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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Health => Topic started by: albertoceraw on October 10, 2013, 08:52:35 am
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Hi
Since most people here tend to agree with AV/Burger respect virus-bacteria interpretation, I was wondering what are your atittudes towards sexual protection? Does somebody here have unpreocupied sex without protection in whichever scenario? ( multiple, sometimes "unknown" sexual partners).
Thanks.
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I've been a bit risky in this regard in the past, but I'm married now, so it's not an issue.
But for the record, I don't think the germ theory OR the hygiene theory are able to explain everything. The truth is somewhere between the two extremes.
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I would not risk it. If someone thinks they are immune because of raw food and wants to experiment, I would love to hear about their experiences so we'd have facts on the table.
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Hi
Since most people here tend to agree with AV/Burger respect virus-bacteria interpretation, I was wondering what are your atittudes towards sexual protection? Does somebody here have unpreocupied sex without protection in whichever escenario? ( multiple, sometimes "unknown" sexual partners).
Thanks.
Yes it is somewhere in between the 2 extremes.
And we raw paleo dieters have figured out half of that equation.
I do believe and have analyzed for myself that HIV / AIDS is a total FAKE, false propaganda.
I have my sense of smell, test, visuals, vibrations for the other half of the equation.
And yes, condoms suck so bad.
If you want me to use condoms, let's just shake hands and not do this.
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But for the record, I don't think the germ theory OR the hygiene theory are able to explain everything. The truth is somewhere between the two extremes.
Burger’s theory is different of the « germ theory » (Pasteur's current conventional theory, I suppose) and of the « hygiene theory », which is I guess how you call the Bechamp / Tissot theory. So there are 3 theories, not 2. We talked about it very recently here:
http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/hot-topics/did-cooking-made-us-humans-bbc-documentary/msg114141/#msg114141 (http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/hot-topics/did-cooking-made-us-humans-bbc-documentary/msg114141/#msg114141)
See also “Bruno Comby's report on HIV”:
http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/instinctoanopsology/bruno-comby%27s-report-on-hiv/ (http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/instinctoanopsology/bruno-comby%27s-report-on-hiv/)
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there is no such thing as stds. THere are many reports of full time raw dieters having sex with people that have stds many times yet they themselves contract nothing.
Just because you get eczema on your penis doesnt make it any different frome eczema on your arm.
this is all scare tactics by the population controllers to make sure people use their condoms to make sure the woman doesnt get pregnant and to make sure both man and woman rub the chemicals in the condom into the skin of their genitals ensuring proper delivery of sterilization chemicals and spermicides.
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there is no such thing as stds.
Do you believe that the genital diseases commonly known as stds cannot be sexually transmitted from one person to another, even if both parties are on a standard western diet?
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if both parties are on a standard western diet and the person who doesnt have the disease has the same toxicity problem which that particular virus feeds upon yes it may be transmitted. However this is only beneficial as viruses are simply cleaning agents once the std runs its course the person who got it will be better off in the long run if they let it run its course while consuming the proper foods to facilitate the detox.
this is my hypothesis. EIther way I am sure a health raw dieting person who eats enough fats will have nothing to worry about.
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Crabs and mites can be transmitted. Regardless of health condition.
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yes but thats just an animal.
no different from how you can transfer your pet cat from one person to another.
viruses are not alive. THey are just soap
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yes but thats just an animal.
no different from how you can transfer your pet cat from one person to another.
You don't think that the virus genetil herpes is alive? Do you know the cycle of where it hangs out and how it travels down nerve pathways?
viruses are not alive. THey are just soap
yes but thats just an animal.
no different from how you can transfer your pet cat from one person to another.
viruses are not alive. THey are just soap
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no it is not alive. Nobody has ever proven a virus to reproduce itself.
everything the medical profession says about virus is a lie.
i and a few others have tested out the germ theory many times. I am never able to get sick from other people no matter how hard I try and everyone else on here who tried also failed.
i believe it is thoth who specifically tried to get genital herpes and was unable to.
any true experiments on these virus theories always show them to be false.
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because you say so?
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i didnt come up with any of this. Have you seriously never heard of the work Bechamp who is perhaps the grandfather of the raw food movement? He did extensive research on everything im telling you.
heres a good book on his research
http://www.amazon.com/Bechamp-Pasteur-Chapter-History-Biology/dp/1467900125/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1381700553&sr=1-1&keywords=bechamp+or+pasteur (http://www.amazon.com/Bechamp-Pasteur-Chapter-History-Biology/dp/1467900125/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1381700553&sr=1-1&keywords=bechamp+or+pasteur)
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here is a website summarizing some of his works in case you do not want to buy a book at this time
http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/germ12.php (http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/germ12.php)
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I agree mostly with svrn.
Fuck without fear.
I did acquire chicken pox 2 yrs ago.
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Ok, how about finding a woman, or man, who's got open genetil sores, or dripping with gonorrhea or has full blown aids symptoms and tests for the virus, and have repeated sex without condoms. And then let us know the results. It's one thing to believe we're all so super immune because we eat this perfect diet, why wouldn't we want to believe it. But when you can catch a cold from another (and I'm sure there will be some here who say they never get colds anymore) why should be be so entirely resistant to everything else. I do recognize my herpe condition never lifts it's head, unless I veer off my diet. But that doesn't mean it still doesn't exist waiting for my immune system to falter.
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i dont think id be able to get hard...
anyway it doesnt sound appealing to me.
thoth has already had sex with visible herpes and no infection many times
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chicken pox is simply the viral detoxification of lymph and skin which usually results from metal toxicity.
it is well known that people who live together usually have the same metal toxicities such as from lead in the house paint or various other things.
since they have the same toxins and get the same type of detox this is often mistaken for infecting one a nother but the fact is that you simply have the same type of toxicity.
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This nonsense re chicken pox and metals is absurd. Chicken pox infections existed centuries/millenia ago well before any possible contamination of the soil by modern industry re metals.
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who said anything about soil?
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Ok, how about finding a woman, or man, who's got open genetil sores, or dripping with gonorrhea or has full blown aids symptoms and tests for the virus, and have repeated sex without condoms. And then let us know the results. It's one thing to believe we're all so super immune because we eat this perfect diet, why wouldn't we want to believe it. But when you can catch a cold from another (and I'm sure there will be some here who say they never get colds anymore) why should be be so entirely resistant to everything else. I do recognize my herpe condition never lifts it's head, unless I veer off my diet. But that doesn't mean it still doesn't exist waiting for my immune system to falter.
Van,
We have human senses which make us reject sex with other people.
Say you go down on a woman and you sniff her and she stinks... immediate turn off and pack up.
Humans still have a sense of discernment... and this counts and should count.
There are clear signals a guy may want to have sex with a woman... or a woman may want to have sex with a man.
Visual, smell, taste... we have auto calculation of who is yummy sexy which includes a sense of the woman being healthy. Who would really want to fuck an obviously sick person?
Now it is truly unfortunate if one is a sex slave or paid for sex and you "can't refuse" because you need the money. Obviously can't afford raw paleo. Can't choose sex partners, can't refuse sex, has too much sex partners, too frequent sex to exhaustion and not enjoyable anymore. This is where all those "protections" dogma come in. Better safe than sorry.
I follow some instincto on sex.
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I agree but that's not the point here. I contracted herpes somewhere, and my nose is as good as any to sniff out trouble. We can go around and about with this, but when it comes down to actually risking catching something when you know it's right in front of you, I think all this talk about our superior immune systems will go out the window, and you'll back out. My knees hit the humble ground when I watched my dog die of bone cancer. He was on one of the most healthy raw organic grass fed diets from day one that anyone could have provided. I don't doubt 'our' immune systems are stronger than most, I hardly ever get sick,,,, doesn't mean that we're super human.
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Thanks for the answers,
Iguana, I can only seem to find Burgers theory in what I guess is a translation from french ( it has some obscure passages, which again, I suspect to be due to the translation). Do you happen to know where can I find the original?
there is no such thing as stds. THere are many reports of full time raw dieters having sex with people that have stds many times yet they themselves contract nothing.
Just because you get eczema on your penis doesnt make it any different frome eczema on your arm.
this is all scare tactics by the population controllers to make sure people use their condoms to make sure the woman doesnt get pregnant and to make sure both man and woman rub the chemicals in the condom into the skin of their genitals ensuring proper delivery of sterilization chemicals and spermicides.
Thanks, svrn, do you think you could share some of this reports?
Van,
We have human senses which make us reject sex with other people.
Say you go down on a woman and you sniff her and she stinks... immediate turn off and pack up.
Humans still have a sense of discernment... and this counts and should count.
This is interesting GS, so you think strong vaginal smell is linked to something physical, i.e. her health, rather than something purely hereditary? I mean, it'd be important to have a solid opinion about this, before causing, maybe, permanent psychological damage ( I mean for the male, if he did engage ;), jk...).
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from we want to live by aajonus
“I want you to remove all raw food from the hospital.” He waits
glaringly for my acceptance.
“May I say something about the disease theory?”
“Those bacteria show up in lab tests.”
“All of us have the syphilis germ within us, like meat has bacteria.
However, active bacteria are distressing only when they feed on toxic
substances, like in cooked, processed and chemically grown food.
The bacterial count in cooked meat and eggs will grow sixty times
higher than in raw meat and eggs before it produces a putrid odor. The
waste produced by bacteria feeding on cooked food is extremely toxic.
That’s why bacterial food-poisoning in this country is from cooked,
packaged or restaurant food. I could not find one laboratory test that
proved bacteria living on raw meat caused food-poisoning in animals
who ate it.”
“Byron, a nutritional client and friend, got a call from the Health
Department one day last year. They told him that a woman with whom
he had had an intense sexual relationship for three months was in
second stage syphilis. He called me immediately, horrified:
“Byron,” I said, “in order for syphilis to flourish in your body, you
would have to have acute toxicity in your nervous system. You have
been on a raw diet for years, so you’re clean enough of toxins. Go
down to the clinic and have the test, but I suggest you do not take
medication. It is meant to poison the virus but viruses are not alive
and cannot be poisoned. The medication poisons millions of healthy
cells and causes the body to stop manufacturing detoxifying virus.”
“But Aajonus, this is syphilis,” Byron shouted.
“Go get the test done and then you will know.”
About a half hour later, Byron called again. He was at the clinic.
“Everyone here is panicked because I refused the medication. They
say that no one is immune to syphilis and that it could already be in
my brain because the woman is in advanced second stage. Aajonus,
I’m going to take the medication. What should I do to counteract the
side effects?”
“The medication is a poison. Just buy billions of cell caskets and
kiss your energy and sexuality good-bye, because they will diminish
for years to come - pardon the pun.”
“Aajonus, don’t kid around, this is serious.”
“Something has to make you rational again. Take a look at who’s
promoting the fear and who’s profiting. Trust me, you do not have
syphilis. You have sex more than anyone I know. That exercise in
conjunction with your raw diet keeps you clean and healthy. Use
your common sense. Panic persuades people to do all sorts of things
that are not beneficial. Who in their right mind is going to drink
poison because someone tells them to? One or two more days isn’t
going to melt your brain, Byron.”
“Aajonus! This is syphilis.”
“I have said all I can. It is your body, your life and you have to
live it. It is your choice.”
“Okay. Thanks. ‘Bye.’ ”
Five minutes later, Byron called again, “Aajonus, they say I have
to take the medication. This is syphilis.”
“Would you tell me it’s syphilis one more time, just to make sure I
remember?”
“Will you stop joking around?! We’re talking about my brain and
nervous system.”
“Byron, right now we’re talking panic and fear. I told you the
choice is yours. They cannot make you take the medication. It has
dangerous side effects.”
He handed the phone to the man at the clinic, and the man said,
“Excuse me, how can you be human and put this man’s life at more
risk? Don’t you care about him, or is he just a client you take money
from? I mean, get rational, sir, this is serious. This is syphilis.”
“Now, now, be nice, and calm down. How long will it take to get
the results?” I asked.
“As early as tomorrow, if we rush it through. But he has to begin
the medication now.”
“Would you read the specific law stating that he has to take
medication, and the procedures to enforce it.”
“It could take weeks to go through the procedures,” he said.
“Exactly, so until a judge would rule that he would have to take it,
he does not have to take it. And for a judge to order that, a syphilis-
positive blood result would be required. Am I right?”
“You have no idea the danger you are putting your client in.”
“Let me ask you this, does the medication have side effects?”
“Of course.”
“If Byron’s test comes back negative for syphilis, would you beputting him in danger with medication?”
“This is crazy. This is syphilis. Your ignorance is really sad.”
“I have been exposed to the medical profession my entire life, so
ignorant regarding it, I am not. I have also been experimenting with
raw food diets for 15½ years, so ignorant about that I am not. Have
you ever experienced anyone on a raw diet like Byron’s who tested
positive?” I asked.
“I’m not aware of anyone exposed to syphilis who was on a raw
diet. Have you worked with syphilis like I have?”
“I admit ignorance to your experience, but not about syphilis.
Since you are absolutely certain, would you be willing to pay one
thousand dollars in damages if Byron does not have syphilis as a
disease or as a carrier?”
“You are crazier than I thought,” he said and hung up.
“Byron did not take the medication and the test results were negative.
They demanded he take the test again. He did. It was also negative.”
Thoth has shared his experience on this board as well as others. perhaps search it yourself? maybe ill look for it later.
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from thoth
From may of last year to may of this year I exposed myself to herpes and HPV, but have not had any symptoms presumably because of my diet. I like to practice what I preach, which is that microbes are not harmful, and so far that seems to be the case.
We had real sex, through her periods and supposedly through an 'outbreak', which manifested as 1-3 small, barely perceptible bumps. She is not really raw, but really likes her veggies and takes tons of 'organic' supplements (which I don't agree with, naturally), but I also had her taking FCLO/FSLO and the butter oil blend, as well as bits of raw liver here and there. Still, she said that her 'outbreaks' (a little bit of a stretch of the word IMO) were few and far between even before she met me. She's a functional alcoholic due to some sexual abuse and whatnot, so I'd imagine that, and her propensity for stress and anger are the major exacerbating factors with those conditions in her case.
I have not been tested, but I'm sure I will for the next relationship, so will post what the results are. Presumably I picked it up IF those phages are legit.
It wasn't like I didn't have any misgiving's since it was my first encounter with those creatures, but this life is so short and I want to expose bullshit wherever I find it, so I decided to dive in...lol no pun intended!
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...doesn't mean that we're super human.
Exactly.
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This is interesting GS, so you think strong vaginal smell is linked to something physical, i.e. her health, rather than something purely hereditary? I mean, it'd be important to have a solid opinion about this, before causing, maybe, permanent psychological damage ( I mean for the male, if he did engage ;), jk...).
It's not about the strength of the smell. It's about if your instincts tell you to reject that smell. If it's vile or unacceptable.
Even if a woman genetically smells a certain way and you don't dig her smell... that is a big fat clue you aren't compatible. I used to court a girl because I liked the way she looked. But as I got closer to her, her natural smell smelled like piss to me.
When I met my wife, she looked hottest in my eyes and her natural smell was at the same time awesome for me.
Notice how big the perfume industry is.
...doesn't mean that we're super human.
I agree we aren't super human... just better than what we previously were.
Me today better than me 10 or 20 or 30 years ago.
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Just wanted to say I totally agree with you and the smell. It's amazing how it can such an Instant turnoff, sometimes embarrassingly so.
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Just wanted to say I totally agree with you and the smell. It's amazing how it can such an Instant turnoff, sometimes embarrassingly so.
Ditto on the embarrassing.
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Iguana, I can only seem to find Burgers theory in what I guess is a translation from french ( it has some obscure passages, which again, I suspect to be due to the translation). Do you happen to know where can I find the original?
Yes, I also noticed the translation is sometimes a bit flawed on these pages: http://www.reocities.com/HotSprings/7627/ggindex.html (http://www.reocities.com/HotSprings/7627/ggindex.html)
The book “Manger Vrai”, third edition of “La guerre du cru”, is not entirely on line in the original version. There’s been a limited reprint that perhaps you can still order from GCB through his forum:
http://instinctotherapie.ning.com/ (http://instinctotherapie.ning.com/)
There’s a lot of info on his website:
http://www.gcburger.com/ (http://www.gcburger.com/)
and also here:
http://www.reocities.com/HotSprings/7627/index.html (http://www.reocities.com/HotSprings/7627/index.html)
with some of his texts including parts of the above book http://www.reocities.com/HotSprings/7627/ecritsGCB.html (http://www.reocities.com/HotSprings/7627/ecritsGCB.html)
amongst them one on viral diseases http://www.reocities.com/HotSprings/7627/mvrai250-271.html (http://www.reocities.com/HotSprings/7627/mvrai250-271.html)
and the foreword of Dr. Jean Seignalet http://www.reocities.com/instincto/temJSeignalet.html (http://www.reocities.com/instincto/temJSeignalet.html)
See also this post about the 10 years long experiments on hundreds of mice:
http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ecologie-Alimentaire/message/5934 (http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ecologie-Alimentaire/message/5934)