What does pancrease taste like?

Japanese natto is extremely high in K2, much much higher than cheese.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/353239-foods-rich-in-vitamin-k2/

And please briefly give the reasons why  a food item is good for bone health.

I think SALMON is good for bone health because each 4 oz. serving provides 264.7% DV of vitamin D.

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=104

Inger, what about "old-fashioned" home telephones and CD players? What about cordless home telephones? Do they have high EFM?

Thanks, Tyler.

And thanks, Jessica and all others who contributed answers to my questions.

Thanks to all who responded. Thanks for helping me ponder upon  these questions and find answers.

William's argument raises my question: Why does pure fat or high-fat food (even in the raw state) contain so much AGE?

Butter (23340 KU per 100grams)
Raw cashews (2723)
avocado (1577)
Raw pumpkin seeds (1853)
Raw sunflower seeds (2510)
Mayonnaise (9400)
Extra virgin olive oil (10040)

   I don't think raw fruits and raw vegetables are "bad" per se, I just don't think they should be consumed in large quantities without any raw animal foods.

AGE = protein + glucose

Animal foods have much protein.  So, animal foods + fruit/vegi = protein + glucose = AGE

Raw fruit and raw greens or other low-calorie vegi contain little protein. So how come raw fruit/vegi consumed without animal foods could result in a large amount of AGEs?

joy why does there have to be a source of carbs that is better?  why cant the answer be that the lack of carbs is better.  its such an american idea that there always has to be a better option of something that doesnt really work, like chemically laden low fat this and carb free that food subsitutes.  sometimes to heal and for health we have to take an element away from the equation.

Jessica, the problem is that I feel I aged at an unusual rate this past year when I mostly consumed low-carb raw animal foods. The first four months I ate high-fat and was in ketosis. (Granted, I ate much raw cheese which might be a big mistake.)  The second half of the year I ate more protein, without any dairy. Neither appeared to bring obvious health benefits.
Maybe some people such as I  just need fruit/vegi.

Advanced Glycation End products refer to glucose+protein , and what happens to it. There is no source of that nasty stuff in any fat  or its component EFAs that I know of.

So when I saw in the list that butter, which has no glucose or anything else to glycate is high in AGEs, I assumed that this is junk science.

Interesting idea. Will any science mind respond to this?

I would look at starchy raw root crops as staples.

Now I recall RPD allows raw root crops.
BTW, what is the reason that raw root crops are considered good for health?

Ck, Tyler, Jessica, many thanks.


This statement is in the article Tyler cited: 
"the omnivores (Traditional) actually consumed a little more carb (saccharides) each day than did the vegetarians (Alternative), but not enough to reach significance. What the vegetarians ate more of in significant amounts were fruits and vegetables, giving them a significantly increased intake of fructose....When researchers measured levels of carboxymethyllysine, an glycation product that represents a general marker of oxidative stress and long-term damage of proteins in aging, atherosclerosis and diabetes     it was found to be significantly elevated in vegetarians as compared to omnivores. Fluorescent AGEs are basically a direct measurement of AGEs in the blood....Fluorescent AGEs were also significantly higher in the vegetarians."

So what are we supposed to conclude from this?  What carb do the omnivores eat that is better than fruits/vegetables? grains? beans?

Thanks to all who responded.

Joy, as regards to wrinkles and aging.  I wonder if you've lost any excess weight while eating paleo...  If so the weight/fat will also have come off of the face as well, and contribute to the skin showing existing wrinkles.  Many women and men as they age really look older in the face if they should lose weight.

No I have not lost any weight. I am a small woman and do not need to lose weight.
I do take in more calories while eating RP low-carb. But I like fruit and I miss fruit  while doing low-carb.

On that list, the dairy products have the most AGEs.

But I'm astonished that avocados have quite some (1577) . I suspect that avocados from South Africa and Israel are irradiated and I never buy them. It could perhaps be a reason for the presence of these AGEs in them.

As for raw cashews (2723), raw pumpkin seeds (1853) and raw sunflower seeds (2510)  I wonder if the ones tested were really raw because commercial ones are likely to have been heated, especially cashew nuts which are systematically hot (flame) shelled . Commercial olives (1670) are processed.

My guess is that these items have high AGEs because they contain a large amount of fat/oil.

While animal foods often have higher AGE content by mass, they're also far more calorie dense than plant foods. I wonder if you calculated AGE content for plant foods versus animal foods by bioavailable calorie if the difference would remain as stark?

A sensible suggestion. So I did the math.
AGE content is 13 ku in 100g of apples.
AGE content is 23340 ku  in 100g of butter.
AGE content is 10040 ku  in 100g of extra virgin olive oil.
AGE content is 1003 ku in 100g of  raw shrimps.
http://marshfieldceliac.weebly.com/uploads/2/5/5/7/2557865/ada_ages_in_food_reduction1.pdf

100g apple has 52 calories.
100g butter has 717 calories.
100g olive oil has 884 calories
100g shrimps have 106 calories
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fats-and-oils/509/2
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/finfish-and-shellfish-products/4172/2

Now let us raise all food items to 884 calories. And the result is:

100g olive oil has 884 calories and contains 10040 ku of AGE.
1700g apples has 884 calories and contains 221 ku of AGE.
 (approximately) 123g butter has 884 calories and contains 28780 ku of AGE.
(approximately) 834g shrimps have 884 calories and contain 8365 ku of AGE.

Now my math was done by a pencil and my brain, not by a calculater. So do not expect me to be exact. But one gets an idea from the result. There IS a stark difference.

And Geoff's comments are smart regarding whether the animal was raised on a healthy diet versus a diet that causes a system-wide inflammatory response (as with grain feeding ruminants), so I'm not sure how heavily to weight the animal food numbers noted above.

My guess is that the fruit/vegetables used in the research are also supermarket types, raised by unhealthful farming methods. So I think it is fair to compare their AGEs with the AGEs of animal products.

Now, for the fats perspective, I would recommend eating unprocessed fats only. Extracted oils, even when cold-extracted, are not a whole food. In addition, I would advise against following guidelines set by the US government and espoused by organizations such as the American Heart Association, the American Institute for Cancer  Research, and the American Diabetes Association. A full explanation of my reasoning can be found in the writings of Gary Taubes.

Quite a few people on this forum say cocaonut oil is good though.  I know coconut oil/cream is very stable even at high temperature.

What is the reason we should dismiss the advice of organizations such as the American Heart Association, the American Institute for Cancer  Research, and the American Diabetes Association? Their advice is based on scientific research.

joy are you properly hydrated? do you get enough trace minerals?  do you drink broth?  wrinkly forehead is more likely due to these factors and also that you are not getting enough saturated fats if you are sticking to vegan raw paleo.......try egg yolks, raw cream or butter, or raw cuts of fat from grassfed/patured animals if you can.  also try gelatin in your broth to add complimentary amino acids, dandelion root tea also helps with proper hydration.  i am certain you will see a huge improvement in your skin tone.

Jessica, I will take your advice about sauna (steambath is what I do), deep breathing, stretching, skin brush, egg yokes. I may not be properly hydrated since I went RP low-carb. (During my nearly-vegan days I did not have to worry about hydration of course, due to the large amount of fruit I took in.)
What broth do you drink? Isn't broth cooked?

Actually, tuna is increasingly farmed.

This could mean that there will be less competition for wild-caught tuna, right?

Our alimentary instinct limits the amount of fat we can eat and regulates it properly according to our individual and momentary needs. 

I am starting to think I should just go instincto and forget about all diet theories. But then there is the problem of overly sweet modern fruit which may induce overeating of fruit...

http://marshfieldceliac.weebly.com/uploads/2/5/5/7/2557865/ada_ages_in_food_reduction1.pdf

Many on this forum promote a high-fat diet. Is fat really good for health and anti-aging?

Any food item which contains some fat has an extremely high amount of AGEs. Fresh fruit and almost-fat-free vegetables (when not cooked with fat) contain very low AGEs.

Following is a sample of AGE contents in foods (KU per 100 grams) taken from the above website. From this sample it can be seen: Yes cooking increases AGEs, but food items containing some fat are the most AGE-rich food, even in their raw state.

Apple (AGE content is 13)
Avocado (1577)
Banana (9)
Cantaloupe (20)
Dates (60)
Carrots (10)
Celery (43)
Cucumber (31)
Olives (1670)
Onion (36)
Tomato (23)
Grilled vegetables (broccoli, carrots, celery) (226)
Raw beef (707)
Roast beef (6071)
Broiled beef steak (7479)
Raw pork chop (1188)
Pan fried pork chop (4752)
Raw lamb (826)
Broiled lamb leg (1218)
Raw chicken breast (769)
Chicken breast boiled with lemon (1123)
Deep fried chicken breast (9722)
Raw trout (783)
Raw shrimp (1003)
Salmon poached for 7 minutes (1801)
Poached eggs (90)

Omelet (olive oil, low heat) (339)
Butter (23340)
Parmesan cheese (16900)
Philadelphia cream cheese (10883)
Brie cheese (5597)
Mozzarella cheese (1677)
Raw cashews (2723)
Raw pumpkin seeds (1853)
Raw sunflower seeds (2510)
Broiled beef frankfurter (11270)
Mayonnaise (9400)
Potato chips (2883)
Extra virgin olive oil (10040)
Vinegar (40)
Bagel, small, Lender’s (133)
Bagel, large (107)
Biscuit (Mc Donald’sd) (1,470)
Bread, whole wheat, slice, toasted, slice, (Rockland Bakery) (137)
Croissant, butter (Starbucks, Seattle, WA) (1,113)
Roll, dinner, inside (23)
Roll, dinner, outside 77
Potato, white, boiled 25 min (17 )
Potato, white, roasted 45 min, with 5 mL oil/servingc (218)
Potato, white, french fries (McDonald’sd) (1,522)
Coconut cream, Coco Goya cream of coconut (Goya, Secaucus, NJ) (933)
Coconut milk, leche de coco, (Goya) (307)
Coconut, Baker’s Angel Flake, sweetened (Kraft) (590)
Shrimp, fried, breaded (take out) (4,328)
Shrimp, marinated rawb (1,003)
Shrimp, marinated, grilled on BBQb (2,089)
Tuna, broiled, with soy, 10 min (5,113)
Tuna, broiled, with vinegar dressing (5,150)
Tuna, fresh, baked, 25 min (919)
Tuna, loaf (chunk light in recipe), baked 40 min (590)
Tuna, canned, chunk light, w/water (452)
Tuna, canned, white, albacore, w/oil (1,740)


"The current dAGE database demonstrates that a significantly
reduced intake of dAGEs can be achieved by
increasing the consumption of fish, legumes, low-fat milk
products, vegetables, fruits, and whole grains and by
reducing intake of solid fats, fatty meats, full-fat dairy
products, and highly processed foods. These guidelines
are consistent with recommendations by organizations
such as the American Heart Association (42), the American
Institute for Cancer Research (43), and the American
Diabetes Association (44)." (taken from the above website)

A cousin of mine said she had thyroid problem from eating too much seasoned cooked purple laver sheets (which is often used to wrap sushi rolls). I don't know how much she ate. But she has been a slender woman who does not usually over eat.

Mostly, yes.   Some of the minerals in sand are absorbable, and will dissolve in your stomach acid, like calcium.  Most of said is just quartz, though, which passes through you unaffected.

So sand could even provide absorbable calcium? Good to know. Thanks.

Tyler, thanks.

The sand won't harm you.  You can swallow it.

Are you sure?

Thanks for the info.