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I'm interested in knowing how many people here got into raw paleo in spite of the fact that they had no major underlying health issues that they were trying to resolve.

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Hot Topics / RAF: A Problematic Public Image?
« on: November 16, 2008, 04:11:23 pm »
I'm sure I'm going to get a lot of flack for making this post, especially since I'm pretty new here, but hell, I'm going to speak my mind: I don't think we raw meat eaters market ourselves well.  While I appreciate the open mindedness on this forum, and certainly don't want to slam anyone's views, I can't help but recoil at the apparent zealotry I frequently witness on these forums.  I understand everyone's enthusiasm with finally having found a diet that works so well and that seems so common sense in retrospect, but as someone (relatively) new to these ideas, I can attest that when people start peddling the views of gurus like Aajonus as if they are indisputable facts, I start getting a seriously cultish vibe.  This is not to say that those ideas are not worth serious consideration and thought, I just don't think that anyone can legitimately pretend, for example, that the whole raw detox is theory is true beyond a shadow of a doubt and that food poisoning is total BS.  Last I checked, Aajonus hasn't any specialized knowledge about the human body than the rest of us do not. 

My feeling is that there is enough to recommend this diet without reverting to the unsubstantiated theories of celebrity seeking gurus.  I know that its a natural inclination for movements to find leaders to attach themselves to, but honestly, as charismatic as figures like aajonus may be, they can also be pretty damn intimidating and generate a pretty strong nutcase response from people new to his ideas.  I mean seriously, this guy claims that he discovered his diet after being led to a dead carcass by a tribe of foxes (or something like that).  I can't help but worry that the odd mix of pseudoscience, cultism, and spiritualism that Aajonus has managed to market so successfully to his niche community of followers has been more of a liability than an asset to the public image of RAF.   My feeling is that if we want to attract attention to and build credibility for our views on nutrition, we would be better off sticking to the more substantiated, scientific side of the RAF debate, at least publicly.

I realize that this forum is basically a private group of like minded individuals, and I don't mean to suggest that we ought to completely mute our discussion of these sorts of ideas. I just think that its worth keeping in mind that at this point in time, information supporting the dietary views that we support are pretty scarce.  In most parts of the developed world, the sight of a person eating raw meat is more likely to give the impression of psychopathy than superior health.  Being one of the few public communities on the net, I think we would be wise to keep in mind the impression we inevitably have on the outside world, especially open minded individuals who are considering a RAF diet.

I hope I did not offend anybody.  I am indebted to this community for expanding my horizons nutritionally speaking, and the last thing I want to do is to step on the feet of those who have been so helpful me.  I just want to shed some light on the sorts of things that a newcomer to the idea of RAF finds potentially outputting (speaking from experience) so that others like me are not turned away from the great health advantages eating this way confers.

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I have been trying for quit some time now to ease carbs out of my diet and go more or less 100% meat and fat.  However, after a few days away from plant matter, at most maybe a week, I find that I am always derailed by forces outside of my control.  My problem is not one of motivation or insurmountable cravings, but rather is a social one.  Its one thing to insist on cutting out grains and processed food; people can at least understand where you are coming from most of the time, and, whats more, its not too difficult to just pick out other foods to eat in social settings (usually fresh fruit is easy to come by, for example).  I can proudly say that I haven't eaten any grain in many months.  But when it comes to eliminating all carbs--I'm slowly becoming convinced that without becoming some sort of a hobbit, it just cannot be done.  For instance, what am I to do when my roomate, a great person with the best of intentions, who is respectful of my efforts to take charge of my health, but thoroughly disgusted by some of my eating habits (ie eating raw meat) in an effort to meet me half way buys getting me an organic fruit basket for my birthday?  I can't just not eat it.  I have to eat it.  Fact is, at least for me, it is just not possible to restrict plant matter in any sort of a long term kind of way.

So, this being the case, I have to wonder: does it make any sense to spend as much of my time as possible taking the zero-carb approach to my diet, knowing full well that I will be derailed every week or so, or am I better off just giving up even trying to go zero carb and settling for moderate to low carb intake.  My thinking is as follows: in the best of all worlds, perhaps it would be ideal to cut out all plant food and allow the body to adapt to a diet of only raw animal foods.  But from all that I've heard, this adaption process is long and slow, and in the mean time, I doubt that the zero carb approach is optimal.  I worry that going zero carb without ever having a chance to adapt physiologically to the new diet, I'm doing little more than to constantly subject my body to undue stress .  My experience backs up this worry.  After going a couple of days carb free, I start feeling lethargic (despite gorging on large amounts of protein AND fat), and sense that this is because I never stay on the zero carb approach long enough to adapt to the change.  I find myself incredibally frustrated because I am a scientifically minded person and I am never able to zero carb for long enough to draw any conclusions about whether it is an effective diet plan in the long term--For this reason I keep coming back to the drawing board, hoping I'll be able to hold out once and for all.  but I never am! 

What are other people's thoughts are on this matter, especially those of you who eat only animal food?  Am I better off avoiding carbs when possible, or just giving up and adopting a low/moderate carb diet (devoid of grains, of course)?

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