Nicola, the link that you provided, is that meant for all blood, or a particular animal?

What's the deal with drinking blood? Anyone experimented?   

    I have not drank blood.  Have you experimented much yet, davidg?

    I climb, run, walk, leap and so on, no new cars here.  Great! (-:

    You are so full of information.  You did eat the thyroid raw?

Hi, Tyler.  The site is active again now.  Private invitation is required, so if someone read We Want to Live and is practicing Primal Diet, shoot me a line, and I'll invite you.

   Hi William, I do find staying far away from carbohydrates and having plenty of raw fat around does help.  I haven't really eaten pemmican yet.  I'm kind of scared of it.  I like raw food.  I think it works better for me.

    I have tried Dr Bernarr DC's ways, consulted with him, et al.  He probably has helped many people, but his ways did not work for us, nor I assume for many others.  Has he gotten into food now?  Is he practicing dry fasting?  What's his weekly caloric intake recommendations of recent?  Has his particular energy medicine ideas helped you?

There is always http://www.healself.org/. It works.

reyyzl, it gets rid of carb addiction by replacing carbs with fat. No cravings for me.
Pemmican is just powdered very dried beef mixed with tallow. Keep it simple.

    Hi Yuri,  reading all you went through and seeing your recovering is inspiring that to continue to try everything possible even with whatever limitations each of anyone has, we may get 'there'  eventually.  Besides myself, my family shows no interest in raw foods nor paleo.  I have gotten one to try unpasteurized Amish butter and unheated honey on the skin, which worked so well and so caused only smiles and healing, but that's it, no more using it since that time several weeks ago.

    Are you doing well Yuri?  Sorry I haven't been around lately.  Warm wishes to you (-:  What did you do for the holidays?  We miss you on the boards, I do.

Have you considered the pemmican+liver+water diet?

Might be dangerous for you because of the three weeks of lethargy, and your extreme reaction to lack of sweet, but the problem seems to stem from carbohydrate addiction. - by William on 10-23

    That gets rid of carbohydrate addiction?  How so?  Do you have good pemmican recipes?

Thanks for everyones opinion. Its an interesting discussion.

I dont think genetics play an important role. Genes only decide which disease a person gets upon interaction with toxins and the polluted environment.

Unfortunately, the human body is too complicated. But its indeed suspicious why the rates in Japan is so much higher than other countries.

To summarize, i do hope and believe that the reasons for that is

1) Japanese takes alot of rice polished from Talc
2) They also take alot of smoked, broiled meat

I hope the reason is not raw fish because im starting to include raw fish in my diet.
I hope God doesnt punish us for eating raw

    Which God?  My God created raw and doesn't like fire all that much.  Fire helps destroy very often.  God creates.  My God is not sadistic, punitive nor mean.  Raw meat eating helps heal stomach ulcers.  How on Earth would it go from there to cancer?  I read it was salty miso, salty tamari and the like that makes their diet more stomach cancer causing, not God punishing them.  I'm sorry, but your reasoning is not computing well with me just yet.

I agree that raw food is nearly always better digested than cookd ood. However, some RAFers have claimed that those who are severely deficient in some minerals might even have a few problems eating raw animal food, at first.

    I had practically no digestive ability for anything I was trying to eat before trying RAFs.  Even so, I've had no problem digesting raw skin, raw tendon, etc.

There is plenty of proof that raw paleo works, blood work has been done, however modern medicine lives in a world of its own, and has faith.
Tough luck for those who depend on it.

I did AV's recommended protocol, didn't work.
And the juice tasted bad. I trust my sense of taste more than any mortal man.

    Very tough luck for those who depend on it.  I know.  I don't try to prove it to myself.  I already know it's healthy.  That's why I started eating this way.  I already feel many results and look much better.  I try to appease my family.  They're sure high fat RAFs will do harm to my health.

    Most juices I cannot stand the flavors of.  I was lucky.  Aajonus not knowing me from a hole in the wall did my consult and recommended juices and fruit that I happen to love and no others.  Which ones did he recommend to you?  I was a member of the primaldiet ning group, and it seemed he recommended individual protocols to each and every member there (except the few who never read his book nor tried to go for a consult).  I apologize for sounding like he recommends the same exact flavors of juice every time.  In the ning group some people he recommended to only suck tomatoes, spread coconut cream on their lips or other things for thirst, I don't recall.  He did not prescribe any tomatoes nor coconut to me, which is good, I don't even like those plant foods.     

    I am happy to be here at RawPaleoForum.  I am just learning now.  I'm not paleo yet.  I have a so-called wine glass of raw milk in my hand with a teaspoon of unheated honey.  I am interested in trying paleo, I just don't know enough yet to feel like starting.

I have a bucket of honey because of the advice of AV, but no longer use any.
Never much liked the taste with meat, and digesting sweets/carbohydrates depletes potassium so can trigger heart problems. It also helps bad micro-organisms grow (candida).

I don't use medical tests for anything, since I learned that they don't test for intra-cellular minerals, and the normal blood tests then are deceptive.

    AV also recommends drinking about two quarts of fresh celery parsley zucchini juice every day.  Maybe his greens get rid of candida threats and potassium deficiency threats.

    Yes, medical tests are stupid and they take our blood and test it on rabbits and sheep (one's that have to be slaughtered just for this).  The laboratories have too many plastics and other stuff that's bad for the environment at their disposal.  But, if we show lab results as evidence, we may get somewhere with enough proof to put charlatan so called 'healers' a step lower than they are living now.

Welcome to the forum! By the way, could you provide an address for this Primal Diet "Ning" group. It's always interesting to find other RAF groups around - that way I can post links for such sites on this and other RAF forums.

  Thank you for the welcome Tyler and livingthe life!

    It was http://www.primaldiet.ning.com .  It is inactive right now, due to lack of an available appropriate long term available moderator.  It's a private group.  Since I'm on Aajonus' email list, he sent me an invitation when the group opened.

    Livingthelife, yes, the primal diet help me immensely.  I'm off all medications.  My body is more flexible.  My pain is gone.  I feel serene most of the time.  I can deal with things better.  My anti-bodies have come way down.  The diet is really helping a lot. 

I agree with you that some of the writers on beyondveg.com are more biased than others but please note that the guy who wrote the article about cooked food vs. raw food is a different person than the one who wrote about his experiences with the instincto diet. I don't think the article based on his experience with instinctive eating is very biased.

It is true that instinctive diets tend to have very high amounts of fruit but how come the individuals on the instinctive diet eating a lot of raw meat (and hence less fruit) experienced these skin tumors that is what I don't understand.

I take it none of you long-time raw meat eaters haven't experienced anything similar?

I just want to make sure I'm doing the right thing with my diet as I'm slowly transitioning into more raw meat.

    About seven months into me doing the primal diet 100%, I was going through so much unavoidable outside stress (it wasn't the diet's fault, everyone around was even telling me I was amazing doing so much strength endurance etc and with no sleep at that etc), but I wound up eating something off the diet, pickled herring with onions.  Then I'm not sure, I didn't write it down, but I think I ate something else, maybe a pancake.  Anyway, I got two skin lumps right away, and a crazy swelling on a lymph node.  I only showed the two lumps to my chiropractor, plus another lump I have from six years earlier.  He told me what each one was (each had a different term or name from the others).  None were malignant according to him.  The node went down quickly to how it was before I ate those things (that node popped up about eight years earlier to that stress and herring date too).  The three lumps haven't given me any problems.  They're small, and look like nothing really, but when I touch them, they feel strange, like..fiberous?  I haven't gotten any additional to those.  Otherwise, I've done a lot of healing, in those area of my body too.

    When the first lump popped up during that stress herring time, I was eating dairy.  When the other lumps pupped up, I was not (barely even eggs mostly only beef).  I returned to eating dairy most days after that stress was finished.

If blood has all that salt, then why is salt toxic - as Dr. AV claims???

http://www.fineli.fi/food.php?foodid=794&lang=en

Nicola

    AV teaches people to drink liters of celery, cucumber, parsley juice every day and and use lots lots of dairy products.  Dairy has sodium in it, grassfed milk in Summer has a salty taste (to me).  The above juice often used has sodium and chlorine in it naturally, right?  To me that translates to sodium chloride which is the same molecules in table salt.  I believe his point is not to avoid salt, but to avoid it in crystal form, but to get the same nutrients in organic form from raw food.  I never heard of AV telling people to drink blood, but then he doesn't need to with the juice and milk.  That's my understanding for now.