William,

That gives me a lot to experiment with.  I'm going to add drying the beef in addition to aging it this week.  And doing the same with buffalo.  Grass-fed is fairly easy for me to get here, although wild game besides buffalo isn't.  I've noticed some online places with wild game, though.

It will be interesting to see if one of them works.  I am hoping beyond hope.

Ah, okay.  I just looked up tallow and it liquefies at 40C, which puts it at exactly at 104 degrees.  All the fats are different, though, so it would depend on which one I can eventually eat.

Thank you.  I'll definitely keep that in mind.  I hadn't thought of the fat possibly going into the cooking range.

I do have another question.  My mother-in-law is insisting i need to soak raw meat in water with a few drops of iodine for 10 minutes before eating it raw to kill the bacteria on the outside without cooking it.

Would the iodine soak into the meat and kill the good bacteria inside?

Is dehydrating considered cooking?  It seems to me that if you are eating jerky, you need to be munching on a blob of fat, too? 70 percent fat to 30 percent protein is what I'm aiming for.

Wow, so many replies since I went to bed last night!

Ioanna:

I'll try aging the meat and see how it goes.  In Colorado, it is fairly easy to find completely grass fed bison and beef, so I'll begin with that.  Do you know what about dehydrating the meat bothers you?  Maybe just the lack of water makes it harder to digest?

I really do doubt the theory of Native Americans needing to only eat things native to America because if it were true, there would be a lot of Native Americans allergic to those European meats, too, and I haven't heard of any of them being in that situation.

RawZi:

Aging meat helped you as well?  I definitely must try it.  As far as the fats, I had much rather get animal fats to use.  I haven't found a way to get those fats around where I live, but I haven't really looked, either.  I assumed since deer was illegal to sell, I probably couldn't find any other wild meats and fats to buy.  **Note**  I just did a little research and apparently wild game sales restrictions are state by state, so perhaps I can find it in some states.  I didn't know that.

djr_81:

Before I knew the meat allergies were making me so sick, and I was still eating it, I probably got a 50/50 percent of grass to grain fed.  Whole foods is in the next town over, in Boulder, so I would get my grass fed meats there and from an organic farm, but during the holes between, I would get them from a grocery store.  I'm going to try some grass fed aged beef to see what happens.

My meat-only idea sort of began over time.  I haven't eaten starchy foods in years because of an insulin issue, and I've never eaten sweets. I  just don't have the appetite for them, nor do I like the way they make me feel.  As I was cutting more and more out, a friend told me I was basically doing Atkins induction, so I read up on that and did it for about two weeks.

I started cutting out even more carbs and felt better, but I was still using butter and coconut oil for the fats because I couldn't get enough fats from the meat.  

At that point, everyone was telling me how unhealthy this was for me, and my extended family disapproved very much and let me know I was setting a bad example for my kids, but how can something that makes you feel so much better be unhealthy?

Then I started wondering if anyone can live on meat-only.  Until I googled it a few weeks ago, I had never heard of the concept in any context except it being unhealthy.  I was very surprised to find so many people doing it.  

Almost everything I read was from www.zeroinginonhealth.com, and there were so many stories of health improvement.  Some of the people there eat pemmican only, and I had intended to do that for the first month using turkey, but didn't know if turkey would work or not.  I had hoped to join the forum to ask advice of the experienced people.

This is the answer I received:

"Hi, Sherri.  Thanks for your responses.

From reading your answers, it's quite clear that you do not fit our qualifications for membership in our forum.  The fact that you have allergies to the very meats that we eat makes this even more difficult.  I realize you have questions and I'm sure they are very good questions but this is not a road that we wish to travel.  

ZC is not something that we wish to talk you into.  ZC is something that people are encouraged to try and once their health improves, ZC sells itself.  We're not in the business of converting others through scientific banter and the like.  Sure, we do examine studies and look at different sources, but it's not so much for the purpose of convincing and converting others.  We offer a simple message and encourage others to try it.  If it works, then well and we like to continue that journey with the person.  If not, we encourage them to move on with our best wishes.

So from what you've written, this would not work.  I wish you well working out your health issues and you're certainly encouraged to read as a guest and hopefully you can find many of the answers to your questions because I'm sure they've been asked and answered.

Best regards,"


I'm not sure why he thought he'd need to talk me into it or that I was wanting to debate anything.  I had already decided to do it, but after reading the letter, I had doubts of whether it would be possible at all.  Maybe some people have a fear of people arguing with them and become paranoid about it?  I went over my application several times to see exactly what sentence gave him the idea I wanted to argue theories, but couldn't find anything.

I am okay with eating raw meat, but i must admit I didn't know you COULD safely eat raw meat until yesterday.  When I read "Raw Paleo" I thought it meant something like 'strict' or "down-n-dirty dedicated". I didn't know you literally meant raw until after I had posted and read a few other posts. (Okay, I'm an idiot)

I just want to be healthy.  If raw does it, I'm all for it.  I need to find out how to safely do it.  I also need to solve my fat problem, but if I can eat aged beef or buffalo, it would be solved.

I do love the organ meats.  My father always made us eat all the parts of the animals he killed, but it was cooked.  

ForTheHunt:

I only know what the allergy tests showed.  My blood reacts to it, and supposedly it was all grass fed meats in order to keep it as pure as possible.  When I developed whole body shakes, we thought I might have developed early Parkinsons and paid $20,000 to see a doctor in New York. I had read a book of his and felt he was more up to date on research than all the other quack traditional doctors I had been seeing.  So, I took his word on having the allergies, and when I stopped eating the meats, I stopped with the stomach burning, the cerebral swelling and the shakes after a few months.  Now, if I accidentally get some, it isn't enough to cause the brain swelling or the shakes; I need to eat those meats over time to get to that point.

I don't know a lot about chrons.  I'll check into it, though.  I never discount anything.

Ioanna, are you allergic to any other meats?  It sounds like beef isn't a problem for you anymore?  Did it go away after time?  Sorry to ask so many question.  I'm feeling nosy, now.


A friend once suggested to me that he felt I should eat things native to America, since I am of Native American descent.  (Though my people drifted off from the Trail of Tears and settled in Arkansas and were never on a reservation.)  He seemed to think that since cows, chickens and domesticated pigs weren't here 500 years ago, I shouldn't eat them anyway, and he has also encouraged me to try wild game.  Turkey is native to America, as well as fish.

I'm not sure I believe his reasoning, though.  

Hello, wodgina,

Yes, I only know of one other person with a beef allergy.  I am allergic to pork, beef, chicken, shellfish and most saltwater fish.  I can eat turkey, some saltwater and most all freshwater fish.

With all the meats except pork, if feels like the inside skin of my stomach, and later, my intestines are burning.  When I accidentally get any of those meats, I do a saltwater cleanse the next morning that pushes everything through my intestines, and the salt helps it to heal, so I don't go through days of burning.

With pork, I go into tachycardia, and my heartbeat goes too fast and irregular.  I usually end up in a hospital.  I feel that maybe one day the other allergies might go away, because with other food allergies, they are not always for life. Plus, I keep reading how people are restoring their health with a totally meat diet, and had a few hopes I could get rid of at least one allergy.  I can't eat grains, onions, and tomatoes, either.

With pork, though, I'll never try eating it again to find out.  I'll just do without it.  With the other meats, I'll still try them out once a year and hope.  It hurts, but it isn't life threatening.

I was told it is usually a protein in a food that causes a reaction. My allergy tests were done with proteins, and several different types of tests were used and then compared.  However, I once got some pork lard mixed in refried beans and ended up in the hospital, so apparently even the fat bothers me.  I had gotten accustomed to buying refried beans with olive oil, the very few times I ate beans over the previous year, and didn't realize it was ever made with pork lard.

I must research the tick idea.  Thanks for passing it along.  Do you know if there was a cure for that particular tick bite?  I am in America, in Colorado, but we definitely do have ticks now and then, though not like Arkansas where I grew up.  We got ticks there everytime we went camping, which was all summer, every summer!

Hello to you all.  I'm new to this forum.

A few weeks ago, I decided to go zero carb because I'm hoping to get rid of some health problems.  I found a good site that explained so much and I devoured it all, and then tried to join their forum.

I was refused.  The reason given was that I'm allergic to some meats and that this diet wouldn't be do-able for me.  Also, the comment was made that they aren't there to talk me into doing the diet and aren't open for debate on scientific data.  I'm confused about that one, since I've been convinced for several weeks that going zero carb is the best thing anyone can do.  I'm not even sure if my application was read through.  Maybe the meat allergies was the main show stopper.

Anyway, I felt I could do it eating the two meats I'm not allergic to:  turkey and fish.

Someone very kindly gave me the recipe for chicken pemmican made with coconut oil that I could switch for turkey meat instead, in order to get the right ratio of protein to fats.  Someone else suggested I find rendered turkey fat and use that instead of the coconut oil, and I thought that was a great idea, too.

Someone else gave me the idea of cooking a whole turkey, making an all meat 'gravy' out of all the 'innards' by dehydrating them, blending them to dry powder and put into turkey broth and turkey fat, and eating a little of the gravy every time I ate some of the meat to add more nutrients.

Someone else gave me the idea of eating sardines because I would get bones and all the rest, and eating all of the fish whenever I could get whole fish.

I got so many great ideas for my limited circumstance that I was greatly encouraged and excited to do this.  I've been hoping I can find something that heals a lot of my ailments, the food allergies especially.  After a few years, I was hoping beef would be possible for me again.

But now, I'm a bit deflated.  I am not experienced at this, and someone very experienced, who's posts I've admired very much for their knowledge, is telling me I probably can't do it.

Should I try it, or is limiting myself to two meats not going to work?

I would greatly appreciate opinions.  Its a big thing to make this decision and ask my family to support it, if it is a failure from the start.