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General Discussion / Re: Warming the honey
« on: September 20, 2009, 10:26:03 pm »
  I agree with Lex,  but one can easily get honey out of a tree by using smoke.  I use to keep bees.  Using smoke takes their attention completely away from you, except for maybe a couple of the smarter ones, ouch.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: fat digestibility
« on: September 18, 2009, 11:31:24 am »
 I have reversed my way of eating fat.  I used to follow Bear's recommendations and ate my fat first, then the leaner portions of meat.  This significantly helped with my digestion.  Then I thought about reversing the order.  I now eat the meat first, then the fat.  Both methods give good clear stops as to how much I may need at any sitting.  However, I really believe that eating meat first offers the best chance at having enough HCL to handle the meat.  I also believe this is the way 'we' did it back when.  First ate the flesh near the surface, and after, dug deep for the fat, marrow, brain....
    Also I have found a very wonderful way of eating tough back fat.  I slice into cubes, then put it into a food processor until just small pieces remain, not completely liquified, or turned into a paste.  Then I put it into a wide based bowl and the bowl then gets floated in 115 F water.  I do this while I eat my meat.  Then, some minutes later,  a lot of the liquid has separated from the chunky 'mush' and the rest is most palatable to either eat as is, or further separate  the liquid portion from the solids with my mouth, and if desired, can spit out the fiberous remains.   The liquid is like higher temp rendered fat,  a beautiful golden yellow that is simply delicious.    Enjoy

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Talk about Durian
« on: September 18, 2009, 11:20:18 am »
No, not really,  so I wasn't able to sit in with,  I forget 'his' name, Mr. Burger.  Most of my time was with Nicole.

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Be happy to Michael.  Go on line and look for ferrier files, the ones they use to file down horse hoofs.  Get the best you can find, with a good handle.  You want to get ahold of rib bones.  Ask for them as long as they can provide them; like a foot long.   Take a sharp knife and scrape away any of the remaining meat etc. leaving a clean bone.  Store in fridge or freezer.  Eventually the reddish cartalidge middle will start to smell a little fishy if left for longer than a couple of months in the fridge, hence using the freezer to store long term.    Now to file,  hold straight down into large wooden cutting board and you'll stroke up with the bone against the file.  The material will 'clog' the ribbed file surface, ( the other side of the file is usually sharp bumps, the ribbed section works best) so get a wire brush used for getting rid of rust and run across the file in the direction of the ribs.  Do this right over the cutting board.  Then get a good 3 inch wide paint scraper and gather up the bone dust and scoop into a spoon and eat.  Sorry about the non metric references.  I eat it when I start to get hungry  before my first meal.  It then fills/takes off the hunger edge for me temporarily and then in maybe a half an hour, I get hungry again, and that is when I eat my meat then fat.  I think we need all the acid in our stomachs to digest it, and believe that even though bone has a lot of protein itself, the concentration of mineral leaves your stomach more alkaline in the end, hence not mixing it with meat, so that I don't alkalize the stomach with the bone.  Obviously experiment on your own.  I eat about one or two ribs per week, and feel good about knowing that I am getting all the elements my body needs to build bones.  Bones have such an array of nutrients that go to make them up,  it seems silly to miss out on that offering.   Yes the blood has all essential elements and it does pass through meat/muscle/tissue, but like organs, each part of the body pulls from the blood what it needs.     Feel free if you want further clarification on any of this.   Also I keep the file in the fridge so when I file the bone, it and the grinder are cold and that helps to prevent any heat build up.    I do this a couple of times a day, and like to eat about four tablespoons a day.   Van

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Talk about Durian
« on: September 18, 2009, 03:22:38 am »
  Hey thanks for writing back.  I think we may have more in common that we thought.  I visited for weeks at a time, maybe five to six times, over six years the instincto castle in France.  So obviously I am very well versed in instinctive forms of eating.    I'll always remember watching a mother putting food in front of her baby's face and the baby pushing it away over and over till I wanted to literally go up to the mom and say 'your baby just isn't hungry'.   Well of course, as the story has it, just at that moment the baby found with the next offering, just what it wanted and ravished it down.  And then the whole process started over, with me once again almost going to the mom and saying that she is full and isn't hungry.  And then the baby found just what she wanted and wolfed it down.  This happened maybe my first time there.  It was a very big lesson for me.  Also I 'enjoyed' hearing and witnessing how the children rarely if ever got sick/runny noses etc....   
   Years go by, and here I am.  Now I believe I understand first hand the science, if you will, behind insulin resistance and it's ramifications.    What got me to try low to zero carb was a statement made by a zero carb eater who said that fruit eaters would rather get sick than give up their fruit.  That's all it took for me to look at my attachments, my beliefs, and ideas.   So I made an experiment.  I gave up carbs, knowing that it wasn't going to kill me.  My mind had to go through some pretty thick dogma to get to the other side.  And my body had to go through some equally rough times to Keto adapt and to learn to use fat as fuel source.     All I can say is that from that experiment I have now truthfully witnessed both sides of at least one equation.   If you might be interested in reading some very well written words about the effects of insulin from eating carbs, may I suggest the writings of Dr. Ron Rosedale.  I think he is most sincere in his efforts.   We all have our own paths.

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Health / Re: Severe diarrhea
« on: September 17, 2009, 12:43:45 pm »
Don't know when and how much carrot and celery you're ingesting, but it can be most alkalizing to the stomach which for someone new to this way of eating, will need all the acid the stomach can produce to digest your meat.  I would give it up for a while, or drink no more than 4 or 5 ounces and make sure it's not after eating or at least an hour before having meat.  Carrot juice is loaded with sugar.  Celery you can chew and spit out the pulp quite easily and hence stop when your body has told you that it doesn't want any more celery.  Otherwise you can be drinking something your body doesn't want or need and not know it because the sweetness of the carrot juice is masking any signs of a "stop".    Aujonus has some pretty out of the ordinary regimins that not many here follow let alone think make much sense.  So in the long run you'll have to follow your own gut should you take on his advice.  But if you do,  I would know exactly what it is he wants you to do to the tee.  Otherwise you'll be trying this and that all day long trying to second guess what intuition he may have for you.  It is so easy to think our way from meal to meal with a little bit of 'knowledge'.  And consequently,   get very lost in the sea of possibilities.    But one thing,  only eat when hungry, and drink when thirsty.  Don't let your head lead the way.

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as regards to the bones not being a food.  Think about the animals that 'we' would have eaten when there weren't  New York and rib eyes on every corner.  Smaller animals like birds of all kinds, rabbits, mice, insects.  All of which would have been eaten in their entirety.  The inuit were even reported to chew on the ends of rib bones and eat fish bones.  Every other carnivore eats some to a lot of the bones of it's prey.  Tigers and lions don't just kill zebras, they also eat smaller prey which they then consume their bones with the meat.  Just watch a house cat eat a bird or mouse.  We tend to be the only carnivore or omnivore that doesn't for some reason eat bones 'today'.    When fresh rib bones are ground finely,  the taste is very pleasing, almost something I look forward to.       Simply my take and experience here.

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Talk about Durian
« on: September 16, 2009, 11:42:17 pm »
HI,  I was using the word fasting only to say that Durian was all I really wanted.    I thought you were a raw low carb eater?  What I was indicating is that now that I have been zc for a couple of years I wonder how I (my body) would do with a food (durian) that creates such a high insulin response (from the high amounts or sugars/carb).  It's also an almost unique fruit in that it's fat and sugar content are both high.  Some write that that is good, in that the fat slows down the sugars entering the blood, others write that the fat fruit diet is one of the worst combinations.    But from what you wrote, it appears you are not interested in insulin responses from foods you eat?    I don't believe I am addicted to meat,  although, now, there isn't much that does my body as good, ( and of course it's complimentary fat).   But that's me, at this time in my life.    Hopes this helps clarify things. 

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Hot Topics / Re: Weston-Price conspiracy poll
« on: September 14, 2009, 09:48:57 am »


 Right.  I should have added that my grandmother and her father lived to 100 and 105.  And I doubt very seriously that they abused their bodies like I did with all the health fads I went through, which primarily were cleansing diets loaded with fruits and juices.  They kept moderation in place and grew up with whole foods.  Thus I come back to insulin resistance.  That resistance can be brought on at a very young age due to diet.  Everyone is different, and everyone develops Insulin resistance at a different rate.   Just one factor, though. 

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Talk about Durian
« on: September 14, 2009, 03:10:07 am »
Iguana,  I too have fasted on Durians.  Most addicting.  But after going zero carb now for a couple of years,  I wonder how I would fare with eating a food with such an insulin demand?  What are your thoughts? if any. 

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Hot Topics / Re: Weston-Price conspiracy poll
« on: September 14, 2009, 03:07:46 am »
  I am sure we all have read that the zero carbers are proclaiming their health improvements due to mostly quieting the insulin yoyo and hence allowing the body to normalize due to the absence of hormonal swings and the fallout from those swings.  Thus it is most interesting to me the research that goes on regarding longevity as directly related to keeping insulin in check.  There are volumes written about just that.  It was hard for me to move close let alone even read that literature when I was eating my share of raw carbs.  The word dissonance applies.     My opinion is that a great amount of overall healing can occur when the body isn't subjected to constant hormonal stress.  Thus whether one eats cooked or grainfed, (except for the imbalance of fatty acids)  that healing can still occur on a hormonal level.    But then there's long term.  I am really interested to see in ten  or so years the state of health claimed by Charles.   And I am just as interested to see the state of health of someone who maintains a high fruit diet or subjects themselves to insulin demands for years and years; as I have done.  For the literature all point to eventual insulin resistance being the real culprit.    Let me know if I haven't written with enough clarity to express myself clearly.

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 I wish I could tell you.  Have looked on the net to no avail.  But I do know that there is plenty of calcium, and the red portion in the rib bone is full of cartalidge.  I have also read that the Magnesium stores are deeper in the bone.   Bone is also protein.   The part I like about bone is that the trace minerals we need to make or keep healthy bones, like boron, etc, is in bone.  If anyone ever finds a good nutritional breakdown of various bones, I would love to see it.

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General Discussion / Re: How you keep your food short-term?
« on: September 11, 2009, 10:31:13 am »
Hanging meat is ideal.  Using a Stainless wire rack also works.  I get my meat in vac. sealed bags, so they keep for at least a month just fine in the fridge.  I always rinse and scrub under warm water to get plastic residue off of meat.  Eggs, like Tyler, I keep on the counter unrefridgerated. 

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Journals / Re: PaleoPhil's Journal
« on: September 11, 2009, 10:28:45 am »
an increase of fat can help.  Most of a stool from a carb eater is bacteria

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Journals / Re: A day in the life of TylerDurden
« on: August 31, 2009, 10:15:15 pm »
  It's not cold processed.  I have called the processing company.  they won't tell me what temps it has seen, but will tell you heat has been used.

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  I am not so sure about kicking out parasites with a 'natural diet'.  Animals in the wild have them all the time; like deer etc..   Although it may be their immunity to them lessened as in during the lean months of the year contributes to the cycle. 

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Health / Re: Constant paranoia and anxiety with zero carb
« on: August 28, 2009, 10:36:26 am »
  I agree with Ioanna.  Your anxiety may have always been there, but you may have numbed it with carbs.  I have done that.  Anxiety for me now is directly related to an (unconscious?) unwillingness to be completely present.  So,,,, go into it, have fun with it, get to know it well.   You may also need a little more fat if you're eating too much protein, which can also cause excess insulin spikes. 

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Primal Diet / Re: GOING TO MEET AAJONUS ON MONDAY
« on: August 28, 2009, 04:56:22 am »
  I certainly have heard the good and the bad about him; with the good outweighing the bad.    But the egg thing?  He has to know that hardly anyone is going to be able to find eggs that aren't a direct product of chickens eating gobs of corn and soy to maintain profitable production/egg laying rates.  Don't get it.  And then there's the forcing something down your throat when presumably the body is screaming   'I don't want anymore'.  But then maybe he really does know something.  I have heard this egg prescription over and over.  ????

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General Discussion / Re: Mucous??
« on: August 28, 2009, 04:51:26 am »
  I too go through periods when there is mucous.  Tend to think it is mostly the animal I've eaten.  I know when I was eating bison raised in Wisconsin, buying fresh, that close to winter I encountered mucous.  They were being fed hay that admittedly by the owners had mold.  Also grain fed beef, even though I have never touched it, could be a problem.  And I would go farther and say I would bet a lot that it would be a problem for some.  Then there's elimination.  Raw proteins are strong cleansers, much more than raw carbs like fruit or vegetable juices.  And then I think we get more sensitive as we get healthier.  Our bodies recognize and try to get allergens out of our system with mucous.  So it might not be a 'bad' thing.   But best suggestion, find healthy animals eating lots of green green grass.

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Hot Topics / Re: Study on harmful effects of cooked low carb diets
« on: August 26, 2009, 02:56:41 am »
another factor which apparently has great effects is the type of fat and protein used.  Often in these studies highly oxidized fats will be used as well as protein isolates.  Had the mice been fed live or recently killed naturally grown insects, which are naturally low in carbs,  I would give value to the study. 

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   I for years now grind cow and bison rib bones into powder.   I eat about one rib bone a week in the  form of powder.  If interested, I could tell you how 'I' do it.

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Hot Topics / Re: Shampoooo!
« on: August 19, 2009, 01:18:56 pm »
  if the water is hard,  the minerals will bind with the baking soda, and your hair won't be as soft or shiny.   Years ago, I used to follow up with sticking my head under the RO water spicket in the kitchen sink and massage gently for a minute or two.  Amazingly soft and shiny.  Vinegar or lemon juice will do a similar thing.

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General Discussion / Re: Mucus & phlegm?
« on: August 19, 2009, 01:07:16 pm »
  If the chickens are eating grains, than you can look there.  Also mixing eggs with fruits, as many do,  can cause similar effects.

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Hot Topics / Re: Shampoooo!
« on: August 12, 2009, 09:59:17 am »
Ionna what could be unhealthy about hot showers?  Ok,  maybe if you alternated hot and cold you'd get more circulation going, but at the expense of enduring cold water.  Just offering my support, hot showers, yum, enjoy.

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Hot Topics / Re: Shampoooo!
« on: August 11, 2009, 09:01:05 am »
  For well over twenty years i have only used baking soda.  Don't worry about abrasiveness....  Place a couple of teaspoons in wet hands and rub into wet hair. work  it into the hair and scalp evenly, and let sit for five minutes. Then use your finger tips to massage the scalp.  Rinse with luke warm water, not hot, to prevent stripping of too much oil.  Rinse very well.   Inbetween washings, rinse well with warm water massaging scalp.  Soaps clog up sebum glands and cause hair loss  and all sorts of problems for some, me included.    Also washing with baking soda under arms and any where else really works so well at preventing any body odor. 

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