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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: How big?
« on: June 30, 2010, 10:31:20 pm »
Quote from: goodsamaritan on June 30, 2010, 10:11:14 pm
Seems you are not interested in adopting a RAW PALEO DIET.
If you are not interested in adopting a RAW PALEO DIET,
if you are not choosing option (2) RAW MEAT,
then you are in the WRONG forum.


i am interested in adopting certain raw paleo foods - such as raw eggs.  i am looking for balance.  i don't believe that any one diet got everything 100% exactly right.  some have gotten close ( raw and paleo ones ) while others missed the boat completely ( low fat ) but nobody got it 100% right.

before coming here i was on raw foods ( vegetarian ) forums for a few weeks.  they banned me for promoting protein shakes.  they never did manage to convince me that the best diet for humans was grass, but i did pick up a lot of tips from them - because of my participation on those forums i now use Hemp and Chia seeds blended in a Vita-Mix several times a day.

i intend to "take home" some foods, concepts and ideas from this forum as well.  i do *not* intend to suddenly forget everything i learned in the last 30 years of my life though and adopt the raw paleo diet without any modifications.

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: How big?
« on: June 30, 2010, 10:24:16 pm »
Quote from: Nation on June 30, 2010, 09:42:33 pm
You should ask Brock Lesnar about protein shakes, maybe he could show you pictures of his endoscopy with holes in his stomach.

my doctor told me when i was on steroids ( he knew i was on them because i told him ) that i will have kidney damage from the sheer VOLUME OF EXERCISE i was doing.  he knew i was using tons of protein and i was using tons of steroids but he said the real problem was lifting weights in the 300+ pound range for 20 hours a week.  he said that all the soreness meant that muscle fragments were floating in my blood eventually reaching kidneys.  steroid mega-doses were able to repair the muscle damage in time for the next workout but there was nothing to help other organs deal with the stress overload on the body.

that's why instead of singling out steroids or protein i realized that in the BIG PICTURE it is the unnatural physique itself that was the culprit and i would be hurting my health one way or the other if i tried to maintain it.  you can't look like a freak and be healthy.

there are basically 3 ways to get bigger:

1 - take steroids
2 - eat more protein and calories
3 - work out with higher intensity

the problem is EACH of them is detrimental to health.  for example:

1 - bad cholesterol ratio, bad blood pressure, prostate enlargement leading to cancer, hair loss, liver damage.
2 - kidney damage, insulin resistance leading to diabetes
3 - kidney damage, high cortisol leading to heart disease, overuse leading to injury

bottom line - NO FREE LUNCH

sure you can be smarter or stupider about either of the 3 so you can do more or less damage with more or less results depending on how intelligent you are but ON THE AVERAGE the more unnatural-looking your GOALS the more damage you will end up doing reaching them

i will give you guys this - protein powders are a relatively recent development so there IS a *risk* or a *chance* that they may in themselves be detrimental to health ( in addition to any detrimental effects of excessive total protein consumption ).  because of this i will try to limit my use of them as much as i can, but i don't see at present time any way for myself to discontinue them completely.

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General Discussion / Re: bad mistake
« on: June 30, 2010, 09:43:32 pm »
Quote from: goodsamaritan on June 28, 2010, 07:51:16 am
Dr. Henry Bieler says we should not embarass our digestive systems by eating a combination of animal meats.

Just eat one kind of meat at a time.

Sequential eating.

if you think about it - humans never used to combine foods while they were hunters / gatherers.  it is only when you have a 20 cubic foot refrigerator with 50 different foods in it that you start to combine them in meals.  if you're on foot all day and you catch an animal - what are you going to combine it with ?

hm ...

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: How big?
« on: June 30, 2010, 08:42:32 pm »
Quote from: miles on June 30, 2010, 08:36:52 pm
There is more to meat than just protein, and there is more to meat protein than just total protein. There is even more to animal than just meat, there is fat and connective tissue. There is also more to fat than just fat...

i am not looking for excuses to avoid eating animal flesh.  i WANT to eat it.  but i have to look at it rationally.  out of 3 options:

1 - protein shakes
2 - raw meat
3 - cooked meat

all 3 have their own risks.  anyway this is off topic, let's not derail the thread.

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: How big?
« on: June 30, 2010, 08:39:20 pm »
Quote from: KD on June 30, 2010, 08:11:10 am
please re-read my original point

don't take it personally.  i am an extremist by nature.  my mind tries to take everything to the extreme.  in my mind there is simply no such concept as "good enough".

Quote from: KD on June 30, 2010, 08:11:10 am
I do bike for transport but its actually a pain in the ass for me how much it burns calories so I opt for the bus often.

yes, low intensity cardio ( commuting ) is not very compatible with the goals you have stated.  if you were doing sprints on the bike it would be different.  but sprinting on a bike is quite dangerous to the point where its probably not worth it.

ps: always wear a helmet :)

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Martial Arts? Which one is practical?
« on: June 30, 2010, 08:31:16 pm »
is there any way to learn martial arts without risking aggravating my already in piss-poor shape rotator cuffs ?

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: How big?
« on: June 30, 2010, 08:11:35 pm »
Quote from: goodsamaritan on June 30, 2010, 08:03:04 am
If you went RAW PALEO DIET, you would know that raw protein is different from cooked / processed protein.

but isn't it true that by the time protein has been absorbed into blood stream it has been reduced to amino acids anyway ?

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: How big?
« on: June 30, 2010, 04:23:23 am »
Quote from: KD on June 29, 2010, 11:28:53 pm
Here are some exercise pics form another thread.

http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/exercisebodybuilding/today%27s-workout/msg37001/#msg37001

i think your upper body is about right size.  you could use bigger legs though i think.

my favorite ways to exercise legs are deadlifts and bike riding.

i would advise you against pursuing greater upper body bulk.  you have a healthy bodyfat percentage but higher than what would be expected from a hollywood star, so you can work on that if you want while keeping overall size constant.

think of Michelangelo's "David" statue as the ideal.  compared to him you are the same size, but not as lean.




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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: How big?
« on: June 30, 2010, 03:56:33 am »
Quote from: Paleo Donk on June 29, 2010, 08:00:23 pm
Also, many people do steroids without much issue and you can do them relatively safely. This is not an endorsement as nobody here should use them but they aren't as bad as they are made out to be.

that's like saying that it's possible to ride a literbike safely.  sure it's possible - if you never make a single mistake you will be just fine.  and if you make that mistake - you will be dead or wishing you were never born.

steroids aren't "bad" - they are DANGEROUS.  if used correctly you will have no problems.  that's a BIG if however.

because most people don't know how to use them correctly.  others know but cannot get the drugs they want and are forced to substitute with other more damaging products.  yet others like me simply lose control and go on a binge.

you have to realize steroids affect your mind, not just your body, and also your physique affects your mind as well.  it becomes a vicious circle - the more drugs you take the bigger you want to be and the bigger you get the more drugs you want to take.  pretty soon everything you know about how to use steroids safely goes out the window and you just start using as much as you can afford to buy.

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: How big?
« on: June 30, 2010, 03:39:06 am »
Quote from: goodsamaritan on June 29, 2010, 07:34:45 pm
If you switched to raw meat instead of protein shakes you'll save your kidneys and your life.

i see no logic whatsoever.  it's the total grams of protein that stresses kidneys so what does it matter where that protein comes from.

it's a lose-lose situation man.  if you want to be big - you're going to have to die one way or another.

how many 300 pound 80 year olds do you know ?

that's one of the reasons why i want to diet down to 155 lbs - is for health.  the less my bodyweight the less stress on my internal organs.

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: How big?
« on: June 29, 2010, 06:44:10 pm »
Quote from: KD on June 29, 2010, 12:46:16 pm
again I'm not sure what you mean about sucking in your stomach and so forth, i'm just talking about going to the store and such and what peoples impressions might be.

of course you don't know what i'm talking about - that's the entire point :)

yes i am also talking about going to the store.  the people's impressions of your physique ( in the store ) are going to be about 50% a function of your posture.

with the kind of posture you have in the pic they will think you must have gotten run over by a truck at some point in your life and now living with a broken back.  with proper posture they would think you're a pro athlete.

http://www.ultimatehealthprotocol.com/images/Postures.jpg

the diagram one the right is most people.  the diagram on the left is decent but not the limit.  his back could still be straighter, his chest could still go more forward and up and his stomach could still go further in.  note that it is the SAME person in the diagrams.

basically the forces of gravity work to make you look like the diagram on the right.  if you let those forces win you look weak.  if you overcome them you look athletic.

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: How big?
« on: June 29, 2010, 06:13:53 pm »
Quote from: B.Money on June 29, 2010, 12:28:41 pm
What kind of life long injuries are you dealing with now? Hows your blood pressure/cholesterol now?

my rotator cuffs are very weak now because i constantly injured them.  also my hamstring is weak because i once torn it doing sprints.  between the rotator cuffs and the hamstring i can't use high intensity on most exercises any more.

my blood pressure now is borderline high at about 135.  both my parents who are 30 years older than i am have about 100 blood pressure.  my cholesterol is normal now but that doesn't mean that i didn't do permanent damage to my arteries when it was screwed.

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Macadamia nuts
« on: June 29, 2010, 12:13:36 pm »
Quote from: Ioanna on June 29, 2010, 06:30:42 am
i read that hemp seeds must be steamed to be allowed here in order to ensure people aren't going to grow it.

insanity ...

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: How big?
« on: June 29, 2010, 11:50:32 am »
Quote from: B.Money on June 29, 2010, 10:16:57 am
What were your other stats at that time?

my favorite stat at the time was 165 blood pressure from the drugs i was on.  when the nurse at the doctor's office saw this blood pressure in me (a college student at the time) she said her machine must be broken and she would get a new one.  i told her that her machine was fine.  my other favorite stat was HDL cholesterol level off from normal by a factor of 10X.  sometimes i wonder if during those 2 years i did kill myself and simply don't know it yet.

also i remember sometimes my elbows would give me so much pain ( from overuse ) that i would have tears coming out of my eyes.  one day i ended up going home, taking ultram and then finishing my workout while wearing a winter jacket to keep the elbows as warm as possible.

there was some monumental stupidity going on in those days.  my parents tried to stop me but my logic was that i knew much more about fitness than they did so i didn't have to listen to them.

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: How big?
« on: June 29, 2010, 11:27:35 am »
Quote from: KD on June 28, 2010, 12:37:57 pm
I would be curious as well. I don't understand your situation so I won't comment on that, but although your advice sounds appropriate , the weights you list are quite strange. I was around 130-140 with no measurable bodyfat as a fruit eater and it was not a pretty sight at all. I now fluctuate between 160-170, been told I look much bigger than the numbers and am content but there is no way I'm at even an average size. As soon as I have a loose fitting shirt and tight pants I look basically thin. I also have a hard time believing people necessarily see 200lb as freakish, I mean even lean actors can have well over that bodyweight and with fairly little body fat. It might not be the most natural build for all, but certainly appeals to some (women). I don't worry about the girls in this respect, as my build might be appealing as a balance of lean and fit, but I definitely think 10-20 lbs more would look better, although I don't push myself really to get there. I think for many getting in the 150-160 range, no matter how ripped is not going to be the most flattering

assuming it's you in your avatar you should simply work on your posture.

this is proper posture:

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Entertainment/images-3/Arnold-Schwarzenegger-bodybuilding.jpg

if you can maintain proper posture with the back straight, chest out and up and stomach sucked in you don't even need any muscles to look athletic.  once again though, most people don't know how to do it.  it's something you have to work on.


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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: How big?
« on: June 29, 2010, 11:19:00 am »
Quote from: Savage on June 28, 2010, 12:10:32 pm

Why do you say that? Assuming one doesn't take any drugs or eat SAD.


because in the long run all you get from training hardcore is permanent injuries.

you can train a lot - that's fine - just stay moderate and level headed.

it's best not to talk to anybody in the gym and work out alone.  that way you don't have to prove anything to anybody.  you just go about your business and go home.

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: How big?
« on: June 28, 2010, 06:03:15 am »
Quote from: B.Money on June 28, 2010, 01:10:13 am
Have a video of the 30 chins at 215lbs?

no, but this is a pic of me @ 215 lbs from those days:

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/9/l_8d1657c34cccc6583df549a97b82e510.jpg

part of the reason i could do it is 1-T the drug i was on.  unlike most steroids that give you water mass 1-T gives you superhuman power with relatively little mass gain.  too bad its no longer available.

the other reason is i had an excellent mind to muscle connection on that exercise.  95% of people simply don't have the brains that it takes to do chin ups effectively.  chin ups are all about being able to recruit your back muscles efficiently.  i could easily do chins without using my arm muscles AT ALL.  most people could never do this not because their muscles aren't strong enough - but because their brains aren't.

also you have to understand that you can train for size or you can train for power.  i trained for power.  for a workout i would do sets of 5 reps of chins with two 45lb plates hanging on the weight belt.

but in retrospect i regret ALL OF IT.  i wish i had never taken drugs and i wish i had never trained hardcore as i did.  i wish i always trained the way i do now - which is mostly just swim and bike, and do some occasional light lifting.  but mistakes in life are inevitable.

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Possible to be a competitive lifter on RPD?
« on: June 27, 2010, 03:16:22 pm »
Quote from: TylerDurden on June 19, 2010, 06:17:58 pm
Quite frankly, I would be horrified if Schwarzenegger became US president.  I mean, the ruthless way he reached the top re bodybuilding/acting and now governor, is positively frightening.

that's silly.  everybody who reaches the top is ruthless.  either that or they are puppets for somebody else who is ruthless.

you should read my site more often and get enlightened.

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Possible to be a competitive lifter on RPD?
« on: June 27, 2010, 03:09:43 pm »
Quote from: B.Money on June 18, 2010, 04:39:28 am
Hey guys, I am new and kind of testing the waters before making the plunge to becoming a full RPDer. The real question is: Is it possible to eat ENOUGH to be competitive in strength sports? I am talking about Olympic weightlifting and Powerlifting--not general fitness, or body weight strength.

Just a little worried that if I were to make the switch and for whatever reason be unable to eat enough and end up losing a lot of muscle, and strength.

if you want to be huge just take steroids.  

steroids are bad for you but the results are guaranteed.  garbage food is bad for you but the only things it can guarantee are obesity and heart disease.

i may go back to steroids again, but i will never go back to eating crap.

steroids and clean food however cost $$$.  that's the downside.

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: How big?
« on: June 27, 2010, 03:00:55 pm »
Quote from: Josh on June 09, 2010, 05:49:41 pm
I find it hard to decide how big and strong to get. At the moment I'm fairly lean and do mostly bodyweight stuff.

I'm very tempted to start the weights and get big and strong. Not extreme bodybuilder, just functional strength and a good size. It's got a lot of advantages for life in our society. I can't help thinking it's not natural though and will have some bad effects later on.

It looks like our ancestors were runners first and foremost, fairly strong, but mostly lean and fit.

What are your thoughts?

i've been up to 215 lbs fairly solid muscle at 5'10" ( could do 30 chin ups at that weight ).  that was definitely a mistake - i now have stretch marks all over my body - my arms, shoulders, chest, back, even my ass.

now my goal is 155 lbs, but only because its the highest weight i think i can maintain at a low bodyfat given all of the injuries i have accumulated over the years and without any performance enhancing drugs ( no money on that now ).

if i was younger, no injuries, and had the money to spend on steroids i would have aimed for about 180 lbs.

girls will like anything above 130 pounds as long as you have a low bodyfat.  but once you go above 200 pounds or so people begin to see you as a freak, a monster and an idiot.

i would advise you not to set any weight goals but rather simply do classic sports such as running, swimming, olympic lifting etc and let your body decide how it wants to look to adapt to that stress.  if you are genuinely fit you will feel good about yourself, which will give you the confidence and the confidence will get you the girls.  it doesn't matter at what weight that happens.

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Macadamia nuts
« on: June 27, 2010, 02:47:18 pm »
Quote from: Nation on June 27, 2010, 12:20:30 pm
Nuts have nothing to do with raw food unless you pick em from the tree yourself, they're cooked paleo, not raw paleo. If you're gonna eat nuts, you might as well eat a well done steak with your nuts and a glass of pasteurized milk.

i disagree.  it is the dose that makes the poison.  it's one thing to have a glass of wine and another a bottle of vodka.  just because nuts are not 100% raw doesn't put them in the same category as barbecue.

i have to ask though - do SEEDS ( in particular hemp seeds and chia seeds ) undergo the same processing as nuts ?  because hemp seeds and macadamias are the same price where i get them.

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Macadamia nuts
« on: June 27, 2010, 02:41:36 pm »
Quote from: King Salmon on June 27, 2010, 02:19:34 am
  djr, check out these guys and let me know what you think:                     

http://www.rawguru.com/store/raw-food/organic-raw-pine-nuts-1-lb.html

As for me,I haven't eaten pine nuts for a while.My thing is pistachios now.I eat 'em with different varieties of raw organic raisins.I put 'em in a container and much on 'em all day long until I get to my seafood meal or egg smoothie.
Pine nuts are a little "sharp" tasting while pistachios are more mellow.Macadamias are somewhere in between as far as taste and texture.

i was at whole foods today and picked up some raw macadamias.  but the only pistachios they had were roasted and in those shell things.  now the shells might be fun if you're using them as a snack but i want to toss them in a blender.  where do you get yours ? ( raw of course )

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Macadamia nuts
« on: June 26, 2010, 09:36:27 pm »
Quote from: King Salmon on June 26, 2010, 03:22:13 pm
Neurosport: the three you mentioned(walnuts,pecans & hazelnuts) all have a brown skin/covering.Avoid them,they will haunt you.Stick to the best: Macadamias,pistachios and pine nuts.raw organic,of course,is ideal.

i don't think i have tried pistachios.  i should give them a try.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Euphoric effects from cacao
« on: June 26, 2010, 03:12:02 pm »
Quote from: King Salmon on June 25, 2010, 04:29:52 pm
The most "reasonable" description of cacao that I've heard so far is:Cacao is a stimulant Not a food.

note:I've been using cacao in my smoothies,but I will start to tone it down and possibly eliminate it.

yes cacao is a drug.  you can even buy chocamine by itself at certain bulk nutrition websites and get high off of that ( but i haven't tried it - why bother ?  i can just use real cocoa )

i probably eat about a cup of cocoa powder a day in my protein shakes - i really need to slow down lol.

but valrhona chocolate somehow is stronger than even straight cocoa powder.  i don't use it though because its too addictive, too expensive and has sugar in it.

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Macadamia nuts
« on: June 26, 2010, 03:08:34 pm »
Quote from: King Salmon on June 25, 2010, 05:40:38 pm
If you stick to pistachios,macadamias and pine nuts,you should be cool.Those three don't need to be soaked.
The other nuts,usually with a brown skin covering,like almonds are a bitch.They have to be soaked and then they dont even taste good anymore.You wind up spending more energy preparing and "digesting" than what you get in return.Not worth it.
Cashews taste great but they usually have a toxin on them(do the research) and they will reak havoc on your system.

now that i think of it indeed macadamias always go down smooth on me while almonds give me stomach pain.

what do you think about walnuts, pecans and hazelnuts ?

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