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do you think you have met enough to make that generalization? I don't even feel like there are enough people who I could generalize about who eat this way, everyone seems pretty different.
Well, yeah. We do have some people who are both crazy experimenters AND were getting pretty desperate, like myself. In general, you do kind of have to be a little bit crazy to eat this way in Western society. However, I would put people like eveheart and Lex in the second group, and people like svrn and myself in the first group. Granted, there's somewhat of a continuum, but eveheart and svrn don't share much, either in worldview or in life experiences, so it's kind of nonproductive to put them in any kind of group together, for instance.
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and of course who here doesnt know about the assassination of michael hastings?
I had read in an automotive engineering forum what happened to journalist Michael Hastings who did something disrespectful of people's privacy, something he shouldn’t have done: he inquired and published about intimate relationships of US generals, including David Petraeus who was commander of the operations in Afghanistan and afterward became CIA Director. See
http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/off-topic/re-can-we-do-without-vegetablesgreens/msg102010/#msg102010 (http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/off-topic/re-can-we-do-without-vegetablesgreens/msg102010/#msg102010)
Was Michael Hastings' Car Hacked? Richard Clarke Says It's Possible
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/24/michael-hastings-car-hacked_n_3492339.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/24/michael-hastings-car-hacked_n_3492339.html)
Clarke said, "There is reason to believe that intelligence agencies for major powers" -- including the United States -- know how to remotely seize control of a car.
Coming Soon: Malware For Your Car
http://forums.autosport.com/topic/187469-coming-soon-malware-for-your-car/ (http://forums.autosport.com/topic/187469-coming-soon-malware-for-your-car/)
Nav needs to talk to vehicle speed and SWA and Ay so it can use dead reckoning when it loses the GPS signal (car parks, tunnels) and for lane detection. ESC needs those channels as well.
ESC can apply the brakes independently of the driver, ABS can disable them, and EPAS could fight the driver's control of the steering wheel, although a sufficiently determined driver could probably still steer the vehicle (you wouldn't, you'd let go).
Better drive an old car without those damned electronic "Advanced Driver Assistance Systems — ADAS"! It's terrifying that someone can remotely take control of your car.
I guess it’s quite possible Hastings’car was hacked. But the tales svrn reported about AV’s death seem far-fetched from top to bottom.
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Well, yeah. We do have some people who are both crazy experimenters AND were getting pretty desperate, like myself. In general, you do kind of have to be a little bit crazy to eat this way in Western society. However, I would put people like eveheart and Lex in the second group, and people like svrn and myself in the first group. Granted, there's somewhat of a continuum, but eveheart and svrn don't share much, either in worldview or in life experiences, so it's kind of nonproductive to put them in any kind of group together, for instance.
what you fail to realize is that eating raw foods is the opposite of crazy.
whats really crazy is eating cooked foods laced with biological weapons
society is crazy in this regard not us.
society is actually crazy and suicidal in every other regard as well.
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I had read in an automotive engineering forum what happened to journalist Michael Hastings who did something disrespectful of people's privacy, something he shouldn’t have done: he inquired and published about intimate relationships of US generals, including David Petraeus who was in charge of the operations in Afghanistan and afterward became CIA Director. See
http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/off-topic/re-can-we-do-without-vegetablesgreens/msg102010/#msg102010 (http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/off-topic/re-can-we-do-without-vegetablesgreens/msg102010/#msg102010)
Better drive an old car without those damned electronic "Advanced Driver Assistance Systems — ADAS"! It's terrifying that someone can remotely take control of your car.
I guess it’s quite possible Hastings’car was hacked. But the tales svrn reported about AV’s death seem far-fetched from top to bottom.
i didnt make up any of the aajonus stuff. IM jsut relaying the information aajonus gave all of us himself.
and these arent just stories. AAjonus documented the phillipines vaccine quite thoroughly, if that along with the witness testimony of his poor health immediately after the attack is as much roof as youll ever get about such a subject.
what more proof could you ask for? please tell me because I think youv just decided that this is impossible and nothing would convince you. If im wrong please tell me what else it would take to convince you.
remember that aajonus is the founder of the food right movement. He discussed the poisons in vaccines and pharmaceuticals and the governments eugenics programs decades before it became common knowledge. We wouldnt have the dairy clubs of today without his system which even my dairy club uses today. MAny raw dairy sellers admit that they owe much to aajonuses legal help and say they would be in jail for years now if it wasnt for him.
If anyone in the food rights movement is getting assassinated its him.
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how about investigating his accident itself. If was a second story balcony, that wouldn't be the best attempt at taking his life, for the odds are you'd survive a fall. If he was ambushed and survived the fall, he would then have too great of a chance for retribution. I think in the story that floated around in the beginning there was someone else there, how about finding that person and asking him. Otherwise, anything written here is mere speculation. And yes I agree, people get knocked off,, all the time. But why speculate?
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i didnt make up any of the aajonus stuff. IM jsut relaying the information aajonus gave all of us himself.
Yes, I've understood that you relayed it.
what more proof could you ask for? please tell me because I think youv just decided that this is impossible and nothing would convince you. If im wrong please tell me what else it would take to convince you.
The detailed account. Why would "they" have force vaccinated him? What's the point of such an intricate and risky enterprise? Why sabotage the railing of his balcony? It would be much easier to hack is car if “they” really wanted to kill him, like what was perhaps done for Michael Hastings. Not to drive it into a swamp, but… let’s imagine how it could have been like:
Suddenly the music stopped and terrorized Michael was additionally frighten by the irruption of a voice coming through the entertainment system:
“Good evening Mr. Hastings. I’m general xxxxx and I want to thank you for having at once destroyed my love relationship, my career, my reputation and my marriage .
You have certainly noticed that your beautiful new Mercedes is accelerating and that the brakes are inoperative. Don’t worry, it’s because I’m in control. Now, through the “Hill Start Assistance System” I’ve just disabled your electric parking brake as well. After you’ll have stared at the huge concrete bridge pillar on which I will steer your car launched at high speed, I’ll switch off the headlights too, as a supplementary precaution. No problem, I follow your trajectory through our highly accurate military GPS network while your car’s “Advanced Parking Guidance System” allows me to steer where I want. To insure my steering impulse, I will also brake the right front wheel through the ESP while maintaining the engine at full power via the motorized throttle.
I whish you a pleasant trip to the other world, whatever it’ll be for you, hell, paradise or nothingness. Bye-bye Mr Hastings.”
Wouldn’t it have been much more convenient than going trough all the trouble to surreptitiously sabotage a balcony railing for an uncertain result?
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his girlfriend was with him when it happened but only heard the collapse. mr. otting who is retrieving the body said he would investigate the balcony when he got there. Perhaps we will hear his results when he gets back here with the body.
what retribution? he had zero chance of retribution because he has zero chance of ever finding out who ordered the hit. On top of that whoever ordered the hit is clearly either a very powerful person or the government both of which someone like aajonus has no chance of retaliating against.
As to it being on only the second floor (maybe), the fact is that the fall did in fact kill him.
when assassinating figures such as this it is often very important that the assassination can be proven as such and that questions will always remain as to whether or not he was really killed such as the countless leaders of latin american countries who die of weaponized cancers (a very effective weapon since you can never know if it was real cancer or not).
another interesting case to look at is that of william coopers first almost successful assassination attempt in which a black sedan with tinted windows ran him off the road while he was on his motorcycle. He lost his leg due to this and during his hospital stay two agents came to him and said if he didnt shut up they would finish the job. Well he didnt shut up and ended up predicting 9/11 (a prediction which alex jones later copied) exactly as it was to occur months before it happened. In november of the following year the government sent police officers from a neighboring county after him who did finish the job. He also recalled being fired upon many times during his educational tours all around the country.
the point is that in assassinations such as these
1. they might not be trying to completely kill you and only being trying to scare you into shutting up
2. it is of utmost importance that it can never be definitively proven that an assassination took place. A traditional bullet to the head assassination such as that given to gun rights activist kieth ratliffe is only a last resort as it makes things too obvious.
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Yes, I've understood that you relayed it.
The detailed account. Why would "they" have force vaccinated him? What's the point of such an intricate and risky enterprise? Why sabotage the railing of his balcony? It would be much easier to hack is car if “they” really wanted to kill him, like what was perhaps done for Michael Hastings. Not to drive it into a swamp, but… let’s imagine how it could have been like:
Suddenly the music stopped and terrorized Michael was additionally frighten by the irruption of a voice coming through the entertainment system:
“Good evening Mr. Hastings. I’m general xxxxx and I want to thank you for having at once destroyed my love relationship, my career, my reputation and my marriage .
You have certainly noticed that your beautiful new Mercedes is accelerating and that the brakes are inoperative. Don’t worry, it’s because I’m in control. Now, through the “Hill Start Assistance System” I’ve just deactivated your electric parking brake as well. After you’ll have stared at the huge concrete bridge pillar on which I will steer your car launched at top speed, I’ll switch off the headlights as well, as a supplementary precaution. No problem, I follow your trajectory through our highly accurate military GPS network while your car’s “Advanced Parking Guidance System” allows me to steer where I want. To insure my steering impulse, I will also brake the right front wheel through the ESP while maintaining the engine at full power via the motorized throttle.
I whish you a pleasant trip to the other world, whatever it’ll be for you, hell, paradise or nothingness. Bye-bye Mr Hastings.”
Wouldn’t it have been much more convenient than going trough all the trouble to surreptitiously sabotage a balcony railing for an uncertain result?
there are infinite was of assassinating someone. Just because you think there could have been a better way doesnt mean it really would have been the best way.
Just think about it if every assassination was a car crash it would be too obvious.
also very few people in the world have access to car hacking technology. AAjonus had many enemies and id bet that most of them didnt have access to the car hacking technology. also his car WAS sabotaged but he survived that.
if you want his detailed account of the vaccine experience then buy the newsletter. Mere speculation of what would have been a better way to kill him is pointless as we can clearly see that a balcony sabotaging is very capable of killing somebody.
most importantly keep in mind that there are a million ways to assassinate someone such as the report of a russian defector in the 80s living in england who died of apparent cardiac arrest. upon the examination of his body, a very astute examiner noticed a tiny pellet in the back of the victims thigh. unde a picroscope he could see that the pellet had tiny little holes that released poisons into the blood stream. had he not found the pellet the death would have been deemed natural and not an assassination. long story short they caught up to the guy who injected the pellet with a special modified umbrella but when they got to his hotel room they found that he had already escaped and left behind a large briefcase full of dozens of implements of death including inhalants aerosols syringes powders many many chemicals. This was all discovered by the british government.
the profession of hitman is full of true professionals who can kill people without anyone being able to prove they were killed.This is their JOB.
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Well, I for one am heartbroken. Aajonus was a great man and I am blown away that he is gone forever.
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I believe his death very suspicious, but there aren't any red flags at the moment upon which to further speculate.
I have studied a number of assassinations, and believe that people like AV do get knocked off by jackals.
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I still think you should ask his girl friend, If she was there, she would have heard intruders etc, and was he unconscious until he died, if not, was he telling people about those who pushed him over? The story about have been injected... I'm sorry that sounds so much like his stories about coyotes. I think he had tendencies to elaborate beyond whatever reality one goes by.
Funny, I just watched a movie with Cassandra in the title about two brothers who get convinced they need to kill someone. Watching those two, it is easy to see how a potential would be assassin could have dubious skills and could resort to some very ineffective means.
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I still think you should ask his girl friend, If she was there, she would have heard intruders etc, and was he unconscious until he died, if not, was he telling people about those who pushed him over? The story about have been injected... I'm sorry that sounds so much like his stories about coyotes. I think he had tendencies to elaborate beyond whatever reality one goes by.
Funny, I just watched a movie with Cassandra in the title about two brothers who get convinced they need to kill someone. Watching those two, it is easy to see how a potential would be assassin could have dubious skills and could resort to some very ineffective means.
heard the intruders. sorry but you never hear a ninja in your home. otherwise it wouldnt be a ninja. Also they would not need to enter his home to tamper with the balcony.
i think you aer confused. im not saying he was pushed off the balcony. Im saying the balcony was tampered with. His girlfriend says she turned around when aaj went to the balcony and then just heard a huge crash as the balcony collapsed.
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Where did you read that she said this? I've not found an article available online that gave that level of detail. I fear you're making things up at this point in an attempt to bolster your claim that AV was assassinated.
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Yes, all this doesn't make sense. I thought it was only the balcony's railing that failed and now you say the whole balcony collapsed in a huge crash.
And how would a ninja have sabotaged a balcony without making any noise?
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Yes, all this doesn't make sense. I thought it was only the balcony's railing that failed and now you say the whole balcony collapsed in a huge crash.
And how would a ninja have sabotaged a balcony without making any noise?
Super-secret ninja hacksaws? concentrated sulfuric acid? silent explosives? gnawing ninja rodents?
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you guys are just taking the piss now. Assassination is an ancient art, people have been sneaking into peoples homes without detection for thousands of years this is nothing new.
not only that but the balcony could have been sabotaged when they werent home.
heres what his girlfriend says happened.
http://thecompletepatient.com/article/2013/august/31/dark-side-aajonus-vonderplanitz-legacy-how-end-came (http://thecompletepatient.com/article/2013/august/31/dark-side-aajonus-vonderplanitz-legacy-how-end-came)
“At the end of the week last week, Aajonus was with his girlfriend, in Thailand on a balcony on his house. He was cleaning a wound to his hand, and went to the railing to throw the rest of the washing fluid to the ground. She turned away to do something, and heard a crashing noise. The railing was broken, at least in that spot, and she heard moaning. She rushed to the ground below, and found him there."
the details of exactly what part of the balcony collapsed are still shoddy as some articles say it was the entire balocony and some say it was just a railing. WE dont have any idea what the balcony looked like at this point. Hopefully we will know more when otting gets back with the results of his investigation.
as far as red flags for sabertooth I believe that the previous two assassination attempts he made public are about as clear a red flag as one can ask for. as well as his girlfriend saying the whole fall was suspicious. WHy would he lean on a railing to pour out washing fluid onto the ground? its seems very odd that one would lean on a railing on a balcony while pouring out fluid.
it is true that there are more questions than answers at this point but this is what one would expect in a situation like this. as more info comes in the picture will be clearer.
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heres what the man himself has to say about the attempts on his life
Hi, health lovers,
Unfortunately for everyone, our liberties have narrowed to a frighteningly dangerous state. Industrial giants like banks, agriculture, pharma, oil and government are out of control. Some people who speak out against them are threatened and/or harmed.
Several of my clients have asked me to be more careful, to not speak the truth of food, industrial contamination of everything, and liberty. I just cannot sit back and keep my mouth shut or stop my pen.
It boggles my mind that people can accept, sit and watch injustice and assaults as if they were just unreal TV soap opera. I will die for my health and liberties before living as a diseased slave to this industrial oligarchy protected by the bureaucratic oligarchy (our
government) in this country and most of the industrialized world.
I cannot sit and watch 100s of millions of children being poisoned daily at birth to adulthood, if they live, by toxic potions called vaccines.
There is nothing more sinister than 99% of our politicians defending the medical fraud of vaccines because they have stock and financial interest in pharmaceuticals.
It astounds me that parents can so easily be persuaded to allow their children to be injected with any vaccine that has no nutrient value and is full of only toxic ingredients. Most parents do not research and demand to know specifically everything that is in vaccines and how it might effect their children.
Because of my stance on vaccines and specifically my international and domestic broadcasts about the Swine Flu H1N1 hoax from February through March of 2009, in April 2009 I was abducted and injected with three hypodermics full of poison. I am still affected by those poisons. I will probably be affected by them for another 40 years. If they caused genetic damage, I will be effect for life.
On July 1st, just 30 days ago, I was riding in my Toyota pickup truck to my farm in Thailand. The steering wheel began to shimmy at about 85 kph
(53 mph). Since I would be traveling to Finland in 3 days, I asked my girlfriend Pawadee to have the front end aligned while I was away.
I returned to Thailand on July 15th. My truck had had a complete checkup and wheel alignment at a respected Toyota dealership while I was in Finland. However, Pawadee was as surprised as I that between 95-105 kph
(59-65 mph) the truck slightly shimmied. It hadn’t for the few days she drove it while I was away after she had it aligned. Since I was going to be in Thailand for 5 days only, we decided that she would return my pickup truck to Toyota dealership right after I left Thailand and have the truck’s wheels and axle properly aligned again.
However, 3 days later, the day before I was to leave Thailand, we were traveling a narrow road with many sharp curves in late evening. At the seventh curve at about 25 kph (15 mph), the car veered off road, stopping about 2 meters from the roadway on a steep embankment. Even though we were not going fast, the truck traveled off road about 10 meters (30 ft.). WE should have stopped before the car left the pavement but the truck veered off road. It should not have veered at all.
My truck rolled on its side and landed on its roof, crushing the roof a little and shattering the windshield. Pawadee and I were upside down, secure in our seats by harnesses and seatbelts uninjured. Water began shooting through the floor above us. I realized the truck was slowly sinking under water.
I released my seatbelt and fell headfirst to the ceiling and shattered windshield. I braced my fall with my hands but cut my right knee on the shattered windshield; I was wearing shorts and teeshirt. Pawadee began to panic. I lowered her window. The water began pouring into the car and the car began to sink quickly. I released her seat belt and she fell into the water filling the car. I asked her to move fast out the opened window before the water trapped us in.
I decided not to open my window because the water would fill faster and I might be trapped in swamp sludge or quicksand. It was dark and I could not tell where we were. Dashboard lights were all we had to illuminate the cab.
Pawadee moved out the window and stood on the doors window edge, keeping half of her body above water. I tried to follow her but the truck had sunk so far that the force of the intruding water forced me back inside the cab. I grabbed the edge of the top of the door that was upside down and did a fast and strenuous pushup. However, the force of the incoming water was too great.
I was trapped underwater where I could not breathe. I tried another pushup but was stopped partially through the window-opening. I reached for the running board outside the car above me, grabbed it with one hand and turned my body around facing the door that was completely under water by then. I wanted to breathe but was still under water. I felt a urge to panic but decided not to panic. I reached upward and grabbed the running board with my other hand. With both hands and great force, I pulled myself above water and caught my first breath.
Pawadee and I crawled on the underside of the car that was still above water by few inches. The truck did not sink more. We were in a swamp.
Since we were so close to the swamp’s edge, I leaped from the truck to the edge of the swamp. Pawadee followed. My suitcases and brief case were all in the truck being soaked in the murkiest swamp water. I was thankful that those were all I had to worry about.
Several cars had stopped and shined their headlights into the swamp below. People had gathered and watched us emerge from the truck and swamp, alive. We climbed the embankment and saw only one skid mark, revealing that not only had the steering of one wheel been lose and misaligned but that the breaks had failed on the same side. That was the reason we did not immediately stop as we should have when the car began to veer.
The possibility that the mechanic was so negligent that he did not tighten the wheel to the axle and failed to connect the brake was farfetched. To me, there was no other explanation than someone had purposely sabotaged my truck, trying to seriously or fatally injure us.
If the wheel had veered at a great speed, we would probably be dead.
A tow truck was called. It arrived within 20 minutes. It wenched my truck from the swamp. Because it was not a crash accident, very little structural damage resulted to the pickup. Mainly, the roof and windshield were somewhat crushed from the tumble. However, my computer, camera, lenses, cell phones, numerous electronic surveillance equipment I carry for protection, and documents were destroyed.
Soaking wet, we went immediately to the nearest police station and filed a police report. Afterward, we went to Pawadee’s family’s home, only 20 minutes away from where we veered and toppled. It was her mother’s birthday and we had missed the party but everyone was happy we were alive and significantly uninjured.
It took 4 technicians and me 10 days in 3 cities to recover my email files and email address book from the harddrive of my unsalvageable laptop. For those who contacted me during the last 10 days and did not receive my help, please understand and accept my apologies.
Interestingly, just 5 weeks ago, I made a short video on the toxicity of all vaccines, appealing to parents not to vaccinate their children. The video was supposed to go on YouTube last week. The file was destroyed in the water. However, a friend has an unedited copy and it will go online as soon as I can edit it again
As I stated above, the last major attempt on my life immediately followed my international and domestic interviews about the Swine Flu
H1N1 hoax and the toxicity of the vaccine. Of the 240 million vaccines produced, less than 20 million were reported to have been injected. I feel happy that I was part of the H1N1 vaccine’s failure.
I cannot keep quite while children are being poisoned everyday by the edicts of senseless medical personnel and lawless government employees.
How can you?
healthfully and appreciatively,
aajonus
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The possibility that the mechanic was so negligent that he did not tighten the wheel to the axle and failed to connect the brake was farfetched. To me, there was no other explanation than someone had purposely sabotaged my truck, trying to seriously or fatally injure us.
If the wheel had veered at a great speed, we would probably be dead.
the possibility that he was assassinated didnt come from jsut me.
aajonus has been warning us about attempts on his life for years now, it would be highly unintelligent after all that he has said for us not to doubt the official story of his "accidental" death.
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Super-secret ninja hacksaws? concentrated sulfuric acid? silent explosives? gnawing ninja rodents?
You're being a bit unrealistic. There's no way it was super secret ninja hacksaws or sulfuric acid.
Had to be gnawing ninja rodents. Lol
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so much easier to just run an ice pick through his heart in a busy city. tampering with a car as suggested leaves so much possibility for the car to simply act so weird in the first block that one would park it and call for a taxi. The description reads like a movie script.
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someone like aajonus would never be killed publicly like that.
anyone whos studied the history of assassination knows that the best assassination is one in which nobody knows an assassination occured. Murdering someone like aajonus would only put an exclamation point on everything he said.
I feel almost absurd here trying to explain such simple realities.
such an obvious assassination like your description is only either used as a last resort or when the killers want the public to know a killing took took place ie. for intimidation purposes/make an example out of them.
if i were one of aajonus's enemies (FDA/pharmaceutical companies/large agribusiness/endless other big money enemies) I would be a fool to assassinate him in such a way that the whole world knows he was killed. It would go against the entire purpose of the assassination.
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You're being a bit unrealistic. There's no way it was super secret ninja hacksaws or sulfuric acid.
Had to be gnawing ninja rodents. Lol
causing a broken railing would be very simple. you just go there when nobody is home and remove the railing or a segment of it and replace it so that it can hold only a fraction of the weight. IT is so simple and next time someone leans on the railing they just fly forward instead. same would apply if it was the whole balcony, it really doesnt make a difference. Do you people really think its that hard to tamper with a balcony?
as to whether or not they could be sure aaj or his gf would lean there first aajonus's mass murdering enemies coudnt care less.
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And, people, all kinds of people get killed, robbed, everyday. Wouldn't mean fda or any other group would get put up on the stand.
Again, I'm not saying his balcony or car was purposely derailed (which would involve Toyota). For it does make sense he had enemies. I just don't know why you're intent on propagating the theory?
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my intent is to spread the truth.
he warned us that people were trying to kill and all the warning signs were there.
as someone who has studied the subject of assassinations extensively it is clear to me that he was killed.
should I shut up just because it cant be proven 100%. well im sorry but only the shoddiest assassinations can be proven beyond a doubt and the evidence in this case is overwhelming.
people want to take away from what happened by saying he wasnt assassinated but the world needs to know that he was killed and didnt just die accidentally which is what his murderers would want you to believe.
In reality he died a heroes death fighting the insane elites destroying the worlds health. He died as a casualty of war in fighting this enemy not as just some doofus falling off his balcony, the smokescreen created by his murderers to hide the truth.
I know some of you will never understand that things like this happen. I guess its best not to scare the children.
Some of us do know what really happened though and can see through the deceptions and constant excuses people make for themselves to shield from the obvious truth.
Thank you Aajonus for giving your life to save humanity. I know you were killed and will see you in Valhalla.
No more trying to convince the sheeple for me. If you dont get it after everything I said and all of my rebuttals to many almost childishly naive questions then I am sorry. Live in whatever happy world you want to delude yourself into living in.
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Perhaps the ninjas loosened the decking screws and used a grappling hook to pull it down just as he was leaning over the railing.
It just seems a bit far fetched, even for me to agree with.
Now don't get me wrong, I honor greatly those brave souls who were snuffed out by the evil that lurks in the shadows of this world, while serving the good of humanity. The list of those who belong to Valhalla is long.
John Lennon, was most likely killed for his radical revolutionary views.
The Kennedy brothers, and JFK Jr.( goes without saying)
Princess Diana, was murdered by covert means, a very professional hit.
Congressman Sonny Bono who attempted to shut down an illegal arms dealing ring was ambushed on a hill top and beaten to death.
Pat Tillman, who was going to come back from the war in Afghanistan and tell the American people the war was a fake, was shot point blank by friendly fire.
History is full of forgotten martyrs who died for forgotten causes, and perhaps one day A.V will belong to that category, perhaps not. Ultimately either way it doesn't change who he was when he was alive, or what he has done for a most worthy cause. If we wish to honor him, the best thing we can do is carry on his work of educating the people and spreading his message, and living raw and free. In that way he wont be forgotten, even if he was snuffed out prematurely, like a candle in the wind, his legend will live on.
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I somehow agree.
The story of the pickup-truck accident is also far-fetched and packed with absurdities. He should have asked the advice of someone who knows a bit in automotive technology if he wanted to make it credible. Moreover, the truck was retrieved from the water before both of them went away, according to his account. Then, as he claims the accident was not his fault but due to a mechanical failure / sabotage, the truck would necessarily have been inspected to find out evidence of such a sabotage.
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he had the truck inspected and adjusted twice, once immediately before the accident. For one of his brakes to be disconnected (as exhibited by the one skid mark on the ground when there should have been two among other things) is completely absurd among the other things that went wrong with his car after having it adjusted at a reputable dealer.
as far as the whole grapping hook thing that is all wholly unnecessary. All that would be required is a loosening of the screws. A grappling hook is completely unnecessary and would have been found at the scene of the crime.
if some sort of triggering mechanism were needed a wireless electronic version can be used and someone would only need to be hired for an overnight job that includes setting up the trap and then waiting for him to step out the next morning.
i dont understand what is so far fetched about this, rigging a balcony for an assassination requires very simple engineering.
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I somehow agree.
The story of the pickup-truck accident is also far-fetched and packed with absurdities. He should have asked the advice of someone who knows a bit in automotive technology if he wanted to make it credible. Moreover, the truck was retrieved from the water before both of them went away, according to his account. Then, as he claims the accident was not his fault but due to a mechanical failure / sabotage, the truck would necessarily have been inspected to find out evidence of such a sabotage.
please explain which part of the truck story is unbelievable. Where does he contradict himself?
and you think the thai government is really going to spend any time investigating whether or not his car was sabotaged?
give me a break, thailand is one of the child sex slavery capitals of the world. If theres one thing everyone knows about thailand is that it is basically completely lawless there. you can get away with anything you want there which is probably why all of his assassination atempts took place in southeast asia rather than the USA.
truck inspected for sabotage in thailand? what a joke. they wont investigate people buying sex slaves but theyll investigate this?
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Dont be so quick to dismiss the grappling hook scenario, a true ninja assassin would retrieve the hook before making his get a way.
It isn't plausible for a professional assassin to loosen a railing in the hopes that the target may lean on it. There would be just a big of a chance that someone else would have leaned on the rail first. Im saying its far fetched because it isn't plausible, Im not saying that it isn't possible.
Honestly I think A.V. was an annoyance to many in the establishment, but the standard mottos operandi for dealing with people of A.V.s status, is to simply ignore him, and blacklist his efforts in the mainstream. It is always possible that some other underworld lord had a personal vendetta against him, but unlikely they would have dispatched him in such a way.
Andrew Jackson believed that Henry clay was involved plotting assassination attempts upon him, and may have been responsible for poisoning his wife. These things do happen, its just my opinion that this isn't the case with A.V.
Also as paranoid as A.V. is he would have been railing out about the possibility of someone tampering with the balcony at the hospital, if there was any validity to such a claim.
If there are to be rumors that he was murdered then one must first answer by whom, and what for, and then move on to speculate on who would be next on the hit list.
Look out!!!
Danile Vitalis
Mark Sessons
Mercola
Tyler Durden.
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theres nobody in the food rights movement that has done as much as aajonus.
hes the reason im even able to get raw milk right now at all because my club and most others use the model he created. Hes aslo the only one of these health food people that always directly targets the medical mafia and exposing them as being manufacturers of biological weapons. He was talking about that stuff in the 70s way before it was common knowledge.
I cant think of anyone who was a bigger thorn in the governments side on the food front than aajonus.
As far as the balcony goes if they saw him lean on it every morning for example it would be a no brainer to rig it like that. I already explained how a hook would be wholly unnecessary. Iv already addressed how whoever would be killing him couldnt care less about a random casualty, peoples relatives often even get killed as a threat when it would be too obvious if they killed the actual target. These people are the ultimate psychopaths. And usually pick the smartest move that normal people would never think of. Normal people have linear thinking and theirs is crooked, they can figure what to do ten moves ahead just like in chess, one of their favorite pasttimes going all the way back to egypt and beyond.
seems like people here dont understand to what extent he contributed to food rights in america and to what extent he exposed the slavemasters. Who knows what he was going to do in the future?
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please explain which part of the truck story is unbelievable. Where does he contradict himself?
and you think the thai government is really going to spend any time investigating whether or not his car was sabotaged?
give me a break, thailand is one of the child sex slavery capitals of the world. If theres one thing everyone knows about thailand is that it is basically completely lawless there. you can get away with anything you want there which is probably why all of his assassination atempts took place in southeast asia rather than the USA.
truck inspected for sabotage in thailand? what a joke. they wont investigate people buying sex slaves but theyll investigate this?
Ok, my friend.
- He wrote that when water was leaking over them from the floor of the truck, which was upside-down, the only light they had was from the dashboard instruments. How could the electrical equipment had been still working under water?
- He also wrote he lowered the window on his girlfriend side. Aside the fact that the truck was upside-down and thus the window must have been opened by raising it ;), I suppose his truck has electric power windows, like every vehicle less than 25 years old. Thus, there's the same inconsistency as above. Otherwise, he would have attempted to open the window on his side.
- If one brake was disconnected, he would have immediately noticed a longer stroke at the first push on the brake pedal. This would have occurred before starting, to be able to switch the transmission on neutral to start the engine – supposing the truck had an automatic transmission. With a manual transmission, he would very likely have noticed it quite immediately too.
- Shimmy is due to to wheel(s) imbalance, not to wheels misalignment.
- Since he stated that the accident was caused by a mechanical failure (following a sabotage), he would have checked himself for something loose in the front axle. A hanging disconnected brake hose would have been clearly visible to everybody around (flashlights are very common in Thailand!). Likewise, a disjointed steering rod or loose suspension bar is easily seen. Even if he failed to do it, he certainly would have the truck checked by a mechanic and photos would have been taken so that he could complain at the Toyota dealer, ask for compensation and show to the world he had been victim of a mechanical failure likely to be an assassination tentative.
Overall, this accident's tale looks like his coyotes’ story.
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So you say none of the instruments he says were still working in the water could actually have worked in that situation.
Please tell me under what knowledge you base this claim that the instruments could not have worked at that point or are you just pulling it out of your ass as you accuse me of doing and to which I gve a source for each accusation.
wheel imbalance wheel misalignment=two different words for the same exact thing
overall you just basically wrote a bunch of nonsense. and dont see anything to backup any of what you just wrote. just fantasies of someone in denial.
I find it funny that you dont even blink at the theory that burger was framed for pedophilia because of his revulotionary activity but you cant ven begin to accept the possibility that aajonus was murdered when his revolutionary activies went far beyond anything that GCB did. Although GCB pissed off quite a few powerful people and I believe that they would frame him due to that, you have to admit that aajonus pissed off way more people. I and who knows how many thousands of others would not be getting raw milk right now if it wasnt for his dairy club system. Im not going to list his activist resume once again but we all know it is extensive and definitly trumps that of GCB who you have no problem accepting was framed for pedophilia.
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So you say none of the instruments he says were still working in the water could actually have worked in that situation.
Please tell me under what knowledge you base this claim that the instruments could not have worked at that point or are you just pulling it out of your ass as you accuse me of doing and to which I gve a source for each accusation.
He wrote that the only light they had was from the dashboard instruments. Mechanical instruments may work in water, but electric instruments, appliances, power windows and lights don’t. If you don’t know that, try to immerse a working electric lamp, hair drier or any other electric appliance and see what happens. ;)
wheel imbalance wheel misalignment=two different words for the same exact thing
Ok, after a lesson about basic safety precautions on electric appliances, a little lesson on automotive chassis engineering seems to be needed. I see that Wikipedia saves me the work to typewrite about wheel balance:
“Tire balance, also referred to as tire unbalance or imbalance, describes the distribution of mass within an automobile tire or the entire wheel to which it is attached.
When the wheel rotates, asymmetries of mass may cause it to hop or wobble, which can cause ride disturbances, usually vertical and lateral vibrations. It can also result in a wobbling of the steering wheel or of the entire vehicle. The ride disturbance, due to unbalance, usually increases with speed. Vehicle suspensions can become excited by unbalance forces when the speed of the wheel reaches a point that its rotating frequency equals the suspension’s resonant frequency.
Tires are inspected in factories and repair shops by two methods: static balancers and dynamic balancers. Tires with high unbalance forces are downgraded or rejected. When tires are fitted to wheels at the point of sale, they are measured again on a balancing machine, and correction weights are applied to counteract the combined effect of the tire and wheel unbalance. After sale, tires may be rebalanced if driver perceives excessive vibration.”
Wheel alignment is a completely different thing. In its basic form, it is the angles of the wheels, which should be more or less perpendicular to the ground and parallel to each other when steering straight. You can check the toe alignment yourself with the help of a friend and a string stretched between the rear and front wheels, without forgetting to compensate for the prospective difference in front and rear track width. If these tracks are about the same, you can also have a good idea of the toe alignment by a quick visual check with an eye closed.
See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_alignment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_alignment)
overall you just basically wrote a bunch of nonsense. and dont see anything to backup any of what you just wrote. just fantasies of someone in denial.
Thanks. ;D
I find it funny that you dont even blink at the theory that burger was framed for pedophilia because of his revulotionary activity but you cant ven begin to accept the possibility that aajonus was murdered …
Did I write that can’t begin to accept that possibility? On the contrary, I consider it could perhaps have been a possibility and that’s why I was curious and contributed to this topic. But the stories reported are totally implausible and make no sense.
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He wrote that the only light they had was from the dashboard instruments. Mechanical instruments may work in water, but electric instruments, appliances, power windows and lights don’t. If you don’t know that, try to immerse a working electric lamp, hair drier or any other electric appliance and see what happens. ;)
Ok, after a lesson about basic safety precautions on electric appliances, a little lesson on automotive chassis engineering seems to be needed. I see that Wikipedia saves me the work to typewrite about wheel balance:
“Tire balance, also referred to as tire unbalance or imbalance, describes the distribution of mass within an automobile tire or the entire wheel to which it is attached.
When the wheel rotates, asymmetries of mass may cause it to hop or wobble, which can cause ride disturbances, usually vertical and lateral vibrations. It can also result in a wobbling of the steering wheel or of the entire vehicle. The ride disturbance, due to unbalance, usually increases with speed. Vehicle suspensions can become excited by unbalance forces when the speed of the wheel reaches a point that its rotating frequency equals the suspension’s resonant frequency.
Tires are inspected in factories and repair shops by two methods: static balancers and dynamic balancers. Tires with high unbalance forces are downgraded or rejected. When tires are fitted to wheels at the point of sale, they are measured again on a balancing machine, and correction weights are applied to counteract the combined effect of the tire and wheel unbalance. After sale, tires may be rebalanced if driver perceives excessive vibration.”
Wheel alignment is a completely different thing. In its basic form, it is the angles of the wheels, which should be more or less perpendicular to the ground and parallel to each other when steering straight. You can check the toe alignment yourself with the help of a friend and a string stretched between the rear and front wheels, without forgetting to compensate for the prospective difference in front and rear track width. If these tracks are about the same, you can also have a good idea of the toe alignment by a quick visual check with an eye closed.
See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_alignment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_alignment)
Thanks. ;D
Did I write that can’t begin to accept that possibility? On the contrary, I consider it could perhaps have been a possibility and that’s why I was curious and contributed to this topic. But the stories reported are totally implausible and make no sense.
you still offer no proof that the electronics wouldnt work after the car is in the water for a minute or so. Immersing my electronics in water would prove absolutely nothingas to whether or not the water reached the elctronics in time. In fact iv dropped my phone in a puddle of water before andit worked for ten minutes before it broke. this was after complete submersion in water, who knows if one drop of water even touched any electronics wgile he was still in the car. The water would reach the electronics in every car at a different rate based on the design of the car.
and to say that the story is false because aajonus didnt know the difference between balance and wheel alignment doesnt prove anything. Id bet 90 percent of drivers would get the two confused as I am a driver who knows more about cars than most and got the two confused myself.
All in all its mostly very telling how you instantly accept that gcb was framed for pedophilia with no evidence other than what he himself says (which I believe to be likely true by the way, even though theres no evidence) yet you are so dismissive of aajonuses piles of evidence including his extensive resume as an enemy of the state (GCB has very few powerful enemies compared to aaj)pictures of injection sites and toxicology reports following the incident and witness testimony of his instantly declining health after the attack and much more real evidence I listed earlier.
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Why the f is everyone so opposed to the possibility? Life is filled with mysteries. Blatantly assuming it wasn't sabotage is pretty damn naive in my opinion. This happened right after Vernon got off. They are pissed because they are losing, they are really starting to squirm and apparently the GOV wants to push for the start of World War 3 right about now.
No one ever saw the Mechanic with Charles Bronson? Hollywood is the cultists ways of bragging about how powerful and sinister they are. A mechanic is an assassin who specializes in causing "accidents". There is a gigantic history of the USA harassing and murdering all sorts of people, especially activists. They want Americans to remain dumb and are freaking out because people are actually waking up to reality. They have to take action or they will inevitably be defeated when a critical mass of awareness is reached.
The war is really heating up and I am very sad that this happened. However I remain fearless, I have faith that good will conquer evil.
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A.V. Was a powerful ally in the struggle against what I perceive to be an evil force, his death is a loss to all of us who champion the cause of food purity and the freedom to eat as one chooses. Perhaps Svrn is correct and he was assassinated, and that had he not been killed, he would of accomplished so much more for Raw Foodist than anyone else alive.
I am just of the opinion
The attitude that believing he was targeted and snuffed out by evil men, isn't going to help anyone. No discovery of evil doing, no vengeance or retribution against the perpetrators will ever make a bit of difference. We are at the Anniversary of 911 and most intelligent people know the official story is a farce, but there is still no justice to be had after 12 years . Feel free to question everything and seek out the truth wherever it may lead, but don't let anger and feelings of injustice carry you away and keep you from accomplishing great things. This kind of evil many feel we are at war with cannot be confronted directly, it will always hide in the shadows. When the old tricks that caste out clouds of ignorance over mankind isn't enough to keep us in darkness, then the powers that be will go so far as to strike down our prophets. All we can do when this happens is shine on through the dark and act as beacons of light for others. Pick up the torch of liberty that the fallen have dropped and shine on.
When the Kennedy Brothers were killed, the event, in many ways killed the hopes of a generation. The killings were effective and the perpetrators succeeded. I wasn't even alive when it happened , but I still feel the since of loss that many during that time felt. It was like we were all robbed of the chance to support a greater cause for good in the world and work together to turn Kennedy's visionary ideals of what the future could be, into reality.
Sometimes it feels like there is no one among us strong enough to Shepard the weak through the valley of darkness. No one understands more than I the feeling of hopelessness. How can one be a witness to the fact that" Men Women and Children are being poisoned everyday by the edicts of senseless medical personnel and lawless government employees."and not try do do everything in ones power to stop the insanity.
Ask not what A.V. could have done for you , Ask what you can do for your raw foods community now that he is gone.
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Good guys need to conspire as well.
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a conspiracy inplies a crim being done in secret.
the good guys hav no reason to conspire beause we are not criminals. ONly evil needs to work in the darkness.
it is important to know that he was assassinated because it proves that he was doing something very right in his fight against the luciferians.
the fact(as much of a fact as something like this could ever be) that he was murdered should highlight him as a leading freedom fighter of our age and cement him as an inspiration and a person whos lead those who want to bring about positive change in the world should follow.
Had he been obviously murdered he would have become a martyr and have gotten all of the respect given to such a person.
yet by killing him a manner which can never been proven to be a killing they have taken his martyrdom from him and thus damaged the power of his legacy. He is a martyr and its important that people know that.
I know a lot people dont have any balls to say anything in this world anymore, thinking well Im not going to say it unless im 100% sure. Well im sick of that toxic attitude. The fact is that this type of thinking is playing right into their game because they killed him in this manner for the exact purpose of planting that seed of doubt in your mind.
Well I see the evidence of what happened and I know what my heart says and my deepest truth tells me he was killed.
So for all those who refuse to acknowledge what their hearts tell them is the truth because of a 5percent doubt in their minds i say GROW A FUCKING PAIR and stop behaving the way they want you to.
what happened is obvious.
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svrn, again, we (the people here) who don't believe altogether it was a plot, don't necessarily think that he wouldn't be targeted. It's just as described, like the pick up truck, from his own words, sounds like a story. I personally had been told stories by Aa more than once. This has nothing to do with whether we have the balls to look at truth.
Now for something that will probably really throw you, did you ever think that Aa opponents regarding raw dairy, actually believe in what they say? That raw milk is dangerous. And that their actions are coming from what's right in their hearts. I wouldn't doubt it for a second. For I remember my first thoughts of eating raw meat, raw fat, raw milk, raw fish. Each one presented a hurdle to me, in the beginning. Now it's hard to look back and remember those initial feelings of disgust. I also have been to dairies that I would never drink their milk raw. Just something to think about when we divide and have opinions that are black and white.
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wrap your head around this one
The queen of england makes sure none of her slaves have access to raw milk yet she wont go a day without it and wont let her immediate family go a day without it either. She had it smuggled in for little henry and philip to make sure they wouldnt have to be without it while they studied where she had it banned.
This is the true face of the raw milk ban. There may be a bunch of idiots at the the bottom who believe it is bad but the true rulers know exactly what they are doing. To think that the rulers of this world are stupid would be biggest mistake you ever made.
the pickup truck story is totally solid.
my phone worked for 10 minutes after being submerged in water and we dont even know if one drop of water had enough time to reach the elctronics he claims to ahve used. confusing balance and alignment (if he even did confuse them) does not prove anything.
im also not saying that anyone who disagrees doesnt have the balls to see it. IM referring to the person who really knows that it did happen but lets a tiny seed of doubt completely turn him away from it. I point this out because the creation of this seed of doubt is the exact reason for which the faked acidental death method was created.
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aajonuses explanation about the sinister nataure of the milk controllers:
Carl: Why? That makes no sense to me, why they would vault something that killed people.
Aajonus: Because there seems to be certain people out there who want to hurt us. Even President
Kennedy, a month before he died said in a speech: there is an elitist secret society that intends to get rid
of and annihilate certain people and control the world. You know, the Bush family was connected with
Hitler. They helped finance Hitler. They’re into annihilating people, destroying races and stuff like that.
Kennedy was rooted in that affluent society with many of those ruthless people who intend to destroy a
lot of the population as soon as resources became very low. And the resources are getting pretty low and
we’ve got 6 billion on the planet. According to some of the information that’s available to us, they want
to get rid of 4 billion people.
Carl: So this is all part of the New World Order process that’s occurring supposedly here.
Aajonus: Some people call it New World Order. Other people call it other things: Skull and
Bones groups from Yale. So that’s part of it. And they gave the task of looking at overpopulation to
Henry Kissenger back in the ‘60s. He wrote a paper that’s about 260 some
pages. Kissenger talks about the greatest way to get rid of overpopulation is to inject people with
contaminated medications.
Carl: Really! He wrote that?
Aajonus: Yes. And you can look at the paper, look under “overpopulation, Henry Kissinger”. Run a
search engine and you’ll come up with that paper. And then that was given to the NSA,
National Security Administration, military and government secret services. They all voted on a
particular proposition – I forgot the number: 281, something like that – that gave the military and secret
agencies the right to start biological warfare and experiment on US citizens.
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my phone worked for 10 minutes after being submerged in water and we dont even know if one drop of water had enough time to reach the elctronics he claims to ahve used. confusing balance and alignment (if he even did confuse them) does not prove anything.
I suppose you didn’t dive and phoned underwater? Your phone must have been a little bit waterproof, after all it’s a box and water doesn’t immediately reach the components inside. I think it's possible it takes some minutes.
But power windows’ motors and lights are not electronic components as you keep on saying, they are electric appliances. The engine bay of a car is not enclosed in a plastic box like a telephone, it is completely open and once submerged, a short circuit would immediately make all electric system of the car inoperative.
He said he had previously given twice the truck to a Toyota dealer to check the wheels alignment for a shimmy (vibrations in the steering wheel) problem. The chief mechanic would have told him that such vibrations aren’t caused by wheels misalignment and that that they would balance the wheels instead, and bill him for that — unless they are crooks. But I agree this point isn’t really convincing.
What astonishes me most is that he went on to state there was something wrong on the front axle, including “a disconnected brake” (!) but he didn’t even have it checked after the truck was retrieved from the water.
Anyway, let him rest in peace...
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I suppose you didn’t dive and phoned underwater? Your phone must have been a little bit waterproof, after all it’s a box and water doesn’t immediately reach the components inside. I think it's possible it takes some minutes.
But power windows’ motors and lights are not electronic components as you keep on saying, they are electric appliances. The engine bay of a car is not enclosed in a plastic box like a telephone, it is completely open and once submerged, a short circuit would immediately make all electric system of the car inoperative.
He said he had previously given twice the truck to a Toyota dealer to check the wheels alignment for a shimmy (vibrations in the steering wheel) problem. The chief mechanic would have told him that such vibrations aren’t caused by wheels misalignment and that that they would balance the wheels instead, and bill him for that — unless they are crooks. But I agree this point isn’t really convincing.
What astonishes me most is that he went on to state there was something wrong on the front axle, including “a disconnected brake” (!) but he didn’t even have it checked after the truck was retrieved from the water.
Anyway, let him rest in peace...
so my phone was slightly waterproofed but a car designed to drive in pouring rain and be hit with water being splashed up from the bottom wasnt waterproofed at all? So I guess every time the truck hit a puddle or got rained on some electronics went out?
I think you need to think this through a little more because your not making sense.
how do you know the mechanic would have told him what you say? how do you know he didnt get it checked after the event?
basically i jsut see more evidence that isnt really evidence of anything from you on this subject. Just overzealous skepticism, which can be alright but the points you are making are not at all convincing to me.
could you be right that he got something wrong in the car explanation? perhaps. But to say he just completely made up both attempts attempts on his life to make himself seem more important doesnt seem like a posibility to me. He WAS important and everyone around him knew it, there was no reason to make up tall tales such as this.
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and now i bring you real expert testimony about whether or not a car would work when it hits the water.
According to the National Safety Council, if your car suddenly becomes submerged, stay calm and remain buckled in your seat. If the water is substantially deep, the car should remain afloat long enough for you to escape. Immediately unlock the doors and open the windows – your car’s power accessories should continue working for at least a minute or so. Unbuckle your seat belt (and those of children or other riders who need assistance) and exit through the open windows, swimming to safety in the direction of the current if you’re in deep water.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimgorzelany/2012/10/30/what-to-do-if-your-car-is-flooded-or-becomes-submerged/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimgorzelany/2012/10/30/what-to-do-if-your-car-is-flooded-or-becomes-submerged/)
sorry but looks like your car power argument has been completely destroyed at this point.
maybe ill do more research to confirm the rest of the car story but it seems like your complete confidence in ur car electricity theory has greatly reduced your credibility on this topic.
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It may work as long as the car remains afloat:
If the water is substantially deep, the car should remain afloat long enough for you to escape. Immediately unlock the doors and open the windows – your car’s power accessories should continue working for at least a minute or so. Unbuckle your seat belt (and those of children or other riders who need assistance) and exit through the open windows, swimming to safety in the direction of the current if you’re in deep water.
Seems they are not so sure about that:
If they won’t open, try kicking out a side or rear window, though it won’t be easy. Those living in flood-prone areas might want to consider carrying a small hammer or specific car window-breaking tool in the glove compartment for this purpose. If you can’t leave via a window and water is entering the cabin wait until the pressure is equalized on both sides of the door (usually when its as deep inside as it is outside) before attempting to open it.
How to survive if your car falls into water (very short video)
“If you have power windows, they are not gonna work”
http://www.ksdk.com/video/2407865197001/1/How-to-survive-if-your-car-falls-into-water (http://www.ksdk.com/video/2407865197001/1/How-to-survive-if-your-car-falls-into-water)
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I completely agree with Iguana.
While car is in the process of sinking the power should be working until the water reaches battery or fuze box.
As soon as the water reaches battery and fuze box the power goes off.
Every car floats and sinks differently. Some faster and some slower, some nose first, some back first, and some go down flat. That expert suggestion is way too generic.
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Maybe this ongoing discussion will serve us all: people tend to support their own side of the discussion/argument. Imagine how less entangled the world would be if we were taught when very young to see the truth on both sides, to really be a scientist and explore for facts on both sides, or more. We get so blinded by our opinions, and we guard them with such vigor. My guess is that when we were young and elders unfairly dictated what we do, that we felt little opportunity for exploring any other side than would support our cause and potentially keep us safe. To have learned that we are so much more than our thoughts, believes, and concepts.
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When dariorpll mentioned AV today in another thread I had to look it up to see that he was revering to Aajonus Vonderplanitz
I came across this thread and also another thread named "The dark side of Aajonus Vonderplanitz.
When I read the Wiki it only said that he died young at the age of 66. It never mentioned his accident and would have led me to believe he died of ill health had I not looked into it further.
Common knowledge as in this thread claims he died from a fall from a balcony. But I kept digging because that sounded suspicious and brought up the theory of foul play.
If it's true the following quote seems to shed some light on the subject of his death. Apparently he didn't die from the fall but was severely injured from it and hospitalized. He died three days later and might have lived if he hadn't refused to be operated on and insisting on trying to cure himself solely through diet.
The Dark Side of the Aajonus Vonderplanitz Legacy; How the End Came
It now turns out that Vonderplanitz's death might have been preventable. Here?s an account from a close associate at his organization, Right to Choose Healthy Food:
At the end of the week last week, Aajonus was with his girlfriend, in Thailand on a balcony on his house. He was cleaning a wound to his hand, and went to the railing to throw the rest of the washing fluid to the ground. She turned away to do something, and heard a crashing noise. The railing was broken, at least in that spot, and she heard moaning. She rushed to the ground below, and found him there.
He broke his back quite severely, next to the first rib, and could not move his legs. He took charge of the care of his body, even in the hospital, where he had them wrap his torso to stabilize the bones. He did have one x-ray, and then would not let them do more. The doctors wanted to operate, and he refused. He had them wrap him and feed him his food, and continued so for two days. He was apparently in good spirits, but did experience what must have been severe pain, for he did let them give him at least two pain shots. This might have been necessary for him to stay awake and in control, as the body can shut down from pain. There was blood in his stomach at some point, for he did regurgitate some food with blood in it.
On the third day of his hospital stay, he sent his girlfriend to a court proceeding in Bangkok, about 3.5 hrs away, about the land there in Thailand, over her protests. He insisted she go. While she was gone, he went into a coma, and they put an IV in him. When she returned he was ?very bad?. At this point she emailed our Thai member, who called a few of us. The doctors say he had a kidney infection and blood infection. They continued to feed him butter and honey, as instructed, and followed his wishes as possible. They gave him oxygen as his breathing decreased, and he steadily lost blood pressure. They told us his kidneys had stopped functioning, were not producing urine. They wanted to do something, but no one had any authority to override his stated wishes. When his heart failed, they pumped his heart and tried to resuscitate him for a half hour. Our Thai member was on the phone with Aajonus’ girlfriend and could hear the flatline beep of the heart monitor. …They stopped resuscitation efforts at 2 am August 28th Thai time, Noon on August 27th Los Angeles time.
The way I read it, Vonderplanitz may have been afraid to have rural doctors operate on him, and likely died from the effects of internal bleeding.
http://www.davidgumpert.com/the-dark-side-of-the-aajonus-vonderplanitz-legacy-how-the-end-came (http://www.davidgumpert.com/the-dark-side-of-the-aajonus-vonderplanitz-legacy-how-the-end-came)
R.I.P. Aajonus Vonderplanitz. I only first heard of you today only to find out that you are no longer alive.
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I read all of these reports after it happened, which is why I question those who claimed it was an assassination.... a profession hitman wouldn't of left him alive with just a broken back, from which he would have likely been able to survive as a paraplegic.
Bless his stubborn soul, its a shame that he was so fearful of modern medicine that he resisted all efforts which would have saved his life.
He was a unique voice and full of both great insights and controversial theories.... anyone interested in learning more should watch some of his interviews...The Believe it or not segment helped convinced me to try high meat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTl2FTgmoNU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTl2FTgmoNU)
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I agree. A hit man hired by the establishment most likely would have killed him by poisoning him in order to make it look like he died due to his controversial diet.
After reading about him I think it was probably an accident. If it was foul play, which I think is unlikely, I would suspect it came from a rival, as there were many claims of people accusing him of stealing other people's work and getting the credit.
The irony is that it wasn't rotten meat that did him in. It was a rotten railing!