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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / (Ketosis) It seems many people are missing the point ...
« on: June 26, 2010, 10:54:26 pm »
Hello again all, this thread is regarding Ketosis and Ketones So if you are not interested I'll bid you a polite farewell for now 
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One thing i have noted is that when people first enter Ketosis ( not Ketoacidosis which is Very different ) they end up becoming very sluggish or tired and unable to workout as hard or long as they used to and then decide that it's not for them. I think what it has to do with is modernization causing people to "trim the fat", in terms of what's really causing the root problem here.
The point of Ketosis is to burn fat, over carbs, for energy and depending on Ketones over glucose. However, people don't do the math right and till this day it still confuses me. Though it varies from person to person the rule of thumb is that LEAN MEAT is often very deficient in fat, although heavy in Protein. The problem with that is that your main energy source is Fat, as protein can only be broken down into glucose and only 58% of it can at that.
You can only use so much protein at a time though, before causing horrible distress to your body, which inevitably shows up over time if you don't get the balance correct.
Now let's get an example, you get a relatively fatty cut of beef and notice that the protein to fat ratio is something like we'll say ... 2 to 1. But read on, if you look at the CALORIC CONTENT, then read the Calories which are from Fat and you will see the TRUE ratio. Little amounts of fat are High in calories Because fats are VERY ENERGY DENSE so a little bit goes a long way.
However, if attempting to achieve the benefit of Ketones over Glucose, Too much protein and not enough fat signals your body to make the protein into glucose, rather then focusing on its Nutrient capacity instead.
Therefore on a Caloric scale if one were to be in Ketosis, generally gained from low to zero carb lifestyles, one would need a Caloric content of at least about 60% from fat. If trying to build muscle you would not change the ratio, but you would only add in more calories always making sure to consume your FAT WITH your PROTEIN so as to make the protein more usable for what YOU want instead of Fuel in the form of Glucose.
Bottom line is, in the long run, Extra lean is counterproductive to Ketosis. The high caloric fat intake is what gives you untold amounts of expendable energy. You dont get nearly as tired if you watch your numbers and eat enough caloric fat in at LEAST a 60% fat - 37% protein, 3% carb ratio on a purely CALORIC scale; Or cut ALL the carbs and up the protein. This is also why, if you adapt an extra lean lifestyle, its important to have Other sources of fat like bone marrow, suet, straight up fat, Raw butter, virgin coconut products, etc. etc.
I posted this because I feel so bad for the bodybuilders who are dead tired and drained relying so heavily on protein and not enough on fat. I have experience with Ketosis and bodybuilding and I have trained with others who do it as well. Once they understand this and add this small tweak to their diet they almost Always notice an energy boost and higher capability. Be well all, and comment if you like farewell for now.
Edit: I wasn't saying the only factor in bodybuilding or exercise of any kind was just the caloric ratio. It indeed varies from person to person, and it takes the body, depending on the body, time to adapt to turning fat into energy. Its nowhere near as readily simple as I may have made it seem, I was only giving a general rule of thumb.
With that said, it seems like first time bodybuilders in Ketosis would benefit from starting with a slightly increased protein to fat ratio for the glucose, and then slowly up the fat to overcome it.
.One thing i have noted is that when people first enter Ketosis ( not Ketoacidosis which is Very different ) they end up becoming very sluggish or tired and unable to workout as hard or long as they used to and then decide that it's not for them. I think what it has to do with is modernization causing people to "trim the fat", in terms of what's really causing the root problem here.
The point of Ketosis is to burn fat, over carbs, for energy and depending on Ketones over glucose. However, people don't do the math right and till this day it still confuses me. Though it varies from person to person the rule of thumb is that LEAN MEAT is often very deficient in fat, although heavy in Protein. The problem with that is that your main energy source is Fat, as protein can only be broken down into glucose and only 58% of it can at that.
You can only use so much protein at a time though, before causing horrible distress to your body, which inevitably shows up over time if you don't get the balance correct.
Now let's get an example, you get a relatively fatty cut of beef and notice that the protein to fat ratio is something like we'll say ... 2 to 1. But read on, if you look at the CALORIC CONTENT, then read the Calories which are from Fat and you will see the TRUE ratio. Little amounts of fat are High in calories Because fats are VERY ENERGY DENSE so a little bit goes a long way.
However, if attempting to achieve the benefit of Ketones over Glucose, Too much protein and not enough fat signals your body to make the protein into glucose, rather then focusing on its Nutrient capacity instead.
Therefore on a Caloric scale if one were to be in Ketosis, generally gained from low to zero carb lifestyles, one would need a Caloric content of at least about 60% from fat. If trying to build muscle you would not change the ratio, but you would only add in more calories always making sure to consume your FAT WITH your PROTEIN so as to make the protein more usable for what YOU want instead of Fuel in the form of Glucose.
Bottom line is, in the long run, Extra lean is counterproductive to Ketosis. The high caloric fat intake is what gives you untold amounts of expendable energy. You dont get nearly as tired if you watch your numbers and eat enough caloric fat in at LEAST a 60% fat - 37% protein, 3% carb ratio on a purely CALORIC scale; Or cut ALL the carbs and up the protein. This is also why, if you adapt an extra lean lifestyle, its important to have Other sources of fat like bone marrow, suet, straight up fat, Raw butter, virgin coconut products, etc. etc.
I posted this because I feel so bad for the bodybuilders who are dead tired and drained relying so heavily on protein and not enough on fat. I have experience with Ketosis and bodybuilding and I have trained with others who do it as well. Once they understand this and add this small tweak to their diet they almost Always notice an energy boost and higher capability. Be well all, and comment if you like
farewell for now.Edit: I wasn't saying the only factor in bodybuilding or exercise of any kind was just the caloric ratio. It indeed varies from person to person, and it takes the body, depending on the body, time to adapt to turning fat into energy. Its nowhere near as readily simple as I may have made it seem, I was only giving a general rule of thumb
. With that said, it seems like first time bodybuilders in Ketosis would benefit from starting with a slightly increased protein to fat ratio for the glucose, and then slowly up the fat to overcome it.
, farewell for now.