Which type of mushrooms did you use?

I start to wonder if there are any health benefits of raw moldy cheeses such as Brie, Camembert or Roquefort, but not the pasteurized versions. I used to stay away from them due to my previous fungal and candida overgrowth, but I am thinking to add them to my diet. Does anybody know if moldy cheese cultures are similarly beneficial as high meat is?

Coffee can hinder HCI. I found that green tea after like 30 min to 1 hour works far better and is less irritant. It enhances my digestion, but it can harm if you drink it on an empty stomach. I find it also very calming, but that depends on the brand.

@van

This is very interesting. Can you please briefly explain how you can culture human strains of probiotics?  Also, what whey do you use? Should it be live whey from lets say kefir or would store bought powdered whey work as well? And to implant the solution of a pint, you use an enema, or how do you insert it? Suppositories would be too small unless you use many?

I am with you and I´d like to share my experience after being on the carnivore since July.

I eat cooked lamb shanks, beef ribs in water and lately chicken drum sticks and chicken legs. Lamb and beef I soak in salt water for a couple of hours to get the minerals out of the bones (dunno if that works but I don´t want to use any plant substances such as vinegar or lemon juice) and boil them for 3-4 hours in water. Then I eat the whole meat broth with no added spices whatsoever, only the already added salt. Chicken I put in the oven for 1-2 hours on 180 degrees celcius to make them soft. I eat that with salt and sometimes commercial mustard. I found these 3 meats to be the best for me. Turkey would be better in terms of fat content but the feed is worse so I stay with chicken. Pork, even though soaked in vinegar or salt to remove the lectins causes issues. Fish my body doesn´t crave. I sometimes do eat beef tartare with beef, egg yolk and salt. With every meal I eat I have a lot of raw goat cheese and raw milk, either goat or sheep.

In the 4 months I eat carnivore I had around 5 cheat meals which consisted of button mushrooms, veggies in sauces such as garlic, onion, potatoes and some herbs and once I had ice cream. I do drink green tea daily and sometimes have raw greek honey, but I´m still uncertain regarding that. My blood pressure is very good. Blood test pending.

There is something else that I would suggest doing if you want to know the conditions of your organs. Follow the instructions of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyTgkGPNxks when you will do the excercises at the end (circling the area), lying on your belly, you will feel a sensation at the organs that are in trouble. Sensation meaning when you touch them you get very sensitive and you might need to stop. That can be around the kindeys, bowels, liver, gallbladder or solar plexus. I find this excercise to be very precise and very effective. First time I did it I had an enormous emotional reaction. So the less you feel there the better off your organs are, at least in my experience and opinion.

I don´t eat plant foods after carnivore, I do experiment with alcohols such as red wine, sherry, fernet branca, swedish bitters and other alcohols to increase my HCI, but so far I don´t think any of those really works except red wine. As far as I know alcohol increases HCI and it always works for me. I tried for the 3rd time to have HCI tablets but it makes me fell ill in the stomach and blocks digestion so I stopped. I remember AV saying that HCI supplements arent´t good. He might have been right here. In one of his interviews he noted:

https://soundcloud.com/oneradionetwork/062311_vonderplanitz_aajonus_primal_diet_one

"HCI supplement is bad as its not complete, and it can inhibit certain bacteria to digest food and not assimilate it properly. So u may have poorly digested proteins."

I tried HCI supplements with different intervals. Before food, with food, 15 min after food, 30 min after food and 45 min after food. All failed. Therefore I still believe that the best way to heal the body is by NOT taking any helpers whatsoever. The body is supposed to learn to digest the foods you eat, especially if you have eaten plant based before. Even if HCI is supposed to help. I used to eat a LOT of plant based foods which brought me into this low HCI mess, now I don´t eat any and I think that´s the best way to go to naturally increase it, which after carnivore it did. I do however think that herbs and mushrooms are in a differnt category, and by now I strongly believe that these can heal rather than harm. I still need to do more research about that, especially about mushrooms which are fascinating, since they are in the same category as humans and meats.

But when summarizing these 4 months of carnivore I can say that this is the best way of eating I ever did. Out of my personal experience I would recommend not to eat any plant based foods, and I think you would heal much faster. Doing zero carb might be even better, but that would mean no dairy and no eggs, for sure not honey or bee pollen. Only meat, water and salt. But that is too hardcore for me and I think that some people might need these carbs. So if I were you surfsteve, I´d try going full carnivore, with no plant based foods whatsoever, and see how it goes. And when it comes to body odor I wouldn´t worry. Since eating carnivore I have zero smell, zero farts and by now I sweat less (you will sweat more in the beginning). One thing you might realize though, you will need to drink a lot more water, unless you eat plenty of raw meats and drink a lot of raw dairy.

that depends a lot where you live, if you go to a farmer that doesn´t sell on a large scale and only from his own place, his chickens are running around on pasture then the chances are higher for high quality eggs. If you buy organic eggs from the supermarket then don´t expect to have natural feed. The ones I got were from a farmer that doesn´t have the organic label, because it costs to get it and he doesn´t care. Were the best eggs I ever had. Raw and cooked with super orange yolk. I had tasted 7 different organic brands where I live and none of them could hold up to the non organic.

I think it depends on how you cook ur food. I noticed that when eating boiled meat together with the liquid I got the best digestion. I pair that with raw milk of goat or sheep and raw soft cheese. 3 months ago I started the carnivore diet, and after some experimentation I can say that this seems to be the best way to cure food sensitivities as its the ultimate elimination diet. I used to fry ground beef or ground lamb with tallow, goose fat or lard, together with raw dairy, but it was still too hard to digest on low HCI. Now, with the soft meat broth including the meat (lamb and beef), paired with raw dairy things have improved vastly and my HCI is increasing naturally. Eating everything in the broth could mean that you loose little of the nutrients, surely the meat is degraded to some point, but boiled could be the best way to eat cooked foods after raw. Also because it´s soft and your HCI, hence your body, won´t need that much energy to break down the hard food particles to get the nutrients out.

In fact, I came to eating boiled meat by the story of the greek historian Herodotus, which lived around 2500 years ago. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_History_of_Herodotus_(Macaulay)/Book_III

18. Now the table of the Sun is said to be as follows:—there is a meadow in the suburb of their city full of flesh-meat boiled of all four-footed creatures; and in this, it is said, those of the citizens who are in authority at the time place the flesh by night, managing the matter carefully, and by day any man who wishes comes there and feasts himself; and the natives (it is reported) say that the earth of herself produces these things continually.

23. Then when the Ichthyophagoi asked the king in return about the length of days and the manner of life of his people, he answered that the greater number of them reached the age of a hundred and twenty years, and some surpassed even this; and their food was boiled flesh and their drink was milk.

And the funny thing is that even back than the King of Ethiopia knew that Grains are crap

http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/hh/hh3020.htm

22. Then when he came to the wine, and had learned about the manner of its making, being exceedingly delighted with the taste of the drink he asked besides what food the king ate, and what was the longest time that a Persian man lived. They told him that he ate bread, explaining to him first the manner of growing the wheat, and they said that eighty years was the longest term of life appointed for a Persian man. In answer to this the Ethiopian said that he did not wonder that they lived but a few years, when they fed upon dung; for indeed they would not be able to live even so many years as this, if they did not renew their vigour with the drink, indicating to the Ichthyophagoi the wine; for in regard to this, he said, his people were much behind the Persians.

Either way, this "Table of Sun Diet" seems to be working well for me, so to say that cooked meat is bad is far from the truth, even the people from the world carnivore tribe fb forum eat mainly grilled or highly heated meat, and they heal the craziest health conditions. But they all have something in common. They cut out all plant foods. So the key to good health seems to be low carb and less, or no plant foods at all. If you would now be eating a raw carnivore diet, that might be the fastest way to heal. Just my two cents..

And regarding the last toxic cooked food I could somewhat agree with chestnuts, but the problem is they are very high in carbs. Initially they had helped a lot as they can cleanse the intestines pretty well, but at a later stage they were a no-go. I think tigernuts would be a better choice. In my situation the least irritating foods in the end (before I started carnivore) were sweet potatoes, winter and summer squash, pumpkin and garlic. Asparagus would be ok too. Maybe even artichokes unless u got low HCI, since they have a lot of cellulose and are hard, even when cooked. I also think that rice would be somewhat ok if soft, i think rinsing helps with arsenic levels. But the absolute worst thing that I could think of is sourdough bread. I think Aajonus did a big fuck up recommending gluten bread in his "We want to live", regardless if its made with wild yeast and therefore is lower in phytates. It absolutely wrecked my already sensitive gut.

Some time ago I wanted to get raw dairy in the UK. And I found quite some places, even for things such as bone marrow. Some ship Nationwide as far as I can remember, some not. List is below

https://www.gazegillorganics.co.uk
https://www.facebook.com/OldHallFm/
http://www.hurdlebrook.co.uk/
https://www.facebook.com/thehappycowfarm/
https://www.facebook.com/RedlaysFarmDairy/
https://www.facebook.com/The-Teddington-Cheese-292243080858437/
https://www.facebook.com/smilingtreefarm/
https://www.coombefarmorganic.co.uk sells all kinds of organic meats, organ meats, bones and other things.

Then there is http://www.boroughmarket.org.uk/ which has a list of all sellers. Some have raw dairy too.

I might try and do the water fast again, but I rather put on some more weight first. Fat reserves I don´t really have. That´s why I eat so much dairy to up that cuz up until now (except the newly introduced meat broth below), I couldn´t digest meat fats well. Maybe I´ll start easy with a day fast and see how it goes. I don´t want to use any type of vinegar, strictly speaking I can´t stand anything plant based atm. Plant foods, regardless of what kind, got me into all this trouble and I don´t want to go back this road.

I noticed today that I am doing very well on meat broth apparently. So cooking either beef ribs or lamb shanks which are full of fat, together with the bones in himalayan salt for a couple of hours until very soft to make kind of a soup, that soup eaten with raw goat ricotta and raw milk of sheep or goat seems to do wonders for the digestion. Everything is soft when eaten and i don´t need much stomach acid since everything enters the stomach in a mushy state. Digestion never has been that easy, finally. I will also try to incorporate raw ground beef with 1 egg yolk to see how that goes. I know ur a big proponent for HCI. But I had issues with it, however, I thought of trying HCI for the 3rd time to see if I could tolerate it now, as this would help eating harder type of meats, so softness is the key solution for low HCI for me. But I´ll give the meat broth some more time first. And I don´t have little mucus, I have pretty much, but that´s apparently due to the dairy.

Who do you mean with AJ? AV like Aajonus V.? If him, then he promoted Kefir and that has nothing to do with a normal grains. It´s a type of mushroom. I drank homemade kefir daily for many months from different milks, but I do think that it does not promote weight gain. More of the opposite I found.

Well, she is not the only one that fixed her cavities. Either way, I plan to try it as well and I will make a thread about it. Then we see..

@Raulik. How many eggs did you drink during that day? 30?