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Journals / Re: Lex's Journal
« on: October 06, 2009, 10:04:56 pm »
what was the conclusion of lex's high fat 80-20 experiment? I find it fascinating reading this whole journal, but I'm curious.

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General Discussion / Re: Tell me about Suet
« on: September 22, 2009, 06:41:38 pm »
I buy it from farmers markets or markets, but have to ask them to specially ask the slaughter house to reserve it as they normally throw it away. Usually you (I) have to pay next to nothing, and so end up buy some of their regular meat to keep everyone happy.

It is the fat around the kidneys of the cow, of which there is quite alot! Fat is an important source of calories (not to mention everything else good about raw fat) for the primitive eater. Marrow (in the bones) and hide fat (which is self explainatory) are the other 2 main sources, but suet is the easiest I think to remove when butchering, and so the easiest for people to get.

It lasts a very long time in the fridge (ive had mold growing on it one, but i am 99% sure its actually residual meat on the fat not the actual suet) which is great. People who travel sometimes make a processed food called 'pemmican' using suet (or i suppose any other fat) and dried meat. Check out lex rookers manual on it (awesome), although it is not raw, and more used for travelling or when you can get anything else i suppose (or storage).

I like to warm my suet up a little to kind body temperature in some warmish water, it becomes absolutely deliscious. Other people just take it out of the fridge for a while to take the chill off.

Ermm, all i can think of. People like lex used a ratio of 150g meat a day and 150g of suet I think, which works out at about    600cal pro, 1350cal fat, not sure about %'s but the idea is basically eat a moderate amount of protein and the rest from fat.

Some people also suppliment their diets with wild, seasonal fruit and some other vegetation like samphire.

Anyways do some reading, this site is actually the fount of all things you could possibly want to know!


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Journals / Re: Ramblings of a madman...
« on: September 21, 2009, 07:44:09 am »
Dairy is very fattening, and kind of additive.

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Off Topic / Re: The social side of you?
« on: September 21, 2009, 07:19:57 am »
Maybe try being coy about it, he might find it odd but cute.

"I know your going to think I'm a bit weird but.....I once tried this raw meat/fruit diet. It made me feel really great, so I actually ended up sticking to it, and actually found the meat and fat was really great for me! Just think steaks, but extra blue :). After all the inuits do it, and so did man for thousands of years........Do you think thats weird?

He might be really curious, and if he sees how healthy you are and think its quite interesting.... Charm him Ioanna!

Anyway the point is is that there are a billion guys out there, many of which you will have chemistry with. You may as well not be shy and start playing with it to see peoples reactions, You'll never learn if you dont experiment huh?

Ultimately you will learn how to use it as a strength, but only if you give yourself a chance.

Come one girlie, you remember how great it feels to face your fears. :)

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Off Topic / Re: The social side of you?
« on: September 21, 2009, 06:28:32 am »
I was thinking about this today. I went out with my brothers, one whos a little older and one whos alot alot older (and his friend). I ended up compremising by ordering the roast beef, but with a double helping of the beef. I also asked for it to be rare.

When i ordered i actually created a little (yet all in good humour) scene by saying I didnt want any veg, yorkshire pudding, or potatoes, and just wanted meat. The waitress and my bro were kinda messing with me about how I wanted to bulk up on protein and said something about how I could always buy some protein powder at the shops and have that! Hahaha  >:

:)

Anyway, so i end up getting the usual plate (with extra beef) so the others can eat my veg etc. Of course by this point (while we wait) they all look at me as to say 'errrr explain!?'. "Well you know when i got ill travelling....bla bla bla....Took and interest in my health....yada yada yada......history of human diet...."

I loose my bros friend my this point, and the younger of the 2 brothers has already heard it all before. So i explain, and surprising my brother is actually remarkably interested. Well i thought, hmm, didnt see that coming.

Anyway i guess the point is its not always as ackward as you expect. Sure when i was ordering it was little 'spotlightish', and things would have been even weirder if i was trying to order a raw steak, but once I explained more than just, "I like raw meat" (and give them a slightly odd look) everything makes more sense and people understand.

So there we go. Oh, and also, since I started getting my energy/groundedness back (which ill have to do a thread on) I was so much more confident I really didnt feel that uncomfortable being in the spotlight. Which felt great - and which i owe TO this lifestyle.

But this is just an account of one day - I cant help but feel this subject is quite large, as the majority of our society are carb/cooking addicts, and a big part of socializing is through that medium  (or rather AS carby/cooked people).  I am finding myself becoming more and more balanced, yet that sometimes mean I am less attracted to societies norms, like things that are unrelated to food (yet maybe related) for example....possessions.

People care soo much about stuff, maybe it is a result of being on a up and down mentality.

We will see.

ps. i know my rambling form of the english language is nearly unreadable, but i no longer really bother with pouring over the details like the obsessive i used to be!I hope you get the gist, and  IOANNA keep in touch about this because this is something that really interests me.)

pps. I wonder what my new girlfriend will say! shes back in a day, will let you know.... :)

ppps. Ioanna, one other thing, if you do ever mention it to a bf or friend, ive learnt in life not to make a big deal out of things like this. Like today I didnt really need to explain in detail about why, I could have just been a bit lighter hearted about it. Play with it, and if people see how healthy you are and are genuinely curious they will ask, and you can tell them. But i guess just say what you mean which is i guess something like, "Because it makes me feel good". :) all the best.

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Off Topic / Natural bedding - any suggestions for an alternative to a bed?
« on: September 21, 2009, 06:00:28 am »
Im re-decorating my very brightly coloured london bedroom as the colours are finally getting to me!

It will be fun experimenting with some homemade clay and starch paint.

I wanted to try sleeping on the floor, but I dont think the rock hard planks of the floor are going to be as nice to sleep on as the earth/grasses/leaves etc outside. Therefore I was looking for a natural material that would be a nice alternative, considering my girlfriend would really raise an eyebrow if i started bringing that sort of stuff inside to sleep on! :D

I thought of natural rubber, but didnt like the idea of sleep next to latex (dont know why, just slightly odd stuff given that people can be allergic to it no?) and I also considered bamboo matts but they are only a few mm's thick. Hmm.

Maybe a nice thick wool blanket? Hmm.

I remember hearing some guys saying they just throw down a blanket and thats it, which is great - but I cant help that think maybe thats a little too 'hard' (however is probably a lot better than much much too soft like beds).

So what are you primative (yet indoor) sleeping habits/materials?

Thanks guys!

(ps just found a site called paleoplanet which is alot of fun! :D Maybe we could meld the two and make a super duper paleo site!!  :D)

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Health / Re: Severe diarrhea
« on: September 17, 2009, 06:53:58 am »
I really have little experience/knowledge compared with some of the other guys/gals on here, but if that was me i'd stop all the nut, fruit, eggs and just eat small amounts of raw meat with some fat. You know to get the best source to minimise unwanted bacteria at the slaughterhouse etc, and think about getting bigger joints of meat as oppose to mince which has a larger surface area exposed in the processing. I think you are overloading your body. As a last resort (again if it was me) i would lightly cook the outside of the meat by for example dipping it in boiling water for 10 seconds or so in case it is a contaminated source - something you usually dont have to worry about buying meat from trusted farmers.

But my gut says you have to give you body a break - your body overloaded. Eat sensible, simple meals of some meat and some animal fat - drink water when thirsty.

Things like eating an egg every hour for a day just sounds crazy, and drinking loads of lime juice - ya know? I think you need to stop those kind of 'detox' things and let nature run its course.

Listen to what other older and wisers have to say too.

David

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Hello
« on: September 05, 2009, 08:20:32 am »
There is a 'zero carb' forum with about a thousand members and the vibe is that going 'cold turkey' you feel low on energy and a bit rubbish for around 3 weeks, and then things start balancing back.

:)

Not 100% sure how significant the ideas on people recent ancestors were, but hey maybe im missing something! :)

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General Discussion / Re: Tongue
« on: August 31, 2009, 10:52:21 am »
cant wait to try tongue raw! tried it cooked and it was seriously weird!! (but i still really liked it! even the sandpaper rough surface was kinda fun!)

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Journals / Re: Pacific Northwest here i come!
« on: August 31, 2009, 10:49:59 am »
WWOOOOOW amazing pics! the salmonberry is incredible! as is the river photo! also, you look great mate, amazing in fact! Getting out there, getting suck in! So strong and healthy! :) aaaa makes me happy to see pics like that, I cant wait to earn enough to migrate from the big city of london. good boy!!

david, 22, london

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General Discussion / Re: 'Cooked Meat Paleo' to 'Raw Meat Paleo'
« on: August 31, 2009, 10:45:48 am »
Ive noticed one massive problem with the way i got about things. Hunger. You have to be really hungry, and out of the cycle of usual eating. I really find having food whenever i want not quite right. Wait a while, and its funny how real hunger resets things.

Anyways, thats with me anyway. :)

(ex. having a fridge full of raw meat whenever you are the slightest bit hungry didnt work for me, but when i worked for it - amazing!! :) )

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same, warm. mmmm :) enjoy!

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Health / Re: Constant paranoia and anxiety with zero carb
« on: August 28, 2009, 07:15:17 am »
Interesting. Thanks guys. This support is so much help.

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Health / Constant paranoia and anxiety with zero carb
« on: August 28, 2009, 06:46:16 am »
If anyone has any experience of paranoia and anxiety when on zc, please let me know - if it is just a phase, or perminate.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Heelo All
« on: August 25, 2009, 07:58:52 am »
yeah that works. good fight mate. that last punch just completely shows you why you protect your chin huh?

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Ultimate Martial Arts
« on: August 22, 2009, 05:17:56 pm »
Nicely put mate - i think that makes alot of sense.

I didnt mean fatal in a kind of 1 hit punch explosion like fist of the north star! Just like you said, things that would render someone completely vunerable, like gouging someones eye out, or punching them in the neck.

But as I said, well put.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Heelo All
« on: August 22, 2009, 08:25:21 am »
coool mma fighter. let us know how you do. Yeah the changes are cool to go through huh!

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General Discussion / Re: palatable and safe raw food
« on: August 22, 2009, 08:20:27 am »
I'll leave you guys to the eggs, you've said everything I could add anyway :)

d leh - I found that good quality raw beef meat in the form of a big piece, thats grass fed and from as close to the farmers as possible (for example farmers markets) is a great way to start. Ask them for some suet, which is the fat, and maybe warm it just a little before you eat it. Everything at room temp, or a little warm.

Eat that for a few weeks, meat and fat in the suggested ammounts (read this forum there is alot of info), to get used to things. A little s+p, sprinkle of chilli powder maybe. Whatever. Then when your body is getting used to things, be adventurous. When you find a good supplier, dont be scared, buy some raw liver and eat a mouthful! You probably wont like it! I hated raw kidney the first time, then I got some from this great farmer and it was amaaazzzzing! I think whole meat is easier to get used to then mince.

So yeah, meat, and fat - a little warmed perhaps. :) Like they said before!

Then raw liver.....kidneys....heart!......oyseters......marrow......mmmmm


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Primal Diet / Re: GOING TO MEET AAJONUS ON MONDAY
« on: August 22, 2009, 08:02:46 am »
Why do you want to consult this guy ?
You have already found by yourself the foods that cures you. Do you believe that he knows your body better than you ?
Don't you trust your own experience ?

I definately agree with this, but it doesnt hurt to hear him out. And yeah, maybe thank him for pointing you in the right direction like GS very nobly pointed out :)

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Ultimate Martial Arts
« on: August 22, 2009, 07:41:18 am »
Hey tyler,

Thought this account might interest you with regards to Ninjutsu.

My much older half brother is friends with an man who is highly trained in a rediculous number of martial arts including ninjutsu. He has been involved in martial arts for 20+ years I think he said, and earns money working as a martial arts trainer for films. If I remember correctly he said that there were very few schools left (i seem to remember anywhere from 1 to 5 maybe), that teach the true martial art of ninjutsu of which he was particularly proud and fortunate enough to be a pupil of for a number of years, gaining the highest level of respect/skill. I seem to remember his teacher being someone rather important. As I said, the man had gained the highest level in this school, and we were amazed when he described what was required of him in order to do this. I remember him describing how he had to sit cross legged on the floor with his back to his teacher. His teacher would creep towards in near silence him and strike, and he was to counter! Needless to say after finding out the history and skill of this man my brother and I barely left him alone all night. The accounts were incredible.

He did say I seem to remember that despite being highly accomplished in all these different ma's, I remember him being highly qualified in karate for one, he said that he without a doubt he held ninjutsu in the highest of regards. I think it was the shear directness that he appreciated; the fastest most efficient responce to a situtation. He said that however it was an art formulated to kill, and as such all the blows usually were intended to be fatal, or incredibly damaging. It required him to be highly efficient and adaptable at using anything in his surrounds as a weapon to kill, and the surroundings themselves to his advantage. Day or night, all must be drawn upon. He said it also took tremendous ammounts of discipline. It is impossible to correctly identify a martial art as being truely superior, it is of course how the individual uses it - but Ninjutsu, when taught correctly, sounded absolutely deadly.

I would be more than happy to track him down if you ever wanted to speak to him first hand.



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Health / Re: errm, i think i got pinworms from travelling...
« on: August 14, 2009, 03:32:15 pm »
hmm interesting. Lets see if high fat and no sugar kill it off this yeast. Hm, should I avoid eating liver - given its sugaryness?

And what was your experience with the Humaworm and barefoot things GS? Im scared its not good for someone to take these things!

But perhaps this is just a strange 'die off' reaction, and my knickers are in a twist. Very possible.

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Health / errm, i think i got pinworms from travelling...
« on: August 14, 2009, 04:17:23 am »
...itchy butt, sleeplessness, worst at night, all the symptoms....

Dont want to take drugs, anyone have any experience?

hehe, thanks!


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Health / Re: My 8 year old son has been diagnosed with tuberculosis
« on: August 11, 2009, 06:34:33 am »
If I had TB I would use my Paleo diet as a support of conventional treatment, rather than a replacement. I do best on raw wild or pasture-fed meats and fats and water, but there's no guarantee that he would too. Children are an especially difficult situation. You should discuss what you can with the doctor, however, if you mention raw meat I'm thinking he might consider whether he should take the child away from you, so this is a difficult quandary. So I don't have any answers, just some thoughts and questions that I hope spark some of your own.

"If I had TB I would use my Paleo diet as a support of conventional treatment, rather than a replacement"

I forgot this very important point, and stupidly assumed this as generally agreed upon.

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Hot Topics / Re: Shampoooo!
« on: August 11, 2009, 02:47:29 am »
I have the impression that certain things like hot water and shampoo strip the natural oils that protect your hair. In doing so (again this is the impression I have) your glands in responce produce an excess. This seems to perpetuate a cycle. When one stops stripping the oil, the hair will naturally be greasier/oiler than when in normal balance. When left alone, things will return to normal - but remember that the hairs natural condition is, with a certain (not excessive) ammount of oil.

One of course might slowly dillute the shampoo to make the process gradual and less severe.

I dont use shampoo - i have very short hair as I annoyingly shaved my head again on a whim (doh).
If I had lovely long hair, I appreciate that although our double lives result in us eating raw this and that, and reaping the benefits of paleo living - sometimes we have to sit in board rooms, or class rooms, or who no-ones where that might be very nice, tidy and sweet smelling. If I was so inclined to be a little sqeakier than my body's natural state - than i might yes, i might, go ahead and use a tiny winsy bit of diluted 'shampoo'.

The real question would be what to use.....

:)
 

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Hot Topics / Re: Why NOT low carb?
« on: August 11, 2009, 02:28:45 am »
counting carbs? the point is that paleo man had access to very little in the way of carbs. Why not low carb? Because it takes a period of time to adjust to, during which you feel a little down - which might negatively affect an event of significance/importance during that period.

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