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If you have ever experienced vomiting from eating hopniss, sunchokes, or jicama (and possibly other root vegetables) - hey look, there is a vomiting smiley face up there! -v - I'm interested in finding ways to prevent this, because I am emetophobic and I really, really want to avoid vomiting at all costs. 

Native Americans ate hopniss, some kind of lily root tubers, and other root vegetables without getting sick, but when they gave them to the white people, the white people weren't able to prepare them properly, and got sick.  (Same with corn, which has to be soaked in water and ashes, called nixtamal, although corn did not cause vomiting, but rather, malnutrition from anti-nutrients.)

Sun drying is the universal primitive food preservation method, for people who don't have refrigerators. 

I tried eating a jicama.  I cooked it for what I thought was a long time, but when I put a tiny bite of it into my mouth, I had strange, tickly, twinge-like sensations in my mouth, and I know from experience that this means the food will make me vomit.  I did swallow one bite, and later on, had huge, strange twinges in my abdomen, which felt like electrical shocks. 

It is not inulin fiber.  I did not get gas.  Inulin would not give me twinges in my mouth.  It is rotenone, a natural insecticide in the roots to protect them from being eaten.  Rotenone causes vomiting and affects the nervous system, which explains why my twinges felt 'electrical' in nature. 

Rotenone is destroyed by sunlight. 

Sunlight was universally used to preserve foods. 

I still have the leftover uneaten jicama in the fridge.  I am going to take it out and sun dry it and see if I still get the twinges. 

The twinges in my abdomen were extremely intense even from one tiny bite of jicama.  If I had eaten any more I would have been vomiting uncontrollably.  It felt like it was making my whole intestine move around. 

I know I'm talking about cooking, in a raw forum, but this applies to eating it raw, too.  Even animals will dry their foods to preserve them.  I forget which kind of rodent it is, but there was some rodent that dries out a bunch of grass to store it for the winter.  They're eating it raw after it's been dried.  If someone wants to eat raw hopniss or any other foraged root, but finds that it's too toxic and it causes vomiting, sun drying is the perfect solution.  It isn't cooking, it's something primitive stone age people can do, and even animals can do it, so it doesn't violate the principles / guidelines that paleo dieters are following. 

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I just read something else:

http://seafood.ucdavis.edu/pubs/parasite.htm

"Dry-salting fish, or curing them in a saturated salt brine, for 5-7 days before pickling will kill nematodes and tapeworms. Pickling without salt curing may not destroy some nematodes."

So if you put a bunch of salt on the fish while it's dry, or else leave the fish sitting in salty water, it says this will kill the worms.  You'd have to wash off the salt, and you might not want to be eating a bunch of extra salt on your food.  I wonder if the fish would taste yucky and spoiled after sitting in a bunch of salt water for a week?  Is it at room temperature, or is it in the refrigerator? 

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It sounded like you said that marinating it in lemon juice caused the worms to come out.  Is that what happened?  So could you marinate it in lemon juice for a long time, let the worms come out, and then discard the lemon juice with the worms in it?  I've never done this or seen this before, so I don't know.  I've only read in several different places that marinating fish helps get rid of worms somehow. 

I'm pretty sure that I've had temporary worm infestations before too, from eating fish, and I don't remember what type of fish it was, but I remember it happened the one time when I experimented with cooking the fish lightly so that it was almost raw.  Afterwards, I could actually feel worms crawling in my intestines for a couple of days, and then they went away on their own.  I didn't marinate the fish or do anything to hunt for worms.

I have also read about something called 'candling.'  You hold up a candle, or any kind of light - it was invented back before we had batteries or electric lights - and you hold the light up behind a thinly sliced piece of fish, and you can see the worms through it. 

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General Discussion / Re: Bone marrow caused food poisoning
« on: December 20, 2012, 11:12:42 am »
It's possible that it was some kind of toxin, not sure.  I am chemical sensitive, and I do react to small amounts of chemicals.  I will probably try it again in the future, with bones from a different source.  I'd like to try wild game, like deer.  I was just eating soup bones from the grocery store.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Hi...
« on: December 20, 2012, 11:08:11 am »
I'm in State College, near Penn State University.  I didn't go to the university, my brother did, and I originally was staying at his apartment.  That was how I got here. 

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Hi...
« on: December 20, 2012, 10:16:50 am »
I do love the simplicity of eating raw.  I have always been averse to doing very long and complicated recipes, and I tended to disobey them or try to do it my own way, which didn't work very well. 

The reason why I can't do much with food right now is because I am living in a place where I don't have a refrigerator to keep the food in.  I am actually camping, at the moment (long-term).  So I don't keep food for long periods of time.

I agree with you about cassava - it always made me nervous to read about people using a poisonous plant and doing all these complicated processes to make it safe to eat.  It reminds me of industrial manufacturing.  If you take a piece of poisonous food and send it through this big factory with a hundred conveyor belts and vats and chemicals and cookers and all these other things, then eventually it might be safe to eat.  I don't like doing things that way.

Thanks for the welcomes.

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General Discussion / Bone marrow caused food poisoning
« on: December 19, 2012, 04:18:40 pm »
Okay, this is one of the questions that has been bothering me for a long time now.

Several years ago I read about the Weston Price diet.  I tried cooking beef bone marrow, because I had read about it in several places on the WP websites and books.  I've also read about it online in many places.  People are all talking about how wonderful and delicious it is.

Before I cooked the bones, I ate a teeny tiny little piece of the marrow.  It instantly made me start to feel sick and strange, but I ate such a tiny little piece that it didn't actually cause me to throw up.  Then, I cooked the bones with the marrow in them, and ate a couple very tiny pieces of the cooked marrow.  Once again, it made me feel like I was going to throw up.  I didn't eat any more, because I am phobic about vomiting, so I am extremely cautious. 

Even though I had only eaten just a few miniscule little pieces of bone marrow, I was actually sick for more than 24 hours because of this.  I had this horrible feeling of wrongness, felt like my blood pressure was very elevated (though I didn't have a blood pressure monitor and couldn't check it to see what it was), and had this unbearable restless discomfort that caused me to go out to the parking lot and run around the lot in circles for a long time just to keep moving.  I almost passed out after eating it.

Meanwhile, other people on the internet, and people I've talked to, have all told me how wonderful and delicious bone marrow is.

I've read that if you eat red marrow it's bad, but yellow marrow is good.  The stuff in the bones that I had looked like red marrow.  It was a pinkish color and it was not at all yellow.  I have seen a couple photographs showing marrow that looked a lot yellower than what I had. 

It bothers me to not understand why this made me so extremely sick even from eating just a couple teensy tiny fragments of it.  I would have vomited if I had eaten any more.

Not only that, but the vapors from the container of cooked bones filled up my refrigerator and they wouldn't come out, and I know this is unbelievable, but the vapors started contaminating other food that I had in the fridge so that it would make me sick if I ate it.  I had to actually use a different refrigerator, and I tried again and again to clean out the one where I had put the container of cooked marrow bones.  Even just a tiny bit of the smell would trigger the sensation of being about to vomit. 

Has anyone here ever had this experience with bone marrow?  Has anyone ever compared red marrow to yellow marrow and noticed that (perhaps) red marrow causes vomiting, but yellow marrow does not?

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Welcoming Committee / Hi...
« on: December 19, 2012, 04:03:37 pm »
Hm.  I just read the 'read this' post at the beginning here and it said to put your gender in your profile.  I've already been struggling to modify my profile but can't add anything at all to it - nothing is clickable or editable and there aren't any fields to enter things into.  I wonder if maybe it's my Opera browser not showing some options or something.  Oh well.  My name's Nicole.  I am a 38 year old woman in Pennsylvania.

Anyhow, hello everyone.  Right now I am on just about the worst diet imaginable because, for a variety of reasons, I can't cook for myself at the moment.  But I will be cooking again in the future.  And I just realized that I use the word 'cook' to mean 'prepare food at all,' regardless of whether I actually cook anything. 

I came here to learn about others' experiences with various diets so that I can do troubleshooting.  I have tried a couple of things and had problems with them and wanted to find out what other people have done.  I have a lot of respect for individual people's anecdotes ('I tried doing X, and it resulted in ABC'). 

I am not necessarily aiming for an all raw diet, and since I can't prepare any of my own food at the moment, it doesn't even matter much what kind of diet I would like to do, I'll just have to wait until I can really do it.  I've loved reading about Weston Price for many years now - it gives me so much hope to know that you can prevent deformities if you eat nutritiously and avoid particular drugs and chemicals.  I myself have the narrow face and maloccluded teeth (before braces) that Weston Price wrote about, and I want to prevent that in my future children. 

I'm fascinated with primitive tribes and primitive diets.  I like to be an original observer, trying something and observing how my body feels afterwards.  This is how primitive people found out which foods were edible, for the very first time, when no one was there to tell them.

I've also used the Feingold diet for hyperactivity.  I was a hyperactive child, and my parents put me on the diet, and it instantly calmed me down on the very first day.  I tried it as an adult but for various reasons was never able to get completely on the diet, so I never really tested it as much as I would have liked to.  My life has been chaotic for the past few years.

Oh, I should warn everyone that I am still drinking large amounts of coffee (for the time being, but hopefully very soon I will be able to quit it again), and this makes me EXTREMELY VERBOSE, which means that my posts are often gigantically long and detailed and hard to read.  This improves when I quit coffee.

So, well, hello everyone.

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