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Off Topic / Re: The myth of the Noble Savage....
« on: December 03, 2019, 03:23:29 am »
Most of this article is hippie-communist nonsense, not a surprise coming from the guardian.

The main reason why we shouldn't necessarily assume their current customs and behaviors were the same as our predecessors, is that our predecessors became us, while their predecessors became them.

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Raw Weston Price / Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
« on: December 03, 2019, 03:14:50 am »
Vegans can often be lower-middle-class and male.

They can be, but most of them are not.

There is a "thing" called a "hipster" which is a vegan, woke male with a finely-tuned beard, they are , sadly, very common over here.  Also, vegans often eat very nasty, highly-processed meat-substitutes, which are even worse than most modern fast-foods.

Not sure about Austria or the UK, but I'm pretty sure that "hipster" implies upper middle class in the US. In any case, some vegans eat that way, most only eat that way on occasion, and their diets can still be healthier than some of the lower classes. Also, and most importantly, most vegans haven't been vegan their whole life. They started up with good nutrition (by comparative standards to the rest of modern society) for the first 15-20 years of their life, before deciding to become vegan. All of the essential nutrients required for brain development were likely acquired by then, and as much as they can screw up their diet afterwards, it's more a matter of maintenance than building.

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Raw Weston Price / Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
« on: December 03, 2019, 03:02:01 am »
Errm, unless you can prove that vegans are more likely to commit crimes, this makes no sense.

Vegans are overwhelmingly white, upper middle class and female. These 3 categories *separatedly* commit crime at a rate that is around 10-15% of that which the rest of the population has. Combine all 3, and you've got a group that should be committing less than 1% as many crimes as the rest of the population.

Also, vegans are not necessarily the most malnourished or even the most cholesterol deficient, plenty of non-vegans have a less nutritious diet than vegans do; and there is no reason to assume that only malnourishment is what leads to crime, nor that cholesterol deficiency is what leads to crime. If anything, it is a factor among many. It doesn't mean it's not true, however.

I dont disagree with this prognosis, yet perhaps the periodic cycles of tyranny, chaos, and megadeaths are in someway necessary to winnow out the overgrowth and dead wood from the species, so that out of this struggle between the individual and the collective a more robust and dynamic humanity will evolve.

Except that during such scenarios, it's not necessarily the strong, the healthy, the smart and the good that survive and reproduce. Often it is the weak, the sick, the dumb and the evil.

Err, I do NOT agree that war  always weeds out the worst. For one thing, WW1 for England was voluntary at first, so that all the bravest men went to war, while the cowards stayed at home and saved their own lives for a time, until forced consscription came up. Even then, the wiliest cowards would take on jobs like quartermaster etc. in order to avoid fighting on the front-lines. Indeed, there's a theory that ww1 and ww2 acted like a major dysgenics programme on some of the human race.

Agreed.

All one has to do is look at which continents WW1 and WW2 were mostly fought in.

While I concur that locally, there was likely a disgenic effect from these conflicts (except in some cases); globally there was clearly a massive disgenic effect.

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Raw Weston Price / Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
« on: December 02, 2019, 05:57:18 am »
I wouldn't refer to it as a plan, machinated by some sort of evil mastermind....Both the (rich and poor), (saint and whore) are in many ways at the mercy of these cosmic whims.....humancentric worldviews tend to look for ways to blame and scapegoat fellow beings for our shared predicaments...we tend to anthropomorphize the flow of cosmic change into demons and divinities....but, instead of judging these things personally, there are more impersonal forces at play which shape the all too human dynamics. Just as the hive insects mutually agreed to subvert their sexual individuality in exchange for the security and honey provided by their society, so are hive human also abandoning gender and familial roles in order to join the greater hive structure being constructed. Its not just the case that families are being destroyed, the entire family construct is being spirited away from the nuclear matter/patter/offspring model, and moved more toward these hive super societal structures, where regardless whatever ways people manage to reproduce, the offspring will be brought into a collective, where they will be conditioned from an early age to identify more with the superstructure itself rather than individuals who acted as the biological parents.

In strange ways these new superstructures are self regulating organisms that are evolving as well as seeking some fashion of homeostasis. Personally I feel saddened by the loss of the more primal ways of living within the old family structures. There is a deeply tragic feeling of nostalgia and a disheartening sense that this brave new world does not give a damn for such sentimentalism. Despite such fatalistic cynicism here we are, and at least for the time being certain sections of the population who hold on to the old ways, will still be able to live and reproduce in accordance to their natural drives. Even from within the heart of Mordor this invisible hand guided by impersonal forces will continue to cultivate such heirloom people, who are able to live, love, and transcend the forces of tyranny.

There may indeed be a method to the shuffling madness, and it will forever take all kinds to make a world. Given enough time and "progress" such thoughts, sentiments and views will likely be banished to obsolete obscurity..... but just perhaps in case Babylon fails to bring forth a stabilized hive humanity, out of the ruins the survivors still endowed with the antiquated relics of this primal spirit, will be able to reincarnate the form of humanity needed to carry us on to whatever destiny awaits.

Hive insects in a colony are all siblings in a big family, and their genes have evolved over millions of generations to sustain a hive structure.

Humans can to an extent act like a hive with respect to their family (only to an extent), but when you try to apply that method of social interaction to a whole society of thousands or worse yet, millions of people, what you get is communism, which is public slavery, and inevitably leads to tyranny, chaos and the megadeaths.

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Raw Weston Price / Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
« on: December 01, 2019, 06:45:10 pm »
In these modern dominance hierarchies Alpha Male traits are extremely suppressed by the powers that be, much in the same way the Alpha wolf enforces submissiveness among the betas. This leads to a huge void of masculinity throughout large populations. The men become incrementally more feminized.... as this lack of masculinity triggers females, who naturally seek masculinity to become more masculine in order to fill the void ( much in the same way amphibians will alter gender expression) The larger and more hierarchical the society is the more these tendencies toward a "de-gendering" non reproductive sexuality seems to manifest.

There is a well structured plan which among other things, seeks to psychologically castrate and feminize men, while simultaneously masculinizing and whoring women. Along with other factors, this leads to a destruction of the family unit, which is the basis of civilization. Without families, there can be only tyranny and chaos.

Bear in mind that Weston-Price was a man of his times. For example, he also suggested that criminals became criminals because of poor nutrition. This does not make much sense, though. After all, the biggest, most successful criminals in society bare white-collar ones, who, due to their wealth, usually manage to buy their way out of trouble/being convicted etc. I mean, Tony Blair is one of the biggest crooks alive, but he does not seem that malnourished compared to the rest of the population.

Again, you are missing the forest for the trees. Yes there are some smart criminals, but on average, criminals are much, much dumber than average. Poor nutrition impairs brain development.

As regards homosexuality, I see it more as another way of  social bonding rather than sex, as no children are involved(well not between the 2 relevant individuals, anyway).

This way of social bonding strongly stifles or prevents the forming of families and procreation. As such it is the opposite of God's plan, and to promote it is actually doing Satan's work, whether one knows it or not.

Also, there is a spectrum for many things, so rich people cannot exist without there being poor people, and so on.

That depends entirely on how you define the terms. Also, without giving some sort of explanation as to the mechanism or relationship between the rich and poor, you are failing to make an argument of substance.

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Raw Weston Price / Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
« on: December 01, 2019, 08:30:33 am »
Tyler:

All the ancient examples of rampant deviancy come from societies that were degenerating due to the installment of mob rule to a certain extent, which is what we have today, but we have a much more drastic version than any of them had. And all of them collapsed miserably.

Like the Bible says, this is a sin, and sinners should repent. When the whole society accepts this behavior as normal and healthy and even promotes it and encourages it, or worse yet, it condems the natural and normal behaviors... Well, you get utter and total destruction, because that society is lost.

Nowadays there is more destructive power than ever before in the hands of the degenerates, by several orders of magnitude, so the times we have in front of us are dark and dangerous. The light ultimately prevailed in the past, but this time, I'm not sure.

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Raw Weston Price / Re: Where does he mention homosexuality
« on: November 29, 2019, 08:10:59 pm »
Recently, they did a large study to determine the cause of sexual behaviour and find a "gay-gene": https://geneticsexbehavior.info/ https://geneticsexbehavior.info/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ganna190830.pdf. They concluded that there is no such thing. My guess is that indeed, nutrition plays a main role, but there are for sure other factors like Tyler mentioned. You can´t blame everything on nutrition. Even in nature there are examples of gay animals. Did they eat soy? I doubt it. Still, I think that nutrition is a very important factor that one should not miss. I know at least 2 people that were fed soy milk when they were babies, and they turned out to be gay.

The whole idea of finding an "X gene" that every person with X has, and every person without the gene doesn't have X, is quite dumb. Very few genes work like this. Rather, genes work synergistically and combine with each other to create all sorts of different possibilities.

Diseases are caused either by defective genes, or by toxicity accumulation, poor nutrition/lifestyle, or by artificial experience that teaches someone to go against their very nature; or by a combination or sequence of any or all of the above: For example, toxicity buildup can damage genes. Mental disorders can cause someone to poison themselves with drugs and chemicals. Damaged genes can also predispose someone to a mental disorder; etc.

If one were to be able to understand all there is to know about how genes combine to form particular individuals, I suspect we'd be able to tell which people with which genes have much higher or much lower chances of becoming gay.

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RE: Tyler, the testosterone idea is incomplete, as this only applies to men who become gay because they feel more like women than men, but it does not encompass all gay men, such as those that become gay because they feel more manly by dominating boys instead of girls. All of that said, on average, and because a large proportion of gay men are of the first type, gay men have much lower testosterone than non-gay men.

How about this idea?
Genetic statistics show we are descended from a ratio of 1 male having children with 5 females.

Therefore plenty of males are not chosen for the job.

Maybe being a reproductive male is a sort of pinnacle of biology?

There is the theory that in H-G tribes/bands, weak or low status men only pretend to be gay so they will be trusted by the alphas to protect the females when they're not around; and in doing so have their only chance at reproduction.

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Hot Topics / Re: Vegan couple drove son to death
« on: November 27, 2019, 11:18:04 pm »
On the raw, palaeolithic diet front, when that courageous  raw-meat-eating Southern(?) couple went on that Wifeswap TV series, switching with that black, urban,  middle-class couple, the moronic public went hysterical and some utter sadists tried to get the police to arrest the white parents  for child abuse, but the local police pointed out at the time that  the children, fed on a raw-meat/raw milk diet were actually very healthy, so there was no reason to denounce them.

This is good, however due to bad genetics, toxicity buildup from prior unhealthy lifestyles, damage from medications or other medical procedures, etc, it could happen that they weren't healthy. Or they could be in an accident and die, and get their deaths blamed on diet and lifestyle somehow.

Or worse, they could be healthy but the gov agents can claim they aren't.

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Hot Topics / Re: Vegan couple drove son to death
« on: November 27, 2019, 09:39:46 pm »
The problem I have with this is, babies die all the time, there's no way to know if it was a particular diet or raising environment that caused it, or if the parents were just unlucky. To punish parents based on such a development is result-oriented, even if I personally believe that a vegan diet is quite unhealthy. Lots of other things are unhealthy too, but they don't put people in jail for that, nor should they.

If this had been a couple of poor, black drug addicts, instead of being upper middle class whites, and fed the baby an even less nutritious vegan diet of only sugar, vegetable oil and wheat flour-based products, they wouldn't have faced charges for this.

Clearly, something can't be a crime or not based on how much money you have, what race you belong to, or what belief system you hold.

What's more, if the State gets to do this in this case, then they can do the same or even worse in any number of cases where they determine, at their sole discretion, what sort of diet or lifestyle is the one you should use to raise your kids. At that point then your kids are no longer yours, they belong to the State. That is a very dangerous situation. Imagine that some vegan activists grab a hold of the State apparatus after that, what will happen to everyone else who believes vegan diets are not good for their kids?

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Hot Topics / WHO forced to admit more polio from vaccines than wild virus
« on: November 27, 2019, 09:30:38 pm »
Shocking acknowledgement from the WHO re: African countries

 https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/polio-cases-now-caused-vaccine-wild-virus-67287290

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Ahh, the great UK, where stealing a bicycle gets you a £25 fine, and bringing your own food to eat in public gets you a £600 fine because somebody didn't like to see you eating it.

PS: Did anyone else found it hilarious how that pathetic woman was telling sv3 that he was "upsetting" her mentally challenged, clearly psychopathic "son"?

PS2: sv3 and his friend did leave following that incident, so what the court claimed about them being unwilling to leave when "asked" isn't true.

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1fPUlsSe0Y ----> Stealing is not a problem in the UK

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I wonder how much of this has to do with pesticides, herbicides and damaged genetics in the foods from transgenics and the like.

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Off Topic / Re: Vegans and others appropriating the raw palaeo label
« on: April 05, 2019, 03:01:06 am »
Well the first search result for raw paleo is for a peanut-based protein bar

Funny, since peanuts are rarely if ever eaten raw, due to fear of a toxic fungus as well as a strong unpleasant flavor, and I would bet those are nowhere near raw.

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We don't know if it was the parasites that killed him or if the parasites were eating toxic parts of his body and then he died.

Also, there is no reason to expect this to happen to paleo / primal dieters with any degree of likelihood, as the cases are minimal if they exist at all.

Chances are he was a cooked food eater, and likely not the best kinds of cooked food.

Plenty of studies have used tapeworms and other intestinal parasites both in humans and other animals, to treat several illnesses with great success.

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Off Topic / Re: COURT BATTLE TO REMOVE TOXIC AIR FROM FLIGHTS
« on: March 29, 2019, 08:32:07 am »
Hopefully they will win.

It's really not the way because being fair, if the flight workers don't like the air they can quit, but for passengers, we have no other choice but to use air travel for international trips, as other means of transport have all but been made illegal, to funnel all traffic through airports, where governments can exercise better control.

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Hot Topics / Re: Plastic bottles topic
« on: March 28, 2019, 10:43:57 am »
I suppose you've also stopped making high meat in plastic containers?

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Primal Diet / Re: Constipation
« on: March 08, 2019, 09:29:27 pm »
Just equivocation as chewing is not the same as juicing.


It's about the same if you discard the pulp after pressing and drinking the juice.

Besides, non-herbivores have no reason to chew plant foods.They simply don't have all the teeth necessary for thet.

Nonsense, I can chew plenty of plant foods easily even though my my teeth and gums are far from being in optimal health condition.

GCB was not perfect and did indeed recommend sweet fruits himself and even recommend against raw meats at one time, but his actual Instincto philosophy of eating only via taste/instinct is correct.

He arbitrarly claims some foods are non initial even though similar versions would've existed in the wild, and supports others that wouldn't have. And again, the whole notion that humans in the wild would have a whole buffet of hundreds of wildly different foods that grow in entirely different seasons and climates to choose from, at every single moment of every single day, 365 days a year, and that our instincts would be geared towards optimally consuming such foods, is ludicrous.

The claim re people eventually only eating raw sweet fruits is nonsense

I didn't say only sweet fruits. I said very high amounts. Go in the wild and tell me how many supersweet, mostly seedless, ripe fruits you find, and how many months a year does that happen and in what amounts you find them.

OH, and I stillf ar prefer the taste of raw fruit juices than any raw veggie-juices, even things like cucumber etc.(I have tried a large number of variations over time).

Of course you do, and it's still completely unnatural.

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Primal Diet / Re: Constipation
« on: March 08, 2019, 06:59:45 am »
GCB in his wisdom banned raw veggie juice in the first place as juicing is a process and he only recommended unprocessed foods. GCB was nothing like AV, imo.

He was full of contradictions, claiming for instance that chewing a vegetable, drinking the juice and discarding the pulp was somehow unnatural, even though plenty of people have the natural instinct to do just that.

He was also unaware that our instincts were developed for a completely different set of circumstances, one where food wasn't as widely available and where the choice wasn't just to eat one thing or another as a wealthy person, but whether to eat at all or not. He also fails to recognize that super sweet fruit is very rare in nature, and even mildly sweet fruit is only available seasonally, except in the tropics and up the trees where monkeys and birds and squirrels and bats get it far before we are able to. He also fails to recognize that shipping fruit from all over the world, all year round, to your doorstep anytime you want by just pressing a button, is completely unnatural also.

If you follow GCB's philosophy entirely, like AV warned, you will find yourself eating larger and larger amounts of highly sweet fruit, which is completely unnatural and doesn't lead to long-term health.

In any case, what I meant is that in your juice experiment, you juiced vegetables that you would never have been able to chew yourself, and then you probably forced yourself to drink the juice even though it didn't taste good at all, and forced yourself to drink way more than your body could handle. AV's recommendations towards juicing would make a juice mixture that you would be able to chew yourself if you had the time and energy and had good healthy teeth / gums / jaw. AV Also said never to gulp anything, including juice, but to sip it instead, giving your body time to assess the effects and quantities, and to properly utilize the nutrients. Sipping mimics the rate at which the juice would be consumed if you were chewing the vegetables yourself.

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Primal Diet / Re: Constipation
« on: March 08, 2019, 04:20:02 am »
You fail to recognize that AV's advice regarding juicing is actually pretty similar to GCB's philosophy. Mild tasting vegetables make up the bulk of the juice for a reason. If you take a bunch of really strong tasting vegetables that you would never be able to chew on your own due to how awful they would taste, and juice them, then drink the juice forcing yourself to ignore the strong bitter or pungent taste, and have way more of it than your body is able to handle, then yes you're going to have problems.

Don't blame AV for what you did because it's completely different to what AV suggested, and he even warned that many people made that mistake.

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Primal Diet / Re: Constipation
« on: March 08, 2019, 01:21:02 am »
You can claim whatever you want, but don't say AV's advise regarding veggie juice is bad when you did exactly what he said not to do, in larger amounts than he recommended, and got the results he said you would get by doing what you did.

In synthesis, your juice was too strong and you had too much of it. Of course you were going to have issues.

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Primal Diet / Re: Constipation
« on: March 08, 2019, 12:06:55 am »
Juicing exerts far more pressure and really cuts into the cell-membranes, thus releasing more antinutrients/nutrients than chewing. Bear also in mind that we do not have the kind of chewing power re teeth etc. that herbivores like sheep do.

Our teeth, jaws, tongue etc, if in optimal condition are perfectly capable of "juicing" most vegetables. I don't think you're talking about slow masticating juicers when you say they exert a lot more pressure or cut deeper into cell membranes.

Back in my PD group days, I used to encounter a large number of Primal Dieters who would consume more than a pint a day of raw veggie juice.

Per day yes, per sitting no. Even in his recipe book from 2002 he recommended as little as 1/4th of a pint per sitting, 3 times a day, and 3/4ths per sitting as the absolute maximum for people who needed more. And later on he started recommending even smaller amounts of juice in general.

As regards the veg I used for raw veggie juice, it was a wide choice of carrots, radishes, but mostly greener veg like kale cucumber or whatever. It was a long time ago, so memory isn't great. I will agree that I never had issues with raw fruit juices.

That's not how AV recommended to mix your juices and in fact he strictly said not to do that. Cucumber is the only one out of all those which you should have a large amount of in your juices. And he said you should never juice fruits, except in small amounts and for particular formulas, as that makes the sugars rush into your bloodstream too fast.

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Primal Diet / Re: Constipation
« on: March 07, 2019, 10:08:49 pm »
A slow juicer is rather more extreme than chewing re pressure . Besides, most people don't spend ages chewing plant foods.

I don't see how it's more extreme, and plenty of people, myself included, have the natural instinct to chew vegetables like celery or carrots, drink the juice and discard the pulp.

Re my raw veggie juice experience:- I had 1 pint of raw veggie juice a day for several days - I also tried other times when I drank less a day or more a day, but not all at the same time .

What combinations and amounts of vegetables did the juice consist of?

And were you aware that AV never recommended more than 1/4th to 3/4ths of a pint as the absolute maximum per sitting?

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Primal Diet / Re: Constipation
« on: March 07, 2019, 07:16:18 pm »
AV was often wrong and not in tune with the real experiences of most RVAFers. In the case of raw veggie juice, DPL is, of course, wrong. Juicing breaks down the cell-walls , thus making not only the nutrients but also the antinutrients  in raw vegetables far more bioavailable.

How is a slow masticating juicer like the greenstar any different in this regard than chewing? I know you're not a fan of chewing meats extensively but surely you don't think the same about fibrous plants like celery?

Incidentally, I got diarrhea, too, after consuming raw veggie-juice.

What did your juice consist of and how much did you drink?

And was that the only time in your life you had diarrhea?

And how do you know it wasn't a detox?

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Primal Diet / Re: Constipation
« on: March 06, 2019, 06:45:35 am »
Alright. I used to manage a cold pressed juicery, and in hindsight now I know why some of my clients would report that they would  get diarrhea from the straight veggie juices. I don’t intend to drink raw green juices anyway.

Most people mix their juices wrong. They put too much sweet root/bulb vegetables like carrots, beets, or they put sweet fruits in there, or too many dark strong leafy greens like kale that should only be used minimally if at all.

AV suggested some raw veggie juices for detoxification for everybody except ex-vegetarians/vegans or very long-term raw animal based dieters with optimal health, living in pristine environments and with few accumulated toxins in their bodies.

The way to properly mix a veggie juice is to make most of it out of mild tasting vegetables and bland fruits, such as celery and cucumber (peeled, always). I also like swiss chard, it's a lot like celery because of the thick juicy stems.

I would like to ask you, do you think completely fasting for the day would be a good idea in situations like this? So as to give the body a way to properly process every bit of food without the constant ingestion of more food throughout the day? I thought of perhaps consuming only liquids, such as milk and eggs, and postponing the consumption of  meat and other solid foods. Either that or just carry on with my regular routine?

No, I don't think fasting is a good idea and AV thought it was a terrible idea. To quote him, "every time you spend more than 4hs without eating, your cells start cannibalizing each other". He even suggested sleeping with small pieces of ground meat or organs next to your bed so you can wake up in the middle of the night, have your snack and continue sleeping. I'm not nearly this extreme about it, but that's what he thought. And he's someone that experimented heavily with long term fasting.

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Primal Diet / Re: Constipation
« on: March 06, 2019, 04:58:46 am »
  Do NOT try raw veggie juices. They are the 2nd-worst problem that RVAFers experience(raw dairy is the worst). I once tried raw veggie juice and got green diarrhea c.30 minutes after drinking the stuff. The general idea is that juicing not only breaks down the cell-walls to release many more nutrients, but also similiarly releases more of the antinutrients as well. If you do try them, then mind the usual caution of never drinking more than 1 pint of raw veggie juice.

Those antinutrients would be released when eating the vegetables normally as well. Plenty of people have the natural instinct to chew vegetables, drink the juice and discard the pulp. Using a juicer just speeds up the process and makes it easier if you have bad teeth. Also, not all juicing methods break up cell walls or introduce oxygen equally.

Finally, AV recommended no more than 3/4ths of a pint per sitting as the absolute maximum.

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