Paleo Diet: Raw Paleo Diet and Lifestyle Forum
Members' Journals => Journals => Topic started by: cavebiatch on December 31, 2013, 01:12:50 pm
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Thanks to my crappy diet during childhood, I don't think even regular paleo will do it for me, even though it seems to help a lot of other people.
So I am really hoping that raw paleo will help me. After all it wasn't difficult at all to say "screw it" to cooked meats and chow down on the raw. The only cooked meat I like is bacon, but who knows. Maybe someday I'll be like "what is this crap" and stop eating bacon.
I am struggling with:
PCOS - Endometriosis - Rheumatoid Arthritis - Candida - Acne - PTSD
Funny how if you have one, you tend to have many other illnesses.
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Tried slivers of raw lamb during Christmas. Didn't get sick. Screw the doctors.
December 27: tried thawed raw beef. Bad texture, but edible. Ate with kimchi and sauerkraut.
December 28: 0.20 lb of Liver (delicious!), Beef shank with a bit of bone marrow, shoulder roast.
December 29: Finished the shoulder roast from yesterday.
December 30: Ate stock meat, but ate too many. Felt like crap. Finished the day off with raw rib. Still craving more raw meat, and liver... damn.
Cooked meat tastes like crap without any seasoning, but raw meat is juicy, mild, savory, and sweet by itself. Whoever came up with cooking meats, I have no idea. Why would you ever cook meat lol... I can't even begin to reason why..
The only good cooked meat is bacon, but even that requires raw curing... what...
I only use fermented veggies for the extra tang and the potential probiotic value. I began taking probiotics with my meals and use them every day.
I am experimenting with urine as a hair and skin method. I know it sounds disgusting but I am so unhibited by 'ew' factors by this point. I eat raw meat. I can eat 2 pounds of butter a week when I can afford it. Urine hair rinse? Yeah, I am up for the challenge!
I am trying to see what aged urine would be best for me. Fresh? A day old?
Can I mix herbal concoctions with the urine for more benefits, or to compliment/disguise the odor?
Can I use conditioner afterwards? Will I even need my conditioner anymore?
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Coming out:
I might meet my family again anytime soon and my boyfriend is returning home in 4 months.
My sister is in med school, and she warns that eggs should be fully cooked to the core in order to avoid salmonella (even though salmonella... is on the outside?) and my mom is super paranoid about parasites and germs so she won't even let me cook because I don't cook my meats inside out like she does. She has to cook her meats until the core is all gray because that is safer in her opinion. This Christmas she told me she'll make me medium rare steak and then I found that it was gray to the core LOL. So no, I can't get away with the "cooked surface but raw inside" disguise at someone else's house. I am sure I'll have to join my family and relatives again for the holidays and weddings, what do I eat besides a bunch of boiled eggs??!?! Even eating a bunch of boiled eggs get me that "that's too much cholesterol!" bs.
My family is already concerned over me eating a lot of butter and they think I eat too much meat and animal produce. They attribute all my health problems such as acne to eating too much butter and not enough vegetables. God forbid how they'll react if they find out that the reason I refuse to join in their pastas and the dumplings is because I eat raw meat. I am sure my mom would break down by the thought of me eating raw liver, and my family would force me into an institution. For real!
My mom knew some hunter's daughters who were raised on wild game blood and offals, and admits that the sisters were strong and beautiful looking. Yet, she's convinced that raw meat = instant death. Ugh.
I want to improve my health, and my looks, and after people are surprised as how I've changed, THEN I want to confess to them so they don't think I am anorexic for refusing their cooked vegetables or something. Then when they go "but but Dr. PhD said..", I can be like, "hey, I look way healthier. The proof is in the pudding, who cares what Dr. PhD says?"
My family already thinks that my avoidance of gluten and cow dairy is BS, and they suggest that I cook with grapeseed or olive oil (which are not real olive oil anyway in most stores), eat more vegetables, whole grains, and soy. I am sure the reason why I am smaller and weaker than my siblings is because my mom was really into the conventional healthy lifestyle such as eating more soy products, drinking a lot of orange juice, only eating whole grains, cutting out meat when possible, using margarine, and low-fat everything. Somehow I wasn't stopped from drinking sodas and eating a lot of candies by mom. My siblings are several years older than I am, and were raised on the more traditional ethnic diets. And they're healthy and they wonder if all my health issues are just in my head. After all, my mom did "everything right" but I was still sick. I was often accused of pretending to be sick for attention.
As you can see, I am extremely bitter with the conventional wisdom and the stupidity of the doctors who failed to help me. The more I think about it, the more the medical industry looks like a joke, and so many smart and gifted students are put into a position where they exploit people's illness instead of curing them, and the med students don't even know it.
When I switched to borderline paleo (not even real paleo but following the basic stuff), I wasn't bedridden 24/7 and I felt more "concious" of the things around me. As if I was drunk during my whole childhood and suddenly I am sober and aware. Sometimes I used to cry because I was so bitter, it felt like my childhood was robbed and I am so much weaker, smaller, and sicker compared to other people. No child should go through the sickness and pain I did, let alone be constantly told that there's nothing wrong and that all the pain is inside your head.
Even after I followed some paleo rules, I didn't watch my sugar intake. Even though I don't eat a lot of sugar compared to others, I probably had lingering gut issues that made me a lot more sensitive. I still had acne and occasional fatigue. My periods were still very painful. I was diagnosed with PCOS (I didn't tell my family because that would open up a whole new can of criticisms and power struggles) and I am told that it's "genetic" and that all I can do it take birth control. What utter crock. Thank you fat doctor, but why should I believe you when you can't even take care of yourself...
My family knows that I eat differently, but thanks to my chronic symptoms, they think my diet is BS. They point out that I still have acne, and blame the butter or accuse me of starving myself, and that I should just "take a bite" in the whole grain dumplings they made...
Boyfriend:
He's coming home in 4 months. My boyfriend finds it funny how I eat a lot of 'fattening' foods but never gain weight. He jokes about how I must be so fat because of the bacon I eat, but he knows that I am not fat. I never was. He's sure that it's my fast metabolism and freak genetics, but I try to convince him that fat doesn't make you fat. My BF would be aghast if he finds that I eat raw meat, but then I'll use the "proof is in the pudding" argument on him. And then compare raw meat to sushi, one of his favorite foods. Or maybe, who knows, he'll find it exotic and claim that he has a dog as a girlfriend.
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I already know that they're ignorant, it's just that they can get away with it while I can't, and then any issues I have, they attribute to me not following the conventional wisdom. It's really sad when people don't believe what they see with their eyes and go with what the 'experts' tell them.
"If it's so bad for us why would they put it in our food"
"They probably put whole grains in here because it's good for us"
"But usa.gov said so"
"But my doctor said whole grains are good, so any sickness I have after eating it must be imaginary"
I used the tallow on my skin that I skimmed from a chilled stock. It smelled beefy but then the tallow absorbed into my skin and there were no smell. I hope that cooking the fat didn't render the tallow bad or anything. After all I think all tallow, to be rendered, needed to be cooked to a point.
I've tried a lot of magic bullet short term stuff. I need the long term! :)
I didn't try neem oil but I use the neem powder for my skin. It instantly deals with the acne already on the surface and gives my face softness and a glow, but it's temporary. It doesn't stop the hot mess going on in the inside.
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As you can see, I am extremely bitter with the conventional wisdom and the stupidity of the doctors who failed to help me...
Being bitter isn't all that healthy. I see why you are, and I certainly went through that phase too, but the sooner you can let that all go the better off you'll be.
I have the same struggles with family that you do. I suspect many others here do as well. As time passes they'll get used to your eating patterns, however different they may be. My mom and sisters are constantly reminded that I eat most of my meat raw, and that I'm the only one among them not suffering from chronic disease. They won't touch raw meat or organs, but years in they've largely stopped pestering me to change back to their eating patters.
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Being bitter isn't all that healthy. I see why you are, and I certainly went through that phase too, but the sooner you can let that all go the better off you'll be.
I have the same struggles with family that you do. I suspect many others here do as well. As time passes they'll get used to your eating patterns, however different they may be. My mom and sisters are constantly reminded that I eat most of my meat raw, and that I'm the only one among them not suffering from chronic disease. They won't touch raw meat or organs, but years in they've largely stopped pestering me to change back to their eating patters.
I only changed my diet a 2 years ago and I still have a lot of health issues, so it's difficult not to be reminded. I am sure I'll get over it once things get better.
It's easier for you because you're the healthy one while your family is unhealthy. For me it's the opposite, and I have health issues so it's as if I don't have any authority over health because "if your diet works so well why are you still sick? I eat normal and I am fine. Thus your diet must be BS and you should just use more soap on your face / take pills"
The only redemption is to become a living proof of change. I am hoping that raw paleo will help take me there.
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Where do you live? Maybe it would be worthwhile to set up some sort of mentoring relationship with someone nearby to help you troubleshoot? Even if by phone, I think it might help you.
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Lol did you read my post? What are you even arguing with? I used the tallow on my skin and it did an excellent job.
Nothing to do with diet.
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Your post reminds me of me starting out with critical family and bitterness with doctors. The more health improvements you see, the more you'll be so grateful to have found your way all on your own. With doctors, I just remind myself that they were giving me the best care they knew how to give. And thank goodness they failed me or I'd actually think I needed their care?! My family loves me, and I know they couldn't handle it, so I keep it secret. I bring food with me, eat in solitude (something I prefer for calm anyway), and just find a way to keep busy with something while everyone is eating. My mom did figure it out. Meat was disappearing without dishes getting dirty and she just said, 'you're eating it raw then?' Now its 'our' secret :) She can be very critical, but she's seen me at about my worst and is just glad I'm eating and healthy!
The confidence you'll feel when you cross off more on your list is so wonderful!!… enjoy the journey :)
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...Do not expect shit from your diet until you keep it raw.
Thoth, your post comes across to me as a little extreme, multiple F-bombs and all. How about toning it down a little? I doubt you'd say something like that to someone in person, so why type it here?
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Cavebiatch and Eric... I think Thoth meant well. Maybe the "F" word doesn't come across "nice" sometimes.
Happy New Year everyone!
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Eric, and I will do you a courtesy that you have not extended me, which is to allow you to blather without protestation.
lol what? Drop it with the internet tough guy attitude. Reserve that niche for the vegans.
Your skin literally eats the things it absorbs CB, the only difference is it doesnt have the mitigating factor of the gut, careful what you put on you, or in your tummy or in your lungs bla bla bla
Oh please.
The skin does absorb what we put on it, no shit. Thanks for telling us, captain obvious. So what? Still has nothing to do with diet nor is it as severe to put something on your skin as eating it (or you wouldn't have suggested the neem oil). Never did I ask if I am getting the *supah dupah magical powah* of the raw fats by skimming the tallow. Now behave yourself.
Cavebiatch and Eric... I think Thoth meant well. Maybe the "F" word doesn't come across "nice" sometimes.
Happy New Year everyone!
Thoth meant well, indeed. By going off-tangent.
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Your post reminds me of me starting out with critical family and bitterness with doctors. The more health improvements you see, the more you'll be so grateful to have found your way all on your own. With doctors, I just remind myself that they were giving me the best care they knew how to give. And thank goodness they failed me or I'd actually think I needed their care?! My family loves me, and I know they couldn't handle it, so I keep it secret. I bring food with me, eat in solitude (something I prefer for calm anyway), and just find a way to keep busy with something while everyone is eating. My mom did figure it out. Meat was disappearing without dishes getting dirty and she just said, 'you're eating it raw then?' Now its 'our' secret :) She can be very critical, but she's seen me at about my worst and is just glad I'm eating and healthy!
The confidence you'll feel when you cross off more on your list is so wonderful!!… enjoy the journey :)
I hope they can at least 'tolerate' me. I am sure if one found out, the rumor would spread like wildfire though. ;)
Today I had lamb shoulder blade chops with marrow bones in them. The marrow is sweet and easy to pull out, unlike cow.
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Fair enough, all you had to do was wish me out of here!
All you had to do was play nice, but okay.
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Never did I ask if I am getting the *supah dupah magical powah* of the raw fats by skimming the tallow.
I lol'ed so hard at this.
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I lol'ed so hard at this.
^_^
So this morning I finished another piece of lamb shoulder blade chop w/ some raw bone marrow. I still have a funny sore feeling after eating it, but maybe it's also because I ate it with kimchi. I am not good with spicy stuff.
I realized that I keep craving raw meat.
The fats on raw meats seem unchewable at first but the more I chew on it, the more it becomes soft. It helps to have it at room temperature.
Lamb shank TONIGHT! It's fatty fatty fatty. Also forgot to mention, I also eat raw egg yolk (no egg white) after meals. They're delicious.
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Finished the lamb shank with no problem this morning, and left the beef shank to dry at room temperature and ate it a bit throughout the day.
I keep getting a little heartburn after eating raw meat. I am not sure if it's because of the fermented veggies or the meat itself. I just had beef shank with marrow.
I ate kimchi before, I never got sore stomach right after kimchi. However that was years ago.
I wonder if meat is really digesting in my system. I eat both fat and muscle. I eat the muscle diced.
I had small but well formed stool these days (I had dehydrated stools prior to eating raw meat), but when I did an enema and expelled, there were some stool where it seemed like undigested parts of raw meat were stuck in them. After the enema, the heartburn from my meat dinner felt a bit worse.
I did the enema because I 'cheated' paleo a little for the holidays and felt like it was dragging me down. Thanks to 'cheating' during the holiday I haven't done any urine hair wash or anything.
The tallow keeps my hair really nice. I use it in my hair before shampoo (I still use shampoo).
I threw the stew meat away, only saved the bones. I don't want to bother eating cooked meat unless I absolutely love it, but I love bone broth so there.
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You might want to eat some Real Salt, Pink Himalayan Salt, Black Himalayan Salt or whatever great salt you can gets your hands on.
If you need probiotics to assist you to at the start, try it out.
In the future try high meat.
You may want to measure just how much animal food in weight you eat in a day. You may be eating too much.
There is also the issue of frequency of animal food meals.
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I thought that I might be eating too much meat. Somewhere here I read that I should eat as much as it can fit in on my hand (or palm?), I've been eating way more than that. Maybe two handful.
I eat probiotic supplements along with food.
What frequency do you mean? I eat two raw meals a day, with some yogurt and snacks in between. The snacks are no more than the raw meats.
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The "palm of the hand" guideline is used a lot by dietitians and nutritionists to give people a way to eyeball 100 grams of meat. "The size of a deck of playing cards" is also used as an eyeball guideline.
If that's how much you intend to eat at one serving, why not weigh the meat and then learn how much it looks like? Another way is to base your servings on how much meat you bought. In other words, if you buy a pound of meat, figure one-fourth of it is one serving.
You have mentioned eating kimchi with your meat, and that it might be giving you heartburn, so I wonder what happens when you eat a mono-meal of meat only? Also, what's in your kimchi? Some contain small amounts of sugar, MSG, rice flour, etc.
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I don't know if it's the kimchi though. I had kimchi and other fermented vegetables as a child and I don't remember linking any stomachache to fermented vegetables. I did have stomachache right after eating crap like brown or whole grain pastas though (as I said, mom was really into "healthy" stuff), and that is how it feels right now.
However I didn't have fermented veggies for a long time, not even pickles, so maybe my body is getting used to it again.
Anyway I don't know why there were pieces of raw meat in my stool. Maybe it goes hand in hand with the indigestion. I do admit I ate more that I should though.
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Its definitely not normal to have raw meat in your shit.
I would also suggest something to help you digest, like chewing on a stick of celery before eating, or dip the meat in some vinegar or an egg yolk or a tiny bit of salt or chew on some bitter greens. Just work on getting your digestive juices going, there are good teas for doing that as well. I found all of those helpful and don't really have digestive issues with meat/bones/gristle/whatever, even when swallowed whole, I don't see em in my poo.
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Doesn't vinegar denature the meat? Vinegary meat sounds very unappealing. I do eat egg yolks after I eat meat sometimes.
I didn't see raw meat in my stool until I did the enema. I thought the enema only reaches the lower colon (I didn't do the enema to "clean my colon" or anything, I actually was crappy after the holidays). I can understand undigested meat being in the intestine but the colon? Maybe I stimulated the intestine too and everything just expelled because I was really hungry afterwards. Oops.
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Probably, but you may want to cut down on the amount of meat you eat at one sitting. Your body can only use so much protein for repair and maintenance, the rest is converted to glucose at the expense of some toxic byproducts, better to get your energy from fats, or even carbs. I can't remember are you finding tasty animal fats to eat in good quantities?
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For morning and lunch, I did not eat raw meat at all. After thinking about the stool, I didn't want to eat it yet until I craved it.
I decided to add more starch into my diet to see how I feel (and the probiotic I use need a boost too), so I cooked up a bit of indian rice using the cooked broth as water and bacon grease. I had cooked bacon, rice, and broth.
During dinner I began craving raw meat again so I took out the leftover beef shank and ate less than a palmful, making sure not to overdo it. I warmed the marrow I scooped out of the bone and the raw meat in my broth (not warm enough to cook it), and it tasted a lot better as the dry meat soaked up the broth. I feel a lot better.
Have any of you tried drying meat in the fridge for a few days (a day or two) before eating it? I realized that softer meats is much easier to cut instead of just forming to the knife.
van I usually eat a lot of animal fats before raw paleo, but I realized that I recently haven't been doing so. When I get my hands on raw butter, I eat half a pound in a day not because I force myself but because I crave it. After raw butter, the other butters I used to eat now taste like wax (and this is the pastured, organic kind of butters). I think this is why I haven't been eating a lot of animal fats recently, because I just got so spoiled by the raw butter.
However I have often have raw egg yolks after meal, yogurt, and I also eat the fats off the raw meats so I don't think I am too fat deprived. However I think my body is used to a lot more fats running through the guts.
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I use scissors to cut meat after a big slice with a knife. Far easier for me. Try it.
I see you are transitioning. Try to be grain free. Use some other starch source like sweet potatoes or jacima or yacon.
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I use scissors too. I think I may not have cut the meat small enough as well.
I hate sweet potatoes except Japanese purple potato. I'll look into yacima and jacon.
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I wrote this in a previous reply, caveB, there are numerous posts on aging meat. It definitely makes it more digestible, I think dry aging makes it more delicious as well.
"Try slicing the roast thin and then letting it sit in the open air, either on a rack or on a plate, making sure to flip it once a day or so and wipe up any extra juice before returning it to the plate. You can do this on the counter or in the fridge. It should start to dry out a bit and will become much more tender and easily digestible if you are doing it right. The flavor should also improve, but you have to make sure its uncovered."
Keep us updated on how you are doing :)
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I'll have to go back and reread your post. I wonder why drying it a bit helps the digestion part?
I think I jumped onto raw meat too quickly. I read somewhere on the forum that SAD eaters, who use vegetables, fibers, and grains, have expanded guts thanks to the large amount of food it takes to fill us up versus raw meat. I definitely do feel hungry after eating only a palmful of meat, so that is probably why I ate more than I should.
I am thinking of keeping some cooked foods in and transitioning slowly to more raw.
Today I drank more broth, with bacon and some rice. My stool came out Type 4 on the bristol stool scale, which was good news for me. I think a bit of cooked foods, broth, and lesser amounts of raw meat really helped. I think the enema may also have helped but who knows.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_stool_scale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_stool_scale)
Okay enough poo talk...
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One thing that works for me whenever I veer off this diet and want to get back on is a broth fast. I eat no solid food for a couple days, and drink as much vegetable & bone broth as I want, maybe with some melted pastured butter in it to help my gut get used to digesting fats again. This is satisfying enough that it also helps me get over carb cravings, and makes it so the liquid fast is nourishing enough that I can remain active. You might consider something like this.
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Get rid of the bacon, unless you can personally verify the source. Even Joel Salatin feeds his pigs some grain, and that's just not good for their health or ours.
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I get my bacon from a local farmer. I asked about the feed and he said they're pasture raised (no grains) and I trust him because his products are good. When I eat the "organic bacon" from Whole Foods I get reactions, but not from this guy's bacon. My skin felt better and more supple after consuming his bacon so I'll keep it as an option.
I ate broth and raw beef shank (including marrow) today, but the shank I made sure not to eat too much just yet. I also supplemented with pasteurized goat butter and gelatin tea. I am PO'd because I am out of eggs and I can't get any until the end of this week. WH was out of liver too, and can't get that either until the end of this week. I really miss my raw egg yolks, raw liver, raw goat cheese, and raw butters! *rocks back and forth lol*
I am so disappointed that cooked paleo didn't help me (but I wasn't watching my carb intake either) and now I am searching for a health regimen all over again. School is going to start soon and my schedule is PACKED. I need to get my shit together and figure out how I'll keep my energy and avoid skipping class during periods due to extreme pain (I have PCOS). I really hope that raw paleo will help me.
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Just because pigs are 'pasture raised' does not mean they are not fed grain. Did you ask specifically if the pigs were fed grain? I mean very specifically, as in verbatim asking the farmer "Do you feed your pigs grain, any grain at all?"
I work with a lot of farmers doing on-farm energy audits, and while many happily affix the 'pasture raised' label to their animals every farmer who raises pigs on a commercial scale that I've ever worked with supplements heavily with grain. Even for most pasture raised pigs, grain represents the majority of their diet, both in terms of calories and in terms of dry mass. Pork, among the various types of livestock, is the easiest to earn high profits for raising. Just do the bare minimum to earn some sort of premium label (like 'organic', or 'pasture raised', or 'humanely raised') and sell the meat, which will still be of low quality, at a premium price.
I often think of pigs as the carp of the mammalian world. Carp are regarded as a trash fish here in the US, mainly because they root around in the bottom of lakes and rivers, eat anything they find regardless of quality, and bioaccumulate all sorts of toxins. Pigs also root around in the ground, eat anything they find regardless of quality, and because their bodies have a high fat content I'd wager they also bioaccumulate all sorts of toxins.
Pig meat is not on my menu.
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Yeah I asked. Also pigs are foragers, they don't eat 100% grass, so they eat whatever they find. Nothing wrong with that. I don't remember what the farmer supplemented them with, all I know is that there weren't any grains such as wheat, oats, or barley in their diet (yeah I listen for those things).
I trust the quality. As someone who is sensitive to Whole Foods pork ('organic soy-free vegetarian" my ass..), the local farmer's bacon only did me good so far. I don't think pigs are naturally dirty animals, at least no more than chicken. The bacon is indeed pretty expensive, so I don't eat that much, and I save the fat for my soups. So good.
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I think the best thing would be to ask the farmer specifically "what do you feed the pigs?" With 100% grass fed animals we know they're eating nothing but grass except in winter when someone who truly does grass fed will feed hay (no grains). Since pigs are never "100% grass fed" it's best to ask what they're being fed.
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Redundant questioning works well if you stop short of being a nuisance. Example: "Do you feed your stock any grains? Do they get any corn? How about soy? What kind of supplements do you put out?" Usually I get a "no" to the first question... and a "yes, all livestock get soy" kind of answer later on.
I also do not include pork in my diet. I buy beef from a butcher shop and lamb from a farmer.
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I did ask, I just don't remember lol...
No grains, no soy. That's all I remember.
After he said pasture raised, no grains, no soy, I just went I AM SOLD. I'LL TAKE THREE
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I have been eating raw pork this year. It's all pasture raised and really delicious.
I'll have to go back and reread your post. I wonder why drying it a bit helps the digestion part?
The drying is just slow aging, it allows the natural bacteria and enzymes on the meat to start the digestion process, making making it more easily broken down and assimilated in your body. I think it might also help to populate your own gut with the bacteria's necessary to break down meat in the lower intestines.
Producers of fine meats, grain or grass fed, usually age meat because they know it improves texture and taste and profit.
I have been eating raw pork this past year, there are some really good pastured/forage fed farms around here and they produce some really quality meat. I just stick with pork belly when I can get it, which is basically unprocessed bacon, and really fatty pork chops. I have read that pastured pork can be a good source for vitamin D.
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I haven't eaten pork for days now. I was drinking broth (until I accidently dried the bones out), eating small portions of raw meat, butter, gelatin snacks, probiotics, other stuff. I don't know if it's the broth (doubt it), probiotics (probably), the raw meat (probably), or the enema (maybe), but I've been having moist, normal stools for a few days now so this is real good news for me.
My period started so let's see if this time is as painful as the last times.
Speaking of periods, I read a thread here claiming that it's not 'natural' to have monthly periods or whatever, but the raw vegans say the exact same thing. So how do we know if monthly periods are 'healthy', 'unnatural', or what?
No period can mean you're anemic. Monthly periods can mean your body is trying to expel excess toxins or whatever. Jesus christ, who can I believe anymore..
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What is abnormal is what passes of as "sexuality" these days is unnatural.
Birth control / contraception at every turn... most of it chemical, hormonal, mechanical, abortion harmful.
Women not getting nutrition from ejaculates.
Women trying for first baby in their 30s and 40s is unnatural.
But we just do the best we can with the present money system.
You might want to give more info regarding your personal information so people can chime in here with period normality... age, # children, delivery method, contraceptive methods, # of abortions, past pharma drug use, if you have a sex partner these days, etc.
The info you provide may sound too obtrusive, you might just want to PM the females here about that info instead of making that public.
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Sorry, I don't have links handy, but you might want to read about the studies of the Dogon people in Mali. Good example of how different cultural practices lead to women with about one fourth the lifetime menses of people like us. I'm blown away by the fact that they have an average of 100 lifetime menses to "our" 400. Even with my 8 years of continuous pregnancy/breastfeeding, I figure I had a lifetime of 380 cycles.
P.S. There is nothing unusual about the Dogon that wouldn't be true of other natural peoples... they were chosen to study because they have a practice of sending women to the menstrual hut, so sociologists can easily tell who's menstruating and when.
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evenheart I know this is a common argument and I don't know if it's BS or not, but isn't it because hunter gatherers have kids earlier than we do and they breastfeed? Oh and I am sure that eating a proper diet prevents them from hemorrhaging everywhere for a week like we do.
Women on American diets seem to complain about menstrual cramps the most. Women from other countries complain less because they eat differently. Has anyone realized that? Other people probably don't eat crappy diets and take birth control for every minor symptom like we do.
Either way, menstrual pain cannot be natural. I can tell it's utter bullshit when other women and doctors are like "periods are SUPPOSED to hurt, it's natural! Here take tylenol." Curse of the woman my ass, there is no female curse. More like curse of modern day pollution and crappy diets. These people are on the same level as those who think teens are SUPPOSED to have acne.
We survived without tylenol for thousands of years and isn't it interesting how you never read about menstrual pain in old literature? I began getting menstrual cramps very early, at the age of 14, like many of my other female friends. On the other hand, my grandmothers mentioned not having debilitating menstrual pain (drowsiness and some contraction is understandable due to blood loss but not if you're bed-bound), and it's not like they had kids early than modern people do (they got pregnant when they were like 22-28, not 15 like most people wouldn't imagined). Even women who never give birth aren't mentioned to have menstrual pain, so it can't be the "periods hurt these days because women have less children". Utter crock.
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I can't wait until the weekends so I can get raw liver. I wonder why I crave raw liver, is it some sort of deficiency?
To answer your question goodsamaritan, I am in my 20's, no kids, never took birth control/abortion, I don't know what sort of meds I was on though. I got sick a lot as a kid and my parents (who are connected to the med industry) didn't really give a hoot about WHY I was sick and threw all sorts of meds at me (yep, med people pull this BS on their own kids too).I don't know if I ever had antibiotics, I think I used a steroid cream before (I had uterine prolapse as a kid, I don't know why), and I never had probiotics or a lot of yogurt so I am sure my guts aren't that great.
FUCK! My period (when it began bleeding heavily) was just as crappy as any other time, it hurt for like 4 hours. I was outside when it happen and I rolled around and fell asleep at the mall (the employees were so patient). This can't be natural. If this was the jungle I'd be eaten by now.
I don't know if I should take birth control, it seems to help people but also make them suicidal/moody to a degree and a lot of people end up being dependent on it. I want to get to the root cause of my issues instead of taking symptom-covering pills. On the other hand, school is coming and I don't want to miss school and get bad grades thanks to my crappy health.
What the fuck did I do to deserve this lol?
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Also has anyone eaten frozen/thawed cow offals? I heard the thawed heart tastes disgusting/beefy as hell.
The local WH offers chicken offals (I think they're pastured but I don't remember). Are chicken offals any good? Any danger to them? I have this mental block that chickens are nasty, PUFA filled animals.
I am sure I need way more than just some cow muscle meats, raw livers, and bone marrows.
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Beef heart tastes pretty good but I always get mine fresh and never frozen.
Chicken, I dream about it 2x a year and have my fill and only then.
I heard some people here actually like chicken... be open minded about it.
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Oh FML. I think I am an idiot. I finished my raw meat & liver on the morning of the 13th, no problem.
As school started, I decided that I was busy and got some rice and chicken from whole foods for a quick meal, followed by canned soup (contains a bit of gluten), and then some homemade cooked meals. My stools got hard, and on the 15th, I had retrieved a sample of this: http://www.amazon.com/Renew-Life-Cleanse-More-veggie/dp/B000F4W86A (http://www.amazon.com/Renew-Life-Cleanse-More-veggie/dp/B000F4W86A)
So I was thinking, "my stools are getting hard, why not" and didn't pay attention to see that it's a laxative. I am an idiot, I thought it was fiber and took it. For the 16th and 17th, bathroom breaks weren't pleasant and I am cramping (not bad like menstrual cramp but still). I even had some bright red blood with some fluffy tissue-like stuff in my stool. It could be parasites but I doubt it, maybe it's a gut lining. I feel so stupid, I was tired. I am sure the day of diarrhea, the cramps, and the blood/tissue in my stool are cleansemore's fault.
Now what? I am freaking out right now. I can go to the doctor, I guess, but what now? Do I continue eating raw meat? Raw meat isn't filling. I don't want anything that's going to irritate my guts any longer.
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I even had some bright red blood with some fluffy tissue-like stuff in my stool. It could be parasites but I doubt it, maybe it's a gut lining.
Most like mucus plus blood from local irritation as your hard stool passed. Something like that.
...but what now? Do I continue eating raw meat? Raw meat isn't filling. I don't want anything that's going to irritate my guts any longer.
True, raw meat (by itself) isn't filling. If you eat raw meat to get filled, you will most likely be eating too much muscle. There are plenty of ideas on this forum to teach you to build your satisfying way of eating. A lot of your learning will come from trial and error. I recommend that you consider the chicken-and-rice incident to be a form of trial and error. Ditto the laxative experience. Learn and live.
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Since there was blood, I probably have open wounds inside me. It's possible for them to get infected so I am taking probiotics. Might not help, but maybe.
I already took raw goat cheese and goat yogurt (pasteurized) for a gentle and filling meal as well, and I am making broth tomorrow from the bones I saved up. Are raw egg yolks safe for an inflamed gut? I doubt I have egg allergies.
It's funny how people tell us not to eat meat and cheese because they get you constipated, and to eat more veggies. I eat more veggies and I get constipated. Oh I forgot to mention, I ate more veggies than usual before becoming constipated, but I don't know if it's related to the constipation itself. The rice might've gotten me constipated.
I am going to stay away from storemade/canned foods. I need to be more proactive about prepping my meals. I'll have to start meal-planning, and what's even more difficult is that I can't go to the farmer's market anymore to get the eggs, bacon, raw butter, and raw cheese at will because I have class. What a great way to start the school semester. sigh.
I feel better the more I go to the bathroom. I hope the laxative gets out of the system as quickly as possible. It's way too powerful, I don't even know how this is okay and how other people were fine after using it. I guess the benefit is that I feel really cleaned out/refreshed?
Jesus, some people live off ramen and are seemingly healthy. Why can't some of us be able to eat normally? fml.
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edit: also, this may not be related to diet but I think my gut issues have a lot to do with stress too. I don't know if therapists really help. Does anyone have tips to coping with acute stress?
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edit: also, this may not be related to diet but I think my gut issues have a lot to do with stress too. I don't know if therapists really help. Does anyone have tips to coping with acute stress?
In my experience, the sensation of acute stress is created by certain thinking patterns, such as when I anticipate a negative outcome based on past experiences. For example, a student like yourself might perceive stress during school because of pre-perceived workloads, deadlines, exams, and the task of learning a lot of new material at a fast pace.
I find that mindfulness - which is a meditation technique - helps to calm me down so that I can look at my stressors from an objective base and make different decisions about their impact on me. For example, if I have a lot of pages to read, I can accept and acknowledge that students have huge reading lists, and that I have gotten through the material before, so I'll get through it this time. I might dwell on how much I like learning in my field, how wonderful my professors and classmates are, how cute my little apartment is... stuff like that.
In short, if you refuse to believe that the stress comes from an external source, you can begin to find ways to dissolve it from within.
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I wasn't able to find a gastro enterologist who actually can look into my colon as they're all closed for Saturday, but I went to the walk in urgent care clinic and was sorely disappointed.
I called and asked if they were able to help me with my cramps and the blood in my stool, and I was told yes. However the doctor, since she didn't have the equipment to look inside me, said that she's have to refer me to a gastro enterologist that I can meet on Monday. I thought the doc would at least have internal medication or something to help with the sore intestines but all she offered were tylenol. Why did they tell me they can help then? It's like they gave me false information. I don't think the doctor even looked at my list of allergies as she recommended that I eat toast (as part of the BRAT diet). What a waste of money. However, she said I have hemorrhoids and prescribed me hemorrhoid cream. Otherwise I am still having cramps, but I don't see blood or anything anymore.
Screw it, I am going to be safe and treat myself as if I have Ulcerative Colitis, those were pretty much my symptoms anyway. A lot of online articles claim that I have to avoid fatty foods if I have gut issues. I wonder how true that is, if they also mean healthy raw fats or just the industrial stuff (such as veggie oils and CAFO animal fats)?
I am thinking of giving up goat milk. I wonder if I should also give up raw cheese (I hope not)?
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Believe it or not, liver craving again... but I was too tired to go get liver today.
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They did not have raw liver. However, I bought pasture raised chicken from Whole Foods. Unfortunately, pasture raised doesn't mean much. Look here: http://housebrokenblog.com/2011/05/06/that-perfect-chicken-not-so-much/ (http://housebrokenblog.com/2011/05/06/that-perfect-chicken-not-so-much/)
I expected it to have that smell I assume dead fetuses have, because chicken usually has that nasty odd smell. This one actually smelled really nice. Do you think it's because it's "pastured" lol?
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You may want to try some magnesium. It will soften and ease your stools.
Also, just avoid chicken, period. Chicken is even worse than pork, in terms of what "pasture-raised" actually means.
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Yeah, I generally avoid purchasing both chicken and pork. Commercially raised meat from these animals is pretty much universally of poor quality, or worse. The only way I'd eat chicken is if I raised and slaughtered it myself, or if someone I knew well raised it for their own consumption and I did all of the slaughtering and cutting. Otherwise it's off the list.
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So this morning I finished another piece of lamb shoulder blade chop w/ some raw bone marrow. I still have a funny sore feeling after eating it, but maybe it's also because I ate it with kimchi. I am not good with spicy stuff.
I realized that I keep craving raw meat.
The fats on raw meats seem unchewable at first but the more I chew on it, the more it becomes soft. It helps to have it at room temperature.
Lamb shank TONIGHT! It's fatty fatty fatty. Also forgot to mention, I also eat raw egg yolk (no egg white) after meals. They're delicious.
Oh heck ya! I have been eating 80/20 raw ground lamb
Very delicious!