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Hot Topics / Re: Paleo vs Vegan
« on: March 13, 2015, 11:34:50 am »
We do need to get back to Sully's video discussion.

Oh, yes...

Sully, interesting video. I love the way you explain the variations of vegan-ness and paleo-ness. Very well thought out. Overall, you make a good peace ambassador.

I'm not at all torn by the vegan vs. paleo debate. As a former vegan, I admit I used to think that meat itself was toxic and immoral, and that mankind was not designed to kill, eat, or digest meat. Now I think that eating meat is exactly what my body needs in every cell. Regarding vegans, they probably thrive spiritually or nutritionally in ways that I didn't experience I'm not the judge of the details of anybody else's life.

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Hot Topics / Re: Paleo vs Vegan
« on: March 13, 2015, 07:24:20 am »
Oh. thanks for the info.  I need to fatten up my 13 year old then. Abs are showing.

Genetic tendencies play a role in children's body composition. Some are naturally quite lean and muscular. One of my sons was so lean - about 7% - that he couldn't be on the swim team in the winter because he'd turn blue and shiver during winter practices. He never developed a layer of subcutaneous fat like most swimmers do. He had a six-pack since childhood. At 35 today, he is still naturally lean. He is very active and athletic, so I won't say he gets his muscle definition without any effort, but his efforts are recreational only, not fitness-goal oriented.

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"Common sense" in North Korea is not at all a common sense here.

Never mind North Korea; every good Korean mother has a special amount of common sense, and it grows to infinite amounts as she gets older. Every ethnic group has its own incriminating and hilarious mother stories, but the funniest and most bizarre ones are from Koreans.

For example, my ethnic mother said you don't let a cat get near a baby in a cradle because the cat will suck the air out of the baby. Hmmm, okay, that could happen. Logic: a cat can inhale with its lungs;  cats are attracted to milk smells in babies' mouths.

The Korean mother says don't sleep with a fan running in the room without the windows opened because otherwise the fan can suck the air out of the room and you'll suffocate and die. Not a speck of logic there. The logic jar's been scraped empty and washed out, or I'd offer you some.

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Science / Re: More evidence re Palaeolithic tool-use in Africa
« on: March 13, 2015, 03:20:22 am »
Cool find.

When I ponder the question "What makes us human?" I personally believe that relentless invention of tools is foremost. My own observation is that children imitate tool usage well before they are one year of age, and start making their own purposeful tools before they are four or five.

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The fact remains that many problems with toxins in animal flesh arise from species-inappropriate feeding. For instance, in the US, grain fed cattle develop highly acidic stomach contents, which encourage toxic bacteria to flourish in the flesh, resulting in a high occurrence of E. coli in grain-fed beef. Similarly, farm-raised salmon develop skin lesions and harbor parasites more commonly.

But I still disagree that "common sense" have to be shared by  ALL people, In reality, common sense only shared by a group, small or large,    by the circle who share same or similar rational, philosophes, or ideology, etc.

P.S. Yes, common means "shared by the whole group," but the connotation is that it means "anybody." You are using a special connotation ("only shared by a group, small or large, by the circle who share same or similar rational, philosophes, or ideology, etc.").

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"Common sense" in North Korea is not at all a common sense here.

The word you mean here is custom, since sense denotes "a feeling that something is the case," so it does not arise from custom.

(Geesh, I wonder how many people have figured out that I teach American English grammar and composition? LOL)

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I didn't see you mention this important point, and I hope you will forgive me if I'm offering unwanted advice.

In his book the Omivore's Dilemma, author/researcher Michael Pollen explains the difference between animal foods from naturally-fed livestock and livestock fed a species-inappropriate diet, (such as feeding corn and soybeans to beef).

It is very important to eat food from animals that have been fed their natural diet in a natural manner and season for their entire lives. Otherwise, you will be ingesting the stress that the animal endured during it's period of sub-optimal feeding.




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Health / Re: Starting to eat raw meat, need advice on storage, etc..
« on: March 11, 2015, 09:12:47 pm »
...green stones were passed through his stool, anyone know what they are?
Blobs of bile. Normal.

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Off Topic / Re: Homemade soap
« on: March 07, 2015, 09:43:19 am »
If you want to make your own soap, find a recipe and directions online for soapmaking. Basically, you take some lye (dangerous, use caution), mix it with solid or liquid fats. The proportions and exact directions would be on the recipe you find online. I did this for an 11th-grade science project. You get ivory soap, so to speak.

Unless you really want to do the chemistry project, why not use a soap with no additives? Dr. Bronners (saponified fats) and Charlie's Soap (surfactant only) are examples that you can look up and see if you like their ingredients.

You can't use a sudsing soap in a washing machine or dishwasher. If you do, you'll get suds all over the house.

Don't expect your laundry to end up all fluffy. In a hard water area, your towels will end up kinda cardboard-y. Your family won't like it, I reckon.

The no-soap alternatives are (1) take clothes to the river and beat them on the rocks, (2) vinegar is a good cleaner, but I've never used it on the laundry.

I always have tons of leftover animal fat. I was thinking about making my own soap, but it seems like a hassle. I use the fat for awesome tallow lamps. Adding a wick is much easier than making soap.

P.S. If you are getting soap film in your dishwasher, you are not using the correct dish washing detergent for the water hardness in your area.

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Health / Re: Starting to eat raw meat, need advice on storage, etc..
« on: March 07, 2015, 02:12:18 am »
You don't have to do anything to make your body cleanse itself. Every cell in you body carries on cleansing processes 24/7. If you stop ingesting toxins, the cleansing processes can catch up with your historical mistakes. Cleanses work by overstimulating the bowels. They are harmful to the lining of your intestines. They always reminded us that cleansing is the opposite of nourishing. I'd hate to interrupt the good work that my colon is doing for me by irritating it so that it is forced to defend itself against your assaults.

Did you go to the doctor and get the parasite medicine that TD suggested? What kind of worms were found?

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Off Topic / Re: Oldest woman liked mackerel sushi above all else
« on: March 07, 2015, 01:25:25 am »
I was hoping we all find a way to be 120 years old and yet look like 50 year olds.

Why?

And why (arbitrarily) 50? Our appearance changes yearly during our lives. Would you have the apple be forever green and never ripen into its delicious sweetness?

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Off Topic / Re: More proof that alcohol is palaeo
« on: March 07, 2015, 01:16:30 am »
There's a huge difference between finding incidents of an event and finding evidence of its regularity. Drunken elephants and squirrels and deer can occur without leading to a conclusion that alcohol consumption was common and beneficial. Pigeons electrocute themselves on city electrical high-wires, too... so what? You know that alcohol as a beverage for humans did not originate in the paleolithic era.

Hey, you can find racially-segregated US communities, but that does not prove that the US is a racially-segregated country. Got that?


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Primal Diet / Re: Are you sure that dairy isn't paleo?
« on: March 06, 2015, 01:53:04 pm »
Back in the early days of warnings against cows milk (in the last half of the twentieth century), the bone health of milk drinkers was compared to the bone health of cultures that do not drink milk. In examining the diet of the non-milk drinkers, calcium was found to be supplied by vegetables and seeds. Despite the fact that a milk-drinkers diet has an abundance of calcium, bone health is better is populations who get less calcium from plant sources.

Bottom line: if you avoid the unbalanced calcium in milk, bone health is easier to maintain with less daily calcium.

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Off Topic / Re: Oldest woman liked mackerel sushi above all else
« on: March 06, 2015, 04:17:50 am »
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[from the article cited] She married almost a century ago and has been a widow for more than 80 years.

There's her real secret of longevity!

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Primal Diet / Re: Are you sure that dairy isn't paleo?
« on: March 05, 2015, 03:38:55 pm »
Cattle or sheep or oysters are not specifically designed to feed raw paleo people. Yes? No?

Curious question. In terms of what each species is designed for: each species is designed to reproduce its own kind. Collaterally, carnivorous and omnivorous species eat the flesh of other species. That's way off the logic behind each species' milk being specifically designed for its offspring. TD is talking about mammalian milk being designed to meet the growth needs of its own species. For example, a fast growing small animal's milk would have less calcium than a fast growing large animal's milk. Human milk is designed for slow growing humans and is nowhere near approximated by bovine milk.

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You guys *think* that most muslims are as secular islamic like the Turkish model.

You bet I *think* that! I can see that in the US with my own eyes. What do you think is going to happen? will some ayatollah send a signal beamed to all the mosques around the world, telling all of "them" to rise up against "us"??? That's paranoia!! You have a good-sized Muslim population in the Philippines. Are they part of the plot?

From where I stand, it's the unwelcoming Europeans who are the problem with Islamic immigrants. We have places like that here within the US, where people try to feel better about themselves by trashing someone else. It doesn't take much to be nice to someone... geesh! I feel like I'm teaching the Golden Rule to a kindergarten child. I'm not finding fault, either - asking a country to be assimilative when they don't have practice at it is not realistic. Even new immigrants call me an American, even though my family was immigrated not long ago.


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Watch and see how many European countries will become majority Islamic in 2 or more decades.  It is inevitable, post christian zero religion is a vaccuum with seculars not reproducing, sunk with abortion, contraception, feminism, homosexuality... key principles post christian political leaders embrace so much for their population reduction policies.

Well, then, from an indiscriminately-reproducing, anti-abortion, oppress-the-women, homophobic point of view, Islam should be a breeze of fresh air.

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...in 2003 i named my own 2nd boy "Moses Ishmael"... a Christian Name and a Muslim Name.  His nickname is Mish.  I figured if the Muslims win out in the future, he should go by the name Ishmael.  We must be like the bamboo and bend where the wind blows.

Moses is an Egyptian or Hebrew name. According to tradition, he was named Moses by the Egyptian Pharaoh's daughter, who found him in a river, where he was placed by his mother to spare his life when it was decreed by the Pharaoh that all Hebrew first-born sons should be killed. He was a lead figure in the scriptural history of the Hebrew people in antiquity, estimated to be a few millenia before the lifetime of the lead figure of the Christian religion.

Actually, one Hebrew name and one Islamic name is better, but Abraham would have been a better match with Ishmael because they were half brothers, each one of whom was decreed by God to be a future father of a great nation. Moses' era was much later than Abraham and Ishmael, according to scriptures that contain their histories.








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Primal Diet / Re: Are you sure that dairy isn't paleo?
« on: March 05, 2015, 10:24:55 am »
I've never observed a child who does not wean - and I'm sure there are uncommon exceptions - so it is hard to envision adults drinking human milk as a culinary habit. I don't think the milk becomes "disgusting" but that the instinct to suckle disappears.

Milk is a convenient food that the herder doesn't have to carry. He can herd his animals for days and have a supply of food. Also, drinking the milk of their herds seems logical in terms of utilizing every part of the animal.


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General Discussion / Re: How are you able to substain this?
« on: March 05, 2015, 03:57:46 am »
I'll remain 100% skeptical until I see some parallel process for fruits and vegetables in a modern hunter-gatherer population. All I see in these paleo carry-overs are meats and fish stored in paleo-ish containment.

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Primal Diet / Re: Stone pressed olive oil versus "mechanical" pressed?
« on: March 05, 2015, 03:50:33 am »
In a large city like mine, raw olives can be bought at the ethnic markets of any Mediterranean country. If you live in an olive-growing region, olives are ready approximately from late summer to early fall.

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Primal Diet / Re: Are you sure that dairy isn't paleo?
« on: March 05, 2015, 03:48:26 am »
How are you defining paleo? What sort of evidence are you using to place your theory into the paleolithic era?

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General Discussion / Re: How are you able to substain this?
« on: March 05, 2015, 02:06:27 am »
Why does it have to be air-tight? Any container would do for the fermentation process, wouldn't it?

Depends on the microbe that causes the fermentation - some are aerobic, some anaerobic.

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Any container would do for the fermentation process, wouldn't it?

I use canning jars in my kitchen. They are not paleo. In artifacts from the actual paleolithic era, containers have not been found.

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And, wouldn't paleo people have learned to produce wine from fruits or starchy vegetables such as wild potatoes, or even more easily, mead from honey?

How can you "produce" wine when you have no vessel? Try it and get back to us.  >D

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Primal Diet / Re: Stone pressed olive oil versus "mechanical" pressed?
« on: March 05, 2015, 01:48:17 am »
Mechanical means something was used to press the olives. Presses can be stone, metal, wood. At industrial capacity, presses and their contents can get hot.

Extraction is a more general word. Chemical solvents can indeed be used to extract oils.

Both methods lead to an oil that turns rancid quickly. You can grind/press your own olive oil. My neighbors from Morocco do that in a contraption that looks like a manual coffee grinder with a spout.

Best of all, olives can be eaten whole, while still containing the oil. While you chew them, your taste buds inform your stomach that it is about to digest an olive.

You can see pictures online of all of this if you google olive oil press. Also, search this forum for the many good threads about olives.

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General Discussion / Re: How are you able to substain this?
« on: March 05, 2015, 01:39:45 am »
One of the paleo/not-paleo concepts is based on the fact that watertight vessels were not yet invented. So, while vinegar and alcohol are a natural by-product of the decomposition of plant foods, having a bottle of deliberately made vinegar or alcohol is not something that our ancestors could do.

So, in the case of ACV, it would be available in the rotting fruit for a short period after the apple fell ripe from the tree. You could pick up an apple and ingest a vinegar-y fruit. If you wanted to eat as our ancestors ate, you would not be marinating your meat or vegetables in bottled vinegar.

However, if you wanted to eat ancestral-type foods processed with modern methods, you can splash ACV all over your plate. Heck, you could even bake a batch of paleo chocolate chip cookies and serve them with paleo cheesecake and paleo ice cream. It would be your personal and informed decision.

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Personals / Re: Project Raw Paleo Footage
« on: March 04, 2015, 06:32:16 am »
More feedback: Part 7 (innards) - Watch your light source (sun direction) so that you aren't showing us something that is in YOUR shadow, as happened with the liver.

Part 8 (hack saw) - add narration or annotations to say what you are cutting (flank, loin). Now I'm nitpicking - anyone who is actually going to cut up a lamb isn't going to be that ignorant, but I had to say it anyway. Once I get started, there's no stopping me. l)

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You are forgetting the mass slaughter the Arabs carried out against Byzantium, Ancient Persia(Sassanids), Spain and even up to Tours in France. The Crusades were very minor by comparison to all that.

That's my point - it's not starting in the 21st Century. It has been ever so. I hope that it will not be ever so, but I'm not optimistic. I'm not outraged when an opponent is aggressive because the aggression resides in mankind, not in the opponent.

At the same time, I recognize that the aggression is not in the individual. My neighbors are Muslims among many in my city. My granddaughter plays with their children. I don't see an immigration problem with Muslims.

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