OK, so when I first embarked on ZC, I held the assumption that I need not be afraid of consuming any amount of fat (in the form of beef backfat) and weight/adipose gain wouldn't be an issue. I figured appetite would guide my instincts on when to stop eating and such.

I tried it both ways, high fat and moderate protein, and moderate fat and higher protein. Here's what I found:

High fat/ moderate protein: WEIGHT GAIN. But great sustained energy. Body deviates from being lean.
Amount eaten (probably 1/4 pound fat to up to 1 pound chuck meat)

High protein/ lower fat: Weight gain also.... because I ended up eating a lot more meat because my appetite wasn't fulfilled as quickly. Eenergy did not last as well throughout the day.
Amount eaten (probably 1/7 pound fat to up to 2 pounds chuck meat)

If I eat NO meat and STRAIGHT fat, I can only stomach about 1/7-1/8 pound maybe? It doesn't taste too good by itself and appetite is killed fairly quickly. Perhaps I should eat fat until my appetiete is slightly killed, then consume the meat?

Bottom line is, I'm wondering what the latest agreed general consensus is on fat and meat ratio... There are some contradictory info in the Journals... For example, Lex states high fat causes weight gain for him. Kristel's journal begins by reflecting the same opinion, but then her last posts before she went inactive in 2008 states she advocates HIGH fat.

My experience with raw paleo ZC has been weight gain ONLY, I have not lost any weight at all... I don't really like to keep gaining endlessly if it it isn't lean mass. Am I just eating too many calories? WHat do I need to do to get a balance between energy and relative leanness?

Any inputs appreciated...

I used to have pretty bad cystic acne and for the past three years, gradually made dietary changes from junk all the time, to "mainstream healthy", then veges and meats, then raw vegan, than 80/10/10, and now raw paleo for 5 months.

My skin has been getting better the whole time SLOOOWLLYY, but even today if I take a vitamin c powder supplement (even the buffered ones), eat organ meats (i've tried kidneys, hearts, and livers all grassfed), eat anything with omega 3 in it (wild salmon or tuna), nuts, or anything with sugar, I get huge inflamed cystic acne developing within hours of consumption. I also get occasional milia all over my body which decreases if I avoid those above foods. I don't understand my body anymore.

I tried the organ meats as of late because I thought it would speed up my healing process, since all I eat nowadays is grassfed backfat mixed with grassfed ground beef (these things don't break me out).

Does anyone have an idea of what might be wrong here?

Any input would be appreciated...

Just got my first raw beef kidney from NSB, and holy cow! The texture took a few minutes to get used to but it tastes like mushroom! YUMMY! Does pancreas taste good as well? I may try that next. Liver tastes disgusting to me for some reason. Does that mean my liver is in good shape but my kidneys are not? Hmmm

What is the next thing that needs to happen for the betterment of the health of society? If you were a person of great influence, (scientist, politician, whatever), a person who was hired to better the health of the world...

Would you....

Have science prove the benefits of a RAF diet so that mainstream society can will be motivated to adopt it? Have science prove and publish the effects of adulterated foods and sugar so that every single person understands the consequences? Have a great campaign that makes very clear diabetes, heart disease and other chronic diseases can be fixed via diet? Campaign a RAF centered food pyramid? Have celebrities and athletes endorse RAF?

Change the diets fed to sick people in hospitals? Change the treatment of some cancers with diet?

Politically speaking, would you impose structure that heavily favors gressfed over grainfed?

Furthermore,
regarding countries that need aid medically and food wise, would you implement RAFs? A lot of countries are shipped flour sugar and peanut butter rations which you could argue worsens the health of the people thereby exacerbating the situation by lowering their immunities to certain disease further.

RULES OF DEBATE:

1. No mentioning of HOW you go about accomplishing this, just WHAT you would do. I just don't want to hear pessimists argue about what you can or cannot do because people will feel this way about RAF or that.

2. No talking about fight club.

GO!!!

I'm looking for any books that explain the lipid hypothesis clearly and and also why saturated fats and cholesterol are good. I prefer them to contain scientific evidence to back up theory and any biochemistry explaining involved wouldn't hurt either. Would anyone know of such books?

Some books I've already found are:
Eat Fat Lose Fat by Mary Enig
Know Your Fats  by Mary Enig

Hello everyone, allow me to introduce myself:

My name is Ray, I am a 25 yo pre-med undergraduate student from Pennsylvania, USA

I'm majoring in Cell and Molecular Biology.

My interests include: basketball, violin, martial arts (kungfu, jujitsu, wrestling), biochemistry, philosophy, gymnastics, graphology, scuba diving, and all outdoor activities. I also take special interest in holistic nutrition, alternative and emergency medicine, standup comedy, and Japanese culture (I'm first generation Japanese American.

My goal is to go to Stanford, UC San Francisco, Harvard, or UPenn medical school, maybe get a concurrent MPH degree and specialize in surgery or emergency medicine (acute medicine basically) and have a career with Doctors Without Borders to help natural disaster and war victims. Once I accumulate enough experience in the "trenches" (so to speak) I want to join the upper ranks if need be to implement large scale policy change to benefit the people I feel need the help most. I would like to work towards a large impactful and meaningful goal that betters the world.

This is one reason why I want to perfect my diet, so I can work hard and do my best for every patient I meet. Also, I used to have HORRIBLE cystic acne which has improved through diet. I'm still not 100% clear but getting there.

This summer I will be volunteering on a health project in either Ghana, Uganda, Tanzania, India, Kenya, or somewhere in southeast Asia. I'm trying to go to a place where I can witness true poverty, as well as medical procedures (surgeries, and the like). I would like this trip to really shock me out of my comfort zone and have a big impact on my soul.

I am not very religious at all— if I have an inherent faith in anything, it is only in the innate good of all people. My life is an adventure full of wonderful friends and experiences I would not trade for anyone else’s. I would also not want to ever go back even a day in my life because every day I become closer to my goals; every day I strive to be a better person than I was yesterday. In general I am a very happy, energetic person— and also self-proclaimed king of enthusiasm.

I'm 5'5 and 125lb right now. And I had been mainstream nutrition healthy eater for 1 year, then vegan and eventually 80/10/10 (disaster) for 9 months. I began raw paleo in early November.

My current daily diet consists of:

Wakeup- glass water and piece of fruit (kiwi lately for high Vitamin C) (Maybe banana for Potassium- avoid glucose intolerance), Also maybe cabbage, kale, or romaine lettuce juice (I blend in blender then strain)

Mid morning- 1/2 lb grassfed organic beef mixed with good chunk of raw beef back fat and suet (suet is grain-finished)

Late afternoon- 1/2 lb grassfed organic beef with same mix as above

Snack- Suet (its waxy but I love it... how much is too much?)

Optional: Frozen pureed liver ice cube for Vitamin A and other nutrients (I freeze it in a ice cube tray, as I hate the taste of liver)
Maybe some egg yolks

I feel like I need more variety in my diet. I don't feel quite optimal yet. Working on it. I had a recent setback with ghee which has left eczema like rashes all over my body and has yet to completely subside... By the way stay away from benadryl kids... My brain was short-circuited for an entire day.

Anyway... NICE TO MEET YOU ALL!!!

Hi guys,
I'm a 25y male from PA, USA. I'm new to the forum but I've spend several hours reading the forum for several days and started omnivorous raw paleo last week. Like many people on the forum I arrived on the Vegetarian/Vegan/RawVegan/80/10/10 train which was a disaster...

Anyway to get to the point, I was wondering if I can ask a couple of questions? This past week I have been eating about a pound of grass-fed ground beef with 4 spoonfuls of ghee mixed in... is this okay as a staple in my diet?

I have a budget of around 45-50 dollars per week and my local wegman's foodstore sells grass-fed beef for $5 a pound. Chuck is $6 a pound. I believe grain-fed but "organic" chuck at my local supermarket is $4 a pound. I don't eat grain-fed GROUND beef. Egg yolks do not fill me up at all and I don't eat raw chicken thus far due to the water contamination... I eat a small portion of beef liver every other day.

So I have 2 issues...

1. Given the info above, how can I construct a diet that is within or close to my weekly budget? of $45-50
So far I've been thinking:
Each day consume 1 lb of grassfed ground beef = 7 x $5 = $35
Eat a additional half a pound of grain-fed organic chuck = 7 x .5 pound x $4 = $14
Total for meat only: $49
Beef liver I only buy occasionally in a pack so negligible.

Is this calorie range appropriate for a moderately active 5'5 125lber?

2. BUT, I have a need for making sure I have all the nutrients (vitamins and minerals, choline, etc) I need so in addition to the above my breakfast is a "green juice" consisting of cabbage, spinach, or kale, and I eat 1 or 2 pieces of fruit (apple or pear). And at night if I get hungry I will steam broccoli lightly and eat it. The cost for said  amount of vegetables and fruits per week is about $13. Should I keep these non-meat items on my menu? Should I nix the fruit to buy more ground beef? Should I not eat ground beef some days and eat the grainfed chuck instead (which would lower some cost)? Should I add seafood? Should I ditch grain-fed all-together and buy grassfed only and also go no carb?

Thanks in advance for any help you guys can offer.

Ray